Open Thread: Building a small market team
ByWe’ve talked about payroll a ton over the past few days, months, years. As fans of the Yankees, we’re used to spending what it takes, without any practical limits. However, there are 29 other teams in the league, many of which face payroll constraints.
Tonight, in the absence of baseball, we can pretend to be small market teams. Kinda. Here’s the exercise. You have $50 million to spend. You must fill 25 roster spots using 2008 salary data (which can be found at Cot’s). Ah, but it won’t be that simple. To ensure that you’re not just snagging quality young players who are making the league minimum, we’re going to put some service time restraints on the players you can choose. And what better model to pick than our very own New York Yankees?
For your nine starting position players, including DH, you can pick 1 player with 0-2 years of service time, 2 players with 3-5 years of service time, and 6 players with over six years of service time, hence free-agent eligible. That’s going to be tough. Service time can be found at Cot’s as well. Since we’re using 2008 salary data, we can use 2008 service time, too, so just use the number they’ve got there. If a player has 1.161 (1 year, 161 days) of service time, it counts as 1 year. If a player isn’t listed, he’s assumed to have no service time.
For starting pitchers, two can have 0-2 years, 1 can have 3-5 years, and 2 need to have 6 or more years. For the bullpen, it will be 2 with 0-2 years, 3 with 3-5 years, 2 with 6 or more.
On the bench, you’re free to do whatever. Restriction: it actually has to be a bench player. A reasonable guideline is fewer than 200 plate appearances in 2008. However, if a guy came up later in the year and started, you can’t use him.
Everything clear? All right. Let’s see what you’ve got.
damn joe this is a great friggin idea
Can you use any AAAA players? For example, can I take a chance on a guy like a Jorge Cantu(3 years), or a Ryan Ludwick(2 years) and hope for the best, or do those guys count as the 0-2 and 3-5 players?
It is exceedingly difficult to find players with 6 years of service time at certain positions that are either 1) any good or 2) at all affordable.
Word.
Not to mention, how we get them on ourside of the enemy lines.
What’s Frank Thomas’s official salary this year? He originally cost $8MM, but was released and now his salary is listed as $0.39MM(major league min.). He’d be a great deal at 0.39MM
It’s $8M. The Jays have to pay him his full contract even after releasing him.
boo
50 mill isnt too much lol damn
Joey Votto.
We loose abreu and giambi in all likely hood. we’re gonna need some lefty hitters. good power and a nice OBP, i love the guy. not to mention he just turned 25 and 09 is going to be year 3 for him so idk how that works with arbitration and all that, ill let someone else hit on that,.
Just a word of warning before I get to work on this… the teams posted here will be much better than any team you could realistically put together for $50million. We’re taking the best of the bunch here- the guys whose contracts worked out really well. Be aware of this before you start bragging about your team.
OK, after spending some time on this…this is, if not impossible, extremely, extremely difficult. You are asking for too many players with 6+ years of experience. 10 players with 6+ years experience…that’s basically $40M at least, right there. For 10 pretty poor players, on average. Very difficult to get any half decent player for less than $5M with that kind of service time. Hard to find many regulars at all less than $5M with that much service time.
Note that I am not saying this is impossible. Just that finding regulars with 6+ years and getting those 10 players alone under $50M itself is a task. These are going to be really bad teams.
Hey joe, how many wins do you want this team to project?
Idk if this is possible.. the 6 or more years is real tough
Now you see how foolish it is to play armchair GM.
I guess sometimes you just get luck with what ya’ got. Look at the rays and the marlins. The marlins totally dropped their payroll this past offseason and turned out to be a halfway decent team.
Neither the Rays or the Marlins would fit this model. Both have numerous players with less than 2 years of service time.
No but this is 50 mill this is less than the Padres have 50 mill is nothing and these are all restrictions.. its a really fun idea and im enjoying putting this team together but alot of restrictions it can be irritating lol
Damn good post! 27/09.
Where do i find the info on that site?
I just hired Ed Wade to help me. You all are toast!
(And if by calling anyone “toast” is offensive to any unroasted bread lover, I am truly, truly sorry. From the bottom of my heart, I apologize prufusely.)
or profusely
lol
No1 finished yet huh
Why did u take down ur roster mike?
Forgot to make a change, it’s back up now.
I had two position players with 0-2 yrs of service time, had to sub someone in.
Mike A’s team killed it
C: Joe Mauer, $6.25M, 4 yrs
1B: Doug Mientkiewicz, $750k, 8 yrs
2B: Ronnie Belliard, $1.2M, 8 yrs
3B: Pedro Feliz, $3M, 7 yrs
SS: Hanley Ramirez, $439k, 2 yrs
OF: Mike Cameron, $5M, 11 yrs
OF: Grady Sizemore, $3M, 3 yrs
OF: Raul Ibanez, $5.5M, 10 yrs
DH: Milton Bradley, $5.25M, 6 yrs
SP: Jamie Moyer, $3.5M, 19 yrs
SP: Tim Wakefield, $4M, 14
SP: Scott Kazmir, $3.785M, 3 yrs
SP: Tim Lincecum, $405k, 0 yrs
SP: Chad Billingsley, $415k, 1 yr
RP: Chan Ho Park, $500k, 11 yrs
RP: Keith Foulke, $700k, 9 yrs
RP:
Justin Duchscherer, $1.2M, 4 yrsMatt Guerrier, $950k, 3 yrsRP: Jesse Crain, $1.05M, 3 yrs
RP: Grant Balfour, $500k, 3 yrs
RP: Joba Chamberlain, $390k, 1 yr
RP: Jonathan Broxton, $454k, 2 yrs
BN:
Gabe Kapler, OF, $800k, 7 yrsBrian Barton, OF, $390k, 0 yrsBN:
Eric Hinske, OF/1B/3B, $800k, 6 yrsRyan Raburn, IF/OF, $396k, 0 yrsBN:
Clint Barmes, 2B/SS, $405k, 2 yrsBrandon Fahey, IF/OF, $390k, 1 yrBN: Miguel Montero, C, $400k, 1 yr
Total payroll:
$49,693,000$48,618,000See you fools in October.
clint barmes was pretty much a starter, and duke was a SP
I’m stuck, I can’t do any better. I didn’t see the ~200 plate appearances limit on bench guys, and all those guys are over that.
Best I can do. A for effort.
There, fixed. Now all the bench guys had ~200 plate appearances, and I replace Duchscherer with a guy that was in the pen full-time. Heck, I even lowered payroll, so I can make a deadline acquisition if need be.
Man your with Steve Philips..Joba the 8th inning guy
That’s quite some team. I am going to find it hard to not just copy that team now.
Pretty good team,
Mike Cameron made an extra $750 k in performance bonuses. Your total is now $50,443,000.
Mike A. = Cheater.
That’s it, you’re getting banned. Jerk.
Don’t sign these guys with performance clauses. The ghost of Ed Wade told me to tell on you.
I think my team can take you down…check it out and let me know
My rotation > your rotation
shit i found guerrier and didnt think anybody would have him now it looks like I copied, i was literally just going through cots looking for people to fit the bill
For fun, my lineup:
1. Mauer, C
2. Hanley, SS
3. Sizemore, CF
4. Bradley, DH
5. Ibanez, LF
6. Cameron, RF
7. Belliard, 2B
8. Feliz, 3B
9. Meintkiewicz, 1B
What abouy minor leaguers? what are the salary amounts?
Travis Hafner having surgery on his shoulder.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=4752
Maybe that explains what’s been going on with him for the last 2 years. Its absolutely amazing to see a guy who had one of the top VORPs in Baseball in 2004-2006 go completely kalblooey like he has. Its like he forgot how to hit all of a sudden.
OK, I gotta go eat dinner, but this is what I have so far. It is 50.1565M, with no bench players. At this point I would probably ditch Vlad for a dirt cheap veteran but I don’t have time. Dinner awaits.
Sorry for the poor formatting.
0-2 years: SS, Hanley Ramirez ($440k)
3-5 years: C, Yadier Molina ($1.75M), 3b, Cantu ($0.5M)
6+ years:
2b, DeRosa ($4.75M)
1b, Sean Casey ($0.8M) (or if you go by 08 stats, Belliard $1.6M)
LF, Ibanez ($5.5M)
CF, Cameron ($5M)
RF, Vladdy ($14.5M)
DH, Tatis ($0.56M)
$33.8M, offense
0-2 years: Joba ($0.39M), Lincecum ($0.405M) (could also sub in Hamels at $0.5M)
3-5 years: Greinke ($1.4M)
6+ years:
SP, Lohse ($4.25M)
SP, Moyer ($3.5M)
$9.945M, starters
$43.745M without relievers
0-2 years: Ziegler (ML minimum 200k?), Soria (.4265M) (or Marmol for 0.43M)
3-5 years:
1. Balfour (0.5M)
2. Madson (1.4M)
3. Grabow (1.135M)
6+ years:
1. Darren Oliver (1.75M)
2. Dennys Reyes (1M)
Relievers: $6.4115
$50.1565M
Mike, your team is better than mine. I was rushing and counted Duch and Joba as starters, and each OF position as they should be, but even with time and taking those shortcuts I don’t think I would have finished that well. Grady would have been good for the 3 year selection.
Duchscherer’s been a reliever his entire MLB career until this year, so I went with him a reliever.
Oliver is actually making 2M
You didn’t count Grienke’s social anxiety medication, what low blow?
I’ve been perusing that Cot’s page, and I can’t seem to find year by year salaries. I could divide the total salary by years, of course, but the contracts aren’t always divvied up like that are they? Don’t certain players get paid more on the front or back ends of their deals?
Also, for any player that had an incentive-laden contract, do we have to take into account whether or not they met the goal and factor in the bonus received?
This post might belie my ignorance, but I’ve been a mostly emotional Yankee-centric fan and haven’t poked around in these sorts of waters. Seems fun though, any help appreciated
Under each player’s name, it should have a year-by-year breakdown. The bottom line is service time.
Yup, thanks for explaining the obvious w/o violating your own TOS
Alls I had to do was open my eyes…
Here’s my team
A-Rod and the SWB Yankees.
30 mil+24 guys at the major league minimum=40-42 mil.
Maybe I can go get 2 decent FA middle relievers with what I have left.
This is my team:
C-Ramon Castro(6+) $1.85MM
1B-Xavier Nady(3-5) $3.35MM
2B-Ian Kinsler(0-2) $0.5MM
3B-Fernando Tatis(6+) $0.56MM
SS-Micheal Young(6+) $4MM
LF-Grady Sizemore (3-5) $3MM
CF-Vernon Wells(6+) $0.5MM
RF-Jason Micheals(6+) $2.15MM
DH-Raul Ibanez(6+) $5.5MM
=$21.41MM
SP-Tim Lincecum(0-2) $0.405MM
SP-Scott Kazmir(3-5) $3.785MM
SP-Joba Chamberlain(0-2) $0.39MM
SP-Kyle Lohse(6+) $4.25MM
SP-Jamie Moyer(6+) $3.5MM
=$12.33MM
CL-Jose Arredondo(0-2) $0.39MM
LSU-Joe Beimel(3-5) $1.925MM
RSU-Brandon Morrow(0-2) $0.38MM
RP-J.J. Putz(3-5) $3.4MM
RP-John Grabow(3-5) $1.135
RP-Keith Foulke(6+) $0.7MM
Swingman-Chan Ho Park(6+) $0.5MM
=$8.43MM
Bench
SS-John McDonald(6+) $1.9MM
c- Chad Moeller(doesn’t say)-I’ll give him $1MM
OF-Endy Chavez $1.8MM
Util-Chris Gomez $1MM
=$5.7MM
=$47.87MM(Plenty of room to spare, I just don’t feel like putting more time into it)
This is pretty tough. I’ll put a team after homework.
With batting order!
CF Sizemore 3yr 3m
SS Han-Ram 2yr .429M
3B David Wright 3yr 5M
RF Milton Bradely 6 yr 5.25M
LF Kevin Millar 9yr 2.74M
1B Sean Casey 9yr .800M
DH Tatis 6yr .560M
C Bengie Molina 8yr 6M
2b Jerry Hariston Jr. 7yr .500M
Rotation:
Lincecum 0yr .4M
Joba 0yr .390M
Cliff Lee 4yr 3.75M
Dempster 9yr 5.5M
Moyer 3.5M
Pen:
Paple-boner 2 .775
Street 3 3
Broxton 2 .454
Balfour 3 .5
Park
Foulke
Ducscher
Bench
Gathwright
McPherson
Treanor
Andy Philips
Tony Gwynn Jr.
47M, redic Rotation
Redic rotation ( i got tired of writing the salaries
delete this, i redid it below so it looks pretty
C Bengie Molina (6+) 6M
1B Sean Casey (6+) 800k
2B Harriston Jr (6+) 500K
3B David Wright (3-5) 5M
SS Han -Ram (0-2) 439K
LF Kevin Millar (6+) 2.74M
RF Milton Bradley (6+) 5.25M
CF Grady Sizemore (3-5) 3M
DH Tatis (6+) 560K
SP Lincecum (0-2) 405k
SP Dempster (6+) 5.5M
SP Joba (0-2) 390K
SP Cliff Lee (3-5) 3.75M
SP Kyle Loshe (6+) 4.25M
CL Paple-Boner (0-2) 775L
RP Park (6+) 500K
RP Foulke (6+) 700K
RP Douscherer (3-5) 1.2M
RP Balfour (3-5) 500K
RP Street (3-5) 3M
RP Broxton (0-2) 450K
Bench Gathwright 400K
Dallas McPherson 425K
Treanor 705K
Andy Philips 440K
Gwynn Jr 397K
48M….priceless for a World Title!
Paps
Balfour
Street
Broxton
lights out
I think mine stacks up pretty well with Mike’s…. (I made this team after like 10 comments were made on the thread, so if I’m stealing a player from someone, it’s a coincidence)
C: Ramon Castro ($1.85) (6+ years)
1B: Kevin Millar (2.75) (6+)
2B: Mark DeRosa ($4.75) (6+)
SS: Damion Easley ($.95) (6+)
3B: David Wright ($5) (3-5)
OF: Carlos Quentin (.4) (0-2)
OF: Rick Ankiel (.9) (3-5)
OF: Raul Ibanez (5.5) (6+)
DH: Milton Bradley (5.25) (6+)
SP: Tim Lincecum ($.41) (0-2)
SP: Chad Billingsley (.42) (0-2)
SP:Cliff Lee (3.75) (3-5)
SP: Jamie Moyer (3.5) (6+)
SP: Kyle Lohse (4.25) (6+)
CL: Jon Papelbon ($.775) (0-2)
RP: Joakim Soria (.43) (0-2)
RP: Matt Thornton (.875) (3-5)
RP: Keith Foulke (.7) (6+)
RP: Scott Strickland (.4) (6+)
RP: Grant Balfour (.5) (3-5)
RP: Dan Wheeler (2.8) (3-5)
Bench OF: Melky Cabrera ($.46) (hahahahah)
Bench C: Jason Larue (.85)
Bench OF: Justin Christian (.4)
Bench IF: Cody Ransom (.4)
Total Salary: $48.67 Million
Sick team with room to spare. I got a little lazy when it came to the bench, but I don’t think it’s too bad. BTW, Cliff Lee for $3.75M?!
Just for kicks, my line-up would look like this:
1-Mark DeRosa
2- Raul Ibanez
3-Milton Bradley
4-David Wright
5- Carlos Quentin
6- Rick Ankiel
7- Damion Easley
8- Kevin Millar
9- Ramon Castro
…Jeez
After like an hour of work I finally finished, I hope that now there aren’t a bunch of teams matching mine as I didn’t look through this before making my team but I’m sure I have some 0-2s in common with everyone else. Here it is:
C: Brian McCann $.8Mil 2yrs
1b: Albert Pujols $16mil 7yrs
2b Mark Derosa $4.75mil 7yrs
3b David Wright $5mil 3yrs
SS Jerry Hairston Jr $.5mil 7rs
LF Erik Hinske $.8mil 6yrs
CF Vernon Wells $.5mil 6yrs
RF Alex Rios $.735mil 3yrs
DH Milton Bradley $5.25mil 6yrs
SP Tim Lincecum $.405mil 0yrs
SP Joba Chamberlain $.39mil 0yrs
SP Dan Haren $4mil 3yrs
SP Freddy Garcia $.39mil 9yrs
SP Bartolo Colon $1.25mil 10yrs
RP Carlos Marmol $.43mil 1yr
RP Joakim Soria $.4265mil 1yr
RP Grant Balfour $.5mil 3yrs
RP Frank Francisco $.775mil 3yrs
RP Ryan Madsen $1.4mil 4yrs
RP Darren oliver $1.75mil 12yrs
RP Ray King $.87mil 7yrs
Bench- Mike DiFelice $.56mil 8yrs
Bench- Alberto Gonzalez $.39mil 0yrs
Bench- Brett Gardner $.39mil 0yrs
Bench- Ronny Cedeno $.4mil 1yr
What do you all think? Seems like a very good team to me.
Sorry, Total $ = $48.6615 Million
Lots of similarities between our teams.
V. Wells makes way more money
My bad your right… good show
not THIS YEAR he doesn’t. While his contract is an albatross, this year’s very manageable.
Yeah i checked my bad
How funny would it be if some small market GM saw these lists and thought “hey, that’s a good idea”?
I’d come up with one of my own, but alas, I don’t have time.
Some of these rotations are playoff caliber.
We should have some kind of poll to decide the winner (who made the best team).
agreed
Thirded.
If possible someone should throw the teams into some sort of simulation and see which team comes out on top.
I was thinking of doing that. But then I realized that I already spent an hour and a half just making the damn thing, and suggested we just vote on it.
C – Gregg Zaun – $3.75M – 12 years
1B – Wes Helms – $950K – 8 years
2B – Mark DeRosa – $4.75 – 7 years
3B – David Wright – $5M – 3 years
SS – Michael Young – $4M – 6 years
LF – Ryan Braun, $745K – 0 years
CF – Grady Sizemore – $3M – 3 years
RF – Fernando Tatis – $560K – 6 years
DH – Frank Catalanotto – $4M – 9 years
SP – Joba Chamberlain – $390K – 0 years
SP – Odalis Perez – $850K – 9 years
SP – Tim Lincecum – $405K – 0 years
SP – Dan Haren – $4M – 3 years
SP – CC Sabathia – $8M – 7 years
RP – Dennys Reyes – $1M – 9 years
RP – Jon Broxton – $454K – 2 years
RP – Joakim Soria – $427K – 1 year
RP – Darren Oliver – $2M – 12 years
RP – Rafael Soriano – $2.4M – 5 years
RP – Frank Francisco – $775K – 3 years
RP – Grant Balfour – $500K – 3 years
BN – Willy Aybar – $401K
BN – Damion Easley – $950K
BN – Mike Redmond – $950K
BN – Melky Cabrera – $460K
Total: $49.717M
great minds think alike, CC makes your rotation a nice step above mine though. I’ll take my lineup though
C: Jose Molina, $2M, 6.026 yrs
1B: Kevin Millar, $2.75M, 9.136 yrs
2B: Mark Loretta, $2.75M, 12.011 yrs
3B: Jorge Cantu, $0.5M, 3.036 yrs
SS: Alex Cora, $2M, 8.161 yrs
OF: Carl Crawford, $3.8125M, 5.072 yrs
OF: BJ Upton, $0.4121M, 1.126 yrs
OF: Darin Erstad, $1M, 11.077 yrs
DH: Matt Stairs, $1.625M, 12.077 yrs
SP: C C Sabathia, $8.875M, 7 yrs
SP: Cole Hamels, $0.5M, 1.143 yrs
SP: Ervin Santana, $0.4M, 1 yrs
SP: Jorge De La Rosa, $1.025M, 3.034 yrs
SP: Odalis Perez, $0.85M, 9.027 yr
CL: Jonathan Papelbon, $0.775M, 2.064 yrs
SU: Brad Lidge, $6.35, 5.043 yrs
MR: Damaso Marte, $2.35M, 6.122 yrs
MR: Joba Chamberlain, $0.39M, .055 yrs
MR: Scott Sheilds, $4.86M, 5.146 yrs
MR: Eddie Guardado, $2M, 13.141 yr
LR: Brandon Backe, $0.8M, 4.088 yrs
BN: Chris Gomez, OF, $1M, 14.041 yrs
BN: Kevin Cash, C, $0.4M, 1.082 yrs
BN: Andy Philips, IF, $0.44M, 2.055 yrs
BN: Scott podsednik, OF, $0.75M, 5.050 yr
Total payroll: $48,614,600
C: Jose Molina, $2M, 6.026 yrs
1B: Kevin Millar, $2.75M, 9.136 yrs
2B: Mark Loretta, $2.75M, 12.011 yrs
3B: Jorge Cantu, $0.5M, 3.036 yrs
SS: Alex Cora, $2M, 8.161 yrs
OF: Carl Crawford, $3.8125M, 5.072 yrs
OF: BJ Upton, $0.4121M, 1.126 yrs
OF: Vernon Wells $0.5M 6yrs
DH: Matt Stairs, $1.625M, 12.077 yrs
SP: C C Sabathia, $8.875M, 7 yrs
SP: Cole Hamels, $0.5M, 1.143 yrs
SP: Ervin Santana, $0.4M, 1 yrs
SP: Jorge De La Rosa, $1.025M, 3.034 yrs
SP: Odalis Perez, $0.85M, 9.027 yr
CL: Jonathan Papelbon, $0.775M, 2.064 yrs
SU: Brad Lidge, $6.35, 5.043 yrs
MR: Damaso Marte, $2.35M, 6.122 yrs
MR: Joba Chamberlain, $0.39M, .055 yrs
MR: Scott Sheilds, $4.86M, 5.146 yrs
MR: Eddie Guardado, $2M, 13.141 yr
LR: Brandon Backe, $0.8M, 4.088 yrs
BN: Chris Gomez, OF, $1M, 14.041 yrs
BN: Kevin Cash, C, $0.4M, 1.082 yrs
BN: Andy Philips, IF, $0.44M, 2.055 yrs
BN: Scott podsednik, OF, $0.75M, 5.050 yr
Total payroll: $48,614,600
***Added a little more pop
ugh this took waay longer than I thought and was pretty hard, mite be a mistake or two but oh well
C- Martin 500k (2 yr)
1B- S. Casey 800k (9 yrs)
2B- M. Young 4 mil (6 yrs+)
SS-H. Ramirez 440k (3 yrs)
3B-M. Mora 7.8mil (8 yrs)
LF- Tatis 560k (6 yrs+)
CF-B Upton 412k (3 yrs)
RF- M Bradley 5.28 mil (8 yrs)
DH-A Huff 8 mil (7 yrs)
Bench
Ransom 450k
Gathright 427k
A. Gonzalez 400k
J. Christian 400k
SP- Peavy 6 mil (5 yrs)
SP- Lester 471k (1 yr)
SP- Lincecum 405K (1yr)
SP-Wakefield 4mil (14yr)
SP-Lohse 4.25 mil (6yr)
RP- Chamberlain 390K (1yr)
RP- Marmol 430k (1yr)
RP- Sturtze 750k (8 yrs)
RP- Y. Brazoban 540k (3 yrs)
RP- D. Marte 2 mil(6+ yrs)
RP- M. Guerrier .950k (3 rs)
RP- J Grabow 1.13mil (4 yrs)
Total Salary $49.457 mil
I don’t want to nitpick, but hanley has less than 2 years of service. As do Martin and Upton. You gotta redo something there. Sorry
Hmm those fuckers at espn have different numbers. This is hanley’s third full year in ML so he can be 3-5. ug i dont feel like changing it I FORFEIT the 1 million dollar prize
ahh i see espn just rounded up. THANKS WWL
Well, this was fucking difficult (albeit extremely fun):
C- Bengie Molina ($6M) (8-YRS)
1B- Sean Casey ($0.8M) (9-YRS)
2B- Placido Polanco ($4.6M) (9-YRS)
3B- Kevin Youkilis ($3M) (3-YRS)
SS- Hanley Ramirez ($0.439M) (2-YRS)
LF- Luis Gonzalez ($2M) (17-YRS)
CF- Grady Sizemore ($3M) (3-YRS)
RF- Mike Cameron ($5M) (11-YRS)
DH- Milton Bradley ($5.25M) (6-YRS)
SP- Tim Linceum ($0.405M) (1-YRS)
SP- Felix Hernandez ($0.540M) (2-YRS)
SP- Jamie Moyer ($3.5M) (19)
SP- Tim Wakefield ($4M) (14)
SP- Justin Duchscherer ($1.2M) (4)
CP- Joba Chamberlain ($0.390M) (1-YRS)
RP- Joakim Soria ($0.4265M) (1-YRS)
RP- Will Ohman ($1.6M) (5-YRS)
RP- Keith Foulke ($0.7M) (9-YRS)
RP- Chad Durbin ($0.9M) (3-YRS)
RP- Ryan Madson ($1.4M) (4-YRS)
RP- Rudy Seanez ($0.55M) (12-YRS)
(SS)- Ramon Santiago (0.575) (BN)
(OF/IF)- Willie Bloomquist (1.825) (BN)
(OF/1B)- Greg Norton (1) (BN)
(C)- Mike Rivera (0.395) (BN)
Total payroll = $49,495,500
Changes in bold:
C- Bengie Molina ($6M) (8-YRS)
1B- Sean Casey ($0.8M) (9-YRS)
2B- Placido Polanco ($4.6M) (9-YRS)
3B- Kevin Youkilis ($3M) (3-YRS)
SS- Hanley Ramirez ($0.439M) (2-YRS)
LF- Vernon Wells ($0.5M) (6-YRS)
CF- Grady Sizemore ($3M) (3-YRS)
RF- Mike Cameron ($5M) (11-YRS)
DH- Milton Bradley ($5.25M) (6-YRS)
SP- Tim Linceum ($0.405M) (1-YRS)
SP- Felix Hernandez ($0.540M) (2-YRS)
SP- Jamie Moyer ($3.5M) (19)
SP- Tim Wakefield ($4M) (14)
SP- Cliff Lee ($3.75M) (4)
CP- Joba Chamberlain ($0.390M) (1-YRS)
RP- Joakim Soria ($0.4265M) (1-YRS)
RP- Grant Balfour ($0.5M) (3-YRS)
RP- Keith Foulke ($0.7M) (9-YRS)
RP- Chad Durbin ($0.9M) (3-YRS)
RP- Ryan Madson ($1.4M) (4-YRS)
RP- Rudy Seanez ($0.55M) (12-YRS)
(SS)- Ramon Santiago ($0.575M) (BN)
(IF)- Willy Aybar ($0.4012M) (BN)
(OF/1B)- Greg Norton ($1M) (BN)
(C)- Mike Rivera ($0.395M) (BN)
Total payroll = $49,021,700
Jamal my man, check out Vernon Wells’ contract.
look at the signing bonus.
i’d call his 08 salary $9M
Signing bonuses don’t count against team payrolls. That’s how NFL teams are able to wiggle their way through a salary cap.
This isn’t a salary cap, its how much ownership will spend, and its part of the very odd Vernon Wells deal, else he wouldn’t take the 500K this year
The lineup:
1. Placido Polanco
2. Grady Sizemore
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Kevin Youkilis
5. Milton Bradley
6. Vernon Wells
7. Sean Casey
8. Mike Cameron
9. Bengie Molina
The rotation:
1. Tim Lincecum
2. Felix Hernandez
3. Cliff Lee
4. Jamie Moyer
5. Tim Wakefield
C: Benji Molina, $6.00M, (6+ Yrs)
1B: Doug Mientkiewicz, $750K, (6+ Yrs)
2B: Placido Polanco, $4.60M, (6+ Yrs)
SS: Hanley Ramirez, $439K, (0-2 Yrs)
3B: David Wright, $5.00M, (3-5 Yrs)
LF: Gabe Kapler, 800K, (6+ Yrs)
CF: Grady Sizemore, $3.00M (3-5 Yrs)
RF: Milton Bradley, $5.25M (6+ Yrs)
DH: Frank Thomas, $390K (6+ Yrs)
SP: Joba Chamberlain, $390K, (0-2 Yrs)
SP: Tim Lincecum, $405K, (0-2 Yrs)
SP: Cliff Lee, $3.75M, (3-5 Yrs)
SP: Ryan Dempster, $5.50M (6+ Yrs)
SP: Jamie Moyer, $3.50M, (6+ Yrs)
RP: Joakim Soria, $426K, (0-2 Yrs)
RP: Jonathan Papelbon, $775K, (0-2 Yrs)
RP: Grant Balfour, $500K, (3-5 Yrs)
RP: Ray King, $870K, (6+ Yrs)
RP: Darren Oliver, $1.75 M, (6+ Yrs)
RP: Chan-Ho Park, $500K, (6+ YrsO
BN: Miguel Montero, $400K
BN: Tony Clark, $900K
BN: Willy Aybar, $401K
BN: Daryle Ward, $1.20M
BN: Brett Gardner, $450K
Grand Total = $47,946,700
Lets hear some comments
Frank Thomas is 8M outline above in one of the early comments
I tried the Big Hurt before
Why does everyone keep making a 7-man bullpen and 5 man bench? One of those is too many
that was the outline
no. the outline says a 7-man bullpen, it never says how many bench players there are, but the starting lineup(9), rotation(5), bullpen(7), equals 21.
It does say to make a 25 man roster… and 5 bench is too much
I figured this would be a good time for my first post…and this was a lot of fun…
Do I get extra credit for getting it under $43M? (if my figures are correct…)
Lineup:
SS Jose Reyes (4M)
CF Grady Sizemore (3M)
1B Prince Fielder (.67M)
LF Raul Ibanez (5.5M)
3B Pedro Feliz (3M),
DH Matt Stairs (2.25M)
RF Darin Erstad (1M)
2B Geoff Blum (1.1M)
C Jose Molina (1.75M)
Bench:
Reggie Willits (.4), Jarrod Saltimaccia (.4), Nelson Cruz (.4), Brendan Ryan (.4)
Rotation
Roy Halladay (10M),
Tim Lincecum (.4M)
Cole Hamels (.5M)
Zack Greinke (1.4M)
Brian Moehler (.5M)
Bullpen
CL– Joakim Soria (.4M)
SU- Bobby Jenks (.55M)
Grant Balfour (.5)
Seth McClung (.75)
Jon Rauch (1.2)
Jorge Julio (1)
Darren Oliver (2)
Total: $42.57M
i dont know about that pen and geoff blum.
Make like the yanks and throw some money around.
Blum did have 53 RBI in 325 AB…
also, I’m leaving money to acquire various Royals, Pirates and Orioles at the trading deadline…
pos name salary Service Time
C Bengie Molina 4,000,000 8
1b Kevin Youkalis 3,000,000 3
2b Placido Polanco 4,600,000 9
3b Evan Longoria 500,000 0
Ss Michael Young 4,000,000 6
Lf Grady Sizemore 3,000,000 3
Cf Vernon Wells 500,000 9
Rf Raul Ibanez 5,500,000 10
dh Milton Bradley 5,250,000 6
SP1 Joba Chamberlain 390,000 0
SP2 Tim Lincecum 405,000 0
SP3 Ryan Dempster 5,500,000 9
SP4 Justin Duchscherer 1,200,000 4
SP5 Randy Wolf 4,750,000 8
R1 Jonathan Broxton 454,000 2
R2 Grant Balfour 500,000 3
R3 Jose Arredondo 390,000 0
R4 Arthur Rhodes 390,000 15
R5 Matt Thornton 875,000 3
R6 Brendan Donnelly 750,000 5
R7 Glenden Rusch 850,000 9
BN1 Will Nieves 400,000 1
Bn2 Tony Clark 900,000 11
BN3 Brett Gardner 390,000 0
bn4 Kendry Morales 500,000 2
Total: 48,994,000
Bengie Molina is making 6M i believe
Kendry Morales was nice pick-up
Some of the names are very obvious (Lincecum, Milton Bradley, etc.), but there’s a lot of copy-catting going on….
ok so………
personally, i tried to get mine in as quickly as possible, to avoid this and it cost me. if i had a chance to go over it again, i’d replace kazmir with cliff lee, and also spend my leftover money
Yeah, but there’s some bargains too good to pass up. Joba, Lincecum, Sizemore, Balfour…
wake
Yeah, Jamie Moyer and Grady Sizemore are the biggest bargains, in my opinion. You talking about a guy that costs $3.5M, has six-plus years of service time, posted an 120-OPS+ and a 2.92-ERA in 104.2-IP away from Citizen’s Bank (Moyer). That’s quite invaluable.
Then Sizemore gives you a Center Fielder with the second highest VORP in the American League, and he fills only %50 of a quota at $3M.
posted an 120-OPS+
Edit: posted an 120-ERA+
Ryan Dempster at 5.5M is a pretty amazing bargain
SS – Hanley 0.439
2B – Polanco 4.6
3B – Wright 5
1B – Millar 2.75
DH – Bradley 5.25
C – J.Molina 1.75
LF – E. Hinske 0.8
CF – Sizemore 3
RF – Tatis 0.56
Joba- 0.39
Lincecum- 0.405
Greinke- 1.4
Lohse- 4.25
Wakefield- 4
Papelbon- 0.775
Soria- 0.4265
Beimel- 1.925
Putz- 3.4
Balfour- 0.5
Oliver- 2
Wood- 4.2
that leaves 2.2M for the bench, which i am too lazy to do.
DH Frank Thomas 0.39- 17 years
C Rod Barajas 0.4- 7 years
OF Vernon Wells 0.5- 7 years
OF Jerry Hairston Jr. 0.5- 7 years
SS David Eckstein 4.5- 7 years
INF Rich Aurilia 4.5- 12 years
2B Brandon Phillips 2.75- 3 years
3B David Wright 5- 3 years
OF Ryan Braun 0.455- 0 years
SP C.C. Sabathia 9- 7 years
SP Joba Chamberlain 0.39- 0 years
SP Ryan Dempster 5.5- 9 years
SP Justin Duchscherer 1.2- 4 years
SP Tim Lincecum 0.405- 0 years
RP Jonathon Papelbon 0.775- 2 years
RP Huston Street 3- 3 years
RP Carlos Marmol 0.43- 1 year
RP Ryan Madson 1.4- 4 years
RP Grant Balfour 0.5- 3 years
RP Salamon Torres 3.2- 7 years
RP Darren Oliver 1.75- 12 years
BN Brett Gardner 0.39- 0 years
BN Dallas McPherson 0.425- 2 years
BN Melky Cabrera 0.4612- 1 year
BN Chad Moeller 0.7- 5 years
Total of 48.52 mil
Sorry about the bad layout.
Read Moneyball to see how its done
Except the A’s didn’t set limits on the amount of players you could have in each range of service time.
And if you ever paid attention, you’d know how Joe Morgan proved that Moneyball started the Cold War.
they generally use way less kids then we were allowed for this exercise
C Brian McCann $0.8M, (2.117)
1B kevin millar $2.75M (9.136)
2B Ronnie Belliard $1.6M (8.162)
3B David Wright $5M (3.075)
SS- Jimmy Rollins $7M (7.015)
LF Cliff Floyd $2.75M (13.170)
CF Rick Ankiel $0.9M (4.033)
RF Luis Gonzalez $2M (17.032)
DH Placido Polanco $4.6M (9.064)
SP (0-2) Tim Lincecum $0.405M (0.148 years)
SP (0-2) Joba $0.39M (0.055 years)
SP (3-5) Justin Duchscherer $1.2M (4.051 years)
SP (6+) Jamie Moyer $3.5M
SP (6+) Tim Wakefield $4.00M
RP (0-2) Joakim Soria $0.4265M (1.000 years)
RP(0-2) Bobby Jenks $0.55M (2.090)
RP(3-5) Matt Thorton $0.875M (3.129)
RP(3-5) Chad Durbin $0.9M (3.102)
RP(3-5) Scott Downs $2.25M (5.121)
RP(6+) Chan Ho Park $0.5M (11.050)
RP(6+) Darren Oliver $2M (12.127)
B Frank Thomas $0.39M
B Cody Ransom
B Wison Betemit $1.165M
B Shelley Duncan $0.3983M
B Chad Moeller
1B-Pujols–16m–6yrs
2B-Belliard–1.6m–6yrs
3B-Doug Mientkiewicz–750k–6yrs
SS-Reyes–4.4m–3-5yrs
OF-Tatis-560k–6yrs
OF-BJ Upton-454k–0-2yrs
OF-Vernon Wells–3.7m–6yrs
C-Jose Molina–2m–6yrs
DH-Prince–670k–3-5yrs
SP-Peavy–6.5m–6yrs
SP-Lincecum–405k–0-2yrs
SP-Kazmir–3.78m–3-5yrs
SP-Cliff Lee–4m–6yrs
SP-King Felix–540k–3-5
BP-Dennys Reyes–1m–6yrs
BP-Arthur Rhodes–1m–6yrs
BP-Joakim Soria–454k–0-2yrs
BP-Joba–390k–0-2yrs
CL-Jenks–555k–3-5yrs
Bench
Brian Anderson-395k
Brett Gardner-390k
Jarrod Saltalamacchia-396k
Mike Fontenot-405k
total was 49,740,000
Name Position Years Salary
1. Willy Taveras CF 3 1.975
2. A.J. Pierzynski C 7 5.85
3. Placido Polanco 2B 9 4.6
4. Milton Bradley DH 6 5.25
5. Jorge Cantu 3B 3 0.5
6. Andre Either RF 1 0.424
7. Cesar Izturis SS 7 2.85
8. Sean Casey 1B 9 0.8
9. Darin Erstad LF 11 1
Bench
Mike Redmond C 9 0.95
Augie Ojeda IF 5 0.55
Ronny Cedeno IF 2 0.407
Scott Podsednik OF 5 0.75
Rotation
Roy Halladay Starter 8 10
Cliff Lee Starter 4 3.75
Jon Lester Starter 1 0.4215
Tim Lincecum Starter 0 0.405
Odalis Perez Starter 9 0.85
Bullpen
J.C. Romero LHP 7 3
Will Ohman LHP 5 1.6
Dennys Reyes LHP 14 1
Matt Thornton RHP 3 0.875
Grant Balfour RHP 3 0.5
Carlos Marmol RHP 1 0.43
Jon Papelbon CP 2 0.775
$49.4225 million Payroll
1B-Doug Mientkiewicz–750k–6yrs
2B-Ronnie Belliard–1.6m–6yrs
3B-Jorge Cantu-500k–6yrs
SS-Hanley Ramirez-439k-0-2yrs
OF-Fernando Tatis-560k–6yrs
OF-Carl Crawford-5.5m-3-5yrs
OF-Vernon Wells–3.7m–6yrs
C-Cris Snyder-1.85m-3-5yrs
DH-Sean Casey-800k-6yrs
SP-Roy Halladay-10.125m–6yrs
SP-Tim Lincecum–405k–0-2yrs
SP-Scott Kazmir–3.78m–3-5yrs
SP-Kyle Lohse-4.5m-6yrs
SP-Scott Baker-422k-0-2yrs
BP-Sott Linebrink-4m–6yrs
BP-Chan Ho Park-500k–6yrs
BP-JJonathan Papelbon-800k–0-2yrs
BP-Joba Chamberlain–390k–0-2yrs
BP-Bobby Jenks–555k–3-5yrs
BP-Grant Balfour-500k-3-5yrs
BP-Matt Thornton-875k-3-5yrs
Bench
Mike Remond-950k
Brett Gardner-390k
Wilson Betemit- 1.165m
Ryan Theriot-428k
Total:U$45.484 million
BP
0-2
Jonathan Papelbon
775,000
Joakim Soria 426,500
3-5
Grant Balfour 500,000
George Sherrill 900,000
Heath Bell 420,000
6+
Chad Durbin 900,000 8 years
Arthur Rhodes 1 million
Sp
Cliff Lee 4 million 6 years
Tim Lincecum 405$
Jake Peavy 6 million 6 year
Scott Kazmir 4 years 3,785,000
Jamie Shields a million
BP+SP= 19,211,100
Starting 9
First Base Carlos Pena Seven Years 6 million
Second Base Brian Roberts 6.3mil 7 years
Short Stop Hanley Ramirez two years of service .439m
Third Base Figgins 4,750
Catcher Jason Kendall 4,250,000 6 years plus
OF
Grady Sizemore 3 million 3 years
Curtis Granderson
1 million 4 years
Vernon Wells .5 million plus 6
DH
Hinske 6 years 800,000
Bench
Raja Davis OF 392,500
Chris Iannetta C 396,000
Emmanuel Burriss SS/2B 400,000
Dallas Mcpherson 1B/3B 425,000
Bench
1,221,392
BP+SP= 19,211,100
Got tired of looking at my calculator
I have about 2 million to play with
But i most surely have the best team out of all of yall
Rotation:
Has zero holes
Boy Wonder
Peavy
Kazmir
Cliff Lee
Sheilds
Bullpen
Has three closers
Two fireball Set up Men
Durbin to mop up
Rhodes for leftys
The pitching was the easiest the hitting slash defense was certainly the hardest. But where i believe my team outshines everyone else
Chone Figgins
Brian Roberts
Hanley Ramirez
Carlos Pena
Grady Sizemore
Curtis Granderson
Vernon Wells
Eric HInske
Jason Kendall
This line up would make everyone pee them selves. Perfect mix of Speed Power and Patience.
And This OF defense would be the best in the league.
The Infield would be above average. With no real holes.
With Kendall keeping the run game in check.
Come on someone challenege me
Carlos Pena only has 4 years of MLB service…Carlos Pena 1b
3 years/$24.125M (2008-10)
* re-signed 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
* 08:$6M, 09:$8M, 10:$10.125M
* agent: Scott Boras
**** ML service: 4.135****
Sorry.
My fault I should have double checked espn dot com.
I re worked the line up
First Base Prince Fielder 3 years 670,000
Second Base Brian Roberts 6.3mil 7 years
Short Stop Jimmy Rollins Plus six years 8 million
Third Base Figgins 4,750
Catcher Jason Kendall 4,250,000 6 years plus
OF
Grady Sizemore 3 million 3 years
Josh Hamilton 396,830 1 year
Vernon Wells .5 million
DH
Hinske 6 years 800,000
28,666,830
Chone Figgins
Brian Roberts
Prince Fielder
Grady Sizemore
Josh Hamilton
Jimmy Rollins
Vernon Wells
Eric HInske
Jason Kendall
theres a whole lotta ways to slice that one but either way Top notch line up. Left handed heavy but team has tons of speed. You gotta think wells will hit better if he is between two of the monster leftys.
Again OF defense is insane. Great for the power pitching team that this is
Infield defense is still solid as a rock
lineup 28.5
Rollins, ss, $7.0, 6+
Polanco, 2b, 4.6, 6+
Sizemore, cf, 3.0, 3-5
Wright, 3b, 5.0, 3-5
Braun, rf, .5, 0-2
Ibanez, lf, 5.5, 6+
Casey, 1b, .9, 6+
Hinske, dh, .8, 6+
Barajas, c, 1.2, 6+
sp 14.6
Hamels .5
Lincecum .5
Lee 4.1
Dempster 5.5
Wakefield 4
rp 4.6 m
joba .5
papelbum .8
balfour.5
thornton .9
bell .5
park .5
king .9
bench 2.0 m
Salty
Gardner
Ransom
Theriot
gardner .5
Dempster and Wakefield eughkkkkk
plus CF and SS are your only plus defenders
A bunch of middle of the pack guys and some on the fence ones with the glove
is there anyone in your bullpen that played for over 6 years?
my bad King and park
but eughk mop up guys still need to pitch
Still no one touching my teammm
I moved Prince to DH.
C Barajas 1.2000
1B Millar 2.7500
2B Phillips 2.7500
SS Michael Young 5.0000
3B Feliz 3.0000
CF Ankiel 0.9000
LF Vernon Wells 0.5000
RF Milton Bradley 5.2500
DH Prince Fielder 0.6750
BN Tony Clark 0.9000
BN Wil Nieves 0.4000
BN Hinske 0.8000
BN Raburn 0.3960
SP Lester 0.4215
SP Lincecum 0.4058
SP Cliff Lee 3.7500
SP Lohse 4.2500
SP Halladay 10.0000
RP Joba 0.3900
RP Rodney 1.7
RP Francisco 0.7750
RP Rauch 1.2000
RP Marte 2.0000
RP Oliver 2.0000
CL Soria 0.4265
Spending a total of $51.8298MM
But Prince is listed on there as only having 2 years, right?
For some reason I thought I could do this in about 15 minutes while at work today- damn this is hard.
Starters
Chamberlain (0-2 yrs) – .39 million
Linecum (0-2 years)- .405
Duchshere (3-5 years)- 1.2 mil
Moyer (800+ years)- 3.5
Odalis Perez (1000+ yrs)- .85 mil
Starting pitching total= 6.345 mil
Bullpen
JP Howell (0-2 yrs)-.39 mil
Joakin Soria (0-2 yrs)-.426 mil
Balfour (3-5)-.5 mil
Matt Thornton (3-5)- .875
Javier Lopez (3-5)- .84 mil
Denny Reyes (6+)- 1 mil
Arthur Rhodes (6+) .39 mil
Bullpen totals= 4.421 mil
Position players
Brian McCann (0-2 yrs)- Catcher- .8 mil
Kevin Youklis (3-5 yrs)- 1B- 3 mil
Jose Reyes (3-5 yrs)- SS- 4 mil
Damien Easley (6+)- 2b- .95 mil
Fernando Tatis (6+)- LF- .56 mil
Jermaine Dye (6+)- RF- 9.5 mil
Mike Cameron (6+)- CF- 5 mil
Raul Ibanez (6+)- DH- 5.5 mil
Melvin Mora (6+)- 3B- 7.8 mil
Position Total= 37.11 mil
Bench
Tyler Teagarden- C- .39
Nelson Cruz- OF- .39
Cody Ransom- IF- .45
Reggie Abercrombie- OF- .39
Bench total=1.62 mil
Total payroll= $47.876 mil
Line-up
Reyes
Youkilis
McCann
Dye
Ibanez
Mora
Tatis
Easley
Cameron