Nov
18

Five years, $80 million for Burnett? Say it ain’t so

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If there’s one site you can’t miss during the off-season, it’s MLB Trade Rumors (though I’m sure you all know that). Tim works his ass off to create a place where you can find on what’s going on with the Hot Stove. This morning when I checked the site, I saw the top item on his Yankees Rumors post: The Yankees are preparing “perhaps” a five-year, $80 million deal for A.J. Burnett. Thankfully I hadn’t eaten yet, else I would have wretched all over my keyboard.

Unlike some on this site, I’m not unequivocally opposed to signing Burnett. The guy has some lightning stuff, and if healthy could provide a solid boost to the rotation, at least in the first couple years of the deal. However, we’re talking five years here, and a massive amount of money. If this rumor is true, I have little doubt Burnett will find a better offer, meaning we’d be stuck with him for half a decade.

Thankfully, this rumor comes to us from He Who Shall Not Be Named, so we can take it with a grain of salt. In fact, his use of the word “perhaps” preceding the contract figure suggests that, like many of his other rumors, he is just making this up. It wouldn’t be a surprise at all. So “perhaps” we can rest assured that the Yankees aren’t going to make an offer of this magnitude.

At least Jon Heyman admits he’s guessing when he predicts a five-year, $75 million offer for Burnett. This doesn’t make the rumor more legit, really, as it’s just a guess. Still, we now have two guys close to the Yanks saying they’re going to offer A.J. Burnett a five-year deal. This is not good.

First, this, if anything, is overbidding. The Blue Jays offered four years at $54 million. A.J. is not CC. You don’t have to blow him out of the water. So why go an extra year at freaking $26 million more than the Jays? That seems a bit absurd at this point in the off-season for a pitcher of Burnett’s caliber.

Speaking of his skills, let’s talk about the risk of offering the dude a five-year deal. We know he has electric stuff, but he’s gone over 200 innings just three times in his career. One was six years ago. One was his contract year. The other was, well, another contract year. Granted, he’s pitched fairly well in almost every season, save for his 23 innings in 2003 — which, incidentally, was on the heels of his first 200-inning season. He then pitched 120 in 2004 before pitching 209 in 2005, only to drop back off to 135 in 2006.

The Yankees need guys who will eat innings. Joba won’t be able to pitch a full season. Nor will Hughes. As it stands right now, they have one pitcher who can give them over 200 inning, and he’s coming off a foot injury. With so many question marks in the rotation, why add another one with Burnett? If the Yankees offer is true, I can’t see any team topping it. And that would mean we’re stuck with him.

156 Comments»

  1. Spaceman.Spiff says:

    *Wretches over keyboard*

  2. radnom says:

    CC and Pettite/Moose, that is all we need.

    I would like Sheets as well, but the Yankees do not seem to be interested.

    I would be more saddened than happy if we sign any of the other pitchers we are supposedly targeting

    What is wrong with:

    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Pettite
    Hughes/Aceves/IPK(Sheets)

    That is an unmatchable top three right there, and look for Hughes to have a bounce back year.

    • Yank Crank 20 says:

      Like I said in the last post, Joba will not be our #3. He will be our #5 because he needs to be skipped every once in a while and get less starts in. We’re really trying to fill in our 3 and 4 pitchers, not our 4 and 5.

      • whozat says:

        But thinking about it that way doesn’t really make sense. Joba certainly has the talent to provide 25 or so #3 level starts this season.

        Does it make sense to sign AJ Burnett to a 5 year deal to make up for those other then starts in 2009? I don’t think so. If you have to think of it in terms of a “#1″ a “#2″ etc, then I think it’d make WAAAAY more sense to view it as (say) Pettitte bumping into the 3 hole for those ten starts and filling the 5 slot with Hughes (or Kennedy or Aceves or whoever) for those ten starts.

        So, for most of the season, it’d ideally be
        CC
        Wang
        Joba
        Pettitte
        (league-average-veteran/injury risk with upside)

        and then

        CC
        Wang
        Pettitte
        LAV/IRWU
        Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves

      • radnom says:

        He is the #3 best starter, but he will be in the #5 spot in the rotation.

        What if CC gets a sore arm and has to be the fifth starter to start the year? Would that make him our #5 starter all of a sudden?!?!

        You’re being silly and nitpicky.

        • Yank Crank 20 says:

          i don’t know if i’ve ever been called silly before. feel free to just tell me i’m wrong if you think that’s the case.

          • radnom says:

            Well you are wrong but that has a stronger connotation then I was going for.
            What I meant by silly is that your point doesn’t make sense…who care what spot in the rotation he is in? You still consider him as your number three guy…..because he is your 3rd best starter.

            Like my example above..if youre Ace gets thrown off his schedule and has to start in the 5th whole for a month, that doesn’t mean that all of a sudden your team lacks a #1 starter. I think “silly” is an appropriate term for that notion. No offense intended my good sir.

  3. gxpanos says:

    Shee-it. This is going to be a bad, bad deal.

    CASH! START READING RAB IN ADDITION TO NOMAAS! BOTH SITES ARE CORRECT!

  4. Spaceman.Spiff says:

    No one’s even considering Sheets? I’m pretty sure we could sign him to a 4 year deal and other than the tendon, he’s probably been as injury-free as Burnett except a much better performer. I would’ve been okay with Burnett for 3-4 years at a reasonable price but this is insane, we’re knocking him off his feet for no reason. Check out Burnett’s game logs last year, he killed the Yankees but was very up and down otherwise. When he’s on our team, he won’t be able to kill the Yankees…well not in the same sense he did last year. Why aren’t we even exploring the Sheets option?

    • Spaceman.Spiff says:

      I’d be happy breaking camp with this group of pitchers for 5 spots:
      CC
      CMW
      Sheets
      Moose
      Joba
      Hughes
      Aceves
      IPK

      That’s a rotation with depth and tons of ace potential from top to bottom except Aceves and IPK. No one seems to realize Burnett wasn’t actually that effective last year and he’s as big an injury risk as Sheets. Don’t be fooled by his 18 wins because that stat is unimportant.

      • Slugger27 says:

        “no one seems to realize that burnett wasnt actually that effective last year and hes as big an injury risk as sheets”

        no, EVERYONE realizes both of those things, which is why most of us are upset, including me

      • andrew says:

        i think most of us wouldnt mind that rotation, but moose is probably headed for retirement, and sheets is just as much of an injury risk as burnett

    • frank says:

      Sheets is a bad gamble also unless it’s for a year or two tops. I personally think they should look at Oliver Perez as a 4th starter assuming they get CC to be followed by Joba and Wang. I’d also take a flyer on Penny who is supposedly busting his ass this off seasson getting in top shape.

  5. Ivan says:

    Talk about stealing money if Burnett signed that contract.

  6. Zack says:

    Damn, late to the part and posted in the other thread. Out of pure laziness, I shall repost it as it is still relevant:

    Have you people arguing so hard for Sheets and citing him as a better deal over Burnett actually looked at their #s? Sheets, over the last 4 years, has thrown 130 LESS innings, and is injured AGAIN. The guy simply cannot stay healthy. he hasn’t throw 200 innings since 2004, and when he came close this season, he destroyed his arm. Again.

    You also assume that Sheets will magically come at a discount because he’s hurt. Really? There’s a reason his agent and him are saying he’ll be ready to pitch: for the money! There is no way that Sheets will command anything substantially less than Burnett. Period.

    Yes, giving Burnett 5 years is idiotic. But claiming that Sheets is somehow this much better option, or that “taking a risk” on a guy that very likely needs surgery that will cost him all of one year and affect him for the next at which point he will be 32 is a good idea is just plain wrong.

    Even ignoring that Sheets would have to transition to the AL East from the NL Central, there is really no way to argue for Sheets other than hoping he would sign for less years, at which point you may only be getting him for one.

    The argument is really about if Burnett for five years is a good idea, which we all know it isn’t. Stick to that

    • AndrewYF says:

      FEWER, not LESS.

      And giving Sheets a 3-year deal is much smarter than giving Burnett 5.

      • Bo says:

        You want to give a 3 yr deal to a guy who has tendon issues and is never ever healthy? But you don’t want to give 5 to the guy coming off 200+ in the AL East?

        You know in a perfect world they’d give every pitcher 1 yr. But that isn’t reality.

        This is the price they pay for not developing any starting pitchers.

        • AndrewYF says:

          Sheets is two years younger than Burnett, has approximately the same injury risk, and will command fewer years with fewer dollars.

          • Chris C. says:

            This is ridiculous.

            Why does everyone think Sheets will be a bargain? If everyone thinks that, then that means other teams will be interested, and there will be a bidding war.

            And at the end of the day, when Sheets is signed, NOBODY will be getting a bargain on this guy.

            This notion that Sheets will get less years, and less money, and fall right into the Yankees lap with no resistence is absurd.

            When was the last time the Yankees ended up paying a reasonable price for anyone?

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

            Sheets is two 1.5 years younger than Burnett, has approximately the same is currently injured and is a worse injury risk, and will command fewer years with fewer dollars (I think, since contract talk is all conjecture).

            /fixed

        • whozat says:

          “This is the price they pay for not developing any starting pitchers.”

          I bet you advocate trading Hughes for Peavy and Kennedy for Willy Taveras too.

        • This is the price they pay for not developing any starting pitchers.

          Joba Chamberlain and Chien Ming Wang say hello. (In a year or two, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy could join them.)

          But, even Hughes and Kennedy aside, that’s two front end pitchers homegrown. Most MLB teams can’t brag about that. So, your statement, just like 90% of what you usually say, is wrong.

          • Chris C. says:

            I think he meant to this point.

            You have to admit, the Yankees have not been great at developing starters. Wang and Joba have only been recent.
            They don’t seem to give these kids the right amount of time and patience. I mean, it’s not in stone yet, but we’re already hearing that they’re tossing a fortune at their rotation, which would leave these kids like Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves in Scranton without a chance to make the rotation.

            Hughes and Aceves deserve a shot at a rotation spot, but if the Yankees land Sabathia and Burnett (and Moose or Pettitte return), they won’t even get a CHANCE, regardless of how they look in Spring training.

            • You have to admit, the Yankees have not been great at developing starters.

              Again, this is just wrong. Wang and Chamberlain are two solid front-end starters. Most MLB teams do not have two solid front end starters homegrown. Most MLB teams either traded for/signed one of their aces, or they don’t have two aces at all. And when you add in Hughes and Kennedy into the mix, it gets even better. Wang-Joba-Hughes-Kennedy is an impressive collection of homegrown starters, even considering the struggles of Hughes and Kennedy. Show me how many teams wouldn’t trade their quartet of their top four homegrown starters for those four… they’re few and far between.

    • gxpanos says:

      The thing is, the years are a BIG DEAL. If the Yanks can get him for two years, even if he’s up around 14-15 mil (which might be too high, he may be 10-12, not sure), it could pay big dividends, while not being too big a deal if he doesn’t pan out. It’s only two years.

      But I think this should be a last resort type of thing, frankly. And you bring up a good point about him going NL Central to AL East.

      The thing that hurt about Pavano was that he was hanging around for FOUR years.

    • whozat says:

      “There’s a reason his agent and him are saying he’ll be ready to pitch: for the money! There is no way that Sheets will command anything substantially less than Burnett. Period.”

      Yes, but the market is much more skeptical about Sheets. Thus, realistically, he will HAVE to settle for a shorter deal.

      If they’ve seen his medicals and they’re full of red flags, that’s fine. Don’t make an offer. But, given what we know, both are very likely to miss a bunch of time during their contracts. I’d rather take a 3 year flier on such a pitcher than a 5 year flier. Unless it’s pretty clear Sheets will Schmidt it up. Then, just walk away.

      It’s not like the Yanks MUST sign Burnett or Sheets. That’s a false dichotomy that’s set up so that we can argue about things.

      • Chris C. says:

        “Yes, but the market is much more skeptical about Sheets. Thus, realistically, he will HAVE to settle for a shorter deal.”

        LMAO. Yeah, we’ll just see about that!

        “It’s not like the Yanks MUST sign Burnett or Sheets. That’s a false dichotomy that’s set up so that we can argue about things.”

        With Yankee fans being so spoiled, it certainly isn’t difficult to set up a “we need one or the other” scenario.

    • radnom says:

      Wrong wrong wrong.

      No one says Sheets will magically come at a discount, but he sure as hell is not going to get the year or money that Burnett is. Burnett just happened to get lucky and pull off a 200 inning season in his walk year, but you have to consider them comparable injury risks.

      Also, Burnett just flat out isn’t that great. If they were both healthy, I would much rather have Sheets.

      Sheets is someone I would take a 3 year risk on.
      I wouldn’t touch Burnett with a 10 foot pole.

      • Mike A. says:

        Sheets actually has a plan when he’s on the mound, Burnett gets by on raw stuff far too often. In his best year, Burnett had a 122 ERA+ and a 203-90 K/BB ratio, and in Sheets’ best year he had a 162 ERA+ and a freaking 261-32 K/BB.

        Sheets for 3 yrs > Burnett for 5

        • Zack says:

          Right, and Burnett for 3 yrs>Sheets for 3 years.

          Nobody is arguing that Burnett at 5 years is a good thing.

          But Sheets for 3 years comes with the very real possibility that at least one of those years will be lost entirely, and the next dedicated to regaining form.

          Burnett at least has a chance of giving you two quality seasons.

          There is absolutely NOTHING over the last 4 years that suggests Sheets can do the same.

  7. Bo says:

    They want SP with great stuff. Burnett and Sabathia fit the bill. They realize that great starting pitching is what wins.

    Every pitcher is an injury risk. You may as well take the chance on the guys who you identify as the best available out there.

    This isn’t Pavano here. This is a guy who has had a lot of success in the Al East.

    • whozat says:

      “This is a guy who has had a lot of success in the Al East.”

      And who will almost certainly spend large chunks of every year on the DL.

      “Every pitcher is an injury risk. You may as well take the chance on the guys who you identify as the best available out there.”

      Some are more and some are less. Who cares how good a guy is — when healthy — if you’re paying him to rehab for a third of every season? Mitigate your risk. Don’t sign pitchers with lengthy arm and shoulder injury histories to 5 year deals. It’s just stupid.

      “This isn’t Pavano here. This is a guy who has had a lot of success in the Al East.”

      Was the problem with Pavano that he hadn’t had success in the AL East, or that he was never on the mound?

      • Chris C. says:

        “This isn’t Pavano here. This is a guy who has had a lot of success in the Al East.”

        LMAO!!! Before signing Pavano, he was a GREAT picther for the Marlins, and a WS hero who pitched tremendously against the Yankees.
        Pavano’s problems since coming to NY have been his health, not his talent.

    • Ivan says:

      The problem is Burnett isn’t a great starting pitcher.

    • radnom says:

      You’re right…he is much more of an injury risk than Pavano was when we signed him.

      Oh yeah, and costs about twice as much.

    • RichYF says:

      Bo’s logic has proved infallible. His arguments are always spot on and his reasoning is unmatched.

      Sign Wood, Prior, Schilling, Johnson, trade for Bedard, Bonderman, Willis. Guaranteed WS champs. Injury risk? No more than any other pitcher in the league.

    • Every pitcher is an injury risk. You may as well take the chance on the guys who you identify as the best available out there.

      In that case, it’s Sheets by a landslide. Burnett is nowhere near the pitcher Sheets is.

      • Spaceman.Spiff says:

        Yes to this. Please, please, please look at Burnett’s overall stats last year. He shouldn’t get paid like a # 2 starter just because he amassed 200 innings and got 18 wins. Most of his good starts were against the Yankees, true story. Can someone omit those starts and post his numbers?

    • B.George says:

      This isn’t Pavano here. This is a guy who has had a lot of success in the Al East.
      A lot of success????? The guy had one decent year and it wasnt even ace numbers but yet we are offering him an ace contract. Absolutley ridiculous. This has Hank Steinbrenner written all over it.

  8. Ivan says:

    I think NoMaas just lost their appetite when they read that Burnett might 80M for 5 years.

  9. Ivan says:

    You know what though, it tells ya how imprtant it is to develop your own pitching like Joba or Hughes so you can avoid giving pitchers like Burnett deals like this.

  10. Slugger27 says:

    i told all u guys yesterday and yall thought i was crazy when i said he finally signs for around 5/90

    i dont like burnett, dont want him to sign, DEFINITELY dont want him to sign for 5/90…. but i knew this would be how it would play out

    theyre gonna come back with a counteroffer, and dont be surprised if a few more million is added to make it like 5/85

    • Ivan says:

      Who’s gonna comeback with a counteroffer?

      • Slugger27 says:

        burnett… wouldnt shock me at all if he says he will sign today if the yanks give him 5/90 or something… then the yanks wind up giving him another 1m for every year of the 5 year deal

        again, i dont have any inside information on how this stuff works, but in the end i would be surprised if he signed for under 5/90

        • Chris C. says:

          Why would he?

          5 years, 80 mill is the Yankees STARTING offer.

          This is the bizzaro world of negotiations. It’s why the Yankees are always outbidding themselves for players.

          I think the last guy they were in a REAL bidding war for was Carl Pavano.

      • Chris C. says:

        “Who’s gonna comeback with a counteroffer?”

        Burnett’s agent. He’ll say no to the deal, the Yankees will up the offer, he’ll say no again, the Yankees will up the offer, then Burnett will be a Yankee.

        This REALLY happens with this organization. Go ask Gary Sheffield.
        WITHOUT AN AGENT, he actually got Steinbrenner to keep increasing his offer, despite the fact that no other team was willing to touch Sheffield with a 10 foot pole!

  11. radnom says:

    Ben Sheets – Innings pitched

    216
    220
    237
    156
    141
    198

    Burnett – Innings pitched

    23
    120
    209
    135
    165
    221

    Over the past six years. So can everyone arguing Sheets at three years would be a huge mistake and Burnett wouldn’t please give it a rest?
    Don’t be fooled because Sheets happened to be injured at the end of last season. We are talking about a multi-year commitment here.

  12. JohnC says:

    You know, you guys are right. Very stupid idea to go with a Burnett, who has lights out stuff, but is an injury risk. Much smarter to stick with Pettite. He didn’t win much in the 2nd half, but more important, he made every start. Should have kept Rasner too. He didn’t win at all the last 3-4 months of the season, but more importantly, he was never hurt.

    • radnom says:

      Andy Pettite ERA – 4.54
      WHIP – 1.4

      Burnett ERA – 4.07
      WHIP-1.3

      That’s lights out stuff?
      If you get rid of his starts against the Yankees, then his numbers look even closer to Andy’s of last year. And FYI, Andy was pitching hurt in the second half.

      • Chris C. says:

        Right.

        I don’t get the fascination with Burnett. It’s absurd. People only watch when he pitches against the Yankees?

    • radnom says:

      Oh yeah, and

      “Burnett’s overall numbers from 2008 are excellent, but he ranked 75th in the majors in quality-start percentage, just ahead of Jeff Karstens. “

    • radnom says:

      The point is, he isn’t good enough to warrant giving him 5 years given his injury risk.
      If he actually was what some people have them in their mind as — some unbelievable ace who just can’t stay healthy — then it might be worth it.

      He isn’t that though.

    • Chris C. says:

      “Much smarter to stick with Pettite. He didn’t win much in the 2nd half, but more important, he made every start.”

      Wonderful. So did Sydney Ponson.
      The league is full of mediocre pitchers who made all their starts in 2008. And alot of them aren’t 37 years old, or have an injury history like Pettitte does.
      Didn’t win as much? The guy didn’t win AT ALL in must-win games down the stretch. He losts every damn one of them!

      “Should have kept Rasner too. He didn’t win at all the last 3-4 months of the season, but more importantly, he was never hurt.”

      Rasner could have been a solid long man out of the pen. I’ll give you that.

    • MrJigginz says:

      “After the All-Star break, Burnett was one of the best pitchers in the majors, going 8-2 with a 2.86 ERA, while striking out 105 batters and walking just 29 in 94 1/3 innings. In other words, at the end of the ’08 season, he was throwing better than he has for any extended period in his career.”<——-This is what I will cling onto with hope if the Yankees do sign him.

      • In other words, at the end of the ‘08 season, he was throwing better than he has for any extended period in his career.

        That’s the part that should give you serious pause.

        What are the chances he remains as good as the post-break ’08 Burnett vs. the chances he regresses back to his mean?

      • Chip says:

        Perfect, as soon as the Blue Jays were out of it, he started pitching like an ace. Just what we need…….

      • Chris C. says:

        “After the All-Star break, Burnett was one of the best pitchers in the majors, going 8-2 with a 2.86 ERA, while striking out 105 batters and walking just 29 in 94 1/3 innings.

        Great work. Too bad his first half of the season killed any chance the Jays had to make a division run. Nice of him to turn it on when the JAys had already flatlined.

      • Chris C. says:

        “at the end of the ‘08 season, he was throwing better than he has for any extended period in his career.”

        Ahhh……..when he knew he could opt out of his contract at the end of the season for crazy money, right?
        What a fortuitous time for him to have the best stretch of his career. It’s amazing what will make some people focus better on the mound, isn’t it?

        So right before he was a FA with the Marlins, he was great.
        And right before he was a FA with the Blue Jays, he was great.
        And when his team was in the WS in 2003, he was on the DL.

        Looks like he takes the term “money pitcher” too literally.

  13. Matt M. says:

    yea….signing burnett gives the yankees more of their desired ‘flexibility’

    the rotation would be a lot more ‘fluid’ with burnett’s frequent DL stints as opposed to being ‘clogged’ by Lowe’s consistent 200inning output. :-P

  14. Mike Pop says:

    I TOLD YA”LLLLL I TOLD YA !!!!!!!!!

  15. Unlike some on this site, I’m not unequivocally opposed to signing Burnett.

    Me neither. I’m merely equivocally opposed to signing Burnett.

  16. Clay says:

    i think everybody is forgetting that since it is an odd year, a-rod will win the mvp, and our offensive problems will be solved

  17. Mike A. says:

    10 DL trips since 2001 for Burnett. That’s Beckett-esque.

  18. MS says:

    I don’t mind offering him a contract, but why not 4 for $64mil. I also don’t mind if they throw in a 5th year once others start bidding, but not now.

  19. Shamus says:

    This is downright scary. Does Cash have a man crush on AJ similar to Theo’s love for JD Drew and Julio Lugo.

    He (they) are bidding against themselves if this 5 year/$80M offer is true. Wouldn’t a more RATIONAL GM look at TOR’s offer of 4 year/$54M and say….ok, how about 4 year/$60M w/ a 5th y vesting option based on number of starts over the final two years. But no, 5 years/$80M ???

    Have they lost their goddamn minds? For AJ Burnett???

    Hey, throw the moon and New Jersey at CC, by all means. Make him a part owner, whatever. Then, maybe offer Lowe 3 year/$45M. Or like I said earlier, AJ 4 w/ option.

    But this is silly bargaining. I like Burnett. But he’s a risk enough at 3 or 4 years, much less 5.

  20. Luke S. says:

    Okay, okay, okay … (make it sound like Joe Pesci in “Lethal Weapon 3″).

    It seems to me we’re getting way ahead of ourselves. As Joe said in the original post, consider the source. I for one seriously doubt the Yanks are considering a five-year deal for AJ, expecially for that level of dough. I could be wrong, but hope like crazy I’m not.

    What they need IMHO is an innings-eater, and of all the free agents our there, that’s one bill that A.J. doesn’t seem to fill.

  21. Infamous says:

    I really really hope this is just a dumb rumor with no real backing.

  22. Patrick T says:

    I just want to state for the record that the only things that could happen in FA that would upset me more than 5 years for Burnett would be 5 for Manny or 5 for Oliver Perez. That is all.

  23. Larry says:

    Just about to have lunch and I’ve read this. Pass the Pepto. I get that we need pitching, but 5 years is nauseating. I’d sooner give 3 yrs to Moose and take a chance on 15 games/yr and supply him with some offense.

  24. christopher says:

    are they going to leave any money for the offense or are we set replacing 2 ver good offensive players with Brett Gardner and Swisher?

    the rest of baseball must be throwing up at this news about the offer. I can understand the sabthia offer, but in a year when there are other quality options available why shoot your load at burnett right off the bat. The guy has talent no doubt, but this was shaping up to be an offseason where those middle of the pack pitchers may come at a small discount ( compared to the last 4 or 5 years).

    I have always got the impression that cashman doesnt like to throw around money and make the smart move. Forgetting about who is better sheets or burnett look at how much better is he going to be and is it worth it to take him over sheets or lowe or even one of the lower tier guys like Penny or Randy. If signing one of the lower tier guys means that they will add a quality bat like Adam Dunn than I would take a lower tier guy. Seems like they are taking this quest to build the ultimate rotation a little far especially considering that they still have hughes who last year was the number 4 starter (guess cash has lost a little faith in him)

    I dont htink the argument should be as much sheets over burnett, but more adding a number 3 or number four starter type and one or two quality offesive players instead of burnett.

    I still feel think that the most impactful free agent out there aside from sabathia is manny ramirez. Give me brad penny and manny (assuming CC signs which i get the feeling is a big “if” in the minds of yankee exects which is a big reason why they are throwing so much at burnett). I will take that starting pitching with that offense.

  25. christopher says:

    the yankees are acting like that girl that is a little chunky but really rich. First she puts out on the first date so that you will go out with her again and then showers you with gifts so that you wont leave her

  26. Ivan says:

    Another reason you don’t give deals like that to Burnett is that he’s the type of pitcher who won’t age well. Burnett at times, when flustered wants to throw harder and want to overpower people rather than just go slower and etc.

    • Chris C. says:

      “Another reason you don’t give deals like that to Burnett is that he’s the type of pitcher who won’t age well.”

      Or how about this………….he seems to be the type of pitcher who doesn’t pitch that great if he knows his money is already earned for the next few years.

  27. Mike W. says:

    Guys, before anyone seriously freaks out, as Mike said earlier, it is speculation by a reporter. We don’t know what the offer is. If the offer turns out to be 4 years, at 64 million, and he takes it, and we sign CC, or rotation probably looks like:

    1) CC
    2) Burnett
    3) Wang
    4) Joba
    5) Hughes/Andy/IPK/Aceves

    ***That would be pretty damn sick.

    We don’t know what the offer that Cash is actually going to make so let’s not freak out before we KNOW what it is.

    I was in the Caribbean last week and missed alot of the speculation about the Yanks, but when I left, the speculation for Swisher was that we were going to trade Damon for him. Cash ended up trading some of our useless spare parts for him instead.

    My point, and many other people’s point, is that reporters need something to write about so that they can sell newspapers. Unless you work in the Yanks front office, you don’t know what the offer is. And unless it comes from someone a little more credible, I don’t see the need to freak out… yet.

  28. Count Zero says:

    Just to play Devil’s Advocate here — and trust me I DON’T want any part of five years for Burnett…

    But I think the attraction w/Burnett is not only his AL East experience — it’s his career success against the Sox, Rays and Yanks.

    Sox – 2.56 ERA
    Rays – 2.98 ERA (2008 – 3.15 so it’s not just when they used to suck)
    Yanks – 2.43 ERA

    In other words, he has pitched well against the top teams in the AL East his entire career. Some people would be inclined to put a lot of stock in that…

    • A.D. says:

      already busting out the silver linings… not bad

    • Chris C. says:

      “In other words, he has pitched well against the top teams in the AL East his entire career. Some people would be inclined to put a lot of stock in that…”

      The Yankees would be better off ignoring Burnett, taking that 80 million, and buying stock!
      They’ll get way more for their investment doing that.

  29. Tom Gaffney says:

    How the heck does King get away with this stuff when so many people know he’s completely full of it? The Post Sports section has really slipped.

    I do like Burnett, though. Typically, guys who have ridiculous stuff eventually figure out how to pitch and put together 3-5 years of dominance in their low to mid-30s. He reminds me an awful lot of a Curt Schilling/ Jason Schmidt type who have the lightbulb just click on above their heads at a later age. Also, in his last start, Leiter was explaining how Burnett has learned to throw his fastball without max effort (now he’s sitting 94-97 instead of 95-100 – damn, this guy has some arm) which he attributes to his health this year, and deems it likely that he will be much healthier going forward. I’d hate to miss out on the next Curt Schilling, wouldn’t you? I’m sick of signing pitchers in their mid-to-late 30s like Lowe just as they’re about to decline. I want upside.

    • Ben Sheets has more upside and more of a chance to be the next Curt Schilling than A.J. Burnett does.

      Younger + cheaper + shorter contract + better + longer track record of health, as crazy as that sounds = Sheets is less risky and probably more rewarding

      • Chris C. says:

        Okay, I like Sheets, but he is not going to be the next Curt Schilling.

        Do I like Sheets more as a pitcher than Burnett? Yes.

        Is he less of an injury risk? Who knows.

        Will he ask for a shorter contract? Who knows.

        Will he ask for less money? Who knows.

        Is he younger? By ONE year………not even worth mentioning.

        Longer track record? Considering he’s missed about 40 starts over the past 4 seasons, I don’t think either guy has any edge on durability.
        IT’s really nitpicking to say that one guy is more or less an injury risk than another.

        And having said all this, my choice would be Sheets.
        I just think the guy’s a better pitcher.
        But neither is perfect, that’s for sure.

  30. DonnieBaseballHallofFame says:

    AJ is Carl Pavano Jr.
    AJ for 5 years NO WAY
    AJ for 80 million NO WAY.

    Also Andy at one year $16 NO WAY. (thats what his agent wants)

    • Chris C. says:

      You think 5 years, 80 mill is alot??

      Wait until you see what the Yankees toss his way if Sabathia signs somwhere out west! It’ll make this offer look like lunch money!

  31. MS says:

    When it comes down to it, it’s not my money so I hope CC and Burnett get inked soon. Just save some for Tex.

  32. Eric says:

    Say it ain’t so Joe

  33. E-ROC says:

    I would rather sign Sheets and every other TJ laden pitcher on the market over signing Burnett to that type of deal.

  34. Heh, FWIW, Baseball-Reference.com has those similarity scores… the pitcher most similar to Ben Sheets? A.J. Burnett (951 out of a possible 1000). And Sheets is the #2 most similar to Burnett (only Juan Guzman is higher, with a 958…)

  35. ko says:

    Burnett is a potential ace and he’s the one that the Yankees should pursue. He has a much higher ceiling than Sheets. The question is how much money to invest in such a risky pitcher. Luckily the Yankees have money to burn so that really isn’t a big issue for them.

    • He has a much higher ceiling than Sheets.

      Explain this, please. I’ve been looking at them all day and came to the exact opposite conclusion.

    • Chris C. says:

      “Burnett is a potential ace and he’s the one that the Yankees should pursue.”

      Potential ACE????????
      How old do you think he is, 22? The guy’s been around for 10 years now. When’s he gonna be an ace, when he’s 35?
      He is what he is………..a #3 starter………when healthy.

      “He has a much higher ceiling than Sheets.”

      He hasn’t reached his ceiling yet. He’s still growing as a pitcher. Wait until he comes into his own……..his grandkids will be so impressed watching him.

      Luckily the Yankees have money to burn so that really isn’t a big issue for them.

      Oh, so now you’re not too worried about Burnett either stinking or getting injured, because the YAnkees have money to burn?
      Before you had him as a potential ace
      now< it”s “what do we have to lose?”

  36. ko says:

    You might actually try looking at them pitch. You may be getting bleary eyed only looking at numbers

  37. B.George says:

    When I first read that the Yanks were going to offer this I wanted to slit my wrists and let them bleed until there was no blood left in my system. This is absolutley the dumbest contract offer I have ever read in my entire life. THis guy is on the DL more then the ammount of children Angelina Jolie plans on adopting. This makes zero ZERO sense to me. Why offer 80 million dollars to a HUGE RISK?????? If you wnt to take a chance on a risk pitcher who has the potential to be good you dont offer 80 mill and keep your self locked up for five years. And to all you people who are saying “Did you watch him when he pitched versus the Yankees?” Need to watch baseball other then Yankee games. I am absolutley disgusted by this contract offer and if this gets signed it has the potential to be absolutley disastarous. I am praying to the baseball gods that this does not happen.

    AJ Burnett=Carl Pavano 2.0

  38. Old Ranger says:

    Remember when I said that a lot of AJs’ trouble with injuries were related to his effort put into each pitch? It was causing to much strain on his body, therefore he would get hurt. I was told that he finally admitted to himself, this could be the problem. Maybe he has turned the corner and will stay relatively healthy. I like the deal not the years (if the problem is done). He would be a intricate part of this team. Conversely, I still have those health liabilities thoughts. 27/09.

  39. C.Panella says:

    Well only time will tell we dont even really know if this was an offical offer or just speculation only time will tell :-)

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  41. LeftyLarry says:

    Burnett will end the best of ALL the free agent pitchers.
    Next 3-5 years he’ll be absolutely dominant.
    His stuff has never been this good and he knows how to stay healthy now.
    I really hope we get him.

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  43. Leroy Loggins says:

    Burnetts FIP ERA was 3.45, far lower than his 4.07 ERA and his babip was .328, far above his career .293 average. Even despite these figures he achieved 18 wins on a poor team.
    The yankees are probably thinking his upside is a risk worth taking as it could put them over the top.

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