Open Thread: Early GM tidbits

A special memory
All about the arms

This ought to tide everyone over until the overnight…

PeteAbe has a few tidbits from Brian Cashman at the GM meetings. The relevant parts:

1. He does not consider center field a priority. With Brett Gardner, Johnny Damon and Melky Cabrera around and Austin Jackson on the way, the Yankees are deep there.

2. The Yankees are out to acquire two starters. “We won’t be one and done,” Cashman said. You can interpret that in a few ways. It could be one new player and Andy Pettitte, two new players or maybe two new players and Pettitte. Cashman said that right, Wang and Joba are the only starters he has.

3. Joba will start the 2009 season as a starter and they’ll come up with a plan to protect him as best they can.

4. Ian Kennedy will pitch winter ball in Puerto Rico. He is Tampa throwing now and is scheduled to start his first game on Friday.

Pete also believes that Bobby Abreu will be elsewhere next season, and I agree.

I have a few random notes about these rumors before I open the floor. If the Yanks are set on acquiring two starters, they should make sure one of them is Sabathia. They don’t need A.J. Burnett and Ryan Dempster or Derek Lowe. They need Sabathia and either Burnett or Ben Sheets. There’s no reason to overpay for someone who won’t be that good.

Center field will be whatever it is next season. But keep in mind that, three years ago, the Yankees said they were content with Bubba Crosby in center field before landing Johnny Damon in December. Cashman is not about to overplay his center field hand if he has sights set on some trade targets. The Yankees would clearly lose their negotiating position that way.

Finally, Ian Kennedy in Puerto Rico will either be an effort to reign in his control after a disappointing 2008 or an effort to showcase him. As he was last year, Ian Kennedy remains the pitcher I’d least object to seeing included in a trade, and if the Yankees can fill one of their holes via a Kennedy trade, I am less inclined to oppose it. Remember: The Santana deal didn’t happen because the Yanks weren’t keen on trading Kennedy; the Santana deal — if it wasn’t ever on the table — didn’t happen because the Twins wanted way more than just Kennedy. For better or worse, Kennedy remains the pitching prospect most likely to be on a different team come Spring Training.

OK, readers. The floor is yours.

A special memory
All about the arms
  • Steve

    Check out this lil gem from Kevin Towers

    “It could happen this week if the Padres’ Kevin Towers finds a trade partner at the general managers meetings in Dana Point.

    While the Yankees aren’t in Peavy’s preferred National League, the idea isn’t completely wacky.

    “Playing with (Derek) Jeter, playing for the pinstripes,” Towers said, the idea rumbling around to give him a New York state of mind. “It’s down the list; he wants to stay in the National League.

    “But if that doesn’t work out, we maybe go back to them and ask them if they would consider New York.”

    The Yankees possess two things that the Padres seek: money and prospects. If the Steinbrenners give Peavy some green, and send some green players to San Diego, who knows?

    “It’s probably the only American League team Jake would consider. He talks with Derek Jeter all the time,” the Encinitas-based Axelrod said. “He said to me at one point, ‘Gosh, every kid growing up dreams about the pinstripes.’ “

    Even an Alabama native accustomed to the sleepy backcountry instead of a city that never sleeps?

    “He wouldn’t even be intimidated by pitching in Yankee Stadium —- he is not Ed Whitson,” Axelrod said. “He would go back there and face up to the challenge and the fans would love him, even though he is a country boy. They would love that competitiveness.” ”

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/11/02/sports/paris/z34f4c0d171ee3732882574f500833a61.txt

    Sounds like Towers would like to keep the Yanks involved, and even Peavey’s agent doesn’t kill the idea.

    • Steve

      I’ve never counted the Yanks out, despite some reports. Peavey has never killed the idea of playing in NY, he has simply said his preference in to stay in the NL.

      The Yanks are the best fit for Peavey, and both sides know it. The Padres are looking for OF and pitching, and maybe some catching help. The Yanks have good prospects for all three spots, plus can pick up his 22 mil option without blinking. I also think Towers would value (USC grad) IPK more than almost anyone else as will, and that’s a good park for him to pitch in.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        I maintain that the Dodgers are the best fit for Peavy and the Pads. Kemp + McDonald is better than just about any reasonable package the Yanks could put together.

      • AndrewYF

        I still doubt that Kennedy/Jackson/…what, Romine (the Yankees aren’t trading their top two position prospects (Jackson and Montero) for one pitcher, even if it’s Peavy) would get it done, especially if the Braves are offering Heyward, a better prospect than any of what the Yankees have.

        • Steve

          All indications have been that the Braves don’t want to part with their top guys, and it makes sense for them. They have all sorts of needs and Peavey won’t be some magic bullet that gets them to the playoffs. They’re better off standing pat.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            I saw a report today (on MLBTR I think) that they’d be willing to give up Yunel Escobar. A package built around Yunel & Jordan Schafer isn’t terrible, but I think they could do better.

            Yunel + Schafer + Hanson and Peavy would be a Brave.

  • ortforshort

    Agreed on the pitchers. Sabbathia at any cost and Sheets at a more reasonable price and the Yankees are good to go. I also think Mussina is angling himself for a multiyear deal by hinting at retiring. Gardner is not the answer in center and Jackson is not a sure thing and may not be ready to be a solid big league contributor for two or three years. Unfortunately there aren’t many options out there, but I’d consider going after Rowand if the Giants wanted to dump him. I also wouldn’t give up on Kennedy. If the Yankees can get two solid starters, then the pressure is off and he can compete for a rotation spot as time goes on. Same for Hughes.

  • Ben B.

    I would rather trade for Peavey than sign Sheets or Burnett, even with the switch in leagues and movement away from an extreme pitcher’s park, because the Pavano and Wright signings totally taxed my patience for signing FA pitcher’s with more than modest health histories.

    • Steve

      Here’s how I would prioritize my pitching targets for this off season.
      1-Sabathia
      2-Pettitte
      3-Peavey
      4-Sheets
      5-Burnett
      6-Lowe

      In that order.

      -CC’s easy for #1.

      -I’d rather have Andy than Peavey, he’s proven in NY and always gives you 200+ IP.

      -I’d rather have Peavey than Sheets, he’s tougher mentally and healthier.

      -I’d rather have Sheets than Burnett because since both are injury prone, Sheets is a slightly better pitcher (fewer BBs)

      -Lowe is my last resort if all else fails.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Personally, I’d drop Lowe off the list and stick Pettitte at the bottom. He may always give you 200 innings, but if they’re 200 innings like last year, I’d rather not see ’em come in pinstripes.

        • Steve

          I don’t think Pettitte is shot, he’s allowed a bad 2 months after all he’s done for this franchise. Plus, it was leaked out that he was hurt (shoulder?) and thats why he had trouble finishing his pitches.

          Let me give you a good reason to have a balanced rotation between lefties/righties. Look at what happened to the Cubs this post season. They had an unbalanced lineup and were very susceptible to righties, and were exposed in the playoffs. Other playoff teams had key parts of their lineups heavy on either righty or lefty batters. I’d like to be able to expose those flaws from either side come October 09.

          • Steve

            BTW-Despite his down season, Andy was DEATH on lefties this season. .203/.241/.286/.527

            http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/psplit.cgi?n1=pettian01&year=2008

          • Ivan

            Plus, Pettitte FIP was 3.74 and his BABIP was .343, so it’s not like he was gettin destroyed here.

            • Steve

              Righties knocked him around this year. Supposedly the bad shoulder meant he had trouble finishing off his cutter, according to Girardi.

        • Troy

          I’m completely against Lowe. I have C.C. and Burnett on my pitcher’s list, but that’s it for external options. No one else should be considered

      • Ivan

        “I’d rather have Peavey than Sheets, he’s tougher mentally”

        How did you come to that opinion? I mean how do you know that?

        • Steve

          I probably cant dig any links up, but that was rumored around the Brewers this year during the season and then again around the playoffs. Some of the announcers even referred to it on the TV broadcasts, how the manager and teammates had to cajole him into pitching during the playoffs.

          It might have just dated back to the blockhead Ned Yost telling him to “tough it out” when he was hurt (which was often) which may very well be his answer to everything from what we know about Yost. But then it came up again with Sveum in the playoffs. As it turned out, he did go out and pitch and got shelled in his outing.

          The fact he was in a walk year may have had something to do with his willingness to risk injury as well. I don’t fault him for that, he’s got a family to take care of. I do know that Girardi L-O-V-E-S Sheets and is one of his biggest boosters in the organization. Kay talks about that often on his radio show.

          • Ivan

            Well Peavy never pitches well in a big game either too you know.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              And Ben Sheets has pitched well in (an extremely small sample of) big games.

              • Ivan

                Your talking about the 00 olympic game in Sidney right?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  Yep, and it’s not just the Gold Medal game. Three starts in the Olympics: 22 IP, 11 H, 1 BB, 11 K.

                  Plus Sheets has pitched in the same number of playoff games as Burnett: zero.

                • Ivan

                  Oswalt was on that team right?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  And Minky!

            • Steve

              Never? All two of them means never?

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                Well, three if you count Game 163 last year.

                • Steve

                  Now now now hooold on a minute bubby.

                  That’s a regular season game according to the book keepers.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  Well, yeah. But it was a pretty big game.

                • Steve

                  Yeah, well so was Sheet’s last start against the Cubs, which I somehow remembered as a playoff game earlier in this thread.

                  It felt important, what can I tell you.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  That’s true, but he was pitching hurt with that torn muscle in his elbow.

                  Bonus points for grittily pitching hurt.

        • christopher

          physically i can see, but i never remember hearing sheets not being mentally tough…in fact this guy has probably pitched through a ton of pain in his career – that takes mental toughness in my opinion

      • Alan

        I would take Sheets, but only if he comes at a reasonable price. His injury history and switching from the NL to the AL screams Jaret Wright.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Oh come on. Not every pitcher in the NL would crap his pants in the AL. Sheets’ fb, cb command package would play just fine in the AL East. The injuries are obviously a concern, but they are with every pitcher.

        • A.D.

          Sheets now is a shitload better than when Jaret Wright left the Braves

      • christopher

        you would rather have petitte than peavy – are you insane. i dont care where the guy has been pitching he may have the best pure stuff in all of baseball. put CC and Peavy at the top of the rotation would make for a dominant starting 5.

        At this point in his career Andy is an above average pitcher – peavy has the stuff of a possible future hall of famer. Everyone love linebrink – well peavy is an older linebrink

        • Steve

          Andy’s proven, reliable, gives you a ton of innings and I like having 2 lefties in the rotation come playoff time. Andy it is.

          I also have questions about Peavey switching leagues and more importantly, ballparks. His home/road splits this year were almost as bad as watching CNBC lately.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Well, I’d rather have Pettitte than Peavy, because I don’t have to give up any prospects or make any long term financial committment to Pettitte.

          That’s not very insane, I don’t think. Peavy is awesome, but I can get Andy Pettitte and still keep Phil Hughes and Robinson Cano.

          • Steve

            Bingo.

            Not what you said, I just happened to be playing Bingo right now.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              President Tug Benson: Cookie?
              Col. Denton Walters: No, thank you, sir.
              President Tug Benson: Young lady?
              Michelle Rodham Huddleston: No, thank you, sir.
              President Tug Benson: No, I was just offering him a young lady.

          • christopher

            if not giving prospects up is an issue than that os an argument, but from what i read earlier up in the thread it sounded as though people believe petitte is the better pitcher

  • Bryan

    I just read in the Peteabe article that Eric Milton and Zambrano are now free agents? What the hell was the point of signing them then?!

    • AndrewYF

      They’re free agents because the Yankees didn’t end up liking them well enough to offer them a minor league deal. Or maybe they did, and Milton/Zambrano rejected it, thinking they could get a major league deal somewhere else.

      They gave them minor league deals. That’s like giving quarters to the homeless.

    • Steve

      Are we really going to get our panties in a bunch over Eric Milton and Victor Zambrano?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        I DON’T KNOW WHY WE’RE YELLING!!!!!!!!
        LOUD NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!

  • cream

    Peavy would probably require giving up hughes, cano, ajax, but I would pull the trigger, then still push hard for sabathia.

    Sabathia
    Peavy
    Wang
    Pettitte
    Joba

    • christopher

      championship rotation and probably the best one in baseball barring injury – 3 legit 20 game winners – a good lefty and a kid with electric stuff

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        While I won’t disagree with you, I also don’t really care to watch us pay Orlando Hudson 10M a year to hit .265/.320/.415…

  • Bill

    i would rather sign Garland than Lowe

    • Alan

      Why isn’t anyone talking about Garland, anyway? Sure his stats aren’t the greatest, but he gives you innings and would be way better than having the likes of Ponson, Rasner, etc. as the #5. If he could be had for a modest amount, I wouldn’t oppose it.

      • Ivan

        Garland Sucks. He pitched behind a good defense and stilled sucked, imagine him pitching in a tougher division with a subpar defense. Talk about hide the women and children.

        • A.D.

          Exactly, give Aceves a full, numbers will probably be similar

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Garland: 4.90 ERA & 1.51 WHIP
        Ponson: 5.04 ERA & 1.61 WHIP

        The difference between the two last year was 1 ER every ~64 IP and 1 baserunner every 10 innings.

        • Steve H

          And that should end the Garland conversation.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      You can’t be serious. Garland sucks horribly.

  • http://pinstripealley22.blogspot.com/

    IPK to pitch in a Class A league! nice!

    Angel

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      You know that if you put your URL in the URL field, people can then click on your name to view your blog? No one’s really going to copy and paste your name to visit your site. Also, it’s annoying to have a URL there.

      • daneptizl

        Good game?

  • Ivan

    Hey if the Yanks can get Sabathia, do they really need to pay for another starter especially since it’s Burnett and Lowe? Guys like that can be bad investments and really if CC signs with the Yanks your starting staff is in good shape

    CC
    Wang
    Joba
    Pettitte
    Hughes/Aceves/IPK/

    Your 1’s and 2’s are good, Pettitte as your 4th starter is great and Joba can certainly pitch much better than a 3rd starter or has the ability to.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Lots of question marks there. How will Wang come back from the injury? Will Joba hold up in the rotation? Will Pettitte rebound after his terrible second half? Hughes/Aceves/IPK … ?

      • Ivan

        Yea but almost every starting rotation in baseball has question marks. I think Wang will comback well from the ankle injury considering it’s not an injury to it’s arm and just needs to knock the rust.

        Joba with the innings is a problem, but I do think Pettitte can be solid especially if you list him as a back-end starter.

        • Steve

          I agree, I’m hoping the #2 FA pitcher will be Andy. Proven Yankee, no lost draft picks, likely retires soon and one of the kids should be ready to assume his spot by them. I think it makes way more sense than a big year commitment to one of these injury prone or old guys.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Heh, doesn’t Pettitte quality as injury prone & old? Andy’s shoulder/back/elbow always seems to be barking.

            • Steve

              Yes, but he’s OUR injury prone old bastard you Scrooge you.

          • christopher

            who cares about draft picks when you can add sheets or burnett or even peavy to the team. you would rather get draft picks who may not even make the majors than get a top flight arm

  • Joe Kaplan

    the Yankees should really consider Junichi Tazawa and not let him go to some team like the Red Sox. He will only cost as much money as a first rounder and thats what the Yankees clearly have right now.

  • pat

    Sabathia- yes please, all day.

    Trading for Peavy would decimate the already pretty bleak upper levels of our farm system. Not to mention the transition from SD to Ny is pretty much as harsh as it gets considering, park dimensions, lineups, weather, media, expectations etc.

    No aj burnett too many injures and only pitches exceptionally well against 2 teams one of which is us. Will want a redic. contract. Pass.

    Sheets has the injury history but hopefully could be had for a short term high money deal. Maybe 2 guaranteed years 16 or 17 yrs with 2 team options in the same range.

    Lowe- no thanks, your success 5 years ago in the AL east bears nothing on how we view you now (unless your name is posada or rivera).

  • Ivan

    As for CF, I agree with Cash there. If guys on offense are producing, then you can live with the ok offense of CF especially if they can field the CF position well.

  • Larry

    Cash isn’t calling every reporter to play his hand out in the media. Hank, this where you can take a lesson. We know he wants to make a play for CC, but that’s all we know right now. Generally we know he wants to get younger and more athletic. To me this means 1st and 2nd no one out, we need to advance the runners and score a run. I’m tired of hearing that is not the Yankee way.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    Phil the Bust! Four no-hit innings, 6 strike outs, 0 walks.
    Bust!!!!!11!!!!!!!1

    • Ivan

      Sssssshhhhhhh, your fuckin it up.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        A no-hitter in the AzFL. Who cares, he ain’t going 9.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          He allowed a hit. I blame YOU.

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            Well, it is my fault.
            Let’s see if my curse works some more.
            Go John McCain!

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Obama just got my vote with his “college football needs an 8 team playoff” comment on MNF Halftime.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                Mike, you’re like fish in a barrel.

            • pat

              oh i see what you did there…very clever you

    • Accent Shallow

      But his GB/FB this game is 0-7!

      (No, I’m not concerned about that, it’s one game, and he’s apparently pitching well. Sure, some of this FB could be screaming line drives, but again: it’s one game.)

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        It’s winter ball. Who cares about the stats? All that matters is that he gets the innings in.

        • Ivan

          It’s good that his command has improve from the past couple starts. 41-18 K-BB ratio and no walks is very impressive and encouraging.

        • Steve

          Yeah, but that what we all say during Spring Training as well. We get all excited when someone does well, and if they don’t we say “Well, its freekin March for crying out loud, who cares about how he does”

          Were all a buncha frauds.

  • C.Panella

    Of course CC is the MUST sign if you ask me…But if peavy could be had for say IPK/AJAX/COKE is that way off?? If not i think you should pull the trigger and just bring back marte…I’d definatly say to sell high while coke has decent value wouldn’t you guys?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Would you take that package for Wang?

      • C.Panella

        I guess your right was just a thought maybe another type B prospect could get that done?

        • pat

          another b prospect and all the rest of our A prospects named joba chamberlain

          • C.Panella

            :-( Damn didn’t think they would be selling so high on him…maybe if no trade goes down they will panic ALA twins with johan :-)

            • pat

              Haha the yanks dont get lucky like that, but hes not that expensive for a few more years so theres no real need to trade him out the door like santana. I think they’re just dangling his name out there incase some Gm floors them with an offer.

              • C.Panella

                Haha good point that could very well be what the pads may be doing

              • christopher

                the fact that he comes cheap salary wise the next few years adds to his values and thus makes giving up more prospects for him acceptable. he is not a one year rental – he is a long term fit.

                Anyone here would have said hell yes to the santana deal thaat was floating aroung with hughes in it if santana was signed long term. Peavy is just as good as santana in my opinion with a slight edge going to santana because he is a lefty

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  And at the same time, the fact that he comes cheap salary wise the next few years adds to the teams who could potentially take on his contract, increasing the pool of suitors and thus, driving up the price and making the collection of prospects we’d have to give up for him bigger.

                  If you’re not artificially holding down demand, the price goes up. Expect to pay more for Peavy than what the Mets paid for Santana. The Twins were over a barrel. The Padres aren’t.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  The Twins, though, weren’t even over a barrel; they just thought they were. Imagine if the Twins had held on to Santana and traded him closer to the deadline a la Sabathia. They would have gotten a much better return.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  Excellent point. Allow me to amend my statement.

                  Expect to pay more for Peavy than what the Mets paid for Santana. The Twins were over a barrel incredibly stupid and overplayed their hand. The Padres probably won’t.

                • A.D.

                  Imagine if the Twins hadn’t traded Santana at all… they might have been in the WS

            • Steve H

              They don’t have to panic though, he’s not a free agent next year, and he’s relatively cheap. They can be patient if they want, wait until a big named starter goes down next year. Does look like Peavy won’t be going to the Sox which is good news.

      • Steve

        No, but were not rebuilding. The Pads are looking at 2010.

  • cream

    what could the yanks do to lure cc here other than handing him a blank check? Tour of the new stadium? recruiting calls from jeter, reggie, yogi etc? free RAB products?

    • pat

      free concessions for life, signed and sealed baby

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      We can’t get shirts that size. I guess we could split two and sew them together.

      • pat

        save the Big 3 big 3 big 3

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Nah, we shouldn’t make it that obvious. We could probably get away with Save The Big Threeeeeeeeeeeeee

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            River Avenue Hookers? WHY HAVEN’T WE MOVED ON THIS YET? I’m sure there’s some old Emperor’s Club girls still around looking for work…

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              We have moved on it, it’s just not ready to launch yet.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                Don’t make a man wait for his hooker.

  • Mikes

    I’m sorry but I don’t see anything in Derek Lowe, I would make a much stronger push for Sheets or Burnett over Lowe…Injury risk w/e…

    • C.Panella

      I can’t agree more Lowe older and coming back over to the AL especially the Yankees just doesn’t sit well with me

  • Steve

    Here’s something for somebody a WHOLE lot smarter than me, which is probably most of you. Here’s the MLBTR Top 50 projections for where the Yanks FAs land and who they sign.

    1. C.C. Sabathia – Yankees. The guess here is that the Yankees will make C.C. an offer he can’t refuse, and he’ll sign a seven-year deal. Sabathia is the key to the Yankees’ offseason.

    6. Derek Lowe – Yankees. This would set up a rotation of Sabathia/Wang/Lowe/Pettitte/Chamberlain. Very solid on paper.

    11. Mike Mussina – Retirement. I will go with the media sentiment that Moose is set to retire despite such a strong 2008.

    14. Bobby Abreu – Cubs. His defense isn’t a perfect fit at Wrigley, but they do crave a left-handed middle of the order bat. Fitting his salary in could be tricky.

    16. Andy Pettitte – Yankees. Once again, it’s Yankees or retirement for Pettitte.

    20. Jason Giambi – Athletics. The A’s are looking for a power hitter on a short-term deal, so a reunion makes sense.

    31. Ivan Rodriguez – Mets. Omar Minaya seems to be a fan, and Pudge may provide an upgrade behind the plate on a one-year deal.

    43. Damaso Marte – Cardinals. I thought the Yanks would exercise his $6MM option, but a recent report indicated otherwise. The Cardinals appear willing to spend some coin on a lefty reliever.

    Lets assume this is accurate for the hell of it. Where would the Yankee draft picks be? It just might help me (and somebody else) understand the draft system a little better.

    • pat

      we would get the cubs and cardinals first pick and supplementary picks for the losses of giambi and pudge. We would lose our “natural” first pick to the brew crew for signing cc

      • Steve

        Any idea what numbers those are?

        • pat

          If those following things happened the yankees actual picks would be- 18, 29, and 30 in the first round and 2 picks in the supplementary round (dont know the order on those).

        • A.D.

          St Louis is 19, cubs is going to be a late one

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        They’d lose their second rounder for Lowe, and they wouldn’t get anything for Giambi since he’s not ranked by Elias.

        Yanks get:
        Cubs 1st rounder (#29)
        Cards 1st rounder (#18)
        3 sandwich picks

        Yanks lose:
        1st rounder (CC)
        2nd rounder (Lowe)

        Here’s the thing though, Tim also has the Cards signing Renteria & Hudson, who are ranked higher than Marte according to Elias. So the Yanks would end up getting the Cards’ third rounder for Marte, not their first.

        • pat

          oops my bad on giambi i thought he was B

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          Then again, the Tigers might not risk offering arbitration to Edgar Renteria.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            That’s true.

            The pick they get from the Cubs (#29) would be directly after the Gerrit Cole comp pick, so the Yanks would have back-to-back first round picks.

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

              Holy shit, that trade turned out so horribly for Dave Dombrowski. I’m actually glad the Tigers suffered through their 2008 season, it’s like payback for taking Rick Porcello. God is a Yankees fan. ;)

              • Mike Pop

                Porcello is awesome tho

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  That’s why God is punishing the Tigers for taking him ahead of the Yankees. He was supposed to be awesome for us!!1!

                • Mike Pop

                  Will he be in the bigs end of next year ?

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  He’s on a ML contract, so they might as well bring him up.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  I’d say that’s a distinct possibility (barring any health issues). He will be starting the year in Double-A, and that Tigers’ rotation at the Major League level is pathetic. Perfect storm for an early call-up for Porcello.

                • A.D.

                  That and their rotation isn’t/won’t stay healthy

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                Wait, you mean that a non-Cashman named GM made a bad trade?

                BLASPHEMY!!!!

                • Mike Pop

                  We all know Theo “the Einstein” Epstein is the god of GMs with his drafting knowledge and his combining of young and veteran gritty talent… But yaa Dombrowski screwd up and he dealt us Pudge for Farns haha dumby

                • A.D.

                  Thats cause Dombrowski doesn’t sign enough grit

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I think Abreu’s defense isn’t a perfect fit anywhere that really cares about defense.

  • cream

    pat he’s close to 3 bills -let’s not get carried away

    • pat

      any way u split it 6’7 290 is a big mutherfu*kin t-shirt

  • nick blasioli

    it makes me laugh how some fans are so worried about how much the yankees are paying the players…they wouldnt do it if they couldnt afford it…and all this talk about peavy….it looks like he is swaying to the yanks….i didnt read anything about tex…boy do we need him…..

  • A.D.

    Why MLBTR projected Marte to the Cards…he would be a nice pick-up to close for the Rays

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      The Rays’ budget would never permit them to spend upwards of $5M per year for a relief pitcher. Also, you have to take into account that they are on the hook for more than $10M in 2009 salaries for three veteran relievers: Troy Percival, Dan Wheeler and Chad Bradford

      • A.D.

        Well if Percival goes back into retirement, and you couple that with Floyd & Miller gone, then they’re around there. Percivals retirement, of course, would be a big if

    • Steve

      There’s already a big controversy down there about having Price close next year. Its all the rage at baci ball meetings and shuffleboard games all up and down Fla’s west coast.

      • Steve H

        Why not the 8th inning? Isn’t that much more important than 1-7 and 9?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          It is. The Rays won the WS because Price pitched just the 8th inning in Game 5 and extended the series.

        • christopher

          have you been drinking the goose juice again?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        God, I literally can’t WAIT for the Rays to make Price the closer. That would make my fucking 2009. I will give thanks to Jesus, Jehovah, Allah, Moses, Buddha, Confucius, Muhammad, Abraham, Zoroaster, Yaweh, Shiva, Ganesha, Zeus, Jobu, the Wood Nymph, Beezelbub, He Who Shall Not Be Named, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and John Wayne every night for the rest of my life if the Rays became dumb enough to make Price the closer.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          You forgot to thank Mo. Idiot.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Yes, that was foolish. I kneel before Mo and beg for forgiveness.

            Mo it is written, Mo it shall be done. Moly, Moly, Moly, Mosanna in the highest.

        • harry potter

          u mean voldemort, bitch

  • Mike Pop

    If we sign CC it would increase the chance of Peavy coming here plus his desire to come here… He would be looking at CC Wang Joba and possibly Burnett or PEttite.. Hed say if Im in there we have the best staff in baseball.. Maybe he would request a deal to the Yanks who knowss.. I know he wants to win who doesnt.. I would love to see CC Peavy Wang Joba PEttite.. Not Burnett if we have Peav… Thats a filthy rotation with Joba aas yoour 4,.. The peoblem is Peavy doesnt go so deep into games which is what sucks

  • Mike Pop

    Why not pick up Marte’s option and trade him for an immediate need.. Like Ankiel.. Wouldnt that work

    • Steve H

      For the Yankees it would, why would the Cards do that?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Cashman: Hey John, I’m interested in Ankiel. You looking to move him?
        John Mozeliak, St. Louis GM: Not really, why? You moving Hughes? Cano?
        Cashman: I was more thinking of Damaso Marte. He’s–
        Mozeliak: Fuck you, Brian, don’t talk to me for a month. Jerkoff.

        • Chip

          Cashman: Actually, I was thinking about taking Adam Kennedy for you guys and giving you IPK plus another young starter
          Mozeliak: So I give you an outfielder which I have too many of and get back three pitchers that I desperately need? Hmmm…

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Ah, yes, that’s right, I forgot, you still think that the Cardinals, who are not a small market team but actually sport a $100M payroll with regularity, are going to take three mid-level pitchers not named Joba, Hughes, Brackman, or any of the rest of our highly thought of starters in exchange for young, cost-controlled, fan favorite 120 OPS+’ing centerfielder just so they can get out of the onerous, horrible, payroll-crippling 1 year and 4M left on Adam Kennedy’s contract.

            THAT’S the clincher in your argument.

            You: We can get the Cardinals to give us a good-to-great centerfielder in exchange for two non-essential pitching prospects and a 34-year old setup man making 6M for 2009!

            Me: They’d never do that.

            You: They would if we took back Adam Kennedy’s horrible deal!!!

            Me: Adam Kennedy makes chicken feed. And the Cardinals have money. They don’t give a crap about whether or not they pay Kennedy. In fact, your proposed deal doesn’t give them any salary relief, it raises their salary. Marte makes more himself than Kennedy and Ankiel do. You make no sense.

            You: … Joe Sixpack Maverick? (wink)

    • Steve

      6 million reasons?

      Thats pretty steep for a lefty specialist.

      • Mike Pop

        What about if we ate part of the deal.. Chances are Marte can close than he is better shot to get type A and they get picks.. Ankiel will he be an A free agent.. Both are FA’s after 09 and they both ill a need.. Theyd rather have Marte than Fuentes.. If Marte succeeds and likes it there they ink him to extension

        • Steve

          The Yanks (as a long standing policy) NEVER NEVER NEVER eat any salary when they make deals. They didn’t when they traded Sheff, Unit, or anyone else I can think of.

          You know why? Because everyone knows they have the deepest pockets in Baseball and if they open that door just a crack, it will never end. Also, its bad enough the Yanks are paying some of these teams bills as it is through revenue sharing and the luxury tax.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            They ate like, $2M of RJ’s salary, and a healthy chunk of Wright’s (like $4M or so).

            • Steve

              Not sure if the RJ one counts, he had a bunch of deferred money owed to him by the D-Backs when he was sent here in the first place. That could have just been them figuring out who owes what to who.

              • steve (different one)

                actually, it counts twice.

                they picked up part of Javy’s salary (about $9M) in the original Unit trade and then picked up $2M when they traded him back.

                they picked up money for Jaret Wright.

                i think they sent some cash to get rid of Womack.

                not sure where you are getting this from. they do it all the time.

  • Steve

    1-CC Sabathia
    2-Jake Peavey
    3-Wang
    4-Pettitte
    5-Joba Chamberlain

    I mean come on. That’s almost unfair its so good. Plan the parade.

    • Steve

      . . and I will assume we finagle a way to keep Hughes out of the Peavey deal by giving up another top prospect like A-Jax or someone else.

      • Mike Pop

        No it would take both of them and probly IPK

        • Steve

          FINAGLE!!!!

          I THREW D-ROB IN AT THE LAST MINUTE!!!

      • christopher

        if you had that staff would you still want hughes over jackson? love hughes but dont know i would want that especially if AJAx is our future in CF. Besides, i think it takes Hughes, JAckson, another quality arm, and maybe even 1 or 2 low level minore leaguers (A ballers) to get it done.

        i would still do it thogh simply because it sures up the staff for a long time to come. with the big 4 the yanks can over the next 4 or 5 seasons look to fill the 5th slot with either a kid not included in the trade (brackman in 2010) or ppick up a journeyman bargain bin pitcher.

        gives up a ton of prospects but also takes a hell of a lot of pressure off the minor league system to produce pitchers and ruch them up here alla hughes and IPK circa 2008

    • mustang

      And you have Hughes in AAA for back up when someone goes down.
      I’m about to cry.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        No way in hell does Phil Hughes not make a trip to Petco if we acquire Jake Peavy.

        • Steve

          Didn’t you say last year there was “No way in Hell the Mets will ever get Johan Santana”? along with just about everyone else in Baseball?

          Miracles do happen, my friend.

        • mustang

          I find it hard to believe that the Yanks can’t come up with package for SD without Hughes.
          I mean you think SD wouldn’t do Cano, IPK and Jackson for an example. That’s a good package for a guy who has never pitched in the AL and who will probably cost an extension.

  • christopher

    The beauty of getting peavy is that he is dirt cheap for the next couple of years meaning that they can have their cake and eat it oo.

    yes they would need to give a king’s ransom and yes the top level of the minors would be depreciated, but there is talent coming up.

    because he is cost effective if the yanks can aquire him, they can still have the money to get Tex and Manny.

    Tex 19 million
    Manny 25 million
    Peavy around 6 million )dont know the exact figures
    Sabathia 20 million

    that adds 75 million to the roster and with the money they are losing leaves them at where cash wants to be. by the time peavy gets the big jump damon, matsui, maybe Nady, and maybe even Mo are gone.

    I am sure I am off on some of the figures ad the players gone after 09 and 10, plus mannny will be a short term contract -3 maybe 4 years. of course they will need to fill other needs, so i apologoze for that, but the bottom line is that they can have a pitching staff that they dont need to worry about for a while. If they can hold on to melacon, sanchez brackman, coke etc. (dont know why everyone is so in love Coke as noone batted an eye when he was almost traded to the pirates). the top levels of our farm will suffer, but there are more on the way as cash has done a good job of stocking the farm

    bring back the evil empire

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Peavy around 6 million (dont know the exact figures)

      Jake Peavy is making 8M in 2009, 15M in 2010, 16M in 2011, 17M in 2012, and has a 22M team option for 2013, which he’d likely want guaranteed to approve a trade, minimum (if not a wholesale renegotiation upward).

      He’s below market, yes, but don’t get the impression that he’s a 6M AAV superbargain.

      Would you rather give up a boatload of really good prospects for Jake Peavy’s 15.6M AAV for the next 5 years, or give up no prospects for CC Sabathia’s 23M AAV the next 6/7 years? Is saving 8M a year really worth giving up Hughes, Cano, Jackson, and who knows what else?

      Keep in mind that while they have identical ERA+’s of 121, Peavy’s career 3.25 ERA is in the NL West while Sabathia’s career 3.66 ERA is in the AL Central. And that Sabathia costs nothing but money, which we have in abundance.

      • christopher

        sorry, it was 6 this year – 8 next year

        this wasnt a get peavy and not get sabathia – it was a get them both idea. of course i would prefer sabathia.

        one of my points is peple didnt want to give away the farm for johan for 1 year – this is 5 years at a pretty affordable price. with the contract ssantana got and CC will get – what do you think the next big time FA pitcher will cost?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          with the contract ssantana got and CC will get – what do you think the next big time FA pitcher will cost?

          Don’t know and don’t care. I’ll lock up CC, Wang, and Joba and wait to fill the back of my rotation with a short-term Pettitte/Aceves/Coke plan and a long-term Hughes/IPK/Hummer/McAllister/Betances/Brackman/Bleich/Heredia/Greinke plan.

      • christopher

        and i wasnt comparing sabathia and peavy – please get my post ritght if you are going to critisize it.

        and what has peavy’s ERA been the last 3 years?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          I know you weren’t comparing or contrasting the two. I was. I was saying, why get Peavy when Sabathia is available. You want both, I feel only one is needed. We have pitching depth. Peavy would be excellent, but a luxury, and acquiring him creates more holes than it fills.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          You ask, I answer:

          Peavy 2008: 2.85 (134 ERA+) – nice
          Peavy 2007: 2.54 (159 ERA+) – awesome
          Peavy 2006: 4.09 (99 ERA+) – ruh roh, Raggy! Rooby-dooby-doo!!!

          • christopher

            and 2.27 and 2.48 the 2 years before that —gee, think that 4.09 was a bit of anomoly?

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              Dude, YOU ASKED. You brought it up, not me. What was the point you were trying to make there? Peavy’s good? Nobody is debating that.

    • harry potter

      Dude when you rip apart your farm to trade for a guy that is still a big cost.

      • Steve H

        A cost that we can’t afford they way we can afford a strictly financial cost.

  • Steve S

    Mike A- as much as you keep ducking the Peavy rumors by giving other teams (the Dodgers are the fit for everyone except McCourt doesnt spend money and Towers clearly doesnt want to trade in the division let alone the National League) I want to know three things:

    1) Give me the package the Yankees could build around Cano- hypothetically

    2) Give me the premium prospects/players that would be need to beinvolved amongst

    – Hughes
    – Kennedy
    – Jackson
    – Montero
    – Romine

    3) Give me the Daren Oakland A/ Arizona DBack package (if possible). I realize it may cross over with number two but I would like to see if its possible to get Peavy without Hughes.

    Peavy is the premium guy and if the Yankees want to overkill it this offseason- CC and Peavy are the ultimate statement.

    • Steve H

      Peavy is a 6 inning pitcher in the NL West in the best pitching park in baseball. Let’s not overdo it. And oh he’s sucked in the playoffs. I know, small sample size but he’s supposed to be an ace and has a 12.10 era.

      • Mike Pop

        Your the same guy advocating for CC to be on our team but now playoff stats matter

        • Steve H

          CC is much better than Peavy, and only costs money not a boatload of prospects. Sabathia threw 10 cg’s this season, Peavy has 6 in his career. Peavy recorded 1 one past the 7th inning in 2007 and less than 10 this year. In the NL west. In Petco. CC has won a CY in the AL. These 2 aren’t even close.

          • Mike Pop

            Ok but dont bring playoff stats in to it because then we shoulda never signed A-rod

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

              It’s often a good idea to back up wild claims with numbers. Here’s what A-Rod did in the playoffs prior to joining the Yanks:

              57 plate appearances, .340/.375/.566.

              Yeah, he sucked in the playoffs. We never should have signed him, traded for him. Anything.

              • Mike Pop

                I dont like when people bring playoff numbers up.. Especially when its such a small sample

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  Great. But you can’t say “don’t bring playoff stats in to it because then we shoulda never signed A-rod” when the stats say the exact opposite. It’s true that playoff stats suffer from a small sample size bias and that A-Rod has struggled since joining the Yanks, but prior to joining the Yanks, he was a beast in the playoffs.

                • Mike Pop

                  Becuz he brought Peavy’s numbers up as his 12.10 era but hes had what like 3 or 4 playoff games including that game las year vs colorado ? A-rod wasnt a beast in the playoffs with us but when he opted out we gave him a record breaking deal.. What you think Im an A-rod hater cuz im the exact opposite

            • Steve H

              A-Rod’s playoff #’s are much closer to his regular season #’s than Peavy’s.

      • Steve S

        Im not going to argue that his numbers will take a hit when he comes over. But come on the guy had 223 innings in 2007 and led the National League. He has consistently averaged over 6 innings and unless your name s Roy Halladay that is how long most pitchers go. And after CC is there a better pitcher “available”.

        • Steve H

          There may not be a better pitcher “available” but if the Yankees let it be known that a team could get a package of Hughes/Cano/A-Jax/and more, more top pitchers might become “available”

          • Steve S

            I never heard about a Webb rumor but tell me how many 27 year olds are available signed to affordable contracts whose peripheral numbers only demonstrate dominance. You give me the better pitcher. The only guy who fits your description and needs are Roy Halladay, Johan Santana (and he finishes nothing), Timmy Lincecum. Im sure all of those teams will jump to deal him.

            And while I still know they need to sign CC, lets be honest its a lot of money for a 300lb guy who has been pitching since he was 19 years old and has logged a lot of innings. Im not saying dont sign him but it would be a nice to have Jake Peavy as the insurance.

            You can find warts with every pitcher, every one of them, including Johan Santana last year when it came up. When you keep waiting for next big thing, it never comes.

        • Reggie C.

          Was the Brandon Webb availability rumor debunked? B/c if its real , then Webb is the best pitcher in baseball available via the trade vehicle.

          Peavy is a fine pitcher and a big-time upgrade to any rotation. I still think he’s elite and Cash holds an obligation to the fans to kick the tires on this one. I dont think its much of a reality but you never know.

          OFFER Cano, Kennedy, McAllister, and A-jax
          — i agree that a-jax is going to be in the package no matter what. SD wants an OF. I think adding McAllister (a AA pitcher) could do it.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      1) Cano, Hughes, Jackson would get it done I believe. You’d have to try to talk them down to Kennedy instead of Hughes though. Gardner/Melky instead of Jackson won’t work.

      2) The Pads want up-the-middle position players, and rightly so. Jackson would be a must. The two catchers are too far away, and one of the pitchers would have to be included. What the Yanks really need is a Jed Lowrie type to get another young position player in the deal.

      3) The A’s got two studs for Haren (Carlos Gonzalez & Brett Anderson) and a ton of depth. A comparable package from the Yanks would be Jackson (~Gonzalez), Hughes (~Anderson), Rasner (~Eveland), Kevin Russo (~Cunningham), Brandon Laird (~Chris Carter), and Aceves (~Greg Smith).

      I’d take Gonzalez + Anderson over Jackson + Hughes.

      • Mike Pop

        Moving Cano just doesnt seem wise.. We would have to sign Furcal to play 2b that would be the only logical move.. Cuz Hudson can pick it but cant hit

        • mustang

          You can address the hitting with free agency get Hudson glove.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Hudson is old, injury prone, and not that good.

            That’s a big step back.

            • mustang

              For me to see this:
              1-CC Sabathia
              2-Jake Peavey
              3-Wang
              4-Pettitte
              5-Joba

              I would take the hit.

              • christopher

                its worth it…yes we lose our top prospect and a 2Bwith a ton of talent, but if you can pencil in CC, Wang, Peavy, and Joba for the next 5 years eith either petitte or a low cost FA or remaining prospect in at the 5th slot this year you have an unbelievable staff.

                the sox are killing us with pitching – they have that good a staff without bucholz in it and with beckett being relatively young they will only get better. they beat us in producing pitchers and signing/trading for them.

                dont know why their is a debate about peavy over sabathia. In my opinion the only they go after peavy is if they sign CC

            • Reggie C.

              Remember that Cash was talking with Jockety earlier. Maybe its a deal for both Votto and Adam Kennedy for IPK, Miranda, Melky, and Shelley !!

              Yay!

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                A.) Walt Jocketty is NOT the GM of the Cardinals anymore. He’s the GM of the Reds.

                B.) Joey Votto and Adam Kennedy are NOT on the same team. Votto plays for the Reds. Kennedy plays for the Cardinals. This “deal” is unworkable.

                C.) I grant that this is probably in jest. I don’t care. It’s chowderheaded. If it’s in jest, it’s not funny. If it’s not, is dumb. Don’t confuse the truly stupid with this if you’re just trying to be funny, because you’ll do it.

        • Steve H

          Furcal played 36 games this year due to a back injury, never a good sign. And he’s played 36 games at 2nd in his career, it’s not an easy transition to be turning 2 on the other side of the bag. And why would he want to give up playing SS?

          • Mike Pop

            Thats why I said moving Cano doesnt seem wise

      • Mike Pop

        Towers has also stated quality over quantity.. SO its not like we could just give them 6 or 7 b prospects to get it done

        • Kay Sturns

          well we don’t have any true A prospects, because joba and phil graduated and their arby clocks are ticking, and i don’t think Jackson will get that ranking this yr, will be close, though.

          • steve (different one)

            yes, he will.

      • Steve S

        So Cano wouldnt save you on paying with Hughes or Jackson?

        At this stage what value do guys like Melancon, Betances, Sanchez and Brackman have? I know you cant build a package around them but can any of the save you from giving up Hughes or Jackson.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          So Cano wouldnt save you on paying with Hughes or Jackson?

          I don’t believe so, the contract is a drawback for them.

          • mustang

            “the contract is a drawback for them”

            Are you kidding me then why is SD in the league ?

            i thought the contract was a plus

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Cano’s set to make $6M in ’09, $9M in 2010, $10M in 2011 before you get into expensive options with $2M buyouts. He’s not THAT much cheaper than Peavy, especially when you consider Cano’s crappy year.

              • mustang

                Yes, but that’s one year he is probably going to hit again. With Peavy your taking a NL pitcher to the AL so the yanks would be taken a chance there. I call that part of the deal a wash.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Towers has also stated that he wants two good pitchers back, minimum. So, Cano-Hughes-Jackson may not cut it, Towers may insist on a Cano-Hughes-McAllister or Cano-Hughes-Betances or something, for whatever that’s worth.

        I can’t see us possibly talking him out of Hughes for IPK. Any deal without Hughes and Cano is probably a nonstarter.

        • Mike Pop

          Cano doesnt fit them tho… He would be like 15 % of their payroll right ? But Cano A-Gonz back to back would look good

          • Steve H

            Cano-A-Gonz back to back would look so much better in pinstripes……

            • Mike Pop

              Agreed

        • mustang

          I don’t put Hughes in any package unless it’s him alone with junk.
          Yes it’s me saying this.

      • mustang

        “Cano, Hughes, Jackson ”
        I can’t do that if I’m the Yanks exchange Hughes for IPK and it’s done.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          And Towers doesn’t move Peavy without getting a legit starter back in return, which is why this deal still remains a pipe dream.

          He’s not going to move Peavy to us unless it’s a clear win for him, which would obviously be bad for us. And other teams can (and will) outbid us.

        • christopher

          would you move IPK instead of Jackson? hate to give up a CF because its a true need of this team.

          too bad they traded away an outfielder who was one of the yankees top prospects last year for Nady

    • mustang

      Can I give this a shot?
      If I’m SD I want Cano, Hughes and Kennedy.
      If I’m the Yanks I go Cano, Kennedy and B prospect.
      As hard as I am on Hughes it’s difficult to trade that arm.

    • Reggie C.

      IF the Yanks traded for Peavy and signed CC , it would practically force the RS to answer by offering Teixeira the most money. No way do the RS stand pat and watch us accrue that kind of rotation without them adding serious pop to their lineup.

      • Steve

        Why? They came within a few outs of the WS last year just the way they are.

  • Manimal

    turns out Hughes had a torn fingernail this whole time. Crisis averted. Anti-busted.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      No no no, he’s still a bust because he only threw the 5 IP AzFL maximum tonight.

      • Steve H

        Let’s hope no one ever says again that Hughes isn’t a bust. He clearly is. If he hasn’t won multiple Cy’s by now at age 22, he never will. Like Pamela Anderson, Hughes is a huge bust.

      • mustang

        AzFl account for something again or only for tonight.

        LOL

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Doesn’t count for anything, just the innings on his arm.

    • Mike Pop

      Lester and Buchholz throw no hitters with torn fingernails

      • Steve H

        They just switch hands to pitch with and throw no-no’s, Vendette style.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    BTW, anyone watching MNF? Totally off topic:

    the Heidi Klum Guitar Hero commercial >>>>>>>>>> the ARod/Kobe/Hawk/Phelps Guitar Hero commercial

    AND

    Washington Redskins Cheerleaders >>>>>>>>>>> Anyone else’s cheerleaders

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I’ve seen two versions of the Klum commercial. One were she leaves the shirt on, another were she rips it off and dances around in a bra.

      Excellent ad campaign by the GH guys.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        The latter (shirtless) is what I saw.

        Sick. It’s unfair that a woman who just gave birth recently can look like that.

    • Steve S

      Go to Miami when you have one of those random 10 minute rainstorms in Florida- totally cant be on TV.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        While I admit that seeing the Dolphins cheerleaders in the rain would be impressive, I’d rather see the Redskins cheerleaders in the rain.

        The Redskins cheerbabes are the greatest assemblage of talent since the 1996-2000 Yankees.

    • pat

      someone needs to tell mwelde moore that hes not actually a good football player and should not be playing so well

  • Steve

    Here’s a question. Lets say we don’t land Tex, the Angels are said to be very aggressive in courting him. Then what?

    There’s some Casey Blake rumors out there, but I dunno. Doesn’t excite me, even with the grit beard.

    Trade for A-Gon? Derrick Lee? That’ll cost ya.

    How about bringing the Giambino back for 10-12 mil for 1-2 years? Leave 1B open in 2011 for Posada/Jeter/Montero?

    • Reggie C.

      Towers has already killed all trade attempts for A-Gonz. He’s publicly stated that A-gonz is off-limits. Derek Lee was awesome a couple years ago , but his bat slowed. He’s an above avg. ML , but I don’t think he’s got more than 3/4 seasons left in him.

    • Steve H

      Casey Blake? Gammons’ head would explode having to credit a Yankee for having grit. Of course the beard, and therefore the magic grit, would be gone due to Yankee policy. That’s why we’re in a WS drought, the no facial hair ban is keeping the grit away.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Blake would immediately lose all grititude if he signed with the Yanks because he’s be a sellout.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          We’d make him shave the gritbeard, just like Monty Burns and Don Mattingly.

      • Mike Pop

        Ha no facial hair is killing us thats good… I would look at D Lee I think hes owed 26 million for 2 years left.. I remember Dierkes saying he wouldnt cost top prospects so if we could do some kind of swap.. Damon ? They get an expiring contract i dont know who would play first for them tho.. Look to the Royals ? Adam Laroche… D LEe would be cool to see

      • Steve

        I honestly think Tex is ours to be had if we want him, despite the reports to the contrary. He’s very business minded and always has been back to when he was drafted. He has also been described as “The Ultimate Boras Client”, meaning he will gladly go to whoever writes the biggest check. He even stayed in Boras guest house after being traded, he had no intention of planting any roots in Anaheim, or anywhere else before his next contract.

        • Mike Pop

          He also said it was a nice vacation for him and his family.. He said his 3 fav stadiums are Seattle, Anaheim and New York.. We gotta keep him away from the Sox tho

          • Steve

            That Sox-Tex stuff is utter BS. They have Lowell and Youkilis with Anderson on the way. Makes zero sense for them, and trading Lowell coming off hip surgery is so stupid only a sportswriter could believe it.

            • Mike Pop

              Cant count Theo out… Hes had interest in Tex in the past

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                Agreed. The Sox are likely treating the Lowell deal as a sunk cost. They’d eat some of it and flip him for something and bite the bullet on Tex if necessary.

                • Steve

                  The 2007 WS MVP is a sunk cost? Not buying it, and Lars Anderson is a stud prospect. Makes no sense.

                  Theo is big on having flexible parts, he hated the Manny contract since the minute he took the job. I don’t think he will go for 7-8 years for a 1B he doesn’t need in thew first place.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  Any awards that Mike Lowell won in October 2007 bear no relevance on how best to construct the 2009-2019 Red Sox team. Theo’s smarter than that, as are we (and as you should be.)

                  David Eckstien was a WS MVP as well. Great shakes.

                  Lowell OPS’ed .576 and .584 in July and August. He only played 115 games, and he’ll be 35 by Opening Day. I’m not saying that they’re ready to line him up to a firing squad, but I don’t think he’d stand in the way of them adding Tex if they feel they must.

                  I’m with you, with Youkilis able to move to 3rd and Anderson in the pipeline, I probably wouldn’t go in heavy for Tex if I’m Theo. But I don’t dismiss it out of hand. They can be serious about Tex if they want to, and then deal either Youk or Anderson in the future if Lars continues his ascent.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  The 2007 WS MVP is a sunk cost?

                  Lowell signed his big contract AFTER that happened. It’s only been one year, but right now that contract looks like a total stinker.

    • harry potter

      Can the big donkey play first? His d cant be worse than giambi

  • Matt

    If the Yankees didn’t trade for Santana last year (econ. issues aside), why would they trade for the lesser, more oft-injured Peavy? I don’t want Peavy all that much, if at all.

    • Steve H

      Who also hasn’t had the success in the AL. Santana a year ago was the best pitcher in baseball. Peavy is not.

      • christopher

        he has had a sub-3 ERA 4 of the past 5 years. granted it was in the NL West, but he is clearly on the same elite level as santana

        the reasons for not trading for santana last season are the same reasons they should go for peavy this season. he is not a rental, he is affordable, and in his last 6 years has put up 200 plus innings on average

    • Steve S

      Age and contract

  • NYFan50

    The last 4 years Sheets has thrown an average of 150 innings. I like him a ton when he’s healthy, but two of the last 3 years he couldn’t even crack 150 innings. If you sign a guy like Sheets you better have a capable 6th starter who can pitch a third of the season.

  • Old Ranger

    CC is one and Andy is the other pitcher the Yanks will sign; CC, CMW, Joba, Andy and Phil…looks good to me.
    This year was an aberration for Andy, he will bounce back and go (something like) 16-8 or better. Phil will win some good time games for the team this year. If we have a good defence it will help the pitchers and the good pitching (with the BP) will help the offence. Brett in CF and X-man in RF will help the defence (less room in RF), the bad thing is Johnny in LF…oh well, can’t have everything can we?
    What is all this talk of trading Phil and A-Jax? It doesn’t make much since, we have pitchers coming up but only one/two that have the up-side of Phil. Some people get tunnel vision going after a player, they will trade anyone thinking they are a fix all. Other then CC and Tex, I don’t see justification or need for anyone else…conversely, a very good athletic, young OF would be welcome (if we could land one). We don’t need Manny, next year or the next, he will be a liability and what do we do with Matsui (for 2009)…only room for one DH. 27/09.

  • Steve

    OK, another question for all you wanna be GMs. Heyman (ugh) said the Yanks will be looking to deal either Damon or Matsui this off season.

    Who would be a match and what would they offer?

    You’d have to think Damon would fetch more, but that would also mean Matsui plays LF next year. I think his knees will be fine, its just that he sucked in LF even before his knees went.

    • Mike Pop

      Damon could fit well for the Braves and the Cubs imo just off quick thinking.. Depending on what they give up it could be a match.. Matsui god knows we heard bout SF and Seattle.. We shoulda dealt him last year but I love how he plays.. When he gets hot he can mash but his time might be over

      • Steve

        We’ve heard Matsui to the Giants for the past few years, but I think thats just the writers being cutesy since he played for the Yomiyuri Giants in Japan. I think he would notice its not the same team, and I dont see what they would realistically send back.

  • doty

    why haven”t I heard or seen anything about ryan dempster?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Maybe because before this one, crazily fluky 2008 season, he sucked balls for the rest of his 1,400 inning career and he’s due to come crashing down to earth any second now? And whomever signs him is probably going to regret the deal literally seconds after it’s finalized?

      That’s my guess.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Don’t look now, but someone’s over .500 in fantasy.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Joe? NAW, THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Dude, in Mike Ashmore’s league, Thunder Thoughts, I came into tonight with a five-point lead; my opponent had Jason Campbell starting; I had Steve Swisham starting, and I still pulled out the victory.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Freaking Pittman’s on the IR. I’m screwed.

  • Steve

    Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think Cash and Towers have had the framework of a Peavey deal in place for a while. Now Towers is just shopping around to see if he can do better. They’re known to be close, they done biz a bunch of times in the past. Towers knew what teams were on his list (and his NL preference) so he did the dance to see what teams would offer, went back to Peavey and got him to include the Yanks/Angels.

    Would also surprise me if Hughes included. Cash didn’t want to offer him for Santana, I don’t think he’ll offer him for Peavey. Peavey’s good, but he’s not Johan. Turned out that Cash was right NOT to include Hughes, given how little the Twins would up getting. He read the market well.

    If you remember when Cash signed his extension, he said “We’ll be going after players, and NOT all of them are the names you’ve heard” which at the time was CC/Burnett/Sheets. I think he’s been working on this for a long time.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Okay, I’ll call you a conspiracy theorist.

      Can I call you a crazy conspiracy theorist whose conspiracy theories are fantastically unreal? Is that cool?

      • Steve

        Tsk tsk. Wordy wordy wordy.

        “Horsefeathers” would have been plenty.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    Emmitt Smith interviewing Willie Parker on the MNF postgame: The most countrified conversation to happen on national TV ever not involving Jeff Foxworthy or Larry the Cable Guy. I felt like eating some cornpone and listening to some Deliverance banjo music.

  • greg

    Why is Jake Peavy consistently referred to as Jake Peavey, if you are suggesting trading for him I assumed you have looked at his stat sheet and seen that his name is Peavy, don’t understand why so many of you can’t spell it right.