Report: Mussina to retire

Prospect Profile: Jeremy Bleich
Open Thread: In Salute of Moose

Via Ken Rosenthal, Mike Mussina has decided to call it quits and retire. The soon-to-be 40 year old leaves the game after his first 20 win season, having grossed over $144M in his 18 year career. Only 32 men have won more games in the big leagues than Moose, a rather remarkable number. The decision will be officially announced later in the week.

Congrats on the wonderful career Mike, few have done it better.

Update by Ben: From a personnel perspective, this leaves Yanks now with just Chien-Ming Wang and Joba Chamberlain as their starters under contract. The Yanks will probably now try to wrap up a deal with Andy Pettitte in short order and may increase the team’s push to sign CC Sabathia and either A.J. Burnett or Derek Lowe. Of the two Yankee starters from 2008, I was hoping Moose would be back instead of Andy, but you have to respect Mussina’s decision. He’s definitely going out on top.

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Prospect Profile: Jeremy Bleich
Open Thread: In Salute of Moose
  • andrew

    *tear*

  • jim

    nooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    This is bad news for the Yanks, but I gotta tip my cap to Mussina. He turned in one helluva performance this year and knows that it’s better to go out on top than it is to fade away. I’m sure his memories of 2007 are fresh in his mind.

    The Yanks now have a rather huge rotation hole to fill.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      1) CC at 6/140
      2) Pettitte at 1/12
      3) Sheets at 3/42 + a vesting option

      1-CC
      2-Wang
      3-Joba (+ Aceves)
      4-Pettitte (+ Hughes)
      5-Sheets (+ IPK)

      + Sanchez, Coke, Giese, Jones, Hacker, Wright

      I think we can make it through 162 starts with that, and have virtually no Ponsnerian debacles…

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        I wish the Yanks were higher on Sheets. I’ve heard virtually nothing about him this off-season.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Me too. You could slot Burnett or Lowe right into the outline I put forward and it still works, but it’s not what I want.

          Even with him possibly still being injured TODAY, although his agent denies it, I’d still go with Sheets on a 2+1, 3+1, or 3+1+1 over Burnett on a 4 or five. Even at identical AAV’s (which I think it won’t be; Burnett seems to be aiming for an AAV of 16 or higher, and I think Sheets could be had in the 13-16 range.

          Sheets is the better pitcher and requires the shorter contract. Those two things seem fairly clear to me. Unless we have reason to believe that elbow is totally fucked, like TJS-level fucked, I can’t see why the Yankees would prefer Burnett over Sheets.

          And don’t give me the “he’s AL tested” line. Burnett was a 3.00-3.50 ERA NL pitcher, and he moved to the AL and now he’s a 3.50-4.00 ERA pitcher. Well, guess what: Sheets is a 3.00-3.50 NL pitcher. Big whoop.

          The likeliest of all scenarios is that both Sheets and Burnett spend some time over the next few years on the DL, and both of them pitch with good-but-not-acelike numbers, somewhere in the #2-#3 starter range. So, if you’re going to get that, why not get it for 3/42 + an option instead of 4/64 or 5/80?

          • Lanny

            Sheets will be one of the last guys off the board. The situation where his agents can see who went where and for how much and the losers can bid on the guy with upside.

            He’ll get a nice 4 yr deal someplace like STL or Hou.

        • Joey H

          You would seriously sign a pitcher who is a candidate for TJ surgery? seriously guys c’mon. Do you not remember him missing the end of the season with the arm troubles…

          • whozat

            I also remember Burnett missing large chunks of time almost every single season. And that the last two times he pitched 200 innings, he missed significant time over both of the next two seasons.

            So, I’d rather commit 3 years to an injury risk than 5, basically.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            You would seriously sign a pitcher who is a candidate for TJ surgery? seriously guys c’mon. Do you not remember him missing the end of the season with the arm troubles…

            Not every “arm trouble” equates to TJS. The reports say it was a torn muscle. Torn muscles heal.

            • Joey H

              Yeah but c’mon im no asshole man and neither are you the guy will need tommy john. We all know it.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                No, we don’t all know that. We know very little. Jeremy Bleich reportedly needed TJS as well.

  • MrJigginz

    Hall of Fame?

    • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

      he gets my vote

    • jsbrendog

      as i said below, yup

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Yes.

      At his peak, he was amongst the very best in the game.
      Over the bulk of his career, he was one of the very best to have played in that era.

      Yes.

  • Moose Returns!

    Here, here. Well said Mike A.

    Moose was a champ and a warrior. Very rarely would he let you down in a big spot. My only regret is that we couldnt get a ring for him.

    And kudos on going out on top and not fading away like so many others before him (See Glavine, Wells, Maddox).

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      You need a new handle.

  • frank

    He had a nice career; can only hope Pettitte follows his lead and does the same.

  • yankeefan91 (sign c.c asap)

    we gonna miss u moose u did a hell of a job this year for ussssss i wish u tha best

  • Brooklyn Ed

    I would like to thank god for making a Moose a Yankee!

    =(

  • jsbrendog

    does this mean ice cream in the clubhouse goes with him?

    but seriously, i really wanted himt o come back even if he couldn’t do it anymore just for the hope that he could get to 300 wins and be “guaranteed” the HOF because pitching his whole career in the AL east during the steroid era his numbers are better than any other pitcher who pitched in the nl their whole career.

    • Old Ranger

      Very well said, I was going to post about the same thing…mostly about the steroid thing. A lot of people forget that he had a very good fastball and wicked curve and change-up for all those years, before age caught up to him.
      He will be missed greatly…good luck Moose! 27/09.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Mooooooooose!

    • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

      MOOOOOOOOSSSSSSEEEEEEE!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        MOOOOOOOOOOOO-URNS!!!

        • Thirty5Thirty6

          I was saying mooooo-urns.

  • Tim Q. Mills

    Mike Mussina has been my favorite pitcher in all of baseball for the last 10 years. I respect his decision to retire and expect to see him inducted into the Hall of Fame.

    Thanks for all the wins Moose.

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    I tip my cap to Moose. I don’t think the Yankees will miss him though–he’s been on a bad season, good season, bad season, good season. Add that to his age and a the luck factor, and I don’t think he would have been better than Andy Pettitte.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    The Curse of the Moose is over?

  • Brooklyn Ed

    Note to CC:

    there’s a house in NY for sale.

    • jsbrendog

      lol

  • Chip

    It’s unfortunate but he could see the writting on the wall that if he struggled, he might be replaced in the rotation if somebody like Hughes or IPK was just dominating. Best to go out on top!

  • christopher

    i dont know about a curse after all he did pitch one of the biggest games in yankee history against the A’s…the play – enough said

    2001 mariano doesnt throw it into center and he gets a ring…2003 if Aaron boone gets the man in from 3rd in extra innings with one out the yankees win that series too IMO.

    doubt he makes it into the HOF. He pitched basically at the same time that glavine did with the major difference being glavine did it in the NL. Glavine held on looking like crap his last couple of years just to get to 300 wins. For my money mussina was a better pitcher and yet glavine will get the bid because he stayed longer than he should – there is something wrong with that.

    i had hoped mike would stay to finish the 300 wins because unfortunatly as it stands now i dont think he gets in.

    • Rick in Boston

      They don’t make it to the 2003 World Series without his effort in Game 7 of the ALCS

      • Count Zero

        Amen. I always thought he was the real hero of that game.

  • Lanny

    He has to be a HOF guy.

    Is he the bets pitcher of the last 20 yrs? No. But hes certainly in the top 10 which means HOF.

    Plus I see him and many other pitchers getting major points from old school writers because they were “clean” or people assume they are.

    • andrew

      not attacking here, but do you want to make a list of the top 10 in the last 20?? think it would be interesting

      randy johnson
      maddux
      pedro martinez
      clemens
      mussina
      smoltz
      eckersly
      rivera
      hoffman
      hershisher
      kevin brown(sadly)
      schilling

      thats 12 off the top of my head…

  • Frank

    I remember how excited I was when we signed Moose going into 2001. Congrats on a great career, Moose. Come back in a few years and coach our pitchers and we’ll get you a ring.

  • ko

    I was thinking that Mussina was bluffing retiring to get a three year deal out of the Yankees. Depending on how the free agent signings go, he still may be in play.

  • christopher

    gammons on espn radio predicts CC to the dodgers

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Peter Gammons is fast becoming the George Bush of sports commentating.

      Just because you repeatedly say rosy statements from your fantasy version of events doesn’t make them true.

      • christopher

        good point…i remember before the sox broke the curse when he actually reported with some real information instead ok making it up

      • mustang

        It’s a shame because he was really good at one point a leader in his industry.

  • christopher

    it really is amazing to me that he retires…how many guys retire that close to 300 wins when they are still effective.

    only the 4th pitcher in history to retire after a 20 win season joining koufax (who retired from injury) and 2 of the black sox who didnt really retire but were thrown out of baseball

  • mustang

    Bottom line the man showed what he was made of last year. It’s always better to walk out the door on top then to be pushed out.

    Wish him all the best and thank you.

    MOOOOOOOSE !!!!!!!!!!

  • Jeff B.

    Mike Mussina H.O.F. Period.

    • Ron

      True.

      I don’t know why, but I just compared his career #’s to Steve Carlton’s. Now before anyone jumps ugly on me, I’m NOT saying Moose was as good as Lefty.

      But… WHIP – Moose, 1.19. Carlton 1.25; K/9 – Moose, 7.10, Carlton, 7.13; K/BB- Moose, 3.58, Carlton, 2.26.

      I believe Moose definitely belongs in the HOF, but let’s face it, if those morons can’t even figure out who’s a rookie, how the hell can we expect them to figure out who is a HOFer, out side the totally obvious?

  • stuart

    Good for Moose. Leaving on top, not being dragged out.

    He is a smart man.. His Yankee career was a good career not great but very good.

    I will miss his delivery with men on base….

    • Chip

      There’s always IPK……

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        shhhhh… ix-nay on the PK-I-ay. That’s tantamount to blasphemy around here. Everyone knows Kennedy is the big suxor. He’ll never amount to jack. Worse than Ponson, Rasner, Ed Whitson and Sam Militello combined.

        We should take him out back and shoot him like the dog he is.

  • Christian

    Congrats to a HOF career Moose. I wish he would have won a ring though.

  • Colombo

    Sad day indeed…

    Since joining the yanks in 2001, Mussina won 123 games for us. Thats damn good if you ask me.

    Of all the things I’ll miss about Mike, from the knuckle-curve to the bent over motion in his stretch to the great defense, I think the thing I’ll miss the most are the Moose-burns he rocked. Not sidebrns, Mooseburns..

    So, for one last time, lets hear it oud and clear…

    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEEEE

  • Thirty5Thirty6

    To be honest, I do not want to believe this until I actaully hear it from the Moose’s mouth.

  • J.R.

    Well there go my theories that Moose was gauging the market.

  • Joseph M

    Let me ask this, outside of Sandy Koufax (and now I guess Mussina) has any pitcher in the history of baseball retired off a twenty win season?

    • Steve

      I think there were two off the Black Sox team. But that was kind of a forced retirement.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        I could be wrong, but I believe Denny Neagle won 27 games the year he retired.

        • Steve

          I was being serious. Here’s who the were

          Knuckleballer Eddie Cicotte (29-7)

          http://www.baseball-reference......ed01.shtml

          Claude Preston “Lefty” Williams (23-11)

          http://www.baseball-reference......le01.shtml

          Both were banned after playing the 1920 season, when the scandal broke and the indictments were handed down.

          Here’s the whole rundown of the Black Sox scandal, which some may not be familiar with. If you saw “Eight Men Out” you know the story

        • Steve

          I was being serious. Here’s who the were

          Knuckleballer Eddie Cicotte (29-7)

          Claude Preston “Lefty” Williams (23-11)

          Both were banned after playing the 1920 season, when the scandal broke and the indictments were handed down.

          Here’s the whole rundown of the Black Sox scandal, which some may not be familiar with. If you saw “Eight Men Out” you know the story

          • Steve
          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            I know you were being serious. I wasn’t.

            And I love Eight Men Out, btw. Great movie. Although it’s impossible to say the phrase “I love Eight Men Out” without sounding a little queer.

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

    I am interested in a one year deal for Randy Johnson and / or a two year deal for Ben Sheets in addition to CC. I would no way give AJ 5 years or Lowe an offer. I would offer Andy a one year 6 mill plus incentives take it or leave it deal, and possibly offer him arb if i think he would go somewhere else like the Stros so we could get them picks.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      I would offer Andy a one year 6 mill plus incentives take it or leave it deal

      I’ll save you the time… he’ll leave it. And be insulted. (And no, even if you don’t want him around next year, we shouldn’t be insulting people on general principle.)

  • Steve

    Now that Moose is gone, the Yanks have no excuse to make Andy wait any longer for a new contract. Now they either want him back, or they don’t.

    I’m fine with it either way, but don’t give me that bullshit about him wanting 2 years, demanding 16 mil. Andy was QUOTED at the Joe Torre dinner saying that there has been no contact between him and the Yanks whatsoever, no discussions of any kind.

    If you don’t want Andy back, just say so. But don’t lie about him on the way out. This isn’t Boston, and he deserves better.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

      Andy and his agents do the whole good cop bad cop thing. That is why you hear conflicting reports. It is not the Yankees fault on that front, it is Andy’s. Andy is the one who employs his agents. Their interest is not just Andy’s $ but also the overall pitching market as they are pretty much pitching specialists, and latch onto most big name pitchers from that region.

      • Steve

        Sign him or don’t. But if he goes, don’t smear him on his way out. That will piss me off more than him not being resigned.

  • E-ROC

    The “Cerebral Assassin” Mike Mussina retires. HOF!

  • Brian

    “ix-nay on the PK-I-ay”

    well done, tsjcakamrsinsj. you speak like a man who pisses horseradish.

    so moose’s departure begins a new era in the Great Junk Food in the Locker Room debate. point: joe girardi?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      For the record, I piss excellence.

  • Ivan

    Well So long Moose, you will be miss. You had a tremendous career and hopefully your retirement will be just as good if not better.

    Thank You Mike Mussina.

  • Ivan

    And here’s farewell to one more moose call

    Moooooooooooooooooooooooosssssseee!

  • Lanny

    On the bright side the Moose-Giambi jinx is now gone.

  • YankCrank20

    Some of my fave Moose memories:

    -Him being on the mound and his effort in the game that supplied the Jeter flip play.
    -His gutsy relief appearance in gave 7 of the 2003 ALCS.
    -His 20 wins last year.

    Of course, there are many more great memories of Moose. Can’t believe the next time we see him on the mound will be for Old Timer’s Day :(

    • Ivan

      Well you could put that performance against Boston in 01 when he was a strike away from a perfect game and overall had one of the most dominate pitching performances I,ve ever seen. and that game was a Sunday Night Game on ESPN.

  • Shamus

    Wow, so this changes everything.

    Here’s what they have to do:

    Sign CC, 6 years, $150M. Bring back Pettitte for 1 year, $13M.

    Try to sign Lowe for 3 years, $54M. Thats $18M a season. I’d rather do that than tie up the same amount of money (18M) over 5 years for AJ.

    With CC and Lowe in the fold, go after Tex. At least make a bold offer, like 5 years, $135M.

    Try to convinve him into a Damon deal, lite on years but high on dollars. Tell him that he can go out at 35 and get another 4 or 5 year deal worth another $100M then.

    Then we are ready to play!

    • Ivan

      Moose retiring doesn’t really change anything.

      We all knew that Moose was going to retire or the chances of him doing so was high. At best it will affect the yanks offseason as a minor problem. Sure, it would have been great for the yanks for him to comeback and pitch for them, but that was unlikely and now it’s official.

  • Thirty5Thirty6

    Favorite Moose moment:

    His almost perfecto. I can remember watching it, and feeling the mystique. In all seriousness though. Fuck you Carl Everett.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Fuck you, dinosaurs.

      Sincerely,
      Carl Everett

  • Larry

    Other than this year it seemed Moose was rarely the recipient of great run support. He pitched his ass off many a game with a 1 or a 2 run lead.

    HOF.

    I hope Andy doesn’t get the Bernie Williams treatment.

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