World Series Game 5: Rays @ Phils … again
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We all know what happened Monday, there’s no need to go back over that. What we’re looking at tonight is a three-and-a-half inning mad dash to the finish, almost a sudden death baseball game.
The game will resume in the bottom of the 6th inning, tied at two. The pitcher’s spot is due up for Philly, so they’ll presumably announce a pinch hit for starter Cole Hamels. Grant Balfour is still in the game for Tampa, and was already announced in the 5th inning, so if Charlie Manuel goes to a lefty pinch hitter, Joe Maddon can counter with a lefty reliever without Balfour having to face one hitter first.
When the Rays come to back in the top of the 7th, Dioner Navarro will lead off, with the pitcher’s spot due up fourth in the inning. Philadelphia has a major advantage tonight because they have 12 outs to play with while Tampa only has 9.
The game should be a blast tonight, all the excitement of a postseason nail-biter finish without the drag of he first six innings. Brad Lidge hasn’t thrown more than one inning in an outing all season, but with everything on the line tonight, I suspect you’ll see him out there at the first hint of trouble in the 8th. David Price is available for multiple innings, and it’s pretty much a forgone conclusion that Tampa’s season will be decided when he’s on the mound.
First pitch is scheduled for 8:37pm, and this one might be over by 10. Imagine that.
Tampa Bay
6. Dioner Navarro, C
7. Rocco Baldelli, RF
8. Jason Bartlett, SS
9. Pitcher
1. Akinori Iwamura, 2B
2. Carl Crawford, LF
3. BJ Upton, CF
4. Carlos Pena, 1B
5. Evan Longoria, 3B
Philadelphia
9. Pitcher
1. Jimmy Rollins, SS
2. Jayson Werth, RF
3. Chase Utley, 2B
4. Ryan Howard, 1B
5. Pat Burrell, LF
6. Shane Victorino, CF
7. Pedro Feliz, 3B
8. Carlos Ruiz, C
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I’ll juggle this game with the Knick game.
Go Knicks!!!!
Gallinari: 0/2 FG, He’s a bust. BUST!!!
I’m trying to sit through the Knicks so I can avoid this Barack Obama commercial, but it’s a lose-lose situation. My eyes … the goggles do nothing!!!
Hater.
I don’t support McCain either. I dunno which idiot I’m going to vote for this year.
Write in “Derek Jeter”
Works for me.
What’s up with Marbury? Why isn’t he playing? He’s the only player on the team I know anything about.
Marbury is allright, it’s just that he’s not D’Antoni’s fav player lets say. Plus, after that debacle last season with Marbury they really want him gone as possible. That is much easier said than done considering his contract status.
He’ll probably play, hell he’s there best PG. Nevertheless, Marbury is Isiah Thomas seeds that need to be gone.
One more thing, big shout out to Shaun Livingston who is making his season debut with the Heat. Good to see him back from that injury playing again.
Whether your basketball fan or baseball fan, as sport fans we should be rooting for a guy like Livingston who came back from one of the worst if not the worst injuries I,ve ever seen. Good for him.
And Greg Oden’s out a month.
That’s what happens when you draft a 40-year-old 20-year-old.
Game over by 10pm!!! wow now if only they could start ws games at 7 like normal and they could all be over around then
Hey Mike, Who the hell is Mike Jones? Pete Abe brought his name up and he was some Wide Reciever for Arizona State. Can ya tell me about him?
Org. guy, nothing to see.
Hydroplaning!@**!*!!!@@@!!!
Not everyone loves those cute lovable Rays Game 5 received an 8.2 rating and 12 share the previous low for a game 5 -10.0/17. It was the rain? NOT
This World Series is 20 percent behind the current record low for a full World Series.
Looks like most of American wants this shit to end to night.
LOL
Good job BUD !!!!!!
It’s not Bud’s fault. It was a no win situation. If they don’t start the game, people would complain. If they stopped it earlier, people would complain. Stop blaming him for everything that’s wrong in baseball.
George W. should have been given the commish job
The MLB may have ended up like the NHL if George W. was the commish. Let’s just say his track record of success hovers in the Isiah Thomas/Scott Layden range.
LMAO
It’s not the time its who is playing. I think in general Bud has done a good job, but helping to support teams that can’t even support themselves is stupid. I could see it if you had 20 teams in the league, but you don’t. The Rays are not what is right in baseball they are what is wrong with it.
What the hell is Selig supposed to do about a rain storm that happens? Fine Mother Nature?
“It was the rain? NOT
This World Series is 20 percent behind the current record low for a full World Series.”
Read the whole comment
It interesting that baseball popularity is suppose to be at an all time high, but WS ratings so low
Jamal Crawford is just bustin that ass.
Man this game feels so odd. Really odd.
Agreed. Balfour’s gonna fuck this up, Howell will have to bail him out.
See?
You maybe right.
Why the hell you are bunting with Rollins?
Especially in the first inning!!!
Walk Werth to set up the DP?
To get to Utley? Nah.
Not enough AkiGrit.
God I hate it when managers play the infield in.
This game just got wierder.
So much for this vaunted defense, even though that pop up was tough.
How does Maddon not put in his best arm to start the inning or at least a lefty?
There are 12 outs to go! Hes a disaster as an in game manager.
He’d lose Price in the next inning when the pitcher’s spot came up though.
Then why he didn’t he save him if that’s the case?
And you guys complain about Girardi.
Why would he lose him? He could bat him unless it was 2nd and 3rd 1 out or bases loaded no out. He’d bunt him with anyone on anyway.
It’s the seventh inning already, you gotta get a pinch hitter in there, especially in a close game. A pitcher is an automatic out, and they can’t afford to give those away for free at this point.
True, Im just saying I hope he doesn’t watse Price knowing that the pitcher spot is coming next inning.
And they are going to lose Howell anyway here.
So why not just start your better pitcher?
One run here can mean the game.
I cannot believe they will lose this game because he doesn’t go for the lefty again. Didn’t he learn from his past mistake in the ALCS?
Plus Howell and Price are better than Balfour.
I’m sure Joe Maddon has a Dr Suess or Steven Covey quote on his wall that covers this situation.
Price should have been “Starting” this game. Its do ordie, and I think he chose die.
I’d chose “ordie” myself.
Maddon isn’t managing like its or die.
You go with Price and smoke them 1-2-3 than you deal with the pitcher spot coming up in the top of the inning when it happens.
It’s been that type of series for the Rays, Werth was potentially picked off instead steals second.
Yes, the Rays execution of simple plays has been hideous in this series.
Werth has such long legs he gets to 2B in about 5 steps.
You go Madson two innings here?
Hells freakin’ yeah.
I wonder if Charlie has the balls to use Lidge for two. He hasn’t thrown more than one inning at the time all year.
9 outs between Madson, Romero and Lidge.
That is why you start Price in the btm of the 6th. Worrying about the pitcher batting and pinch hitters is worthless.
Yo Rocco!
Booya.
Geez. Maddon gets off the hook.
The Italian Stallion Badelli.
Baldelli just made all of the greater Philly area throw up their cheesesteaks. After McCarver just gave Madson announcer sex.
Announcer Sex. Awesome.
Jeterian swing by Rocco. Pulled his hands in and catapulted it.
WTF, why is Howell still in there?
Here you go, free out. We only have 8 left, but it’s okay, you can have it as a gift.
Wow. Madson out.
You know if the Yanks were in the situation the Phils were in, would the yanks ever let Mo pitch 3 innings?
He pitched 3 innings in the Aaron Boone game
That was pure necessity. The only guy left in the pen after Mo was Contreras.
This is Game 7 for the Rays.
Price should have got the ball right away and got 9 outs.
You know, you just had consecutive hits and now you have your pitcher bunt the runner over with one out already in the books? The Phillies are on their heels after the Baldelli HR, sort of, and ya let them off the hook. Gotta love Maddon.
Lets be real here, how many managers are good in-game managers?
I swear, none of them. Maddon’s out-thinking himself.
This post season has seen a huge number of bone head in game managerial decisions.
From Scioscia’s to Manuel to Maddons to Torre to Pinella.
Scioscia may have had the worst in game decision in years in a post season game. and hes considered the best in the biz.
Girardi’s good.
He’s like the Anti-Torre. Good in game, good with the bullpen, horrible in dealing with the media.
How is Girardi good? Because he handled a bunch of average middle relievers?
That makes him good?
You can come up with a laundry list of the bonehead moves he made.
Not really. You can nitpick any move, especially after the fact if it doesn’t work out. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t the right move.
The only huge problem I had with him in-game was early on when Moose pitched to Manny. Other than that, I thought he was good.
The “PR Pudge & PH Melky” move in Texas is #1 on the dumb managerial moves top 10 list.
Pitching to Manny with 1st open showed he was out of his element. How many here would have done that?
How many would have continued to play Melky after April 20?
Girardi also didn’t have any “wow” moments where you go “this guy gets it and really knows how to manage”.
I’m sure everyone has a fave with every manager.
At least this Joe is trying . . . .
This just makes Maddons move of leaving in Balfour all the more head scratching. He’s going to be critiqued on that one win or lose this game.
And Manuel not going to Durbin or Romero in the 7th like he did all yr will be as well.
WTF?
I … I … I dunno.
WTF is Bartlett doing????? There is the Rays most indispensable player. MVP.
I think the 3B coach sent him. I didn’t get a good look during the replay.
For a team that played the fundamentals so well this yr the Rays have looked comical in this series and in the LCS.
David Price had a good view of that shot.
BurGrit
Apparently, David Price walked into Maddons office and told him that under no circumstances will he pitch tonight. No matter how much Joe wants him to.
Jamal Crawford is a pretty good player when he plays under control and smart.
Ladies and Gentlemen, one of the last remaining Knick fans in the world. They are rarer than bald eagles. Take a good look and cherish it.
I agree wholeheartedly. For the 79 minutes per year that Jamal Crawford plays under control and smart, he is indeed a pretty good player.
Be fair though, he has alot of talent, it’s the reckless plays that have held him back. I think D’Antoni could help him somewhat.
He was the Knicks best player last season, which isn’t saying much but still.
Meaning he gets over 100k per productive, under control minutes. Technically it might be more than that as he can hurt the team outside of those 79 minutes.
I will say this, I am surprise didn’t go for three. If he gone hard out of the box, despite his subpar speed he could of been on 3rd base no.
Wow even McCarver is saying the bunt doesn’t work here.
Why do these boneheads insist on giving away free outs??
He can’t hit a fly ball or a ground out to 2b? Why not go for the base hit and get a big inning?
I just don’t get it.
Guys, i know its only the first game against a bad Heat team, but if nothing else the Knicks will be fun to watch and root for this season!!!!
At least the knicks will be interesting. You got Danilo Gallinari, who’s got potential.
Crawford is a good player when he plays under control and smart.
D’Antoni system will improve the offense.
If the Knicks can win, 35-38 Games, I’d take that no?
Id take it in a heartbeat.
I’d be utterly shocked if the Knicks won 35-38 games. A McCain victory coupled with the Republicans regaining both the House and the Senate is more likely than the Knicks winning more than 33 games.
Gallinari has potential. Crawford is a good player when he plays under control and smart. D’Antoni’s system will improve the offense. And they’ll still give up 117 points, get absolutely murdered on the boards, and give up at least 10 SportsCenter highlight-worthy fastbreak dunks for their opponents every single night.
Yea but the Eastern Conference is still the Eastern Conference. Has it improve yeah, but not much. You really got 5 legit really good teams in the East. Bos, Cle, Det, Phi, Orl and oh yea Tor. The rest of the competition is lousy.
The Hawks won less than 40 games and made the playoffs.
Hey, winning 35 games shouldn’t really be an uphill climb no.
Boston, Cleveland, Detroit, Philly, Orlando, Toronto, Miami (with Marion, Beasley, and a healthy Wade), and Chicago with (Rose, Gordon, and Deng) will all annihilate the Knicks. And we’re probably not better than Indiana, Washington, or Milwaukee either. And we’ll also probably go 0-for-the Western Conference. Every single team in the league that has at least one actual scorer is a potential loss, because we will turn 25ppg guys into 40ppg guys. Only the Bobcats and Grizzlies are legit wins.
Seriously, if you ranked all 30 NBA teams in order of their defensive ability, where would the Knicks rank? 27th? 28th?
Eric Gordon of the Clippers and Kevin Durant of Oklahoma will both drop 50 on this team. Watch.
Disagree with ya there. Miami has a big hole at the PG position and a bigger hole at C.
Chicago has no interior presence and rely too much on Guard play. Pretty Flawed team.
Mil outside of Redd and Jefferson are not good period. Indiana are not that good and Wash are not gonna have Arenas and Heyward for a couple months.
And those teams teams I,ve mention play poor D too.
Again outside of Bos, Cle, Det, Philly, Orl and Tor, the East is pretty flawed. Hell Im not to fond of Orl and Tor but hey they are a legit top 6 team in the East.
BTW, i dont think you could rip Burrell’s effort on his double. He wasnt busting it but he wasnt doing a Manny or Soriano either. Nevermind his run scored anyway….
I could have sworn I saw the ump signal ground rule double. Why, I have no idea.
Bringing the IF in again. FAIL
The Rays only got themselves to blame. An elimination game and they use 3 pitchers before their best and most electric arm.
They probably should just have used Shields at this point since lose and go home.
Man on 3rd 1 out and they leave in a ground ball pitcher who can’t strike anyone out with an electric arm out in the pen against the btm of the order.
On a scale from 1-10 I’m pretty sure “electric” is the most over-used description evarrrr.
Give me a word for Price’s arm and stuff.
Great, fantastic, unreal, nasty
But hey keep him in the pen because they may need him in extra innings or in 2009.
It’s not the 8th inning yet. Jeez. GET WITH THE TIMES.
You only use your youngest/best/most electric arms IN THE 8TH INNING. He’d be a waste in any other inning.
How come the Price in the bullpen or rotation debate doesn’t lead sportscenter 3x a week? Oh wait, is it because it’s so obvious that he belongs in, and will be a part of the rotation, even though they already have a deep rotation? And considering they don’t have God as their closer, where is that debate?
Price isn’t a Yankee. So the MSM has no compelling reason to try and convince the Tampa organization and fanbase to make horridly stupid moves, because they’re okay with Tampa winning.
Thanks for clearing that up, I couldn’t quite put my finger on it.
Arm-Greatastic
Stuff-Unrealsty
On a scale from 1-10 I’m pretty sure “electric” is the most over-used description evarrrr.
On a scale of 1-10, I’m pretty sure that “on a scale of 1-10″ is the most overused phrase
everevarrrr.I’m also pretty sure that your comment didn’t really make much sense since “most over-used description evarrrr” isn’t really a number that can be quantified on a 1-10 scale.
That was the point.
I was going to follow it up with a “Yes I know…” but I figured the “evarr” would handle that.
Holy Schnikees. The Akimeter:
Low Effort …………………….|…. Balls to the Wall
Aki Iwamura = Isuro Tanaka
Damn, that Iwamura has almost as much range as Jeter.
Game is on the line, who do you use?
Chad Bradford, that’s who.
Proven Veteran™
I like seeing 24 promos much more than Frank TV.
If Im Manuel, I’ll get Lidge ready as soon as trouble brews up.
He just went 3-1 to Crawford, why bother taking a pitch BJ?
And he went 3-0 to Pena too. Sigh.
Way to take a pitch there BJ!
Way to let the fastest guy in the game get to 2b!
Does Maddon have money on Philly or a flight to catch?
Maybe now he’ll use his best arm.
Lidge is due for one of these:
http://i15.photobucket.com/alb....._Owned.jpg
It gets me everytime lol.
Bad time for Upton to pull his 2008 Cano impersonation.
Also known as the 2008 BJ Upton regular season impersonation.
EIGHTH INNING WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
david price looks like a younger and less blind version of governor paterson.
Both of those things are awesome, since he’s a baseball player. Old, legally blind baseball players tend not to be good.
BTW-Gov Patterson is a HUGE baseball fan. Calls in to WFAN on occasion and actually knows his shit.
Thats a pretty fantastic observation. They have similar dispositions too.
yea, i couldnt quite figure out who price reminded me of… but it just came to me so i thought i’d share.
Don’t you find it a bit poetic that we have a blind Gov in NYS?
But compared to the governors we’ve had before, he’s AWESOME. Both Dems and Reps love him, because he tells the truth to everyone and demands that the state be fiscally responsible.
He’s the Maverick that McCain pretends to be.
OK, OK.
I was just trying for the old “Blind leading the blind” line without being too obvious.
Got here late but all that knick talk bout them playoff team…maybe next year once they draft curry out of davidson
I didn’t say they make the playoffs.
Curry isn’t all that period. Knicks can do Much better. Much Better.
Ya probably another European who will be as good as Danillo
Iight. Just watch. Danilo will prove the doubters wrong.
What he will score 8 points a game ?
Ha, Ha, Ha, you’ll eat crow soon. Well Hopefully.
If Lidge ices them out right here in the 9th, who’s the series MVP? Howard? Hamels? Lidge? Joe Maddon? Dan Uggla, for booting grounders in the AS game and giving the AL home field advantage? Vacant?
Gotta be Hamels I’d think.
Ryan Howard but Uggla could be the wildcard
Alright, while we’re waiting for Brad Lidge to strike out everyone while throwing only sliders….
Prince Fielder for a package headlined by Philip J. Hughes… (I don’t know whats in the rest of the ‘package’)
What do we think?
Hells no. I wouldn’t trade Hughes for Fielder’s fat ass.
Keep Hughes, get Dunn or Tex to man first
No. Fielder’s fat, can’t defend, and his SLG dropped over 100 pts this year.
no. prince will be a dh very soon or a horrible fielding 1st baseman. plus, it’s always easier to find position players on the free agent market, not young cheap pitching.
Why is Hughes included in trades for 1b?
He wasnt moved for an ace in his prime. Now he goes for a 1b?
Im on board, I only worry that Im among those that overvalues Phil 150X.
Yea, terrific call Joe Maddon with making sure Price finally got in. Managers can choke too. Ask Grady Little.
It all comes down to this. Oy vay.
Don’t worry, Price handled the 8th. TB should be set now.
Most important inning of the game no? If not, it’s at least much more important than the 1st seven innings.
I’d have to say so. If Price weren’t there to hold them down in the 8th, this could very easily be a 5-3 or even 6-3 game instead of 4-3. He kept them in there, no doubt about it.
So if the Yankees do get Sabathia, it’s for the 8th inning correct? Move Joba to the 7th. Leave God in the 9th to mop up.
Negative. If they sign Sabathia, you alternate him with Joba everyday to make sure the 8th inning is locked down.
I know, I know, it makes too much sense. You’ll be thanking me for clarifying in no time.
I smell 162-0. No matter what happens in the first 7 innings, with that kind of usage of your best pitchers, like Parker Lewis, we can’t lose.
Synchronize Swatches!
So Mike, what you gotta saw about the Phils winning the WS?
*Say*
Even the best prophets can be wrong sometimes but everyone knows I called Phils to win it in 6. So I might be half right
Navarro wouldn’t be bad in pinstripes since we could use a catcher who can actually throw.
Get Perez in there AfuckingSAP.
Isn’t it ASAfuckingP?
ASfuckingAP?
AfuckingSAfuckingP, fucko.
Lidge pulling a 01 Mo
One hit is all it takes. Perez should steal 3b and make Lidge be cautious of the slider.
Why steal 3rd now?
So if he throws a 58 foot slider they tie the game without a hit. At least it would have put it in his head.
Hinske is clutch as hell tho we all know that
C’mon Shitske.
And thus ends the 2008 World Series, the worst of the modern era.
Nah there were much worse.
1994?
Who Played again?
I think the Chicago Cleavage were one of the teams.
2007, 2006, 2005, 2004
Wow, THAT was a swing?!?!? Pretty sure the ump got a little too over-zealous there…
Grats Phillies nonetheless
Hinske pulled an A-Rod
Phillies are WS Champs.
Congradulations Phillies.
Ha. Sucks to be a Mets fan.
Why are they celebrating in the 3rd?
Do I win anything for predicting the Phillies would win in 5?
You get to drink from the firehose!
Congrats to the Phils. Congrats to the Rays for the great season.
CongratsCongrads to the Phils.CongratsCongrads to the Rays for the great season.(I had to, sorry.)
I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not so I’ll just agree.
Pay better attention, son.
Hopefully you’re mocking Mike for the old “me fail English? That’s unpossible!” routine.
My cat’s breath smells like cat food.
I bent my Wookie.
Agreed. Now hunting season starts, CC hunting.
Im glad the Rays lost they are gonna be our rivals for a long time and we will all learn to hate them
It ain’t easy to win yr after yr. Ask the Indians this yr. Tigers the yr before.
Everyone looks like they expect Bud to come out and tell them to keep playing, FOX’s coverage isn’t over.
Rosenthal: “How does it feel, Brad?”
Lidge: “Jesus Christ, it feels great!”
“Brad, I heard your mentor Bill Walsh was the first to call you tonight to wish you congratulations. What did he say to you?”
Ouch. That’ll bruise a career.
Not her first time f’ing up.
BREAKING NEWS-ALEX RODRIGUEZ HAS OPTED OUT OF HIS CONTRACT!!
REPEAT, ALEX RODRIGUEZ HAS OPTED OUT OF HIS CONTRACT!!
If only Moose pitched like Moyer…
I wonder if Moyer retires now.
nah, man is pitching till 50
He says he wants to poitch a few more years, I just have trouble imagining that teams will keep giving him a job.
PREDICTION-Moose signs with Philly, replacing Moyer as part of their youth movement.
The Phillies let Cashman off the hook for this season.
-Steve Lombard-
The Phils should give Joe Maddon a ring for that showing.
Nothing like gracious fans… eesh.
Burnett just opted out says he wants to come to New York for a cheap incentive deal…. Ivan Knicks D lookd great
Today we spell redemption L-I-D-G-E.
He’s one of the people I definitely feel good for. Especially with that picture that gets posted around here once in a while. I feel bad for Myers’ wife, at some point she’s going to end up with a 2008 WS ring imprint in her face. Did you hear that dickhead defend himself today?
How is he a dickhead? Did you ever hear his side of the story? I don’t see how you can completely believe one side over the other. Both he and his wife say it was wildly blown out of proportion. I’ve studied Battered Woman’s Syndrome, so I know that women sometimes defend their husbands who are in the wrong. However, that does not mean that every time a woman defends her husband in a situation like this, she is not to be believed.
He pulled his wife’s hair and hit her, in the middle of the street no less. There is no justification.
I don’t believe in making blanket statements like, “he’s a dickhead” when two reports come out that are significantly conflicting with each other. Could Kim Myers be protecting her husband, Brett? Sure. Could the witnesses be over-exaggerating as witnesses tend to do at times? Sure. Could the witnesses not have seen what happened clearly seeing as how it was at night? That could be the case as well.
According to Brett’s side, both he and his wife were quite inebriated. No part of either story can convince me completely of what happened. Thus, I think it’s unfair for people to harshly judge Brett Myers for what took place when they themselves have not a clue what really did or did not occur.
His report isn’t very conflicting as he leaves details out. And by the way, he is the only person who says he didn’t kick the shit out of his wife that night. The only one. And he doesn’t even deny everything. Her quote, “I’m not going to let you do this to me any more” leads me to believe, as in most cases, this was not a one time thing.
Her quote, “I’m not going to let you do this to me any more” leads me to believe, as in most cases, this was not a one time thing.
I would agree with you if that statement was in fact true. However, it wasn’t. An eyewitness said he heard Kim Myers speak those words. Like I said before, witnesses tend to exaggerate things (or sometimes completely make them up to sound useful).
And he doesn’t even deny everything.
These are quotes from Brett Myers in the USA Today article:
Sounds like a complete denial to me.
“I never did anything to her. There was nothing on her face.”
Why did he have to add there was nothing on her face, if he never did anything to her? Obviously there would be nothing on her face if he never did anything to her. Why didn’t he deny hitting or punching her? He denied dragging her by the hair, he denied kicking her an throwing her around. He NEVER denied hitting or punching her in the face. And then points out there was nothing on her face. Not a total denial by any means.
Dude, all I’m saying is reserve your judgment. You remmeber the Kobe Bryant-Colorado incident some years back? Everyone rushed to judgment calling Bryant all sorts of things, saying these high-profile superstars get away with too much. What happened? He denied it, vehemently, and nobody wanted to hear a word.
So what do we find out when both sides have their say? Oh nothing, except for the fact that the alleged victim was a mess of a woman who wore the same semen-stained panties from a previous sexual encounter that took place not even 24 hours from when her sexual encounter with Bryant at the infamous Lodge and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards.
And if Kobe had been upfront from the start, things would have been much better for him. But lying about the sexual encounter altogether made him much less believable. Myers’ semi-denial 2 years later, without much of an apology does not make me sympathetic.
Ugh. This isn’t very similar to the Kobe Bryant case.
I’m not saying you have to agree with people who think Brett Myers hit his wife in the face and is, therefore, an asshole (or at least someone who acted like an asshole one night). But people have every right to hold that opinion. You’re not the arbiter of the opinions people can hold, especially when those opinions are reasonable. You can disagree, but you can’t tell people whether they can have an opinion or not. Witnesses (PLURAL) said they saw the guy hit his wife in the face and pull her hair. Being of the opinion that Brett Myers is an asshole based on the fact that witnesses reported seeing him hit his wife in the face is not unreasonable.
Even though I agree with you guys, I still have a question. How can you say my point is that people can’t have their own opinions? How can you say that I’m calling the opinions held by you and Steve, “unreasonable” when the first sentence of the post you just replied to – and my entire point in this discussion – was:
Because someone expressed an opinion based on an established fact pattern and you told them they can’t do that, that they have to “reserve their judgment.” You also said “I don’t see how you can completely believe one side over the other,” and “I think it’s unfair for people to harshly judge Brett Myers.” Taken in context with the rest of your statements on this topic, you’re effectively saying “I don’ think it’s reasonable for you to think Brett Myers is a dickhead based on the fact pattern presented.” I agree with you that it’s best to reserve judgment until all the facts are out there. I think that’s an admirable trait. But if people are presented with a fact pattern and make a perfectly reasonable conclusion for themselves, whether you agree with that conclusion or not, it’s not your place to tell them they can’t have that opinion. (Sorry for the extremely late response, I checked out of the discussion last night and just checked in now. This thing is now sufficiently beaten into the ground and tedious. Always fun to argue about a wife-beater though! Just kidding.)
I don’t know the “other side” to this story, if you could provide a link that would be great (not saying that in a facetious way).
Here’s the thing though… Unless the “other side of the story” is something about someone pointing a gun at either him or his wife and saying “punch her in the face or I’ll shoot,” I don’t care what the other side of the story is. You don’t hit your wife. I appreciate that you question people/ideas, I’m all for independent and reasoned thought. But we’re talking about a guy who beat up his wife in the middle of the street. It doesn’t matter if she said something he didn’t like, or if he (or she) was drunk.
Saying someone who hits their wife in the face is a “dickhead” isn’t a blanket statement, it’s perfectly reasonable. There’s no question whether he hit his wife or not. He did. Thus, it’s not a blanket statement. It’s a direct statement about a specific person based on a specific incident.
Ok I just saw the article E-ROC posted below. I’ll take the word of the witnesses and the police over the guy accused of hitting his wife in the face. Sorry.
Myers doesn’t help himself any by saying: “People say, ‘Well, he should have gone to jail and done this and that,’ ” Myers says. “Don’t you think I was beat up enough in the national spotlight? Don’t you think I was crushed? I’m still living it.”
http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....titialskip
Read my comment above about the portions of the article where Brett Myers completely denies beating his wife like a “rag doll”. The other side of the story is that he did not do the things that were alleged. I don’t see how people can just dismiss it as some inconsequential notion.
Do you not see how people might say “well, there were numerous witnesses who said they saw the guy hit his wife in the face, and that sounds pretty credible to me?” Really? That, to you, is a completely unreasonable and indefensible position?
Police responded to a 911 call and found Myers’ wife crying and with a swollen face, prosecutors said. Officers found Myers nearby and arrested him.
So should I believe Myers when he says nothing was on her face, or the police report?
An abuse charge against Philadelphia Phillies pitcher Brett Myers was dismissed Thursday after his wife said she did not want her husband prosecuted for hitting her in the face during an argument near Fenway Park.
Judge Raymond Dougan acknowledged that Myers struck his wife June 23 but dismissed the charge over the objection of prosecutors because Kim Myers agreed to an affidavit showing she did not want the charge pursued.
His wife did not want him prosecuted. FOR HITTING HER IN THE FACE. Again, he never, ever denied hitting her in the face. He denied kicking, pulling hair, and dragging.
I know we are discussing his case in a court of public opinion, rather than a court of law, but anybody with basic knowledge of case-study can tell you how easily an eyewitness can misremember accounts of what they saw. From lawyers to police officers, everyone is aware of the propensity of which eyewitness can basically “create” their own memories and have their memories influenced by others around them.
Again, we are discussing this matter in a court of public opinion so these points that I am making aren’t exactly relative to the topic at hand. However, it does not mean that it is OK to completely based your opinion on the accounts of eyewitnesses.
Brett Myers said he and his wife were highly intoxicated. So that could lead me to believe they were in a neighborhood with a high volume of bars or establishments that serve alcoholic beverages. Last time I checked, cops do not administer breathalyzer exams before recording the statements of eyewitnesses. So maybe some of these eyewitness were inebriated themselves. Maybe these guys did not get a clear vision of what actually occurred because they were inside their respective establishments and was attempting to see what happened behind a glass, at night.
There are too many variables that could account for a misrepresentation of what actually occurred by these eyewitnesses.
Ok, but the sober cops reported that her face was swollen. Every single witness reported that he hit her. Even if every witness were intoxicated, why did 100% say he hit her, including her, and none said, “no, I didn’t see that.” And again, he has never denied hitting her in the face. Never.
http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....ent-194003
OK, I was not aware of this fact. Now that I am, yes, Brett Myers is a fucking douchebag.
lol
You’re right, this isn’t a court of law, which is precisely why you shouldn’t be telling people they can’t be of the opinion that this guy hit his wife and is an asshole because of it. Maybe he was drunk, maybe she was drunk, maybe everyone within a 5 block radius of the incident was drunk. As Steve H quoted above, “Judge Raymond Dougan acknowledged that Myers struck his wife.” Now, I actually am an attorney, and I think that’s a pretty strong statement right there. If this were a court of law, I think Brett Myers might be in some trouble if his wife didn’t sign that affidavit. If someone wants to be of the opinion that Brett Myers hit his wife based on the story from that night, the police report, and the statements of the presiding judge, that seems pretty reasonable to me. Again, I’m not saying you have to agree that he hit his wife… But it’s BS to tell people that to hold that opinion is unreasonable and to tell them they can’t be of the opinion that Brett Myers is an asshole based on that belief.
How does his side defend punching his wife in the face twice? Those were her words. There were several witnesses, who described the beating in detail. He outweighs her 2 to 1. He’s a dickhead.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....yers_N.htm
Manuel was in Deliverance playing a banjo.
Gillick dodged that question like Clemens dodges steroid accusations
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Hamels swept the awards, give em CY YOUNG !!!!
Met fans now know what we felt last yr and in 2004.
A Camaro? What, no Ford Edge? It’s got a cool panoramic vista sunroof.
Rays win 88 games next year.
Hey Mike, just saw the Venditte thing about the award.
What do you think of Pat? Interesting prospect or gimmick with below average stuff from both sides?
The latter. Not so much a gimmick, just a guy without enough stuff to make it.
Congrats to the Phillies.
Now let’s get it ON for the offseason. Couple of tweaks here, a couple hundred million in free agents there, and it’s gonna be us next year.
Ya all we need is CC Tex Dunn Sheets Burnett and Garland because you can neve have to much pitching!!!!!! oops and Manny
Well the Baseball season is over, and the start of the Hot Stove Begins.
hah im pretty sure we started hot stove like 4 weeks ago
Whats with the Phillies (tv/radio?) announcer, he didnt seem excited what so ever! lol. Hes like, “the Philadelphia phillies are the 2008……..world champions of baseballlllllllll. lol