Oct
20

Weekend rumor round-up

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While we were busy celebrating, the Hot Stove League was blazing this weekend. We’ll delve in, bullet-point style.

Jake Peavy

  • The Padres will deal Jake Peavy this winter, and this trade will be consummated at or by the Winter Meetings.
  • Ken Rosenthal thinks that the Yanks are a prime suitor for Peavy and the Padres. They have some near-MLB-ready outfield prospects and a plethora of young arms to trade. Rosenthal thinks the Yanks would have to part with Robinson Cano in a potential deal with the Padres as well.
  • But — and this is a fairly substantial but — Peavy, according to some team officials, “hates” New York. It would take extra compensation to land Peavy, and the Yanks won’t want to deal prospects for the opportunity to toss more money Peavy’s way.
  • BP’s John Perrotto believes the Yanks would include Phil Hughes (subscription required) in a deal for Peavy. I’m not sure I understand that logic. Hughes’ value in the eyes of the Yanks hasn’t dropped that much since last winter when the team wouldn’t include him in a deal for Santana, and Santana was a known AL commodity. Perhaps the Yanks appreciate the fact that Peavy is locked up for a few years, but his contract is hardly a steal.
  • The Sox are interested in kicking the Peavy tires, but the price seems too high for them as well. If Peavy doesn’t want to pitch in New York, he won’t like Boston either.

Mark Teixeira

  • Buster Olney believes that Mark Teixeira and the Yanks are a good fit, but the Yanks seem to have a limit. They don’t want to offer 10 years and $200 million to the first baseman but seem willing to go to six years at $18-$20 million per.
  • Olney notes that the Orioles will be active in perusing the Maryland native as well, but if I’m Tex, I go to the Yanks. New York has a much better shot at winning a World Series over the next six years than the Orioles do.

CC Sabathia

  • Within the same piece, Buster notes that the Yanks are willing to outbid for CC Sabathia by “a factor of 30 to 40 percent.” If CC wants the money and wants to come to New York, he’ll be here next season. These early rumors show that, to the Yanks, money is nothing.
Categories : Hot Stove League
  • A.D.

    If you piece together those Peavy rumors it would be:

    Cano
    Hughes
    Of prospect (which the only legit one I know of is A-Jax)

    + extra compensation making the “cheap” Peavy not as cheap.

    Why would the Yankees want to do this again?

    • Ivan

      Considering the FA class of pitchers are solid with CC, Lowe, Burnett and even Sheets.

      • Chris C.

        Yeah, that’s a real “solid” class!

        One guy will break the bank, and probably only has about 4 good years left with all the miles already put on his arm, another will be 37 years old, and the final two are extremely injury-prone.

        Real SOLID!

    • whozat

      Also, they need to replace Cano in that scenario. So…what, 3/36 for Hudson? 4/40? They could finally achieve their goal of having NO position players under 30!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Maybe we can bring Craig Biggio out of retirement to play second…

        • UWS

          Jeff Kent is a free agent, is he not? Get his agent on the phone, stat!

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            Two words: Joe Morgan.

            • jsbrendog

              he would bring “consistencey” and would “concetrate” very hard

              • pete

                yeah he’d get out every AB, making him the most consistent player in baseball

    • Chris C.

      Why would the Yankees want to do this again?

      Because the Yankees fall under the catagory of “those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it!”
      They are in the precess of repeating the early to mid 80’s again, and will not stop until 1991 rears it’s ugly head again.

  • Ivan

    I really don’t see Peavy coming to the Yanks. Considering that Cashman didn’t pull the trigger on Santana and also with the FA of pitchers being pretty solid, Cashman still views as a product that has lost some value and also can still be a front-line guy. You also have to take in account that that the Yanks could probably sign CC, Lowe, Burnett and even maybe Sheets and just use money instead of using money and giving up players with the likes of Peavy.

    Plus, it’s ironic that the teams who made deals to get big pitchers are not in the players in concern with the Mets and D-Backs, and teams like the Rays, Phils and CWS were in the playoffs with young arms who they develop. Hopefully the yanks follow that plan you know.

    • A.D.

      D-backs next year will be there

      Webb, Haren, Scherzer in the rotation will be redic

      • jsbrendog

        means nothign fi they cant hit the ball out of the IF or score 3 runs a game

      • Jay

        Scherzer has a world of talent, but a really bad delivery that could make him a closer I heard. I think even without him, Arizona will be a scary team as Justin Upton continues to develop…

    • JD

      If Peavy was about to be traded to boston the Yanks would probably do just about anything not to see Beckett, Peavy, and Dice-K as the top 3 of the red sox rotation.

      • Chris C.

        Peavy is not coming to the AL.
        He loves to hit and has a no-trade clause.
        He’ll end up in Georgia, a state away from where he lives.

    • Chris C.

      “You also have to take in account that that the Yanks could probably sign CC, Lowe, Burnett and even maybe Sheets and just use money instead of using money and giving up players with the likes of Peavy”

      Sign ALL OF THEM??
      Wow. Why don’t they just buy the Rays, and be done with the offseason?

      “Plus, it’s ironic that the teams who made deals to get big pitchers are not in the players in concern with the Mets and D-Backs, and teams like the Rays, Phils and CWS were in the playoffs with young arms who they develop”

      That’s not ironic at all! That’s the way you’re supposed to operate. Do you think it’s an accident that the Yankees won 4 championships with a team that Gene Michael built featuring homegrowns and signings to fill gaps, as opposed to big FA signings and homegrowns to fill gaps?

  • Accent Shallow

    Both Cano and Hughes for Peavy? Thank god this isn’t 1989.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Maybe we can trade Cano and Hughes for Greg Cadaret, Eric Plunk, and Luis Polonia instead.

  • radnom

    I’m against the Peavy trade, but could you imagine this roatation

    Peavy
    Joba
    CC
    Wang
    Moose/Sheets/Pettite/My Grandmother

    Damn that would be filthy

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      I’ve seen your grandmother. That slurve is FILTHY!

      • radnom

        Are you insinuating something about my grandmother’s character??

        We must have at it, sir.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          I will smash your face into a car windshield and then take your grandmother, Dorothy Radnom, out for a nice seafood dinner and NEVER CALL HER AGAIN!

          • Nady Nation

            Dorothy Radnom is a SAINT!

          • radnom

            Whoa my grandmother on my father’s side actually was named Dorothy, not exactly a common name.

            She has been passed away for a while now, so out of my two grandmothers she would be my second choice to fill the fifth starter role for the Yankees.

  • Alan

    If Peavy doesn’t like New York, there’s no sense in trading for him. I wouldn’t want to pay extra just to get a pitcher that didn’t want to be there, no matter how talented.

    • jsbrendog

      but bedard turned out soo well in seattle!!!

      • RustyJohn

        Too bad they resigned Cashman, they could have gone after Bavasi. Who needs Matsui at DH when Jose Vidro is available?

    • Chris C.

      WOW!!!! About time somebody said it! And I don’t want Pettitte back for the same reason. If you need a month after every year to think about returning, than just stay in Texas.

      I’m tired of guys who aren’t 100% sold on being here. I hated the pickup of Randy Johnson for that same reason.

      We’re the freaken NY Yankees, for crying out loud! Where’s the pride facor in begging or overpaying people to come here???? F THEM!!

  • Slugger27

    screw this trade, terrible deal for the yanks… the dude doesnt even wanna be here

    sign CCs ass, lock up pettitte, and lets move on

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Agreed. Although I’m more interested in acquiring CC’s arm than his ass, but hey, whatever floats your boat, Slugger.

      • Slugger27

        theyre both cute in their own ways

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Hey now!

    • Chris C.

      Pettitte’s a waste of money and roster spot.
      Aceves is already better than Pettitte. What’s the point of bringing him back? Because he pitched a great game in the 1996 WS?

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

    So, when Frank Wren offers Kelly Johnson, Jordan Schafer, Tommy Hanson and Jeff Locke for Jake Peavy, and we don’t try to match that (as we shouldn’t), will you all promise not to go apeshit? Because Jake Peavy will be wearing a Braves uniform next April.

    Now, let’s move forward amicably.

    • whozat

      Fine with me. Guy’s a very good pitcher. But, when you look at paying extra to get him to the AL, paying to replace Cano with an (over 30) free-agent, AND factor in his likely performance regression moving from the NL West to the AL East…It seems like he’d be a prime candidate to disappoint. Especially given the ludicrous expectations he’d face. He’s not a groundballer, and he’s moving from a spacious park to a neutral one with a poor outfield defense. He wouldn’t meet the (admittedly unrealistic) expectations, he’d face even MORE media scrutiny, and he’d probably wilt under the pressure.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Exactly. We’d all love to have Jake Peavy, but people need to remember that at $13M a year, controlled through 2012, he’s not a free-agent to be demanding a $150M contract, so unlike Santana, the list of teams who will be in on the Peavy sweepstakes will be larger, similar to the Dan Haren auction.

        So, mid market and small market teams, with all their accumulated high-quality prospects and with fanbases and media markets clamoring for their teams to land a big fish, they’ll all kick the Peavy tires too. I like Jake Peavy, but I have no intention of emptying the farm to get him. Somebody else will.

    • Slugger27

      yanks fans shouldnt care about him winding up in a braves uniform… if he aint a tampa ray ((which he definitely will not be)) or a member of the sox the yankees shouldnt be concerned

      of course, we could always offer melky and ipk and he’d be here with a press conference by thursday

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Melky and IPK for Peavy? That’s a bit much. How about Miranda and Eric Hacker?

        • A.D.

          Jason Jones & Tim Battle… done deal

  • Shamus

    IMO, Cashman won’t waste trade chips on a pitcher when he can sign one or two from a pool of decent arms.

    If Cashman is going to move some young arms, it will be for a 1B or CF.

    If they land Tex for 1B, it wouldn’t surprise me if they kicked the tires on guys like Victorino, Dejesus, Willingham/Hermedia, etc. Young, MLB proven talent.

    How about Kennedy, Humerto Sanchez and Brett Gardner for Shane Victorino?

    BUT, if they can’t sign Tex by getting outid, wouldn’t surprise me if they assembled a package for a good 1B.

    Here’s my wish list for X-Mas:

    1. Sign CC ($150 over 6 years)
    2. Sign AJ ($50 over 3 years, team option for 4th year)
    3. Trade Kennedy, Sanchez, Gardner for CF (Victorino?)
    4. Sign Tex ($135 over 6 years)
    5. Convince Giambi to take 1 year, $10M bench deal, a la Strawberry
    6. Resign Molina
    7. Bring back Pettitte (1 year- $10M /plus incentives)
    8. Beg Mussina come back (1 year- $15/ plus 1 year player option)

    Rotation:

    CC
    Wang
    AJ
    Moose
    Pettitte
    Joba

    Bullpen:

    Coke
    Melancon
    Veras
    Rivera
    Marte

    Lineup:

    1. Damon LF
    2. Jeter SS
    3. A-Rod 3B
    4. Teixeira 1B
    5. Posada C
    6. Victorino CF
    7. Nady RF
    8. Cano 2B
    9. Matsui DH

    Bench

    Giambi
    Betemit
    Melky
    Molina

    • Shamus

      Hughes would start the year at AAA.

      One OF I would entertain would be Matt Holliday. Take less in prospects than a Peavy or such, b/c he’s FA aftr next year.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      How about Kennedy, Humerto Sanchez and Brett Gardner for Shane Victorino?

      Can’t see why the Phillies would do this; sure, they’d love to have the young arms of Kennedy and Sanchez, but not at the price of giving up on a talented and still fairly young quality leadoff hitter and plus defender in Victorino. Gardner is way too far from a sure thing to take the gamble.

      And, while some of you have given up on both Kennedy and Gardner (which I sort-of understand but don’t agree with), I don’t want to deal the Hummer yet. He looks like he could be worth the wait.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Victorino is grossly over-rated. Take him out of that ballpark, put him in the AL East, and take away the cool nickname, and he’s an older Melky Cabrera.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Tripleslashes of .287/.346/.414, .281/.347/.423, and .293/.352/.447 in his first three full seasons say hello.

          He’s a plus defender in center, he gets on base and steals at a rate reasonable enough to hit him leadoff or second in the order, and he’s even got a little pop. Overrated because he’s short and Hawaiian? Sure, I’ll buy that. “Grossly” overrated? I disagree. He’s a quality, inexpensive above average offensive producer in a defensive spot; guys like that are pretty valuable.

          • cult of basebaal

            OPS+ of 94,94, and 105 say hello.

          • A.D.

            Victorino is the Ellsbury of this postseason, the Phils will ask too much for him.

            Also to Mike’s point of taking him out of that ballpark, the slugging will drop when he doesn’t get those random HR that would be a fly ball to lf.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      1. Sign CC ($150 over 6 years) – he shouldn’t cost that much, but I’m with ya
      2. Sign AJ ($50 over 3 years, team option for 4th year) – he won’t be that cheap, and I’m certainly NOT with ya
      3. Trade Kennedy, Sanchez, Gardner for CF (Victorino?) – see above
      4. Sign Tex ($135 over 6 years) – Sure, but a bit pricey
      5. Convince Giambi to take 1 year, $10M bench deal, a la Strawberry – good luck with that
      6. Resign Molina – he’s already signed through ’09
      7. Bring back Pettitte (1 year- $10M /plus incentives) – I can see that
      8. Beg Mussina come back (1 year- $15/ plus 1 year player option) – yeah, sure, i’m okay with that. If we have both Pettitte and Moose, though, it’s certainly unwise to give AJ Burnett the $17-$19 AAV he’ll want…

      • A.D.

        Giambi back to Oakland rumblings, I’ll glady take compensation for that

    • jsbrendog

      molina is aklready signed for next yr

    • Larry

      Molina signed a 2 year deal. He’s already in the fold for 2009.

    • Chris C.

      “If Cashman is going to move some young arms, it will be for a 1B or CF”

      Dealing young arms for positions players is a recipe for failure.
      Especially in a market where Mark Teixeira is a FA.

      And all this talk about the YAnkees needing a centerfielder is foolish. Do you people realize what a weapon Gardner can be at the top of the order once he acclimates himself more to major league pitching? He was already heating up in September, and that was in less than half a sporadic season in the majors.

      The guy runs like Reyes, and people are looking outside the organization for mid-level crap like David Dejesus? Ridiculous.

  • Steve S.

    Ben

    One thing, I see the logic on Peavy/ Hughes combination- He is two years younger than Santana and his contract is very affordable for the numbers he has put up. Even if they exercise the option, you get him at 5 years at around $80, which comes out to an AAV of $16M, which is amazing, considering Santana has an extra year commitment and around $7M more per year (on average). And your paying Peavy through his age 33 season as opposed to Santana who is going to his

    Now the argument that Peavy is a product of the National League and his ballpark is another story. But I dont know how they can say that they value Hughes just as much as last year. Last year they were willing to give him a spot in the rotation going into spring training. Now they wont even guarantee that spot and it appears they want to sign extra pitchers so that he can start in the minors. While they may have a belief in his talent, I think his value has obviously decreased.

    • steve (different one)

      lol. posted at the same time.

      • Steve S.

        Wow, were just feeding into the myth that we are the same person. lol

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Myth my ass. You’re the two-faced lady in the Southwest Airlines commercial.

          • Slugger27

            YIKES! bad lighting on the porch….

            happy festivus

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            Steve S. and steve (different one) = This guy.

            • Steve S.

              I think I still have that guy. I never could remember his name.

    • Chris C.

      HE’S 22 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Do you know what Mariano Rivera was doing when he was 22 years old? Playing Shortstop for the Panama Jacks!

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Actually, he was pitching in the Florida State League, but don’t let that point of reality get in the way of your argument.

  • steve (different one)

    here is the one argument that people keep repeating that i don’t really agree with:

    “if we wouldn’t trade Hughes for Santana, why would we trade him for Peavy?”

    money and years, plain and simple.

    the difference between Santana and Peavy is an $81.5M committment.

    that can easily tilt the equation from not including Hughes to including Hughes.

    if Santana were signed to Peavy’s contract, the Yankees would have traded Hughes for him without blinking plus a good deal more i’d imagine.

    you don’t just trade players, you trade contracts.

    i am not saying they should or shouldn’t trade for Peavy. honestly i don’t really see a match between Peavy’s lack of desire to play here and the prospects it would take to get him.

    but it’s not at all apples and oranges with Santana.

    • Slugger27

      i agree with u its a whole different animal from santana… but i still dont think trading away your best prospects for a guy that doesn’t seem interested in playing here is a smart idea… yse hes under market value, but hes not THAT much under market value… besides, mlbtr indicates he would need EXTRA compensation to be convinced… so if u have to pay him even more money, that sorta negates him being signed under value, right??

      all things considered, it just doesnt seem that practical for the yanks to be involved in a bidding war for this trade, especially since the nl west and al east are completely different environments

      • Steve S.

        I don’t think he was endorsing the Peavy move just pointing out the difference.

        And Peavy’s contract is way below market value. The extra compensation would be picking up the option on the fifth year and even if they extended at $22, the total value of the contract would barely top $100M. Market Value for a Peavy right now on the open market would be easily in the Johan range and maybe more.

        That being said, if you can sign CC then there is no point to trading away Hughes for Peavy. Peavy has the kind of stuff that could work in any league but there is concern looking at his splits. He could be a Vazquez but he could also be Josh Beckett.

    • Reggie C.

      If Peavy genuinely “hates” NY then that’s an honest to G-O-D reason not to pursue this trade. The media would be all over him looking to get him emotional after subpar starts. Its likely still a leverage ploy to get the Yanks to pick up that team option as compensation for waiving the NTC , but if Peavy has got a real dislike of the city then let him be.

      • steve (different one)

        i don’t think it’s a ploy at all.

        the guy took a contract that was well below market value because he liked playing in San Diego.

        the team wants to trade him, he didn’t ask to be traded.

        he has already proven with his wallet that his personal comfort is more important to him than wringing every last dollar out his employer.

        • Reggie C.

          That could very well be , but Towers has probably informed Peavy of the likelihood of a trade. Towers’s job is to get the best trade possible. Peavy may want to play in Houston, but Houston has zero farm to speak of, so the destination could very well be a place not of Peavy’s preference.

          Ultimately, if the Yanks offer a package that Towers doesn’t want to turn down, then its Towers’s job to convince Peavy.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

            Not if you have a blanket NTC. Peavy has the final say in this no matter what. He’s going to get paid anyway; he doesn’t have to be traded. Therefore, he has the upper hand here.

          • steve (different one)

            true, but taking Houston out of the equation (i had to laugh when i saw the headline on ESPN “Peavy would approve trade to Astros”…sure, but their GM wouldn’t) there will still be several suitors in the NL that can offer up a good package.

    • Old Ranger

      I think I understand what you are saying but, I can’t see the sense in trading our (likely) future #2-3 starter for a NL #1. The chances of him being the same pitcher in the AL East…not to good. He may end up being a #2-3 with the Yanks as we will have CC(maybe), CMW, Joba, Phil etc. Even with just CMW, Joba, and Phil he may end up at #3-4. I say; NO trade for Peavy that includes Phil and Cano, or even just Phil + others.
      I would go for CC and Tex, no contract over 6-7 years. 27/09.

  • Mike Pop

    6 yrs 120 mil wont get it done for Tex so they better offer more cuz Tex is the guy they need

    • radnom

      Convincing argument. Full of facts and reason.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Great story, Brian. Compelling and rich. Well, that’s gonna do it for all of us at Channel 4 News. You stay classy, San Diego.

  • Axl

    So we’re going to get rid of durable Robinson Cano and promising Phil Hughes for an injury plagued NL pitcher in Peavy..albeit a good one. And we’re going to sign another injury plagued 2B in order to replace Cano.

    Why don’t we just re-sign Pavano and call it a day if this is the case??

    • Slugger27

      i agree with u its a stupid trade… but peavy isnt injury plagued, not by a long shot…. 3 of the last 4 years he threw 200 innings and made at least 27 starts in every year for the last 6

      ur right about not doing the trade, but for completely wrong reasons

      by the way, comparing peavy’s injury history to pavano’s is nothing short of ridiculous

    • Reggie C.

      Peavy isn’t injury prone. Don’t insult him with that Pavano mention.

  • nick blasioli

    i say p—s on peavy…he doesnt like ny..so the heck with him..hes not all that anyway…..go for cc.aj or even lowe……although tex is a sure must as well..

  • Januz

    I do not want Peavey here. There is no reason to get someone here, who hates NY (Particularly if you have to give up Cano and Hughes). I have seen too many of those guys fail here.
    I have to say, some of the posters here are living in a fantasy land. We are in a severe economic recession, and everyone gets it (Except posters on this board).I cannot believe anyone would EVEN CONSIDER spending a combined $27m in 2009 for Burnett and Giambi, that is plain crazy.
    I am in favor of building through the farm, instead of free agency, but if I was going to spend money, it should be for elite players who are possible game changers (Like Sabathia or Teixeira), not for Giambi or Pavano II (Burnett). That is what they Yankees did during the Great Depression, when they paid the San Francisco Seals $100,000 for Joe DiMaggio. The point is that was JOE DIMAGGIO, not Jason Giambi. People really need to wake up, to reality.

    • Chip

      If the San Fran Seals knew what Joe DiMaggio would become, they wouldn’t have traded him. Just like the Red Sox would have never traded Jeff Bagwell and the Mets would have never traded Scott Kazmir (ok maybe they still would have)

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Januz = Ben Bernanke

  • Russ

    Thank you Axl

  • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

    on Hughes’s BEST days, you hope he can develop to the level of what Peavy has already become.

    there is no reason why you shouldnt offer Hughes in a package for Peavy.

    i like developing young players as much as the next guy, but i like winning championships even more.

    if you threw out CC, Wang, Peavy, and Joba, with Pettitte, every 5 days, you cant tell me that club couldnt win 100 games.

    and how can anyone here say they know Peavy hates NY? because some newspaper reports a friend said that? just parroting useless rumor like that doesnt make anyone an expert on how Peavy does or doesnt feel about playing in the AL, or in NY, etc.

    if the Yankees guaranteed him his $23 million option at the back end of his current contract, I’m sure he’ll get used to life in NY somehow.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      We know he hates NY because this isn’t the first time it’s come up. His agent has said it; other team executives have said it. It’s not a secret. Why would you think this is a lie?

    • Slugger27

      cuz numerous credible sources have said it including his fucking agent

      • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

        “Jake Peavy would need “a lot of convincing” to approve a trade to the Yankees or any American League team, his agent said Friday.

        “He has a strong preference for the National League,” Barry Axelrod said of Peavy, the San Diego Padres ace who is being shopped. “He has a strong preference for a team that has a chance to win in the next few years.”
        ——

        needs convincing is different than hates NY.

        convinving, AKA, “we’re ready to win, and we’re going to a) guarantee your option to come to NY, and/or b) extend your contract”

        i’m not gonna sit here and say that id bet he’s in a yankees uniform by teh end of the winter meetings… in fact, if i were to guess right now id say he’s a Cardinal.

        but we know Sabathia wants to sign quickly.

        if you make moves to show Peavy you’re ready to compete and win, next year and for the near future, including a quick Sabathia signing, plus you guarantee Peavy his cash, he can get over the fact he doesnt love NY.

        • Ivan

          Jake Peavy would need “a lot of convincing” to approve a trade to the Yankees or any American League team, his agent said Friday.

          That tells ya alot right there. He’s not a NY fan and that is a red flag right off the bat.

          • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

            you think every player who has played in NY loved to be here?

            you know what will change Peavy’s mind about NY? winning a World Series here.

            • A.D.

              Yeah it would, too bad they’d have already had to throw him the extra cash by then

              • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

                sure, you have to pay him to get him to waive that no trade.

                that will come with whomever trades for him.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      (ugh, here comes SantanaGate Part II…)

      The point isn’t that we should trade Hughes for Peavy. Everybody would agree to that. The point is, maybe we shouldn’t trade Hughes AND Cano AND Austin Jackson AND additional prospects for Peavy. If the pricetag was Hughes alone, nobody would be poo-pooing the idea. It won’t be. The pricetag will be much, much higher.

      • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

        no, not everyone would agree to that.

        sweeping generalizations do not make your opinion fact.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Fine, yes, you’re correct, I concede your point, if things were different they wouldn’t be the same.

          Yes, Phil Hughes’ mom and girlfriend wouldn’t approve of a deal of Hughes for Peavy straight up. (Although, since their likely Californians, they probably would, but let’s remain germane here.)

          My point is, what’s your point, exactly? You spent 147 words saying that Peavy is good (most of us knew that) and that Hughes can only hope to be as good as Hughes someday (again, no argument here) and endorsing Peavy as a Yankee generally being a good thing (agreed), a rotation with him in it as excellent (totally with ya) and Peavy’s reluctance to play in NYC as a hurdle that can be cleared (it is).

          My point is, while all that’s true, it’s still not a great idea to go all in on Peavy because he’ll cost a lot more than just Hughes, and that the improvement we’d get in flipping Hughes for Peavy is greatly mitigated (if not all together cancelled out) by the cost of also losing Cano, Jackson, and who knows who else.

          Do you disagree with that? Or is that just another of my “sweeping generalizations”?

          • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

            i would argue that if you put together Hughes, Austin Jackson, Humberto Sanchez-type, Veras, and some low level position player, like a Laird or Romine, etc., that you arent really losing anything in terms of the current active roster talent that cant be replenished with the current farm system plan Cashman has going on.

            and the benefit that you get from the upgrade this year, and the next 3 to 5 years, with this type of deal in the rotation, in addition to the potential Sabathia deal, would make this team, on paper, a perennial 100-win caliber team thru the duration of their tenure in NY.

            so yeah, i disagree.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

              Well, sure, I’d disagree if I realistically thought we could do it with that package, which is basically a really good maybe (Hughes) and a bunch of decent maybes.

              I don’t see how we stay in this Peavy race longer than 30 seconds when the offer doesn’t START with Hughes, Cano, AND Austin Jackson. That’s the starting point to not get laughed out of the conversation, and even that’s probably far from enough.

              And I’m not willing to part with Hughes AND Cano for Peavy. One or the other, perhaps. Not both. Certainly, not all three.

      • A.D.

        Thats what people always do, boil the trade down to a 1:1 when it is far from that, we can talk about how many prospects are in our farm, but honestly its a few guys, a trade like this would hit hard with many of the other prospects below AA.

        • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

          i dont think its a 1:1 deal at all. its all about the package of 3, 4 or 5 guys that you have to put together

          but some people wont discuss Hughes at all… my point is if he has to go as the centerpiece, then so be it. seems like the kid’s got great potential, but where Yankees fans want him to go, Peavy is already there, and proven.

          • A.D.

            I’m saying when ppl debate a trade, they’re like ohhh we weren’t willing to trade Hughes for Santana, we should have traded Hughes for Santana etc… when thats not the trade they Yankees turned down.

            Right now I don’t read many comments that is we shouldn’t trade for Peavy because of Hughes alone but because its Hughes + Cano + AJax + maybe something else, pretty much all our best young players.

            I totally agree the deal is way more than 1:1, too many times fans pretend it is 1:1 when bashing management or others for not making the deal. Hughes as a centerpiece for Peavy would be intriguing, but if its going to include Cano & AJax it really isn’t intriguing at all its just gutting the farm, and filling one hole while creating others. We have talented young pitching, we’re not sure if it will turn out as hoped, but we have it, we do not have you position players, so trading the ones we do have doesn’t seem like the best idea.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

              from http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/jake_peavy/
              Emphasis is mine.

              Peavy is 27; his trade value is off the charts. He’s under contract for the next four seasons at a below-market $59MM total. In 2013, his $22MM club option could be seen as a discount as well – remember when A.J. Burnett at $11MM a year was crazy? The A’s received a six-prospect bounty for three years of Dan Haren; Peavy suitors will have to top that. Peavy will also need to be compensated to waive his no-trade clause.”

              “Rosenthal states that the following teams have been speculated to be suitors for the Padres’ ace: Braves, Angels, Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, Cubs, Astros, Dodgers, Cardinals, Brewers, Rays, Rangers.

              The Padres want two young pitchers and a near MLB-ready center fielder in return. The Braves and Dodgers could both meet that demand.”

              “First, Kevin Towers says he’s looking for young controllable pitching and then middle infielders in a package for Peavy. No mention of a center field focus, which had been mentioned previously.”

              “David O’Brien figures the Braves will have to surrender Yunel Escobar, Kelly Johnson, Tommy Hanson to get it done.”

              “Even if Peavy is picky about his destination, though, there is no reason for Towers to accept a package that does not begin with Jason Heyward or Tommy Hanson. He has plenty of time to explore possible Peavy trades.”

          • Chris C.

            but some people wont discuss Hughes at all… my point is if he has to go as the centerpiece, then so be it. seems like the kid’s got great potential, but where Yankees fans want him to go, Peavy is already there, and proven.

            Proven where? On a national league team, with a crappy fan base in a pitcher’s ballpark?

            I’ll bet if Hughes went to San Diego, it wouldn’t take him long to become a Cy Young candidate pitching in that place, with nobody breathing down his neck!

    • Chris C.

      “on Hughes’s BEST days, you hope he can develop to the level of what Peavy has already become.”

      Right……..and Peavy has been doing his work in sunny, relaxed, fan-defficient, playoff un-bound San Diego.
      While Hughes, barely old enough to vote, has constantly been under the spotlight since he inked his first deal, right up to this past season when he appeared in National newspapapers on a daily basis regarding Santana rumors.

      I wonder which guy has had the more conducive adjustment atmosphere?

      Enough with this nonsense…………for all you know, Peavy could wind up being the next Andy Hawkins and melt like butter in New York.

  • Miles Roche

    Anybody Here Knows What Mike’s Email Address Is?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      E-mail addresses on the left hand sidebar where it says “The Authors.”

      • Miles Roche

        Unfortunately For Me, I’m Viewing Via Mobile Phone, And All The Email Link Does For Me Is It Serves As A Refresh Button. . . :-<

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Me? mike (at) riveraveblues (dot) com

      • Miles Roche

        Thanks.

      • Miles Roche

        Mike,
        ( Really Hate To Be Off Topic Here Since You Guys Really Don’t Like It, But I Tried Emailing You From My Phone And I Keep On Getting A Message That It Can’t Be Delivered. . . )

        Do You Plan On Publishing A Rab Top Ten Prospects List For 2009 Anytime Soon? If So, Roughly When?

        ( Btw, Sorry For The Annoying Caps, It’s How Opera Mini Gives Me T9 Word )

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I did a list after the draft, and I usually don’t post another one until the start of ST. It give me time to see how guys do in winter ball, as well as include/remove any prospects involved in trades.

          Here’s my last list:

          http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....ects-3494/

          • Miles Roche

            Gotcha. Thanks.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

              Next time, just text it.

              heymike can u plz do a new hot kids post kthxbye

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                hi tsjc u r d best i alrdy used dat txt joke 1 month ago so stop it plskthx

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                  sorry, missed that one. well done.

  • Januz

    Peavey’s agent says he wants to Pitch in the National League, or California. I am taking him at his word. Note the following: We haven’t said Jake will go anywhere yet but in any situation that does arise, there will probably be some conditions to be met with his contract, either changes or enhancements,” Barry Axelrod, Peavy’s agent, said by phone yesterday. “Let’s say they ask us about the Angels or Red Sox – there might be different conditions to be met for the Red Sox than the Angels.”

    Axelrod said Peavy will not announce the teams to which he is willing to be traded.

    “To me and Jake, there’s no sense in talking about that until something is presented to us,” Axelrod said. “We haven’t closed any doors but his strong preference is to stay in the National League.” Source: http://www.Bostonherald.com.
    If they are able to bring Sabathia here, there is no need for Peavey (Think about Wong, Joba, Petitte or Mussina (Or Both), plus Hughes?). Throw in an excellent bullpen, and they will be fine pitching wise.

  • Chip

    Until Peavy says he doesn’t want to go to NY, it’s all a marketing ploy.
    Remember, right now everybody is using the media to put rumors out there because they can’t officially do much in the way of free agents and such until after the WS.

    Peavy could be a very good pitcher in the AL East. He’s never been one to walk many guys and gets a lot of swinging strikes (75% of his strikeouts in his career have been swinging). That sort of thing usually translates pretty well. Also his ERA+ is 121 which should be adjusted to league and park factors. I wouldn’t go overboard on him but I could still see a deal being swung for him. I could see a AJax, Melky and IPK deal happening. There’s no way Cano or Hughes go in this trade with Cashman at the helm. We might also lose a Romine, McAllister or Coke in it but I could deal with that.

    You guys all know a rotation of
    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Peavy
    Hughes
    is just plain sexy

    • radnom

      How exactly do you plan on getting Peavy without giving up Joba or Hughes?

      I suppose we could just eat the remainder of Arod’s contract and trade him.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        We’re picking up Pavano’s option and flipping him for Peavy, straight up.

      • Chip

        Everybody else was throwing out random trades and I wanted to as well! Look, this inflated trade value is all BS. I was pointing out that there is no way that they get Hughes AND Cano in this trade. He’s not THAT undersigned and there’s a huge free agent pitching market. These trade proposals that have the Yankees two best prospects or the Braves three best prospects are just starting points. I honestly think something in line with the value of Hughes, Aceves and Melky could do it and I wouldn’t want to go beyond that.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          I honestly think something in line with the value of Hughes, Aceves and Melky could do it and I wouldn’t want to go beyond that.

          Scott Layden, is that you?

  • b/c

    Ok guys, b/c im bored you get my plan for the offseason. (Oh and Europe is the best band ever)

    (1) Sign Tex for up to 7 yrs and work with the money but.. give him an opt out after 5 that hell prob. take and thus get rid of the problem of years.

    (2) Sign CC if the years work out, I’m scared of the innings counts and I wouldn’t want to go above 6. give him an opt out after 4 and see what you can develop in the meantime.

    (3) See if you can convince both Moose and Pettitte to come back. I think that pitching depth (as in the 6,7 starters) is a very underrated part of a team. If either want more than one year then wave goodbye.

    (4)Give CF to Gardner and hope to hell it works out.

    (5) Offer arbitration to Pudge, Giambi, Abreu and let them all sign elsewhere.

    (6) Pick up Marte’s option.

    (7) See if you can pick up Marlon Byrd from the Rangers who are awash in OF’s

    (8)Move Pena to 3b coach and pick up a players guy type of replacement to compliment Girardi’s style.

    (6) Bet on Nady for RF

    You end up with a pretty solid rotation

    CC
    CMW
    Joba
    Moose
    Pettitte

    with Hughes starting in AAA with Aceves and IPK to cover for the inevitable injuries.

    IF Hughes wins a job out of ST then use him in the pen to start the year and to cover for Joba. There will be injuries, that is a certainty.

    The pen is rock solid with

    MO
    Marte
    Bruney
    Coke (if he shows in ST)
    Melancon (out of ST or at some point)
    Robertson
    Veras
    Edwar etc.

    The point is that all these can be easily flipped around as needed. If you have a coupla hot relievers in the minors come the deadline you can flip an Edwar or Veras for something.

    The hitting is gonna be a mix and match situation and it’s gonna be on Girardi to make it gel.

    1. Damon LF/ CF( on Wang days
    2. Jeter SS ( Was really good once he got going, hope it carries over)
    3. A-Rod 3B ( in the on again off again cycle this is a MVP year for A Rod)
    4. Teixeira 1B ( A true Masher in a understated way)
    5. Posada C
    6. Nady RF
    8. Cano 2B ( will have a huge rebound in keeping with rates from this year)
    8. Matsui DH (Is a impact hitter if healthy)
    9. Gardner/ Byrd CF

    Bench will also cycle through the minors guys quite a bit as it always does.

    Molina
    Betemit
    Melky
    Ransom or whoever looks good in ST

    Say NO to Manny and Peavy and AJ and Lowe

    Let me Know what I missed eh.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      You had me at “Europe is the best band ever”.

      • b/c

        Ok not ever, but it deserves a spot in the Jovi, GNR type pantheon and its really underrated.

        I think that Hendrix really takes the top spot then queen, Clapton and Jovi GNR Europe.

        Dylan is there also.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          What, no Tommy Seebach?

    • A.D.

      Looks good to me, the issue is if they can get Tex & CC signed, i think that most people would agree that you add CC & Tex we should be fine, the problem is getting both of them signed

  • john

    1. trade cano for a bag of balls.
    2. Sign enrique wilson aka joe camel to play 2nd base
    3. Give cc a lifetime supply of wendy’s
    4. Give AJ Burnett a lifetime supply of tattoos
    5. Give derek lowe a lifetime supply of booze
    6. Bring back farsworth
    6a. Start a brawl

    • Reggie C.

      Apparently the Yanks are holding out for 2 bags of balls.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      2. Sign enrique wilson aka joe camel Pat Listach to play 2nd base

      Fixed.

  • Old Ranger

    The team seems to be willing to spend $$$$$ this year but, not to much. Remember we helped pay for Tampa’s trip to the WS therefore, I can’t see the Yanks going to far over the limit again…for anyone. The next two(?) years they get a break for the new home but, after that….! We will be done with Johnny, Matsui and a couple others in a year or two, which will help but, we will need people to replace them with.
    Signing Tex, CC, Peavy, AJ and a high priced CF is a non starter. This is one of the reasons I have been advocating for only CC and Tex. We have a SP line-up of CC, CMW, Joba, Phil, and any one of many even Pavano (ugeek) and IPK. AJ would be nice too but, if for some reason CC falls through, I say; go for AJ and Tex. 27/09.

  • yankeefan91 (sign manny)

    we have to sign a big bat if abreu and giambi leave so sign manny sign cc and aj and if we dont get aj try to trade for oswolt sign pettie and mussina if he wants to come back and if we kant get texeira lets sign millar or sumtin

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      kthxbye

      (sorry, Mike, couldn’t resist)

    • Old Ranger

      Where dose Matsui play, if one signs Manny…can’t have them both as DHs? I think Tex is a much better sign; younger, switch hitter with power and avg., plays very good defence, and fills a hole in our line-up. Makes more sense for Tex and CC. 27/09.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Are we really going to let the one year and $13M left on Matsui’s expiring contract stand in the way of any single potential improvement to our team, Manny Ramirez or otherwise?

        Matsui’s a total nonfactor to our larger organizational decision making process, IMO. If we don’t bring in anybody else to DH, he’s the DH. If we do, he goes to the bench to pinch-hit or he’s dealt for a young arm or flipped for something the spring. No big whoop.

        • whozat

          He’s got a no-trade, so it’s not quite so simple.

          That said, I don’t think DH is somewhere the team would be looking to bring in another bat. They have plenty of guys who need to DH in both the near and far term.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

            If we tell him that he’s not going to get significant PT in 2009 because we’ve found a better option, that no-trade clause will disappear faster than Sarah Palin can say “Maverick”.

            I agree with you, though. And I don’t think signing Manny = Manny’s a DH and we have to move Matsui, either. I’m fine putting him in left. He’s not near as bad as people make him out to be.

            • whozat

              Manny may not be a perma-DH right now. But, he’s not getting any younger and only adds to the DH logjam over the next several years. And, the Yankees defense is really pretty poor. Abreu, for example, gave back pretty much ALL of his value at the plate by being so awful in the field. We’ve seen that old teams built around walks and slugging aren’t succeeding. I don’t buy the base-stealing argument, but I think the ability to take XBH away is kind of a big deal. The Yanks give up doubles that other teams catch. The allow bloop singles to drop that other teams catch.

              I think they need to get more athletic, not less. And getting Manny doesn’t bring that. And that’s beside the issue that he only plays hard when he wants to.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

                “But, he’s not getting any younger and only adds to the DH logjam over the next several years.”

                Firstly, there’s no way Manny’s getting more than 4 years, max. So, by my count, here’s the supposed DH “logjam” that you speak of:

                2009: Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui
                2010: Jorge Posada (maybe)
                2011: Jorge Posada (definitely)
                2012: ?

                Abreu and Giambi are all but gone. Damon and Matsui will be gone a year from now. None of our other aging players, outside of Jorge, are so bad or would potentially decline so much that we would have to put them at DH. And, if we don’t add Tex this winter, Jorge could move to first.

                Seriously, signing Manny is not going to be that big of a deal defensively. He’s not as bad as he’s portrayed, he can remain in left for a while, and there will be ample room for him at DH if he gets to be unbearable in left.

    • Slugger27

      no idea where to begin with this… so i wont

  • Jfrank

    My list of priorities this offseason

    1. Sign CC (no matter what it takes)
    2. Sign Tex (but not for his 10 years)
    3. Offer arbitration to Pudge (make a deal where he declines), Abreu, Giambi
    4. Keep Joba in the Pen
    5. Resign Pavano, Pettite, Mussina to one year contracts with a club option
    6. Sign Sheets/Burnett
    7. Trade Melky, Kennedy, Matsui for Ichiro
    8. Sign Manny (nice extra but not necessary)

    Projected Lineup
    1 – Ichiro [CF]
    2 – Jeter [SS]
    3 – Texiera [1B]
    4 – A-Rod [3B]
    5 – Manny [DH]
    6 – Cano [2B]
    7 – Nady [RF]
    8 – Posada [C]
    9 – Damon [LF]

    Projected Rotation
    CC
    Sheets/Burnett
    Wang
    Mussina
    Pettite

    Extras Starters
    Hughes
    Rasner
    Pavano

    Bullpen
    Marte
    Coke
    Burney
    Veras
    Melencan

    • Jfrank

      o and Mo as the closer and Joba as settup

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        All of this is batshit crazy.

    • Chip

      Psh, and people say the Yankees buy championships….

      Are we still really playing the Joba-to-the-bullpen game?

    • Slugger27

      jerry jones, is that u??

    • Slugger27

      so ur plan is this…
      sign CC
      sign Sheets
      sign Tex
      sign Manny
      sign Pavano
      sign Mussina
      sign Pettitte

      thats 7 free agent signings not counting ur propsed trade of matsui and 2 blades of grass for a future hall of famer… all while leaving the best pitcher on the team in the bullpen

      i gotta hand it to ya frank… u keep me young

      • Jfrank

        umm, first of all, the Mariners are looking to trade Ichiro, and with the Yankees swaping Matsui and Ichiro, both teams will be keeping their fanbase and good relationship with the fans in japan, making the yankees the most likley of teams to be able to trade for Ichiro

        second of the 7 free agent signings, 3 of them are returing players, yes manny might be a stretch, but a solid DH/LF like Ibanez or Dunn is not a bad to replace a platoon of Giambi, Matsui and Damon, plus Posada will be getting some time at DH allowing damon and whichever one of the three they would sign to get more days off. Although they are looking at losing 4 or 5 (or possibly more depending on how siging multiple free agents works) they will be reciving first rounders and suplemental picks for abreu, giambi and pudge, plus they have 2 first round picks all ready this upcoming draft

        also if you look at joba’s history, the reason he fell to the yankees int the draft was because he always had injury problems as a starter which was shown this year, and although he was dominant, it does not make sense to not use him the way the yankees used mo when they had john wetteland. This could give the yankees a homegrown talent that not only would rival jonathan paplebon, but surpass him, for the best young closer in the AL, and even by the time mussina and pettite retire, Hughes and either Alan Horne or Andrew Brackman or any of their young arms like Aceves to take over as the 4-5 pitchers in the rotations, it also provides them with plenty of depth in case of injury.

  • Chip

    So according to Ken Rosenthal (yeah I know, consider the source) one “rival exec” would propose a package of Ellsbury, Lowry and Masterson from the Red Sox should get Peavy. How can anybody honestly say that Aceves, Melky and A-Jax isn’t a better package than that? The league caught up to Ellsbury (just like Melky) but yes he’s still much better than Melky (although I think Melky could be decent in the NL West), Aceves is at least considered a starter still rather than simply being a good reliever (which he might end up being) and I don’t think I have to say how much better A-Jax is than Lowry

    • Slugger27

      b/c ellsbury is better than melky, masterson is better than aceves, and ajax hasnt played in the majors yet… its not just that the red sox package is better, its MUCH MUCH better… assuming that is indeed the package

      that being said im still not sure that package is good enough, but regardless ur proposal of aceves, melky, and ajax for peavy is flat out hilarious

  • Gary

    Know what’s the difference between the 2008 baseball season and the offseason?
    I don’t know, but I can tell you what is similar: Phil Hughes won’t win any games! Get rid of him!