World Series Game 3: Rays @ Phillies


Jamie Moyer’s thrown 3,781.2 innings in his Major League career, regular season & postseason combined, but for the first time tonight he’ll take the mound in a World Series game. Matt Garza just wrapped up his first full season in the big leagues, and has thrown just 336.2 big league innings in his career, but like Moyer he’ll be making his first World Series start tonight. Sometimes life just isn’t fair.

Moyer’s last three postseason starts (dating back to ’07, obviously) have gotten progressively worse:

6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K (’07 NLDS Game 3)
4 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 3 K (’08 NLDS Game 3)
1.1 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 0 BB, 2 K (’08 NLCS Game 3)

Matt Garza, on the other hand, has gotten progressively better each time out this postseason:

6 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 4 BB, 4 K (ALDS Game 3)
6 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 5 K (ALCS Game 3)
7 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 9 K (ALCS Game 7)

It’s hard to imagine Garza pitching any better than he did against the Sox six days ago, but stranger things have happened. The cards are stacked against Moyer so severely that this game just might be a reserve lock. That’s why they play the games I guess.

The weather in Philly isn’t looking so hot, but there appears to be a big enough window for them to get the game in. ESPN’s Playoff Blog has an update saying that Rays’ manager Joe Maddon was informed that they hope to start the game at 9:30.

Feel free to use this as an open thread until the game starts. Play nice.

Tampa Bay
1. Akinori Iwamura, 2B
2. BJ Upton, CF
3. Carlos Pena, 1B
4. Evan Longoria, 3B
5. Carl Crawford, LF
6. Dioner Navarro, C
7. Gabe Gross, RF
8. Jason Bartlett, SS
9. Matt Garza, P (11-9, 3.70)

1. Jimmy Rollins, SS
2. Jayson Werth, RF
3. Chase Utley, 2B
4. Ryan Howard, 1B
5. Pat Burrell, LF
6. Shane Victorino, CF
7. Pedro Feliz, 3B
8. Carlos Ruiz, C
9. Jamie Moyer, P (16-7, 3.71)

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Mike A. says:

    Damn … slow night.

  2. Ivan says:

    Well whats up people, is there anything that I miss today?

  3. Steve says:

    Smoltz To Take Clemens Approach?
    By Tim Dierkes [October 25 at 9:18am CST]

    Jesse Spector of the New York Daily News talked to John Smoltz’s agent, Keith Grunewald. Smoltz, of course, would love to finish his career in Atlanta. The Braves figure to make an effort to re-sign him, but it’s not a lock. Smoltz could be ready in May or June following shoulder surgery, and could sign late with a contender as Roger Clemens did a few years ago. It’s not known whether he’ll start or relieve.


    Wow, thats interesting. I thought he only wanted to play for ATL. If this had happened this year, we could have picked him up after Wang went down. Or the Mets could have picked him up when Wagner went down. He could be a huge wild card to be hanging out there for a contender next year.

    • Steve says:

      Another tidbit from that same story

      “Atlanta, coming off its first 90-loss season since 1990, when Smoltz was a budding star, will not trade its top prospects – seeming to quash rumors of a deal for Jake Peavy”


      That’s nothing new, but the Padres must be wondering who the heck they’re going to trade Peavey to that is on his list. The Astros aren’t a fit (no farm system) the Cubbies and Cards aren’t a fit talent wise. That leaves . . . . ?? Somebody tell me.

      This is why I dont count the Yanks out, despite his lukewarm desire to come here. The Yanks have what the Padres want, so you figure after Towers shops around if the Yankee offer is the best one on the table, he may want to twist his arm a bit to accept a deal. The Yanks can pick up his 22 mil option to sweeten the pot as well.

      • Mike A. says:

        I saw an interesting 3-way trade proposal the other day.

        Astros get Jake Peavy
        Rays get Hunter Pence
        Padres get Wade Davis, Reid Brignac, JR Towles

        It’s not perfect, but it makes sense for everyone. A little tweaking and it could work.

        • Steve says:

          That does make sense, but those 3-way deals seem to have a way of breaking down. Threesomes are every mans fantasy, but someone always backs out at the last minute for some silly reason.

          . . . . wait, are we still talking about baseball?

      • Ivan says:

        I think Peavy is staying with the Pods. Really the team with the best package is in their own division and they ain’t trading Peavy to the Dodgers.

        Really if you think about, he’s really gonna start the 09 season with San Diego.

        • Mike A. says:

          Considering their situation, it would be dumb of the Pads to not trade Peavy to Dodgers if they offer them the best package. If they offer a package highlighted by Kemp and McDonald, how could they pass on that?

          • Ivan says:

            I said it like a couple days ago, it’s always a tough decision to trade within your division. That said, if the team within your division has the best package and it’s a pretty good one, and your job as a GM is to improve the team long term, they you make that trade.

            If Im the Pods, I want Kershaw and Kemp together. For crying out loud, Im giving you Peavy and im trading within the division to make you better. I want some damn good pieces back.

            • Steve says:

              That’s way too much. Kershaw + some good minor leaguers is a killer package right there.

              I’ve heard the Dodgers are down on Kemp. He’s not happy there, doesn’t always hustle, clubhouse issues, stuff like that. Sounds like their version of Cano. Uber-talented with questions about makeup.

      • Ivan says:

        Plus, the yanks wanna acquire a pitcher in the FA market and just lose money rather money and talent. The only reason if they try to trade for Peavy is if they whiff on CC, Burnett and Lowe.

        Something tells me Burnett is gonna be a yankee. I just have that feeling.

        • Steve says:

          I agree, I have mixed feelings about Peavey for a bunch of reasons. But you’d have to do some serious tire-kicking on that one. If he’s available for IPK-Gardner-Bruney (or something similar) I go for it.

          Plus, don’t be so sure we can always get the guy we want by throwing a ton of money at him. The Yanks wined and dined Greg Maddux and offered him the moon, but he still chose ATL. It happens, and more than we all like to think.

  4. Mike A. says:

    It’s about time the Rangers scored on the power play.

  5. Steve says:

    “Holliday Derby Begins
    By Tim Dierkes [October 25 at 10:12am CST]

    According to Troy E. Renck of the Denver Post, the Rockies have made it known to rival executives that left fielder Matt Holliday is available. Renck names the Red Sox, Phillies, Angels, Mets, Royals, and Nationals as potential suitors.”


    Looks like its going to be an interesting off season.

    • Ivan says:

      Why the hell would the Royals and Nats be interested in Holliday?

      • Mike A. says:

        Bad teams are allowed to have good players too. It makes zero sense for them, but if they want him and offer a package the Rox like, good or them.

        • Ivan says:

          I understand what ya saying. Hey the Royals and Nats want Holliday then fine, try to get em. Nevertheless, is a smart move in you look at the big picture? Answer is no.

          • E-ROC says:

            Probably not, but maybe those teams value the draft picks that they’ll receive in compensation. I guess it could be worth a shot depending on the package given up.

          • Steve says:

            Was it smart for the Brewers to get CC? Answer is yes.

            I think the Royals are closer than the Nats are, but a big bat like his could make a huge difference for either team.

            Teams do go from last place to first these days . . .

            • Ivan says:

              There’s a difference. The Brewers were much better team than the Royals and Nats. Plus, the Brewers for the last two seasons were contenders in the NL.

              Even the Rays had more talent than the Royals or Nats. Holliday ain’t gonna make that big of difference especially to a team that loss 100 games. Can I see the royals, maybe, but why don’t they just built from within.

      • Steve says:

        Especially since Holliday’s a rental. Boras client, so you know he’s going free agent.

        But they might look at what the Brewers did this year and think they could do something similar with a big bat. That would be my guess.

    • christopher says:

      coulndt standhim going to the red sox and hearing about how they have another gutty gritty player….surprised the yankees arent interested

  6. E-ROC says:

    When is the next chat Mike?

  7. Mike R. says:

    Open question to kill time:

    If we could land anyone in baseball for a package of Hughes, A-Jax and Montero Who would the player be?

  8. Mike A. says:

    Freddy Sjostrom for Prez.

  9. Mike A. says:

    So are we getting baseball tonight, or what?

  10. Ivan says:

    Boy this will boost the ratings for this WS game uh?

  11. Steve says:

    WTF is up with this music?

  12. Steve says:

    The flyin Hawaiian!

    How do you leave out a nickname like that?

  13. Mike A. says:

    I never noticed this before, but Joe Buck’s nose is pretty freaking crooked.

  14. Ivan says:

    So this game is not gonna end until 1:00 AM? Great.

  15. Mike A. says:

    Wow, looks like a big zone tonight. Guess the umps don’t want to stick around very long.

  16. Mike A. says:

    Haha, they’re chanting “EEEEEEEVA EEEEEEEVA”

  17. Kyle says:

    man they have been BRUTAL with RISP….

  18. Alex says:

    Whats Garza throw along with the fastball? What McCarver was calling a curve during the pregame did not look like a curve…

  19. Mike A. says:

    Wow. Jamie Moyer got that call.

  20. Alex says:

    What do you guys make of the ‘Cano for Cain’ movement at nomaas, putting aside for the moment that it would be very unlikely as a one for one….

    • Mike A. says:

      I’d make that trade in a heartbeat. The Giants wouldn’t though. They have no reason to trade him, so if you want him you’ll have to offer a package of 3 or 4 good young players.

    • Ivan says:

      That trade would never happen and is just wishful thinking on their part. Put it this way, if NoMass were Giant fans they wouldn’t trade Cain for Cano. It’s really more fantasy.

  21. Ivan says:

    Howard is an absolute strikeout.

  22. Mike A. says:

    Johnny Damon would have had that ball. Defense is important.

  23. s says:

    how about that ariticle that suggest the yanks payroll to be around 250 mil sigining pettite, mussina, sabathia, burnett, ramirez, and teixeira any chance this happens im geussing not

  24. Mike A. says:

    Garza’s settling down. Uh oh Philly fans.

  25. Mike A. says:

    Great play by Bartlett. If Tampa has even just avg fielders at first and short, then it’s probably 1st and 3rd with no outs.

  26. Alex says:

    Its become a trite point by now, but from watching so many ground balls get by Jeter through the middle, I am always amazed when a good shortstop (Bartlett) gets to a ball I expected to be a hit.

  27. pat says:

    watching pitchers hit is so awesome

  28. Ivan says:

    The yankee D obviously has to improve but it’s alot easier said than done and really that D will have to improve from within.

    I think signing Doug M. would help. Cano has the potential to be very good. LF and CF are good.

    Can the yanks have a solid D team next season?

  29. s says:

    the link is http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=0

    this would definitelybring number 27

  30. pat says:

    i wish we signed blake monar

    • Alex says:

      Lane Meyer really loved that kid. Whats he up to now? I saw DamonOP said the scouts/checkers really saw a red flag in his velocity as the summer wore on, which seemed to quiet Lane a bit about him. It did sound like he drew a really positive comp in Christian Friedrich..

      • pat says:

        yea his velo was a problem in the last game he played but he was coming off strep or mono and hadnt pitched in (WOW do throws to 2nd get any better than that??) a few weeks. I hope he doesnt come back to bite us projectable lefties with 2 plus breaking balls dont come by very often. I think he usually sat in the mid to high eighties but during that last tournament game he was low eighty high seventy

        • Jared says:

          Sat high 80s, low 90s in Big Ten tournament last year. He will be eligible for 2010 draft, so we will see if we go back after him or not. I hope we do!

  31. Mike A. says:

    You do not run on the Pudgito.

  32. Alex says:

    Pudgito for the win!

  33. Ivan says:

    Nice hitting by Werth.

  34. s says:

    it would be nice to have a batting order of damon jeter teixeira arod manny matsui cano nady cabrera

    but impossible

  35. pat says:

    upton the glider

  36. Alex says:

    Matt “Spit Snowflakes” Garza, trying seeing the fastball through a saliva shower

  37. Mike A. says:

    Man, Upton’s really impressive out there. He covers so much ground in so few strides.

  38. Ivan says:

    Howard is gonna K here.

  39. s says:

    howards looking alot like adod right now

  40. Ivan says:

    Victory for Howard, he made contact.

  41. pat says:

    i really wish i hadnt read that lupica article now im stewing in rage

  42. Ivan says:

    Speaking of A-Rod, anybody saw that commercial with him, Kobe, Tony Hawk and Phelps for the Gitaur Hero game. Shit is quite funny.

  43. s says:

    i dont see carlos pena and dioner navarro as huge losses for the yanks

  44. pat says:

    this is an actual paragraph from that clown emphasis my own:
    The Yankees need starting pitching, need a big stick at first base, need a real bench, probably need a corner outfielder, because it sure doesn’t sound as if Bobby Abreu is coming back. There is great hope in the organization that Brett Gardner can be a Jacoby Ellsbury for them, or a Shane Victorino, but nobody knows if Gardner will ever hit enough. And even if he does hit, two outfield spots are already locked in with Xavier Nady and Johnny Damon (Hideki Matsui is the DH).

  45. Alex says:

    I really want Wendys. And I miss Chevy Chase… anyone see him do the weekend update a few months back? The world needs another ‘Vacation’ movie

  46. Mike A. says:

    Damn yo. That pitch had a nice little wrinkle in it.

  47. Ivan says:

    Wow only Feliz would K on a pitch like that.

  48. Steve says:

    Mike Mussina will sign with the Phillies next year as part of their youth movement.

  49. s says:

    watching the rays rise to power wouldnt it be nice for the yanks to just sit on their roster this year and still make it to the WS
    miranda at first
    gardner/melky in center

  50. s says:

    watching the rays rise to power wouldnt it be nice for the yanks to just sit on their roster this year and still make it to the WS
    miranda at first
    gardner/melky in center
    hughes/kennedy in the rotation
    coke in the pen

    i would love it except it wouldnt be that exciting

  51. Mike Pop says:

    Moyer ?

  52. pat says:

    If calvin johnson was on a team with at least an average O line and an average quarterback how many touchdowns would he score? A hundred? A thousand? He could be the best receiver in the league if he wasnt on the lions

  53. Mike A. says:

    You know how they say the ball sounds different coming off some player’s bats? Yeah…


  54. Mike A. says:

    Time to steal Bossman.

  55. Ivan says:

    Wow I thought that was gone.

  56. Mike A. says:

    Tim McCarver thought Jamie Moyer’s tongue was really funny. Like really funny.

  57. Ivan says:

    Wow talk about a 2 run swing there. Longoria just miss a homer, and Utley hit one.

  58. Mike A. says:

    Niiiiiiice bunt by Crawford. Gotta start working the pinch hitters this inning.

  59. joe says:

    He was out, but ill take it.

  60. Ivan says:

    TB has something cookin.

  61. Mike A. says:

    Man, what the hell is Manuel thinking. Get Madson up, why screw around with freaking Clay Condrey or Scott Eyre?

  62. Ivan says:

    Nice play Howard.

  63. Mike A. says:

    Those two homers loom large now.

  64. joe says:

    They probabaly needed to extend that rally there. Disappointing that they couldn’t squeeze a base hit out of 2nd an 3rd 0 out

  65. Mike A. says:

    Aww look, the LOOGY pumped his fist. How cute.


  66. joe says:

    How does one decide that they can’t throw overhand and must throw underhand to be effective?

  67. Mike A. says:

    Geoff Jenkins really toned down his stance/swing. He used to have a real big bat waggle, and would swing out of his shoes.

  68. Mike A. says:

    You know what I miss this WS? Craig Sager’s suits.

  69. pat says:

    moyer looks like a young tom hanks in that picture up top.

  70. pat says:

    kids you can be big and strong if you eat at mcdonalds, just like dwight howard!

  71. Mike A. says:

    This is getting interesting. Upton’s gotta try to steal here, no?

  72. joe says:

    That’s really fast

  73. joe says:

    I thought mcdonalds was making me fat, wgo knew?

  74. Ivan says:

    Pena really went?

  75. pat says:

    wow speed kills, gardner for CF

  76. Ivan says:

    Tie Game.

  77. Ivan says:

    Who you got:

    Gardner or Ellsbury?

  78. inman says:

    go rays- kick phillys tail. also as a hockey fan the rangers will have a tough time catching up to the habs this year

  79. Mike A. says:

    Man, don’t bring Balfour in. He’s going to give up a walk-off job, it;s inevitable.

  80. Ivan says:

    Wow Utley, you knew he was throwing a ball there.

  81. pat says:

    worth looks like he used to be a pitcher, definately not an outfielder

  82. inman says:

    beauty of the game

  83. Mike A. says:

    Wow. Just wow. Inexcusable Werth.

  84. joe says:

    Don’t go back to the dugout, go leave through the outfield fence

  85. Ivan says:

    The world is in good shpae when Howard k’s.

  86. Mike A. says:

    JP Howell comes in, faces 2 batters – both of whom happen to be amongst the best hitters in baseball – and gets three outs.


  87. Ivan says:

    Mike can ya start a new thread? My think is slowing down a bit.

  88. Ivan says:

    Balfour is gonna screw this up.

  89. Mike A. says:

    Fucking terrible. Game over.

  90. Mike A. says:

    Gotta walk the bases loaded here. Hope for a K, then maybe a DP.

  91. Mike A. says:

    Balfour’s not going to be able to throw a strike after IBB’ing two guys. Classic problem.

  92. pat says:

    if by some chance this works and they get outta the inning we will never ever ever hear the end of this

  93. Ivan says:

    Gee Mike, Balfour might really walk the winning run.

  94. pat says:

    haha tim mcarver is cool enough to actually say FTW

  95. Mike A. says:

    So much for my “the Rays will only lose the games Hamels starts” prediction.

    • Steve says:

      Yeah, after getting a good nights sleep and soaking this in it looks like the Phillies are set up beautifully now to win this series. It might not even get back to Tampa. They’re home for the next two, tonights game is a complete toss up and then they have Hamels and Myers going.

  96. Ivan says:

    Wow, what a way to end the game. You got ya grounder and still loss.

  97. inman says:

    knocked the hell out of the ball

  98. E-ROC says:

    Go Phillies!

  99. Mike A. says:

    Man, that ball might have gone foul if E-Long lets it go.

    • inman says:

      slow night[ see 1st post]- good luck tomorrow. or i should say later this evening- no football please- i read this for baseball. actually i dont give a rats ass- the lions are super bowl bound

  100. Steve says:

    Given the pitching match up, the Phils had no business winning this game but they did. It reminds me of something that we don’t like to get into (because it sounds like making excuses) but who is behind the plate has an ENORMOUS impact on who wins and who loses these games. Its the difference between a guy “painting the corners” all night long or falling behind and getting tattooed when he comes in. Especially for a pitcher like Moyer, the home plate umpire is very often the difference between a good and a horrible outing.

  101. Stevie says:

    This is Stevie – half of the children’s entertainers Sandi & Stevie. We are the writers of the Fishy Fishy Fishy song played at the Philly stadium in the World Series Game 3 pre-game show. The song is from our Sealife Songs CD (http://www.sandiandstevie.com/.....yrics.html).

    Sandi and I are quite amused (and excited) to have our Fishy Fishy Fishy song played at the World Series. It was quite a surprise and we have no idea who chose it or why it was chosen. But it’s fun all the same. Hope you liked it (-:


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