World Series Game 2: Phils @ Rays
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$260,000.
The Braves offered more, but after spending time in the Yankees’ complex in Tampa, that’s all the money it took to get Dioner Favian Navarro into the pinstriped pipeline way back in 2000. The switch hitting catcher wowed onlookers first in the Gulf Coast League, then South Atlantic League, then the Florida State League, and before you knew it, he was making his Major League Debut for the Bombers on September 7th, 2004 against (who else?) the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.
Named the Yanks’ top prospect by Baseball America prior to the 2004 season, Navarro was coming off a season in which he hit a ridiculous .321-.375-.469 while catching 110 games as a 19-yr old between High-A Tampa and Double-A Trenton. Dubbed “Pudgito” because his stocky build resembles Ivan Rodriguez, the Venezuelan born backstop was poised to assume backup catcher duties behind incumbent Jorge Posada in 2005 after hitting .429 during his September call-up. Navarro was Posada’s successor, and the changing of the guard was ready to begin.
Then George Steinbrenner stepped in.
Steinbrenner’s affection for Randy Johnson had been well-known, and on January 11th, 2005, a deal was completed to bring The Big Unit to the Bronx. Heading to the desert was Navarro (amongst others), his Yankees’ career over after 356 minor league games and seven big league plate appearances. Navarro was traded again less than 24 hours later, this time to the Dodgers as part of a package for Shawn Green. Eighteen months later he was traded again, this time to baseball purgatory for Toby Hall & Mark Hendrickson.
Navarro struggled in his first full season as a Major League catcher last year, hitting just .227-.286-.356 in 119 games. The highlight of his season came at Yankee Stadium (of course) on July 20th, when he hit a monster grand slam through the rain drops into the right field upper deck off Edwar Ramirez. Navarro was hitting a Major League low .179 coming into the game, but the Rays kept running him out because they believed he was their catcher of the future and needed the playing time to develop.
Blossoming as a 24-yr old this year, Navarro earned his first All-Star berth and was second amongst American League catchers with a .295 batting average & .349 on-base percentage. He delivered a crucial walk-off single against the Red Sox on Sept. 16th, breaking a tie atop the AL East. The Rays never looked back, taking the division by two games over the BoSox. One month later, Pudgito is starting in the World Series.
Following prospects is a fun hobby. There’s nothing like imagining what a player can become, hoping they can figure out how to hit a breaking a ball or command their fastball, and envisioning them carrying your team to the World Championship. No one knows what would have become of Navarro had the Yanks not traded him. Maybe his development would have stalled behind Posada, maybe he would have gotten a piece of advice that turned him a player rivaling Matt Wieters. But watching Navarro for the Rays this postseason has been a personal victory; a return on all the time and faith I put into following his progess, hoping he’d one day lead the Yanks to the promised land. For now though, I’ll settle for watching Navarro do his thing for the Rays.
There’s simply nothing better than watching a prospect make it.
Philadelphia
1. Jimmy Rollins, SS
2. Jayson Werth, RF
3. Chase Utley, 2B
4. Ryan Howard, 1B
5. Pat Burrell, LF
6. Shane Victorino, CF
7. Greg Dobbs, DH
8. Pedro Feliz, 3B
9. Carlos Ruiz, C
- Brett Myers, P (10-13, 4.55)
Tampa Bay
1. Akinori Iwamura, 2B
2. BJ Upton, CF
3. Carlos Pena, 1B
4. Evan Longoria, 3B
5. Carl Crawford, LF
6. Cliff Floyd, DH
7. Pudgito, C
8. Rocco Baldelli, RF
9. Jason Bartlett, SS
- Jamie Shields, P (14-8, 3.56)
Navvaro hit .227 in his first full year.
yet people want to throw Gardner in the trash can.
Gardner have been successful at every stop, in the minor leagues. Case in point.
Does Gardner catch?
yup. All-star catcher.
“Navarro was hitting a Major League low .179 coming into the game, but the Rays kept running him out because they believed he was their catcher of the future and needed the playing time to develop.”
What a bunch of fucking dumbasses they are. They keep wasting everyone’s time with young losers like that, and they’ll never make it to the World Series.
Speaking of Yankees catching prospects…I just read this on Yesnetwork.com…
“Jesus Montero is a slugger but isn’t expected to reach the Majors with his tools of ignorance.”
What does that mean? Do you agree that he won’t reach the Majors? Not even at 1B?
“tools of ignorance” are catching gear.
Sorry I’m late.
Isn’t “Tools of Ignorance” the hot new first-person shooter expected to hit shelves this Christmas? Available on both PS3 and XBOX.
” maybe he would have gotten a piece of advice that turned him a player rivaling Matt Wieters.”
That’s something I often wonder about. So many prospects have so many tools and yet so little Baseball acumen. All the skills in the world but never make it in the bigs. Then you look at guys like Manny, John Kruk, etc who have average athletic ability (or less) and become good to great players.
What is it? Good coaching? Internal, never ending drive to hone your craft? Or as Mike suggested a piece of advice that sinks in and turns him around? I would imagine there’s no easy answer, that each case is different.
I’ve often wondered, what were the prospects that you guys first learned about when you got into the whole prospect scene? Like the very first guy you learned about and started to follow.
For me it was Jose Tabata. I had a real sinking feeling when I learned of his name being involved in that Pittsburgh trade, but after looking over the deal as a whole, I realized it was for the better of the Yankees (especially if the Yanks can net a couple first round picks when Damaso Marte is allowed to walk following the 2009 season).
Nick Johnson, the year he had that .525 OBP in AA. He walked 123 times & got hit by a pitch 37 freaking times. What was that, ‘99?
What would it take to get good ol Nicky J back ?
Medical insurance?
Less than it would take to get someone to play first base the other 100 or so games a year…
well played
My first was Eric Duncan but we all know how that turned out
sadly, he was the first prospect i ever really cared about or followed too… it still makes me sad hearing his name
He was suppose to be the next Jim Thome !!! or was it Andy Marte ?
same with me, first guy. I met him because my baseball teammate’s dad is the coach of the Seton Hall Prep baseball team so Eric Duncan came a met us one day. Hometown guy.
Yeah, Joe played against him in HS.
For me it was Phil Hughes. I mean every start in 06 in Double AA was like event he pitch. There were times where he was throwing a no-no and they would take him out after 5IP. That dude was super fun to watch.
That half-season with Trenton was amazing. They had him on a 5 IP per start limit, and he threw like, five 5 IP no-no’s in less than 3 months. Then, naturally, Tyler Clippard throws the first no-hitter in Trenton history.
At age 20 he was doing all these sick stuff in AA. Then he had that lengendary performance against the Sox AA team. Fun Times.
So what’s the real story, did he really lose a tick or two off his heater when they changed this release point; or is this stuff all speculation?
I think it’s all speculation. He was pitching fine when they first called him up. I didn’t hear about any changes until people starting looking for excuses.
Who knows. It’s seem mechanical cuz we have seen flashes of the plus velocity. I wanna see him at full strength next season and go through a season without being hurt and see how his vel reacts.
Hed probably throw a no no or 2 if he can stay healthy throughout the whole season
Kevin Goldstein made an interesting point with Hughes. He said that with Hughes being so inconsistent and etc he wouldn’t be surprise at all if he won 16 games or won just two games.
Cy Young candidate baby
Brandon Claussen was the first one I remember having excitment about… but knew he’d be traded. Then Nick Johnson, then Hughes
To date myself as a follower of Yankees prospects – Ricky Ledee’s 1996 season was one to follow. I had just started reading Baseball America back then.
For me, it was Wee Willie Keeler.
I’m old.
The first prospect I really remember following was D’Angelo Jimenez. He was a hot name for the Yankees in the late 90’s, now he’s a journeyman changing teams every year. Poor guy never was right after that car crash though.
http://web.yesnetwork.com/news.....amp;vkey=6
Great article
Given the way he blasted Manny and called it despicable that he quit on his team, I sure hope Tim McCarver plans on mentioning that Brett Myers beat his wife. It’s only fair.
and for Buchholz for stealing …… oh thats right the red sawx arent in the w.s
Brett Myers and Clay Buchholz don’t have dreadlocks.
They’re safe from McCarver’s infernal wrath.
Just watching this WS, just lets me dream of the yanks being here next season, with their own guys like Joba, or Hughes or Cano and etc.
Hate the sox but this is pretty funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6zs5xbGWyQ
What, no Backstreet Boys tonight? Was O-Towns available?
Anybody saw that new Black Berry Storm? Majority of the device is touch-screen and features are fantastic.
thats why BBERRY > IPhone
Hey I wouldn’t touch the iPhone at all. First off the bills you gotta pay are just ridiculous.
BlackBerry – For people who want to get work done
IPhone – For people who want a flashy phone
What about the new phone by google that just came out?
I wish Matt Stair would DH
Me too. did you see his press conference after he hit that homer in the NLCS? It was great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJwoNSLRwg
lol “ass hammer”
Why can’t they just actually start the game at 8
I’m not going to bother linking to it, by why is Steve Lombardi such a fucking asshole when it comes to the subject of Brian Cashman?
Brian Cashman:
Steve Lombardi:
Honestly, what was the point of that? I usually never read this dude unless someone points out something amazingly idiotic he said, but I checked him out on my own this time and I was none too surprised.
Its Cashman has never won a world series like Friedman has…oh wait
That’s Lombardi. He hate cash the way Mike Hates Melky.
Also, he hates Phil Hughes too.
Personally, I hate Rod Smart.
I have stopped going to his blog altogether. I used to go for “train wreck” purposes, but he is such a biased mental midget that it is no fun anymore. He needs to be fed a knuckle sandwich by logic.
Hey Mike you won the Stanley Cup on that NHL game you’re playing?
No, I just finished the first round today. Came back from a 3-1 deficit to win the series. It’ll be mad hard to get to the Cup Finals, I was lucky enough to get into the playoffs as a 6 seed, 2 pts away from the 9th seed.
Which you are? The Rangers? and Who ya beat in the round?
I’m the Rangers, beat Atlanta in the first round. I have to play Carolina in the second round, but I’ll start on that tomorrow.
These “keys to the game” are awful
Where is Ryan Howard??
NOT a key
I don’t want to go Philly down 0-2
seriously, TB going to will a win cause they don’t want that.
McCarver must come up with this shit on his own
What a play by Mrs. Tony Parker.
You wouldn’t know who Tony Parker if he wasn’t married to Longoria wouldn’t you?
That’s not true. I’m not a basketball fan, but I know the players well enough.
Eva Longoria is a good third baseman and all, but I like Manny Ortez more.
Shields looking good so far
If you can’t remember your chicken sandwich and you are having a conversation with a paper bag, there’s nothing wrong with your chicken sandwich. There’s just something amazingly right with your chronic.
I laughed at that. And then the cravings returned…
“Gimme a pound of your sweetest cheeba.”
“Something TOLD ME TO BRING A LOTTA WEED!!!”
Hey, it’s Chucky!
Man walking the first batter.. forgetttaaaboutit this game is ovaaa
Is Myers still with his wife after that incident?
I think so.
“One of the top five Curves in the game”? Really? Says who?
Tim McCarver, duh.
Iight top 5 curves right now Jamal?
Not in any particular order:
Felix Hernandez
Ben Sheets
Gavin Floyd
A.J. Burnett
Roy Halladay
Yea that’s a legit list. Myers can rival those guys on a good day but probably not in the top 5.
And there you go, I forgot about Felix and Floyd. Bedard’s got a killer hammer too.
Heh, including King Felix’s name in a list of “top stuff” never fails.
And the talk about Brandon Wood below reminded of two more guy with better curves than Myers: Kerry Wood & John Lackey.
Hmm, I thought about Lackey but everywhere I read they always say he doesn’t have one dominating pitch, just great command of his Fastball, Slider and Curveball.
If you could take 1 pitcher for your staff if your a gm, Felix has to be the guy right ? Young, cost controlled, absolutely filthy and can be a face of your franchise.
Maybe Lincecum.
Ya Lincecum is prob the guy.. If only the Yankees had both of those guys on their staff
Joba Chamberlain and Andrew Brackman may not reach the levels of those dudes even if they reach their full potential, but I’d take those two at their ceilings as a consolation prize.
Mike, wouldn’t you take Felix over Lincecum simply because Felix’s bigger build portends better for the future?
Lincecum is filthy as shit, but at some point he’s going to literally rip his arm clean off at the shoulder, no?
Daniel Bard.
Rich Hill
Verlander
Beckett
I’m not Jamal, but: Halladay, Lilly, Sheets, Burnett, Nolasco, Mussina, Beckett, Greinke, Cliff Lee and Oswalt all have better curves. Myers’ curve is good, but it’s not THAT good.
Oh, do you agree with Keith Law when he says that he’d rather have a pitcher employ a dominating hammer rather than a dominating Changeup? His reason was that the hammer changes planes and the Changeup does not.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Bossman Junior’s in the hoooooooooooouse.
Werth almost “baited” him if the throw was on the bag
Brett Myers has great stuff no ? But he just cant put it all together
He had one of the best arms if not second best right next to Josh Beckett in the 98 draft.
Frank Wren said today he still will not give up top prospects.. Peavy could land somewhere else eh ?
I wonder if Brandon Wood still has enough hype to be the centerpiece of a package from the Halos. I also wonder if they can get a deal done without including Howie Kendrick. I’m sure they would include either Ervin Santana or Joe Saunders in a package with Wood to start discussions for Jake Peavy.
Boy if Im SD why take Wood who won’t stay at SS, has suspect plate disipline and the one thing he does very well at will be negated in Petco.
I’ve read that the Friars aren’t exactly enamored with Kevin Kouzmanoff, so Wood’s inability to stick at Short Stop for the majority of his career wont exactly be a breaking point. Also, I don’t think he’s that bad where he can’t hold down SS admirably in his physical prime.
You’re right about the park effects of Petco, but wouldn’t that ring true for any and every positional player that is discussed in a potential deal?
Well I read some where they wanna move Kahil Greene. Greene hasn’t develop as well as they would like. Im somewhat surprise they don’t Kouzmanoff.
Wood has power but he did hit in the cal league which is a notorious hitter’s league. So his HR production might be misleading.
What worries me about Wood is the plate disipline and all those K’s.
I don’t think there’s any reason to question Wood’s California League production anymore, not after his 2008 showing in Triple-A Salt Lake. He had 54-XBH which included 31-HR.
I think Wood is a stud and I think Wood and one of those starting pitchers should be able to get discussions started and go into real serious discussions maybe add adenhart.. Padres are greedy if they want more than that..
i’m not sure trading Santana for Peavy accomplishes all that much.
Really I think he stays in SD. The best trading partner would be the Dodgers but that most likely will never happen.
Would YOU trade the Ace of your staff to a division rival?
That’s tough. I mean if they have the best package and it’s a good one, and my job as a GM is to help my team get better long term, then maybe yes you make that trade.
If thye could get Kershaw and McDonald in the same deal with some positional talent TOwers has to take that seriously
It may surprise you, but I happen to agree. If a rival is willing to give me a superior package, I wont turn it down. But I will charge them more than I would any other team.
Why don’t the Padres deal Chris Young too ? They are trying to rebuild, maybe they hope he has a good first half without injury and deal him ? Cuz when on Chris Young is awesome but than again its the injuries..I loved when Young and Derek Lee got into it at Wrigley
He’s had some injury troubles, not including the line drive to the face. He’s signed really cheap, so they’re probably better off letting him build up his value for one more year in Petco before trading him.
Plus they need someone to start Opening Day.
Maybe, but ATL is still the best fit. There’s really no rush, you cant make deals until after the WS, and most feel this deal wont happen until the winter meetings.
The Braves are more than one pitcher away though. They’d be wise to keep their prospects.
Especially since the gaffe they made with the Tex trade.
If they didnt make the Tex trade they have the best farm in baseball right ?
IVe read they have 45 mill to spend. If they get Peavy and one of Lowe/Burnett/Garland and either Ibanez or Dunn. They could be rightback in the race dont ya think ? I might be thinking they can sign too many but its not crazy is it ?
tough division, Mets, Phils, and Fish should all be tough next year
Losing Salty, Andrus, and Neftali Perez was dumb. They shouldnt of made that trade in the first place.. Future top SS, a future ace, and a guy like Salty.. Schuerholz fucked up
dont forget Harrison!!! lol
Nice job, Victorino, first-pitch swinging and all.
Sometimes that’s the best one you’ll see. The “get me over” fastball.
I’ve never understood that complaint. Yanks got killed for first pitch swinging this year against guys like Halladay and Burnett. But when you look up their splits, you realize that’s the best chance you have against guys like them. Once they get ahead of you, you’re dead.
Instead of Mike Cameron, Roco Baldellli?
Whoever would be cheaper. But IF BG can put up a 280 avg from CF Id think we will be okay
Doubtful Rocco can be an everyday CF
Yeah, I’m not signing Rocco to be an everyday anything. I love the potential but if we put all our eggs in the Baldelli basket, we’re likely to end up with way more Melky than we want.
Umpires suck.
Kirwan Danley sucks
Oh man, Myers didn’t like that call. His wife is going to get it.
3-0.
If I were her, I’d hide under the bed.
Morbid yet hilarious.
There’s a pic of a Philly fan holding what might be the greatest fan sign ever
“HIT THE MITT-NOT THE WIFE!”
Google “Brett Myers”-its on the NYTimes piece, halfway down the page. I tried posting it 3 times but it keeps getting caught in the spam filter.
I don’t know if my moral sensibilities are shot to hell, but I never think these jokes go too far.
Oh, The Offspring’s “Americana” is fucking awesome. Like every song on that album I can just get hype to, it’s nuts.
One would think swing, no swing wouldn’t be that difficult
Alas, Anne Hathaway is free from the clutches of her ex-boyfriend who will be serving up his asshole for 4 1/2 years.
Alright, have my opening
Dude, she dumped him a while ago. She didn’t even have an issue when questioned by the feds.
I kept telling her that bastard was all wrong for her. But all she did was was scream “Get away from me!”, kept calling the cops on me, getting retraining orders against me.
SEE!! I TOLD YOU SO ANNIE!!!
Why would test Werth’s arm? Should’ve just kept the inning going.
Baldelli = toast
Why does McCarver have a tall chair?
my comment below lol
I was wondering that myself. The only thing I can think of is that his knees are messed up from catching all those years, so he sits higher up to keep them from bending so much for such a long period of time.
I have no idea, just guessing.
It must be a new thing because I’m sure I’ve seen booth shots of him before, and I can’t recall noticing of the sort.
I was going to guess that he has a Mommy fetish, and likes to sit in a high chair and be fed from a baby bottle.
But your idea sounds more plausible.
Lol thats great.. they show him real quick he has a little airplane bib on and Buck is feeeding him gerbers baby food
Man Buck is giving head to McCarver during commercials you see how high his chair is compared to Bucks lol
Take your pick: Logan Morrison or Michael Stanton?
Personally, I’m going for Morrison. He cut his K% and increased his BB% in his bump to High-A. I know he had a .377-BABIP*, but he did have a .070-IsoD. Let’s see how the more advanced pitchers at the High-A level expose Mike Stanton’s swing before we go ga-ga over those thirty-nine dingers.
*-I’ve often wondered, how much credence should be paid to the BABIP statistic at the Minor League levels? When you consider the field conditions of Minor League ballparks and the sub-par defenders, I think we can safely assume this stat (at the Minor League level) doesn’t hold much weight, if any.
I’ll take Matt Domigeuz over both those guys.
Stanton better overall hitter in my opinion. Stats show it too
Dobbs looked lost.
This guy Shields will never make it. His fastball is only around 91 MPH.
Does anyone think Pedro Feliz scares Jamie Shields with runners on 1st and 3rd? That’s what playing the AL East does for you.
David Ortiz was a nobody but playing in the AL East made him a man….maybe or was it that guy with the long hair ?
Good, I believe Jeremy Bleich is scheduled to pitch for the Waikiki Beach Boys in the next three-and-a-half hours. Can’t wait to see what he has as an encore after his superb performance on October 17th (6.2-IP, 3-H, 0-BB, 5-K).
Rocco Balgritty
GritDisease by Rocco Baldelli.
He’s got Muscular Gritstrophy.
Man TB dominating this game
I told you. They’re going to house the Phils. Wait until they get their hands on Moyer and Cupcakes.
Nonononononononono my friend, Blanton wins game 4 hamels wins game 5 myers wins game 6
Jeez, I’d never want to play Joe Maddon in a game of The Show. What a cheese…
Anybody else thinks that Joe Maddon should have had Andy Sonnanstine start his lone game in Tampa? A guy with a career 1.08-HR/9 and 1.31-WHIP does not sound like an ideal fit for a postseason start at Citizen’s Bank Bark. He already has served up two Home Runs in his two postseason starts already.
if the rains push back game 3 they may be able to avoid it
Werth smoking that oooweee.
What a douchebag.
Imagine walking to the dugout after that dumbass move.
This is amazing: http://www.sportsgamer.com/for.....kyard.html
That is scary.
Eight-Legged Freaks !!!!
Yikes.
I am SO not clicking that.
just to think about a spider being that big is scary.. spiders creep me out
Heh, the Rays’ 1B Coach was about to kick Carlos Pena in the mouth if he didn’t get up.
Apparently, Dice-K thinks the Rays cheated: http://tinyurl.com/5v7y8p
The funny thing is that the red sox won that game.
ridiculous
Nice work by Shields.
Phillies, by all means, hit with runners in scoring position. It helps your chances to score.
I love Rocco, but this constant harping on his disease is reaching Lesterian proportions.
Well, he’s from Rhode Island and grew up a Sox fan. RSPN and the MSM are probably just starting to build the legend for his eventual free agent deal he’ll sign in Boston at some point in the future.
Rocco Baldelli & his mitochondrial disease is going to replace Lester & the cancer since the Sox are out of it
Heh, great minds
agreed
This game should not be 4 0
Moyer doesnt have a ring right ? Hes gonna dominate game 3
Geez. Rollins.
Go Deep baby
Cant believe the Knicks wont give D LEe an extension hes the best guy to watch on that team… They shoulda took Bayless or Gordon in the draft but thats a whole nother story
http://basketball.realgm.com/s.....extension/
dude that teams in shambles theyre on the 3 year plan plus they already have 3 pgs nasty nate starbury and now duhon on the team they needed an athletic bigman to run the floor. But not giving lee an extension is weak
Bayless, Gordon, or DJ Augustin is still a better pick espexcially with Dantoni running the show
nah I agree, one of those PG was a better pick than danilo, especially since euros dont always fare so well in the NBA I wanted augistin from texas but they’re in complete rebuild mode, they have a surplus of PG and no big men to run in d’antoni’s system
Of all franchises the Knicks should know this.. They drafted Frederic Weiss after he said he wasnt coming to the NBA cuz he had a girlfriend in France or w.e. They coulda had Ron Artest with that pick who publicly stated he wanted to play for the Knicks and he could be the hometown hero but they took Frederic freakin Weiss with the 15th pick and Artest went to Chicago with the 16th. Not to remind you this is when the Knicks were good and Artest coulda been a huge force with Ewing and Camby that year they made the finals (1999).. but no they took this guy……………………………………..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGNY79Au8nM
here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGNY79Au8nM
this guy never played a game for the knicks by the way, they wasted thier pick, but they did manage to trade for patrick ewing jr for the rights to this guy
Look at how high VC got !!!! God damn thats athletic man.. dude got old but he can still play hes so much fun to watch when hes on his A game
i loved artest dude I wanted him too, his whole St. Johns team was nasty my favorite player from back then was bootsy thornton
I cant believe they passed on him still., he was a stud and stated he wanted to play for you.. hes like the hometown hero every team wants.. but the rockets are gonna be nasty with him yao and tmac hopfully tracy and yao can stay healthy and they will be a force in the west
what’s funny is thats a good case why not to draft him, before getting to the fact that he probably wouldn’t have been very good
First off Gordon is a not a PG whats so ever. He struggles with his ball handle and is a limited passer. He’s a score first player. A SG. Bayless, yes is a PG but he’s a shoot first pass second PG. He wouldn’t fit well with D’antoni.
Gallinari really might be better than all three of those guys in 5 years.
Id bet ya a dollar hes not
He’s a better prospect than Gordon. He shoots better, hndles the ball better, passes better, and has better feel for the game.
Gallinari had some of the best skills in dat draft with his shooting, ball-handling, and passing. and he’s 6′10.
Gallinari is fragile, already has a slipped disc after one quarter in a preseason game. He was just cleared to play a few days ago. I dont think hes going to be that good, hell I hope he turns into Dirk 2 but I highly doubt it
He’s much more tougher than most european player fsrom many scouting reports. Yes he has been injured but if he can be Hideo T. or Kukuc 2.0, that’s pretty damn good.
He needs to be stronger physically though.
isn’t it to keep cap room clear for a run at Lebron?
yeah everything is geared towards the 09 FA market, d wade lebron bosh to name a few
Could be but d lee is d lee lol and he wouldnt cost alot… theyd have plenty of room. But to me to watch Lebron play every night for the Knicks would be awesome
d lee would cost a lot. do you see how overpaid big men are?
Hes not a big man like that. Knicks need to lock this guy up but maybe they are worried bout how he fits in with Dantoni’s offense
Word. Lee is really a marginal starter with little skill. I like Lee but be fair, his game isn’t all that and really is a hustle player.
Bayless wasn’t what the Knicks need; neither is Gallinari for that matter. The Knicks need leaders on that team. They already have the athletes but no floor general. Pass first point guard should be number one on their agenda.
Bayless and Augustin are leaders. One of them or Eric Gordon should be on the Knicks right now instead of Italia
Augustin, yes; Bayless, no. Bayless is a shoot-first point guard who is a terrible passer. Even though Bayless wasn’t what the Knicks needed, I would’ve chosen him and put him at point guard because of his potential. Also, Knick fans need to see results right now and Bayless’s results would come quicker than Gallinari. Augustin is a pass-first point guard who can score if need be. He would be perfect for D’Antoni’s offense. As for Eric Gordon, I think he is a better version of Ben Gordon.
Bayless and Augustin have so much potential. More than that of Galinari. Plus they are perfect fits for Dantoni’s systems
Augustin much better fit than Bayless in that system.
DJ Augistin can ball but his D is suspect, his small, and ya small you betta be a damn great athlete which he isn’t.
Gallinari skill set was one of the best in the draft and he’s 6′10.
When hes in the D-League this season sucking it up you will realize he was the wrong pick for this team, god i hope im wrong but i dont believe he will be that good
These drafts take a couple years to assest. Gallinari might take a while but in 5 years time if he hardness that potential, he’s an All-star type player and fits well under D’antoni system.
All i gotta say Fredericc Weiss
Gallinari has Dirk’s skillset and potential, but who is going to run the offense? Robinson? Marbury? Crawford? Augustin is small but he is what the Knicks needed and he’ll put the players in the right position to score.
The instant Gallinari suits up, he’ll be the second worst defensive player in the league. His scouting report said he had a problem with movement.
I know that D’Antoni doesn’t play a ton of defense, but this could be brutal. The “Big Cock” sounds like a sieve.
He’ll basically need to drop like 30 a night to make up for what he gives up on the other end (just like Eddy Curry.)
Wow im glad you got in this argument, keep backing me up son and we will bring down Ivan together
Yes Gallinari D is questionable but you cannot deny the overall skill set. His shooting, ball-handling and passing and feel for the game at his size is quite unique.
I agree that Gallinari is a great offensive player who will cause matchup problems.
However, he’s a massive defensive liability who all but offsets those matchup problems with the fact that he’s a perfect matchup advantage on the other end.
It adds up to a quality player, but in no way the 6th pick in the draft. For a team that’s trying to slash and burn the forest to make room for Bron-Bron, the player we took in this draft will join with Wilson Chandler and (possibly) David Lee to become the core of the team that Bron is coming here to play with.
If I’m Lebron, as much as I love NY, I don’t really want to play on a team where the second best player on my team is Danilo Gallinari.
Yes I know the D isn’t good but it can be worked on to be at least average. The guy can be a wonderful player on offense. He does things at his size you can’t teach.
Plus, I don’t really wanna consider Lee a core guy. He’s a marginal starter with little skill, and does his work with hustle plays. Chandler is iight but he has to prove more.
Again, to me with the 6th pick with the other options of players, he was the best player arguebaly left.
yesss more price
0-2 on Howard? Throw him four straight sliders off the plate.
The great David Price reliever/starter debate
Howard is Price’s bitch now.. Howard has to wear a skirt game 3 now
ok nerd alert I just got the game spore and its awesome
What was that? I’m sorry Joe Buck, did you say the core of these two teams was built through the draft? That’s preposterous, we all know the only way to win is to sign free agents to long term, big money deals after they’ve already played their best baseball for someone else.
And trade talented prospects for over the hill superstars. That’s how ya win WS rings.
Bust.
Really?
Can’t say I saw that coming.
This kid doesnt have what i takes to be a starter at the major league level
You know that kids a bandwagon fan
That kid looked like a flamboyant neo-Nazi.
You know what I keep thinking of every time I see David Price? (Besides how filthy he is?)
That Phil Hughes is nearly a full year younger than him.
All we need is that bit of hope, thats all we need
But Hughes is a bust so who cares.
so is Bliech
You got a point, but if Price keeps this up he will be a bust too
Price is not a Yankee.
Not a Yankee prospect = not a bust
OH SHIT I TAKE IT BACK PRICE IS A BUST DFA THIS FUCKER IMMEDIATELY.
I wouldnt even pick him up if he got cut.. Let the Sox have him
Yup. He sucks balls.
And Tommy Hanson, Gio Gonzalez and Max Scherzer.
Dont forget Kennedy
No, Kennedy’s a year older than Price.
Max Scherzer is older than Price.
This was in regard to the Phranchise.
oh but Tommy Hansen is younger than Hughes by a couple months.
Whoops.
Adam Dunn & Albert Pujols are younger than Ryan Howard.
Oh God.
Somebody I was reading mentioned Hanson as a 23-year-old. I guess it stuck and I never checked for myself. Silly me, trusting baseball scribes’ “information”.
Kirwan Danley is deaf.
Jimmy Rollins = Alfonso Soriano
staying interesting
At least take a damn pitch, Howard.
I didn’t even have to time to type “so how with Ryan Howard fuck this up.”
“They have the second lowest payroll in baseball, but the Rays were money tonight.”
Oh snap, Craig Sager.
Already better than Kay with the liners
The Tampa Bay Rays have won a World Series Game. This never stops being amazing.
22 LOB, thats Yankeesque
Sad but true.
That can’t be right, that means they left the bases loaded in at least four innings. The most runners a team can leave on base in 9 inning game is 27. You don’t just add up each player’s LOB total to get the team’s LOB total.
Heh, all the ESPN hacks are starting to realize that hey, the Rays are pretty good. They’re all blasting Philly after predicting they’d coast in the series.
James “big fucking game” Shields