Frigid Stove Open Thread

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Saturday morning musings: Important Yankees

Why has the Hot Stove been so lame this year? Free agents have been able to negotiate with teams for two full weeks now, yet the only player to sign with a new team has been Jeremy Affeldt. Jon Heyman says a number of things could be affecting free agency, including the economy, Scott Boras, and CC Sabathia. It’s understandable that other free agent pitchers would wait for CC to sign so he could set the market, and of course Boras is Mr. My Client Will Sign When He’s Damn Well Ready, but come on man, throw a blogger a bone. We’re running out of things to write about.

Hopefully we get some actual news soon, because I’m going through withdrawals here. Until then, check out this wicked awesome video of the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade getting Rick Roll’d (h/t Jamal G.):

How great is that?

Here’s your open thread for the evening. The only local team in action tonight are the Rangers, who are down in Ft. Lauderdale to take on the Panthers. Otherwise you’ve got … uh … Dwayne Wade taking on old friend Shaq out in the desert. I guess that’s interesting.

You know the deal, anything goes, just be cool to each other.

The celebrity of King George
Saturday morning musings: Important Yankees
  • YankCrank20

    So I heard the rumor of the Yanks continuing to look at Zack Greinke. If he was obtainable for a decent package (which i doubt he would be), would you rather lose some prospects for Greinke (25, affordable with great stuff) or possibly have to go 5 years and $80+ million for AJ Burnett?

    • Steve H

      A guy who almost quit baseball because the pressure in Kansas City, in New York? No thanks. That’s just asking for trouble.

      • YankCrank20

        It wasn’t so much the pressure as it was depression, which he had treated. However I see what you mean. But something has to be enticing about someone his age throwing that hard, and his 3.47 era and 183 k’s in the AL last year.

        • Steve H

          Pretty sure the pressure was a big factor in leading to the depression though. And while it’s been treated, he’s more likely to succumb than someone who hasn’t battled depression before. For what he’d cost, the unknowns with him are way to big an issue for me.

        • Reggie C.

          Perhaps it was the pressure from being touted by club officials as an immediate ace pitcher. Greinke wasn’t ready then to assume that mantle. Now, he’s more ready and it helps that Meche isn’t a bad pitcher.

          I think Greinke would be an incredible pick-up and be the most electric 3rd starter in baseball. CC, Wang, and Greinke is a pretty sick three.

          Its likely not to happen though. I don’t think Greinke signs an extension b/c he’s gotta be watering at free agency, but the Royals dont have to trade him yet.

          • dan l

            Greinke is going no where this off season! Next off season is a different story if the Royals can’t extend him. Plus don’t you want to know if last season was a fluke before trading for him?

  • christopher

    the guy quit baseball a couple years ago because he couldnt handle the pressure in kansas city for a last place team. Do you want him pitchin a game 5 in boston in the ALCS?

  • christopher

    not that its a big deal, but why would the rangers trade away wes littleton who is only 26 and had a pretty good year pitching to a 3.69 ERA in 102 innings in Arlington for nothing.

    Are they that desperate for cash considerations or the famous player to be named later. I thought that they needed pitching

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      That ERA is largely because of how he pitched in 2006. The guy had a 4.77 ERA over the last two years while bouncing between AAA and the bigs. He was part of Texas’ pitching problems, not the solution.

    • AndrewYF

      Littleton had one good season 3 years ago, and is not a very good pitcher now. He is also out of options, so Texas decided to get something for him rather than nothing when they decide to pass him through waivers.

      I’m glad the Yankees don’t have to get crap-against-the-wall guys like Littleton for their bullpen anymore.

  • radnom

    A much better version of the Macy’s Parade rickroll video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

  • Ivan

    Well I hope ya guys (and gals) had a terrific Thanksgiving.

  • Bruno

    I WANT SALTY! (Posada DH, Matsui bench)

    • pat

      Would cost waaay to much. Especially considering we have a few studs comin through the ranks. Posada will keep it warm until romine is ready.

      • Baseballnation

        Let’s be extreme. If so many people expect Montero to move off of catcher to first because of size despite a far superior arm then Romine, then how bout we toy with the idea of Romine moving to LF in the future while Cervelli becomes the everyday catcher with his top notch defense?

        I just raise the possibility for fun and I know Romine is said to be more than athletic and projectable to stay at catcher, but if Montero can cover the 1b gap the yankees have in the organization, what if Romine was moved to left with Jackson at Center Field, and Cervelli at Catcher?

        • Steve

          His value is at C. Putting him in LF would make his bat and fielding below average for that position. If anything, you would trade him as a Catcher if you felt certain that Montero is your guy. Catchers who can field AND hit are rare, and worth their weight in gold.

          • Baseballnation

            Oh I get that his value is optimum at catcher but I’m just tossing around crazy hypotheticals as in if the Yankees keep all three then Cervelli would be best value behind homeplate, Montero at 1B and Romine who I think can develope 20 Hr power in LF

            • Ed

              I don’t think Cervelli is good enough to be an everyday catcher. A good backup, but not a starter.

              As for moving a catcher to another position, it’s usually not a good idea if he’s good enough to stick at the position. Good catchers are really hard to find, so they have good trade value.

              Look at Salty’s value – he was the centerpiece for 1.5 years of Teixeira, and now that his value has gone down, Texas is asking for a top pitching prospect for him.

    • dan l

      Drink more as your not drunk enough! What a dumb idea.

      • inman

        twist my arm. i will have another. actually a great idea

  • Baseballnation

    Greinke would be a phenomenal pickup…They’re some obvious red flags like how he’d mentally handle the pressure in new york, but he’ a much better future investment then either Burnett or Sheets and he he still has a considerable upside with the stuff to match. I won’t knock him at all for the bouts he suffered in ’06…He was the only gleaming light in what was otherwise a black hole (Royals,) and for a young 22 year old to bear that on his shoulder as well as youth, I can sympathize with that all.

  • E-ROC

    Zach Greinke suffers from social anxiety disorder and is currently on medication. His condition has/had nothing to do with the pressures of baseball.

    • E-ROC

      *Zack

    • Baseballnation

      Yes that is true, I heard about that. But anyone would have to think that the stresses of new york can trigger more anxiety stree from him thus possibly heavier dose of medication..??I dunno, I was clinically identified with Social anxiety from childhood up until college and I know personally even at a gathering of family and friends such as a new years get together or what have you can easily trigger anxiety attacks, so that is only elevated with a move to new york where it’s sure to be more chaotic. Still I think he can flourish. What alot of people don’t know about Greinke is he’s a quiet but fierce competitor.

      • E-ROC
        • Steve

          So he takes a pill that makes him stop hating Baseball?

          • Ed

            Imagine if we signed Adam Dunn and gave him that pill.

            • Steve H

              He might hit 40 hr’s and walk 100 times!!

  • E-ROC

    Lane Kiffin found a job coaching the University of Tennessee. Phillip Fullmer will land on his feet somewhere.

    • Eric

      They were talking about it during the Tenn/G-Town game today and one of the announcers kept talking about coaches knowing that this was “the job they’ve chosen” and how the precarious job situation comes w/the territory. But when he kept saying “the job they’ve chosen” all I could think of was Hyman Roth in Cuba.

  • Bill

    Would you guys do: Cano for Luke Hochavar, Mike Aviles, and David DeJesus.
    Then send Hughes + Gardner + Suttle for Peavy?

    Aviles replaces Cano, Hochavar replaces Hughes, and DeJesus replaces Gardner. Peavy replaces Ponson/Rasner.

    Rotation:
    C.C.
    Wang
    Peavy
    Pettite
    Joba

    with Hochavar and Kennedy in the wings.

    If they trade Cano, they would definetely need to get Tex though.

    • Steve H

      No. Hochevar and Dejesus aren’t that good, and Aviles had a good rookie year, at age 27. He was a .297/.338/.464 guy in the minors, so he’s due to come back to earth a bit. Way too much upside to Cano to give him up for 3 players who likely will never be All-Stars. Cano’s already been an All-Star, and is a potential batting champ with much more projectable power than Aviles.

    • Bill

      Lineup w/o Tex
      CF DeJesus
      SS Jeter
      LF Damon
      3B A-Rod
      DH Matsui
      -C Posada
      RF Nady
      1B Swisher
      2B Aviles

      Bench: Molina, Miranda, (UTIL IF), Melky

      Bullpen:
      Mo, Marte, Bruney, Ramerez, Coke, Robertson/Melancoln, Geise

      • dan l

        DeJesus is just not good enough to warrent trading for him. I would much rather have Spilborghs.

    • dan l

      Hell NO!

  • Eric

    Alright, call this crazy, I don’t know, I’m really pulling it out of my ass.

    Say the Yankees miss out on Tex, I say sign Adam Dunn and rock out these lineups:

    VS RHP

    1. Damon LF
    2. Jeter SS
    3. Dunn DH
    4. Rodriguez 3B
    5. Posada C
    6. Matsui 1B
    7. Swisher RF
    8. Cano 2B
    9. Gardner CF

    VS RHP

    1. Damon LF
    2. Jeter SS
    3. Dunn DH
    4. Rodriguez 3B
    5. Posada C
    6. Swisher 1B
    7. Nady RF
    8. Cano 2B
    9. Gardner CF

    This idea sounded great in my head when I didn’t have to think of defense. Offensively, I think it works great for the Yankees. Inserting a 100 walk/40 HR guy into the offense would definitely help ease the loss of Abreu and Giambi.

    Matsui learning how to play first could be problematic, but he said he’d be willing to do it and he’d be moving down the defensive spectrum which would ease the transition as well.

    I think the best way to utilize Nady is to platoon him, and this would help Matsui keep healthy, IMO. I could just be insane, though.

    • Bill

      nady has shown that he’s an everyday player, if he’s not starting their better off trading him for a SP. Matsui at 1B should not be considered now that they have Swisher who’s a GG Calibur 1B. Is Swisher’s isn’t starting at 1B, the ONLY reason he isn’t would be because Texiera is.

      No sense getting Dunn. He a 30 year old with a 40 year old’s athletic ability.

      • Eric

        Dunn will be 29 on Opening Day and will definitely be cheap. There’s essentially zero market for him and he could definitely be signed for a reasonable rate.

        As for his athletic ability, who cares? He’d be DHing. He’s got five straight years of 100 walks and 40+ homers, driving in 100 in four out of the last five.

        Nady COULD be an every day player, but I think he’s more the player we saw outside of the first week with the Yankees than the entire first half with Pittsburgh.

        Matsui is an everyday player, but with his declining health, I’d be inclined to platoon him to protect him. Also putting him at 1B would help.

        I wouldn’t exactly call Swisher a GG caliber 1B, either. RLYW has him at -5 runs saved at first base and 1 run saved at right field, so…..

        • Ed

          It’s too early to say there’s zero market for Dunn. Nobody is going to start thinking about him or Burrell until Manny and Tex sign. He probably isn’t even going to decide what he wants to ask for until after a few other guys sign.

        • dan l

          If the Yankees sign Dunn it will be for Rf next season and then Dh starting in 2010. He would be a much needed left handed bat if signed.

      • Steve H

        Dunn is the most consistent HR in baseball, especially since steroid testing began. For all of his faults, you can pencil him in for 40 hr’s and a high OBP. What’s not to like? Not to mention, I think that short porch in right would be very inviting. It’s not like you’re giving him 6 years. I would love to see Dunn brought in on a 3 or 4 year deal.

      • dan l

        Damon should be traded if a decent deal can be made. Play Swisher in Lf with Nady/Miranda at first base. I want to find out what Miranda can do before the 2010 season.

    • dan l

      I like having two very different lineups for left/right handed pitching. I want all the players on my team to play so everyone is ready and rested.

      I would trade Damon, sign Dunn, trade for Spilborghs and sign Willie Bloomquist.

      RHP

      Posada
      Miranda
      Cano
      Arod
      Jeter
      Swisher
      Gardner
      Dunn
      Matsui

      LHP

      Posada/Molina
      Nady/Swisher
      Cano/Bloomquist
      Arod
      Jeter
      Swisher/Spilborghs
      Gardner/Bloomquist/Swisher/Spilborghs
      Dunn/Spilborghs/Swisher
      Matsui/Spilborghs

      Best players play more!

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Willie Bloomquist fucking sucks. The guy has a .304 slugging percentage over the last three years. I’d rather they play with 24 men on the roster next year instead of seeing that guy anywhere near a baseball field.

        Spilborghs is another guy not worth the trouble. The guy’s OPS is nearly 140 points lower away from Coors. He is what he is, a good NL bench player.

        • pat

          sugarcoat it you did not…..

        • dan l

          Willie Bloomquist can play every defensive position decently and as a utility player is a fine choice. He can steal a base and last season in 192 pa had a obp of .377 and batted .279. Yes those are career highs but he’s only likely to get at most 200 pa with the Yankees so is it really a big deal?

          As for Spilborghs you don’t know what you at writing about do you? Just bash all Rockies right?

          Road splits

          08 .296 ba, .399 obp, .831 ops
          07 .290 ba, .346 obp, .815 ops

          Yes his home splits are outstanding but I want him because of his solid road splits. He is one of the best pinch hitters in all of baseball. He is a good defensive outfielder. He has never gotten a real shot at starting with who was playing in front of him. Ryan might turn into a very good starting outfielder or he can continue to be a great 4th outfielder cheap for the next 4 seasons.

          Teixeira’s home/road differential for his career is 99 points so does this mean he sucks too?

        • Mike Pop

          I really never thought I would see an argument for Willie Bloomquist on this blog lol.. Thats funny shit.. I would like Dunn though.. Def for RF/1b and then DH in 2010

          • dan l

            Bloomquist sucks an of course I know that but he is the perfect 25th man. He is a good defender all over the field not great but decent. He can steal a base or pinch run late in a game so he has some value plus he is a free agent. Who else is out there as a utility player? Adam Everett? He has only played SS. Alfredo Amezaga who would cost a player or two?

            • pat

              justin christain does all those things and is already on the roster

              • dan l

                Justin Christian replaces who? Bloomquist no he can’t play all defensive positions and Spilborghs can play circles around him offensively.

  • Baseballnation

    “Cano for Luke Hochavar, Mike Aviles, and David DeJesus.”

    I’d do that…But that’s not a great mover for KC

    “Hughes + Gardner + Suttle for Peavy?”

    Again I’d do that but not to sure if that’s a deal Pads bite on…Maybe have to add Veras

    • dan l

      You need to drink more!

      • Baseballnation

        Abstinate but thanks, and If you wouldn’t trade Cano for Aviles, Dejesus, and Hochevar than your out of your the one who’s already drunk sir.

        • YankCrank20

          I’m very grateful that Brian Cashman is our GM and not you. I hope you were being sarcastic and i just didn’t pick up on it…

        • dan l

          Aviles had one good high ba supported high obp season so what makes you think he can do it again? It’s not like the guy is 23/24 either. Heck he only played in 102 games not even a full season.

          DeJesus is so over rated it’s sad. He is nothing more then a light power hitting corner outfielder going forward so no thank you.

          Hochevar has done exactly what so far that makes you want him?

  • Eric

    There is no way KC is trading Aviles. And I wouldn’t give up Cano for DeJesus, either.

    And I wouldn’t give up Hughes. At all. Unless it was for like…Pujols or Hamels or Lincecum…and that ain’t gonna happen.

  • VO

    I understand everyones thinking on Dunn but seriously guys theres NO room for him, he is horific in the field (so i hear honestly ive never seen him play) and we already have subpar talent in the outfield specifically left field with johnny damon who can barely reach second base (no offense to johnny) we need another young athletic guy who wont make us die everytime a ball is hit to him.

    • pat

      Damon might not have a great am but he more than makes up for it by taking good routes and is still pretty quick for a LF. His .375 obp was good for 5th best in mlb for all LF, and his 29 stolen bases were good for 2nd most. All in all johnny’s offensive output vastly outweighs his arm strength deficiency.

    • Mike Pop

      Dunn is strictly brought in for his bat.. The dude would be a great pickup if we can get him on a 2-4 year deal worth 15 or 16 per.. Dude will probably give you 35 hrs, 100 rbis, and 100 walks per year.. Makes up for the plate patience that we miss in Giambi or Abreu.. Dunn/Swish makes up for those 2 for seeing the pitches “yaaaaaa meaaaannn”

    • dan l

      There is plenty of room for Dunn. Play him in RF with Swisher in LF and platoon Nady with Miranda at first base. We need to get Miranda some playing time. Nady can also DH and play some corner outfield as well.

  • VO

    As for the Cano trade, your expecting production from an unproven guy who had one good season in aviles but you have to remember you have seen an even better season from cano and this off season he has become more fit and athletic i would not trade cano for ANYTHING below puljos and as ‘eric’ said b4 thats just not happening, same thing goes for hughes you havent really seen the kid yet, hes the yankees best pitching prospect you cant just give up on him and give him away for peavy, because peavy throw ALOT of pitches and the 5th inning he is usually up aroudn 90 pitches already. If the upcoming season he doesnt have a reasonable year then MAYBE you can look into options although his value may have dropped your still going to get prime talent for him as he would only be 23

  • C.Panella

    LOL oh god guys having Dunn/Swish in same lineup = 400ks between the two!

    • C.Panella

      Not to mention Dunn/Swish/damon/nady all are subpar fielders cmon fellas wake up

      • dan l

        Trade Damon while he has value.

    • Eric

      Not to mention about 200 walks, probably somewhere between 50-60 home runs, 100-200 RsBI…yeah, don’t want that on my team! Please. It’s not like those two strikeout because they’re overmatched or because they’re free swingers. They strikeout a lot because they go deep into counts and thus often have two strikes on them.

  • christopher

    A new post will probably go up shortly so i am sure this will be missed, but the our old friends the pirates are looking to deal some of their veterans and one of the names was quite intriuging – Adam Laroche who put up pretty impressive numbers and could be a guy that the yankees stick at 1st for a few years.

    Obvously we learned from the swisher deal that we can value players much better than we can contracts and Laroche is on his way to making pretty good money especially for the pirates – he made 5 million last seaon and is going to be due for a raise and the pirates may feel he will be tooo expensive to have around once the team, or mor aptly, if the team ever ets better.

    His career totals are pretty impressive and on a better team would surely drive in 100 runs. Career averages of .273/.340/.492/.832 with homerun totals of 20, 32, 21, and 25 (in a season he played in only 136 games).

    He would basically replace Gardner in the line-up and we would have to live with Damon in center for another year, but this is a deal that would both improve the offense and get us younger. He is no Texiera, but for the difference in price of at least 15 million I would say he is a perfect fit.

    What will it cost? As I said we have no idea how GMs value salaries, but i have to believe that if the pirates are williing to shop around a quality firstbaseman in his prime than it must have something to do with what his salary will be next season. Perhaps Ian Kennedy and Melky. I know the offer is low, but Kennedy still has the potentialto be a very good MLB pitcher and you never know how much getting rid of that salary might mean to them. After this season’s arbitration he may be their highest paid player. We could maybe sweeten the deal for them by taking back jack wilson to serve as a utility infielder who has for his production and that team a very bad contract,