Nov
01

Hank talks — too much — about Manny

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Via The Star Ledger staff comes another Hank Steinbrenner gem:

Ramirez in pinstripes?

Hank Steinbrenner said the Yankees will explore all options during the offseason, including the possibility of making an offer to the free-agent slugger.

“There’s nothing we are not looking at,” the team’s co-chairperson said Friday at the team’s spring training complex. “And personally, I like Manny. He’s one of the greatest hitters in the history of the game. He’s a free spirit for sure, but he knows how to win. We like some of the other guys, too. We just don’t know yet.”

Personally, I too like Manny Ramirez. Despite his age, despite his baggage, he is still one of the top five hitters in Major League Baseball. What I don’t like, however, is Hank Steinbrenner spouting off about the Yankees’ off-season plans.

I have no problem with Hank’s tendency to talk too much. But as he did last year, Hank is in danger of overplaying the Yankees’ hand. He may not have the baseball prowess or power to make a move, but he is part of the family that signs the checks. If he says he wants Manny Ramirez, then Manny and Scott Boras have even more leverage. The Yanks are better off if Hank says nothing. Whether Manny comes to New York is an entirely different story altogether.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • Troy

    Put a freaking muzzle on the guy. Damn

  • Marty Puccio

    Please don’t sign this scumbag. I know he can hit, but I’ve hated him for so long that I honestly couldn’t root for him ever.

    • Shamus

      Its funny, I remember a lot of people saying that exact line about A-Rod last year after he opted-out.

      Shit. If they lose Abreu and Giambi, and Tex goes elsewhere, then i say they DO sign Manny for three years, $70M.

  • bill

    Hank always talks a good game but he never does anything.

    to me he just blowing smoke when the time comes to bid for Manny he will come up with some type of excuse why he did not sign and why mostly likely no other big free agent signings occur.

    An example of this was he was going to oubid for every international and amateur talent. look at the Red Sox and Royals draft how they outspent us (I know about Cole) but look at how much more the Red Sox money spent after the first round and look what the Yankees Spent.

    Also on the international front this year there small market teams outspending the Yankees

    Lets see if Hank offers arbirtration to Ivan Rodriquez so we can get the draft pick for him.

    • steve (different one)

      so much wrong here don’t even know where to begin.

  • Frank B.

    IMHO yanks will offer IRod arbitration, hoping he will decline. But if he accepts they will trade him and eat some of his salary. They can afford to do that.

  • Steve S

    I don’t really think he gave anything away on that one. I think Cashman has almost made the same comments. Plus what if they arent interested and Hank causes another team to overpay for him as a result. Whats the difference between this and lets say if the Yankees made an offer and that got out?

    And to cut Hank some slack, apparently, the AP has a reporter stationed right by his car in Tampa looking for quotes every day. The guy does like to talk and the media takes everything they can get. On the Santana stuff he got carried away. All he said here was that they will look at everyone and he personally likes Manny.

  • ortforshort

    Ramirez is a Sheffield on steroids. You sign him and then regret that signing for the rest of your life. He gives you a righty power bat, but everything else is off the charts negative. It seems to be the way Yankee brass has been “thinking” since George has faded into the background – rather than pull the trigger on a young superstar for long term, sign some over the hill superstar for a fraction of that. Welcome to the AL East basement with that strategy

    • steve (different one)

      It seems to be the way Yankee brass has been “thinking” since George has faded into the background – rather than pull the trigger on a young superstar for long term, sign some over the hill superstar for a fraction of that.

      this is a pretty dumb comment and not the first time you’ve made it.

      George was the one who wanted Sheffield.

      Cashman wanted Guerrero.

      George wanted Randy Johnson.

      Cashman wanted Beltran.

      your entire premise is completely backwards.

    • Mike Pop

      obviously Guerrero would of been a hell of alot better than Sheff but the Sheff signing wasnt that bad

      • steve (different one)

        you’re right, Sheff raked for a year or so. but this guy was saying the Sheff was a “typical” signing in this post-Steinbrenner ERA.

        but anyone who even casually follows the Yankees should know that Steinbrenner personally signed Sheffield. he signed Sheffield despite the fact that Cashman wanted Vlad and was already negotiating with him.

        this is such common knowledge by this point that it is fairly surprising to read a post like this.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      You sign him and then regret that signing for the rest of your life. He gives you a righty power bat, but everything else is off the charts negative.

      You know what’s really, really off the charts negative? Those two rings Manny won. While OPSing like 1100.

      That sucked.

    • Chris C.

      Right……that’s the same “George” that drove the Yankees into the ground by the early 90′s, only to be rescued by Gene Michael and Buck Showalter through methodical interior building and trades for certain players who fit into what they wanted to do.

      And now you’re going to pretend that a Manny Ramirez signing ISN’T something George Steinbrenner used to do? C’mon.

  • mustang

    If the Yankees sign Manny then I truly have no idea what direction this organization is going.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      So signing a player who’s 47.6 VORP ranked in the top-25 of all Major League hitters (based on his N.L. numbers only) is not indicative of the Yankees putting forth a winning squad? How about signing a player who’s .404 Equivalent Average – over his stay in the N.L. – ranked as the best in the Senior Circuit?

      You may not like him for myriad of reasons; it still does not change the fact that he can help the New York Yankees in the immediate future. Since he will only cost money, we are not sacrificing the long-term future to acquire Manny Ramirez.

      TSJC made a point in previous Manny threads that I wholeheartedly agree with: Who is going to produce to the levels of Manny Ramirez in the 2009 and 2010 free-agent classes? Vladimir Guerrero (2010)? It looks like that dude’s body is ready to snap at a moment’s notice. Matt Holliday? Sure, he’d be a fine acquisition as a free agent. However, you do realize that Matt Holliday put up a 150-OPS+ as a N.L. hitter (this season) when Manny Ramirez has had a OPS+ of 152 or higher from 1999 to 2006, and another 164-OPS+ campaign this season (219 in the same league and division as Matt Holliday).

      The point is that Manny Ramirez will eventually regress to Matt Holliday in his current prime. To solve a short-term problem we have (power production in the near future), Manny Ramirez is a great fit.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Jamal, Do you ever listen to Bloc Party?

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          Never heard of ‘em ’till just now, man.

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            ok, nevermind then.

      • mustang

        The problem that man carries out weight is bat. I know that’s a hard idea to understand for the Stat. gods here, but it’s true. Adding another old defensibly shitty DH type is need on the Yankees as much as they need for Hank to speak up. When evaluating a player lets try to evaluate the whole package not just the Stat. the last time I checked MLB is played on the field not on PS3.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Talk about a tired argument. Even if Manny is only a DH for the next four years, he’s still lightyears better than any other DH the Yanks can put in there. That’s how you evaluate a player and not through whatever odd construct you’re attempting to put out there.

          • mustang

            Manny is 36 you think he is going to hit the same for the next four years?
            Please, and then all your going to have is the same Manny being Manny bullshit, but pinstripes.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

              The same? No, but when Manny declines, he’ll still be better than the vast majority of potential replacements.

              As for incessant posting about the youth movement, nothing about the youth movement precludes signing Manny Ramirez. He’s not blocking young players, and we’re not saying the Yanks should trade every good young player to get him. The two are not mutually exclusive, obviously.

              • whozat

                If, you know, he decides he wants to play. This is the man that complained that the BOSTON media wouldn’t leave him alone and wasn’t fair. When Manny’s unhappy, he’s not the same player — if he doesn’t lie his way onto the bench all together.

                I just don’t look at this team and think “Oh, they need another DH/OF”

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  Your first point is a valid one, and it’s a real cause for concern if the Yanks are truly going to be in on the Manny Ramirez sweepstakes.

                  But as to your second point, I’m not on board with that. Ramirez isn’t just “another” DH/OF. He’s the best DH/OF around and one of the game’s best players of all time. Look at this list. That’s some grand company. It’s tough, from a production point of view, to pass up that, and the Yanks aren’t going to simply because they have one or two other guys who can play the outfield and DH. They’d pass on Manny because of personality issues and length of contract + AAV.

                • mustang

                  Manny also said that the reason he liked playing in LA was because when they lost people just said to get them tomorrow, but in Boston every game was like a Sunday football game.

                  This is what you want?

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  I’m going to list the years where Many Ramirez was reportedly “unhappy”, requested a trade or “quit” on his team:

                  2003: .325/.427/.587; 160 OPS+; 37 HR; 67.9 VORP (3rd in A.L.)

                  2004: .308/.397/.613; 152 OPS+; 43 HR; 57.9 VORP (8th in A.L.)

                  *2006: .321/.439/.619; 165 OPS+; 100 BB; 35 HR; 66.1 VORP (7th in A.L.)

                  2007: .296/.388/.493; 126 OPS+; 20 HR; 33 2B; 34.6 VORP (26th in A.L.); .317/.393/.539 (Post ASB, as in crunch time!!111!1!)

                  2008 (BOS): .299/.398/.529; 136 OPS+; 20 HR; 22 2B; 35.9 VORP

                  *- Derek Jeter is the 2006 A.L. MVP.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  Manny also said that the reason he liked playing in LA was because when they lost people just said to get them tomorrow, but in Boston every game was like a Sunday football game.

                  This is what you want?

                  Correct me if I’m wrong, but is that not the exact thing that we were taught as kids when we first picked up a bat and glove? To not dwell on the past, look towards tomorrow’s game? Isn’t that the beauty of our beloved game, the fact that there is always a game tomorrow?

                  I thought we would want our players to not dwell on a loss and instead look for greener pastures in the next game. I guess that’s just mua.

                • mustang

                  If it was meant in that fashion then your right, but I doubt it was.
                  LOL

              • mustang

                “No, but when Manny declines, he’ll still be better than the vast majority of potential replacements.”

                So now we can see into the future and forecast how Manny is going to decline. OK

                Look the bat is great, but everything else is poison when his bat finally goes I don’t want the Yankees to be the ones holding the Manny is being Manny card.
                .

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  So now we can see into the future and forecast how Manny is going to decline. OK

                  To a relative degree of certainty, yes. It’s that so-called Stat. thing you kept referring to above, and it’s fairly accurate as much as you might not want to admit it.

                • mustang

                  How did the Stat. thing work for you this season?

                  I’m not saying that stat. don’t matter, but they are not the end all of end all that people make them out to be.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  Considering the unexpected and very costly injuries, the stat thing actually worked out pretty well. Thanks for asking though.

                • mustang

                  Yes,” pretty well” A-Rod is good example lets forget the like 1 for 17 or something vs. Boston in that must win series and the Angles series. But his Stat. looked great at the end as he is playing golf.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  We all know Alex Rodriguez had a frustrating month of August, but to paint the picture of him having absolutely nothing to do with this team’s success is quite unfair.

                  There are a plethora a reasons why the 2008 Yankees finish third in MLB’s version of the “NFC Beast”, Alex Rodriguez is not one of them. Hell, the man will most likely (and deservedly) earn a top-five finish in the A.L. MVP voting, how can you seriously lay the blame of an entire season at his feet based on 17 At-Bats?

                • steve (different one)

                  uhh, A-Rod hit well in all 3 series against Anaheim:

                  .250/.333/.500
                  .444/.583/1.333
                  .273 /.333 /.545

                  overall, he hit .306/.405/.722 against the Angels this year.

                  the pitching failed the Yankees against Anaheim.

                  yes, i know, no matter what “facts” i present you, nothing will convince you that A-Rod doesn’t suck.

                  i admire your consistency though, even when it’s not based in reality.

                • mustang

                  Because Jamal my dear friend those 17 at-bats came at the time that matter the most. It’s when the ” greatest player ever” shows up. I don’t give shit about a top-five finish in the A.L. MVP voting that’s an afterthought, but I do care that my team didn’t make the payoffs.

                • mustang

                  “yes, i know, no matter what “facts” i present you, nothing will convince you that A-Rod doesn’t suck.

                  i admire your consistency though, even when it’s not based in reality.”

                  Thank you and admire your consistency too regardless of what actually happens on the field.

                  I never said A-Rod sucks I just think he is a little lost hopefully he will find himself in the next 9 years.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  I never said A-Rod sucks I just think he is a little lost hopefully he will find himself in the next 9 years.

                  Like winning two M.V.P awards in a four-year span? How about being one of the main reasons the Yankees made the playoffs in the 2004-2007 seasons? How about him being one of the main reasons why the Yankees were even in contention for a postseason berth as long as they were, in 2008?

                • steve (different one)

                  I never said A-Rod sucks I just think he is a little lost hopefully he will find himself in the next 9 years.

                  you said he sucked against the Angels.

                  that’s what you said. the facts say otherwise. no big deal.

                  i’m not even against your overall point, he struggled at times this year. he could have been better. he was a little “lost” in August. no disagreement.

                  i was simply pointing out that he manhandled Angels’ pitching this year, and he shouldn’t be blamed for those losses.

                  just for the record, Jeter hit .237/.302/.237 against Anaheim this year.

                  Jeter hit .237/.302/.237. A-Rod hit .306/.405/.722

                  sorry, there is just no way to spin those numbers. none.

                • mustang

                  Guys I have nothing against A-Rod I actually think that he is an incredible talent, but there is a block there. And it’s that block that I don’t understand and that drives me crazy. If he ever got passed that then I think that the title ” greatest play ever ” might actually fit and that alone speaks volumes about the man.

                  steve (different one) your real good with numbers so you’re probably right on the Angel thing my bag. I just remember him being in a big slump during the last or next to last series vs. the Angels.

                • mustang

                  “How about him being one of the main reasons why the Yankees were even in contention for a postseason berth as long as they were, in 2008?”

                  That’s a little strong I can easily make the argument that he was one of the reason that they didn’t make the playoffs.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  This I would love to hear because it’s practically factually impossible to make the argument that the Yanks missed the playoffs because of A-Rod. There’s rational dislike and there’s blind hatred. You exhibit some unknown blind hatred of A-Rod and willful ignorance of his positive impact on the team.

                • steve (different one)

                  steve (different one) your real good with numbers so you’re probably right on the Angel thing my bag. I just remember him being in a big slump during the last or next to last series vs. the Angels.

                  no problem.

                  you’re right, he slumped big time in August, when most of those games were played.

                  hopefully he has one of those years in 2009 like he had in 2007 when he avoids a major slump. when he does that, he wins MVPs.

                • mustang

                  “hopefully he has one of those years in 2009 like he had in 2007 when he avoids a major slump. when he does that, he wins MVPs.”

                  I’m with you on that from your mouth to God’s ears.

                • mustang

                  “You exhibit some unknown blind hatred of A-Rod and willful ignorance of his positive impact on the team.”

                  No hated at all read above.

                  “This I would love to hear because it’s practically factually impossible to make the argument that the Yanks missed the playoffs because of A-Rod. ”

                  The whole month of August if I remember right their 4th and 5th spots couldn’t hit them out of a bag with RISP in August. And how many DP did A-Rod hit into in August?
                  It wasn’t all him, but he didn’t help.

                • mustang

                  The Boston series in August ? Didn’t he in one game produce 7 outs in 5 at bats ?

                  I’m not a stat. man, but I don’t think that’s good.

          • mustang

            Youth movement ? What happen?

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

              Having said “Youth Movement” does not entail an organization to sacrifice the good of the team just so said organization can say, “Hey look, we are getting younger!”.

              The acquisition of Manny Ramirez does not affect any youth movement because he would be primarily taking away At-Bats from Hideki Matsui. Also, since there is no power-hitting prospect that is Major League ready in the Yanks’ system (You could say Juan Miranda, but he is not of the talent that would warrant playing time over Ramirez) that could offer league-average production.

              So which would you rather have: Hideki Matsui for 2009 and scramble to find a DH for 2010-2012; or Manny Ramirez for the 2009-2012 campaigns as your primary DH?

              • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                Also, since there is no power-hitting prospect that is Major League ready in the Yanks’ system (…) that could offer league-average production.

              • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                Also, Miranda is hardly a youth. He’s a “Cuban” 25. That could mean anything.

    • mustang

      And how is this part of the YOUTH movement that is the heartbeat of RAB ?

      • Joop

        Wow, your thought process is a joke.

        • mustang

          You said that about 2 month ago I’m happy to still be entertaining you.

    • Chris C.

      “If the Yankees sign Manny then I truly have no idea what direction this organization is going.”

      Same direction they were headed for in the 80′s. Right to the top of the draft order.

  • mustang

    ” He’s a free spirit for sure, ”

    I’m a little old, but is free spirit the new in word for asshole.

    • Chris C.

      Yeah, he also shoved a 67 year old employee of the Red Sox to the ground because the guy couldn’t comp him 25 tickets for is buddies in Houston that were in the same section.

      Yeah, what a fun-loving free spirit. I’m sure that’s what you’d be thinking if that was your dad he shoved.

  • Mulls

    mannys greatest value to the yankees is that he usurps arod from being the man that has to carry this offense. thats invaluable both to arods psyche and the teams collective psyche.

    • Chris C.

      Wow, imagine that!

      So not only did the Yankees give AROD about 28 mill a year to rake at the plate, but now they must sign a guy who wants about 25 mill a year to basically act as an on-the-team psychologist to make him feel relaxed at the plate.

      So it costs the Yankees over 50 mill a year to get top production from Alex Rodriquez. What a bargain.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    The Swedes have a saying, which I, in my opinion, sums up the Manny question rather succinctly.

    “Ta odjuret med långt hår och som ett påtryckningsmedel.”

    Words to live by.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Take the beast with long hair and as a lever.

      Heh, nice.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Well, “as a lever”, could also mean “carries a big stick”.

  • KO

    I hear about dumb comments that I’ve made about Cashman wanting Guerrero and Beltran in the past and that George stepped in and got Sheffield and Damon instead. I don’t buy it – and the reason I don’t buy it is George’s history prior to these deals and Cashman, Hank’s and Hal’s tendencies since. George was always willing to give out the long contract to get the big guy. Why would he suddenly stop. I’m hearing ugly rumors this winter that Cashman, Hal and Hank don’t want to go the years to get Sabbathia and Teixeira. That behavior would be consistent with them calling the shots on the Guerrero and Beltran passes and not George. George was probably well on his decline when those non-deals happened, it just wasn’t public yet. We’ll see this winter. If Cashman, Hal and Hank opt for old guys at short years rather than young guys you can build a winner around, then I’m right and the Yankees, unfortunately, are doomed

    • Chris C.

      I hear about dumb comments that I’ve made about Cashman wanting Guerrero and Beltran in the past and that George stepped in and got Sheffield and Damon instead. I don’t buy it – and the reason I don’t buy it is George’s history prior to these deals and Cashman, Hank’s and Hal’s tendencies since.

      You really want George’s history prior to these deals?
      Here’s what you need to know, in a nutshell: He demanded the trading of Bernie Williams in the early 90′s, was mad as hell over the Roberto Kelly for Paul O’Neill trade, and later demanded the trading of Andy Pettitte during the 1998 season.

      When he returned from his suspension, he said publically about Gene Michael, “He’s ruined my team!”

      Anything else you’d like to contribute on George’s history of building championships?