As expected, CC offer not going anywhere

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Hal Steinbrenner cause a mini ruckus last week when he said, in regards to CC Sabathia, that: “We made an offer. It’s not going to be there forever.” That sounds like a pretty Hank-ian statement, reminiscent of his “Hughes is on the table, but only for two days” ultimatum towards Minnesota last off-season. Thankfully, Jon Heyman puts the statement into the proper perspective, citing someone within the Yanks organization. No, it won’t be on the table forever, but they won’t pull the offer anytime soon. So can we please just forget Hal ever opened his mouth?

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  • rbizzler

    This analysis was obvious from the outset as the initial headlines did not emphasize the supposed ‘ultimatum.’ Subsequent headlines have since overplayed the nature of the comment. Nothing more than a little sensationalism to drive up page views/hits and generate more anti-Yanks chatter (eg Gammons).

    • Steve

      I have yet to see anyone, anywhere post the CONTEXT in which this question was asked. Did he volunteer this info? Or was he being badgered by mindlessly similar questions asked 3 different ways before he came up with this so-called ‘ultimatum’?

      Was it this:
      Reporter-“How ya doin Hal?”
      Hal-“Fine, but the CC offer isn’t going to be there forever.”

      Or this:
      Reporter-“How’s the CC negotiations going?”
      Hal-“Nothing new to report”
      Reporter-“How long do you think it will take until he signs?”
      Hal-“I have no idea, that’s up to him”
      Reporter-“Are you worried that he hasn’t signed yet?”
      Hal-“No”
      Reporter-“Do you think it means he doesn’t want to be a Yankee?”
      Hal-“I have no idea. Again, you’ll have to ask him. But we’d love to have him on our team.”
      Reporter-“How long will you wait until you move on?”
      Hal-“Well, the offer isn’t going to be there forever. So yeah, at some point we’d have to switch our attention to Plan B.”

      Something tells me it was scenario B. Just a wild guess.

  • Joe

    Heyman cited “someone familiar with their thinking” not someone necessarily within the organization. It’s a minor point, but when dealing with Jon Heyman’s generally anonymous (or non-existing) sources, we have to be careful not to give a single spec of undeserved credibility.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Yeah. I thought the original Hal quote was a non-statement, and this Heyman piece is equally invalid. I trust Heyman as far as I can throw him.

      • http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/04/burnett-opts-out-of-contract-5647/#comments yankee21

        how far can Heyman be thrown?

        • Steve

          30 innuendos and 25 uncredited sources away from here.

          Which comes out to about a foot and a half.

          • Chris C.

            Wow…….Jon Heyman articles are getting mileage.

            I like Hal Steinbrenner, and I like him putting deadlines on things.
            These are the Yankees. Why should they wait a long time for ANY player to dictate how they do business? Sabathia’s a great pitcher and all, but he’s got alot of miles on is arm, is in questionable shape, and may not even want to pitch on this coast or in the AL.

            I can certainly understand why Hal Steinbrenner would not be thrilled with this guy taking the Yankee offer and shopping it around until the rest of the year. I like the leadership Hal’s taken on this.

            Kissing AROD’s fanny last offseason and outbidding themselves with a 10 year deal was not the Yankees finest hour.

  • Steve S

    They should put a deadline on it. The more time that goes on, the more CC can use that offer to get something better from others. Especially with Burnett pushing 5 years and Lowe pushing $16M per for four to five. They need to negotiate just slightly and just bend over and take it all from CC. He is a great pitcher but when everyone knows you need something, its not wise to act desperate.

    • Steve S

      correction- “and not just bend over…”

      • Count Zero

        HA! Take that nose! I’ll show you who’s boss…

        • Steve S

          I see the sarcasm dripping of this one. But I think we all have to start understanding, just because we REALLY, REALLY want CC to sign here doesnt mean the Yankees have to bow down to whatever the guy wants. And we also have to realize that they do have some leverage in this situation. They are the market maker, everyone is waiting for them to lay out the market. CC is the domino that will cause everything else to fall. The Yankees have already done it for him and that was a nice thing for them to do. But they have no obligation to give him a blank check.

          • Count Zero

            Don’t really disagree with that concept — but pulling the offer off the table isn’t negotiating to fair market value — it’s ending the discussion. Threatening to pull the offer is just a bluff — one which will likely get called to everyone’s chagrin.

            Now if we miss out on another option (Sheets, Burnett, etc.) because we’re waiting on CC to make up his mind, that’s different. I don’t see that as the case though.

            I think you sign the second starter and if you have a chance to sign another one you want, you call CC’s agent and say: “It’s now or never dude. We have a chance to make the deal for Peavy today. We’d still rather have CC but we either pull the trigger with the Pads or lose the window. We need an answer by tomorrow.” Both CC and his agent will understand that completely.

            Revenge is neither productive nor efficient in a business situation. :-)

            • Steve S

              Agreed and thats all I think Hal’s comments were. Probably meant more for CC’s agent then anything. When you come to the table with the third or fourth best offer then be humble and kind. But when you come on the first day and offer the most anyone has ever received, then there are some expectations attached to that.

            • Chris C.

              “I think you sign the second starter and if you have a chance to sign another one you want, you call CC’s agent and say: “It’s now or never dude. We have a chance to make the deal for Peavy today. We’d still rather have CC but we either pull the trigger with the Pads or lose the window. We need an answer by tomorrow.” Both CC and his agent will understand that completely.”

              Not when they have 6 years, 137 mill on the table from Anaheim, they won’t. As evidenced by Sabathia getting in his agent’s face regarding his pitching frequency in September, he doesn’t sound like the kind of guy who reponds well to being told what to do.
              Having said that, the Yankees shouldn’t let him sit on the offer forever. If it takes him more than a month to commit to the Yankees offer, than he doesn’t want to be here. It’s as simple as that.
              I predict that before this is over, the Yankees will somehow find a way to outbid themselves for his services.

            • Chris C.

              “Don’t really disagree with that concept — but pulling the offer off the table isn’t negotiating to fair market value — it’s ending the discussion. Threatening to pull the offer is just a bluff — one which will likely get called to everyone’s chagrin.”

              It may be a bluff from Hank, but I’m not so sure Hal bluffs that way. From what I’ve read about the guy, he seems to take a no-nonsense approach.
              All we’d seen from Hank is nonsense.

              Threatening to pull an offer off the table has worked many, many times in the sporting world, providing the timing is right and there’s been enough reasonable time to make a decision.
              It also weeds out the pretenders.

              The only problem the Yankees may have with this tactic is that dopey Hank set the tone for the Yankees not to be believed when he trumped Cashman, who tried to pull that act with AROD last year. If they’d have stuck by their guns and AROD walked, they’d have more firepower making that same threat this time around.

  • Baseballnation

    Just in case they don’t land C.C. the Yankees have apparently offered Odalis Perez a contract http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ite-s.html

    Yeah that’s the solution!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      I can only assume that we’re purchasing the rights to Perez to harvest his organs as backups for either Burnett or Sheets when one of the two of them inevitably blows out his shoulder/elbow/back/asscheek.

      • Reggie C.

        ROFL!

        Too funny.

    • whozat

      I love these false dichotomies that people set up.

      The right way to look at this is “In a move that has no bearing whatsoever on whether the Yankees pursue CC Sabathia hard or not, they’ve looked at Odalis Perez as a depth signing. He wants to stay with the Nats anyhow, so this really, really doesn’t impact anything in Yankeeland at all.”

      • A.D.

        Gotta wonder why… would you really rather see Perez start instead of Aceves?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          No, but I’d rather have Perez as a lefty option in Scranton to call up if the league figures out Aceves, we have a few injuries, and we’re contemplating Eric Hacker or Kei Igawa.

        • Chris C.

          I wouldn’t even rather have Pettitte start over Aceves. That’s how good I think this kid could be if given the chance.

    • E-ROC

      The Yanks probably offered a bag of magical beans and 5 million Yuan Renminbi for two years.

  • Matt

    Yeah, I dunno about Heyman sometimes…

    • Chris C.

      Gee, why not? Was it the fact that he voted for K-Rod as the AL MVP and K-man Ryan Howard in the NL?

  • Matt

    Also…and I hate to double post…is anyone else surprised that no other offers have been out there for CC? What are the other teams waiting for, the winter meetings?

    • dan

      There’s one from the Brewers, but there might be some that we just don’t know about right now.

    • Baseballnation

      The Brwers have an offer out there…and yes perhaps teams are waiting for post thanksgiving mayhem

    • 27 this year

      I think part of it is the Dodgers are trying to figure out Manny and the Angels are trying to figure out Tex. Those are the main competititors.

      • Chris C.

        There’s not much to figure out for either of them……..the highest offer wins. And they are sitting around waiting for all the offers to come rolling in. No mystery.

  • A.D.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-r-11.html

    Cash try and poach Pie in a 3-way trade?