Comments on: PA: Yanks, Mets may compete… http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/ A New York Yankees Blog Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:28:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Honorable Congressman Mondesi http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198390 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:10:24 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198390 Hug it out. Hug it out.

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198376 steve (different one) Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:53:39 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198376 agree to disagree. you're a smart guy, i understand your side of it. i don't think you are being unreasonable. i am just saying that the offensive environment in 2004 was very high. the league ERA was 4.63. it was 4.36 in 2008. a 4.47 ERA in 2004 was "pretty good", but i guess i could also see how you could call it "uninspiring". agree to disagree. you’re a smart guy, i understand your side of it. i don’t think you are being unreasonable.

i am just saying that the offensive environment in 2004 was very high. the league ERA was 4.63. it was 4.36 in 2008.

a 4.47 ERA in 2004 was “pretty good”, but i guess i could also see how you could call it “uninspiring”.

]]> By: The Honorable Congressman Mondesi http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198369 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:46:12 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198369 Yeah, you really can ignore his BP work to a certain extent. I'm not saying you have to act like his time in the BP never happened, but there's CLEARLY a pretty big difference between working out of the BP and starting. I think the most relevant numbers from Lowe's time in the AL East are his numbers as a starter. Look at his BP numbers if you want, I just think his numbers as a starter are much more relevant to this discussion. Yeah, you really can ignore his BP work to a certain extent. I’m not saying you have to act like his time in the BP never happened, but there’s CLEARLY a pretty big difference between working out of the BP and starting. I think the most relevant numbers from Lowe’s time in the AL East are his numbers as a starter. Look at his BP numbers if you want, I just think his numbers as a starter are much more relevant to this discussion.

]]> By: The Honorable Congressman Mondesi http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198362 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:40:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198362 Ugh. Dude, it's all subjective. You call it "pretty good," I call it uninspiring and average. You call his 2004 "below average," I call it shitty. I don't think my opinions of his work in the AL East are unreasonable, nor do I think yours are. If you disagree and think I'm being unreasonable, so be it. We're arguing over whether a 4.47 ERA, 1.4 WHIP, and 110 Ks against 72 BBs in 203.3 IP is "pretty good" or "average?" Really? Ugh. Dude, it’s all subjective. You call it “pretty good,” I call it uninspiring and average. You call his 2004 “below average,” I call it shitty. I don’t think my opinions of his work in the AL East are unreasonable, nor do I think yours are. If you disagree and think I’m being unreasonable, so be it. We’re arguing over whether a 4.47 ERA, 1.4 WHIP, and 110 Ks against 72 BBs in 203.3 IP is “pretty good” or “average?” Really?

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198361 steve (different one) Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:39:07 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198361 <b>I don’t think his time spent in the bullpen in the AL East is persuasive (or even very relevant)</b> i do. the claim was that he "sucked" in the AL East. whether he was starting or relieving, he was still pitching in the AL East. again, that doesn't mean it would translate to starting for the Yankees in 2009. but i can't ignore 300+ innings in the AL East just because they were bullpen innings. I don’t think his time spent in the bullpen in the AL East is persuasive (or even very relevant)

i do.

the claim was that he “sucked” in the AL East.

whether he was starting or relieving, he was still pitching in the AL East.

again, that doesn’t mean it would translate to starting for the Yankees in 2009.

but i can’t ignore 300+ innings in the AL East just because they were bullpen innings.

]]> By: The Honorable Congressman Mondesi http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198354 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:32:20 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198354 Don't you think "dominant" is a bit strong of a term to use to describe AJ Burnett's 2008 season? Dude had a 105 ERA+. He was good, but "dominant?" No. Don’t you think “dominant” is a bit strong of a term to use to describe AJ Burnett’s 2008 season? Dude had a 105 ERA+. He was good, but “dominant?” No.

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198347 steve (different one) Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:28:49 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198347 <b>A 104 ERA+ is pretty much the definition of a league-average season. </b> no, it isn't. league average for STARTING pitchers is not 100 ERA+. it's more like an ERA+ of around 96. so, a 104 ERA+ is about 8% better than league average for a starter. also, you really have to remember the offensive environment of 2003. a 4.47 ERA in the AL East in 2003 pitching half your games in Fenway was really quite good. i'll stick with "pretty good". also, 2002 wasn't just "good", it was great. so, now you have 1 great season, 1 good season, and 1 below average season. A 104 ERA+ is pretty much the definition of a league-average season.

no, it isn’t.

league average for STARTING pitchers is not 100 ERA+. it’s more like an ERA+ of around 96.

so, a 104 ERA+ is about 8% better than league average for a starter.

also, you really have to remember the offensive environment of 2003. a 4.47 ERA in the AL East in 2003 pitching half your games in Fenway was really quite good.

i’ll stick with “pretty good”.

also, 2002 wasn’t just “good”, it was great.

so, now you have 1 great season, 1 good season, and 1 below average season.

]]> By: The Honorable Congressman Mondesi http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198346 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:28:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198346 <i>"None of your silly “facts” or “historical accuracies” will change that law, handed down from <strike>God</strike> <strike><strong> Mo </strike></strong> <strong> Chris C.</strong> himself."</i> Fixed. “None of your silly “facts” or “historical accuracies” will change that law, handed down from God Mo Chris C. himself.”

Fixed.

]]> By: Bo http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198336 Bo Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:23:17 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198336 Burnett just dominated in the AL East. He has strikeout stuff which we need. Burnett just dominated in the AL East. He has strikeout stuff which we need.

]]> By: DonnieBaseballHallofFame http://riveraveblues.com/2008/11/pa-yanks-mets-may-compete-5684/#comment-198316 DonnieBaseballHallofFame Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:13:47 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=5684#comment-198316 No thanks on Derek Slow. I would rather stink next year, than sign some over the hill guys to multi year deals. No thanks on Derek Slow. I would rather stink next year, than sign some over the hill guys to multi year deals.

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