Sabathia, smartly, will wait until after Thanksgiving

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Who isn’t involved in the CC Sabathia trade talks? Based upon numerous reports, we know the Yankees and the Brewers have outstanding offers, and we know Yankee fans are getting restless. But that’s just silly. Anyway, we’ll get there in a second.

As Wednesday progressed, two new teams supposedly entered the mix. In the early afternoon, Dan Graziano noted an impending offer out of San Francisco.

(An aside: Would the Giants really commit nearly over $40 million a season — or more than half of their 2008 payroll — to two pitchers? I realize the team has few contractual commitments past next year, but if they land CC for $23 million a season, they’d be paying Sabathia, Zito and Aaron Rowand a combined $55-$60 million a year. For a team of limited financial means, that combination won’t bring in pennants.)

But the real news came just a few minutes ago when two Newsday reporters unveiled a not-so-shocking report: CC Sabathia will not be deciding upon anything until after Thanksgiving. While Sabathia is content to wait, these offers on which Graziano speculated aren’t quite as sure a bet, according to Ken Davidoff and Anthony Rieber:

The Yankees are content to let CC Sabathia take his time on his big decision, and Sabathia will do just that. As first reported by ESPN’s Peter Gammons, Sabathia doesn’t intend to decide on his next team until after the Thanksgiving weekend.

But for Sabathia, who is well known to prefer both the West Coast and the National League, alternatives to the Yankees’ six-year offer (for about $140 million) don’t appear to be materializing.

Although the Dodgers have some interest in Sabathia, they are not optimistic they can put together a package large enough to land the lefthander, a person familiar with their thinking said. The Dodgers “can’t afford him,” the person said.

It’s the same old story with the non-New York potentials. The Brewers can’t afford him; the Giants shouldn’t afford him; the Dodgers want Manny and can’t afford both. Why then is Sabathia sitting on a six-year, $140-million offer? Simple; he’s just being a good businessman.

Why would a player with the potential to become the richest pitcher in baseball make a decision with no leverage? Why shouldn’t Sabathia wait to see if a West Coast team plays its cards just right to make the Yankees up their offer to $150 million or tack on a seventh season? It doesn’t make sense to sign right away, and both the Yankees and Carsten Charles know that. New York’s offer isn’t going anywhere and neither is CC quite yet.

Doug Melvin, the Brewers’ GM, who probably wants Sabathia, knows that patience right now is the name of the game. In a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel article focusing around the Giants, Melvin waxes philosophical on the CC situation. Sabathia and his agent will solicit counter-offers once all of the primary offers are in. That’s just the way business works.

So we wait. Some of us wait more impatiently than others, but it’s all just part of one big negotiation. In fact, we’re not the only ones waiting. Every other big-name free agent pitcher is waiting for CC to sign too. He and the team that signs him set the market, and everyone knows it.

The Yanks have done their part, and now the rest of the league will do its part as well. Be it ten days, two weeks or a month, we’ll find out before Spring Training which team lands Sabathia. Everything in between is just the Hot Stove League turned up high.

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  • yankeestripes

    Ive been a cc fan since ’04 and wanted him im pinstripes ever since i just hope we land him.

  • dan

    Does anyone else find it strange that the Red Sox were so hot after Johan last season and aren’t even making a pass at CC this off-season? Maybe they were just trying to block the Yankees attempts to get Johan, that’s possible. But then why aren’t they trying to jack up the price it will take for them to sign CC this year? It’s very strange to me.

    • Tom

      because we set the bar so high

      Can’t go much higher than 6/140 without actually being legitimately interested in signing him

      • jsbrendog

        i feel that that might have something to do with the offer too, the red sox possible meddling to drive the price up. The yankees know he is their priority and they know the red sox are one of the only teams other than them with the means to sign him so rather then go 110 like melvin said they were like, well, if we go 110 the sox might go 125 even tho theyre not really interested so we’ll outbid the theoritical possibility of competition from them and just go 140 because if anyone goes over that then they’re not pretending, they are for reals, like, fo realz.

        just my 2 cents.

        • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

          last off-season, i don’t think they anticipated how quickly Lester would become a top of the rotation starter.

          he always had poor control, and this year it all just clicked (note to Steve Lombardi, this happens with young pitchers).

          i would sit on the sidelines if i were them too.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            he always had poor control, and this year it all just clicked (note to Steve Lombardi, this happens with young pitchers.

            BULLSHIT!!!!

  • Simo

    I think it is imperative that the Yanks sign Sabathia. We all know that they need that number one guy who they can count on every five days. I have been a devoted fan for over twentyfive years now and I know pitching is everything and I agree with everyone that the Yankees need pitching.

    One alarming thing though. I worry about the lineup for next year. I am not an A-Rod basher. I still have faith in Cano. I think Nady can be excellent. I am excited about the versatility of Swisher.

    I fear to ask where are the clutch hitters in our lineup? Jeter is without a doubt, Mr. Clutch, but besides Jeter who else do you want at bat when the yanks need that game winning base hit? Am I the only one that remembers watching Yankee losses last year due to a lack of offense?

    Like all of you, I hope to have CC Sabathia under the Yankee Christmas Tree this year, but is it just a bit greedy to request a firstbaseman named Texeira hanging out of the stocking!!!

    • Chip

      Well we do have Gardner who can’t hit unless it’s a clutch situation

      I’m about 90% sure that we end up with CC. Nobody is going to come close to that bid and everybody knows it, genius move by Cashmoney

    • Joop

      Clutch hitting is a myth.

      • dan

        It’s not a myth. It’s just the long-term effect of it is so tiny that it’s not worth worrying about.

    • jsbrendog

      who else do you want at bat when the yanks need that game winning base hit?

      JoMo

      Jose Molina :-P

  • J.R.

    Just for a minute consider that if the Giants get CC what their rotation would look like.

    CC
    Lincecum
    Zitto (really good second half and looked even better with sandoval catching him)
    Cain
    TBD

    For the NL west that would be dominant, and a rotation built to own the playoffs. That said, no way should the giants commit that much money (percentage wise) to two players.

    • john

      sf can’t compete financially. unless cc’c willing to take a lot less to stay west/nl

      • Jay

        Giants are his favorite team and he grew up there, don’t ever underestimate a fan like CC, who isn’t all about selling out and going to baseball’s version of the Nazi party.

    • jsbrendog

      zito would be the nmber 4 in that rotation even if he reverts back to his od self.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      For the NL west that would be dominant, and a rotation built to own the playoffs.

      Too bad you also have to score runs to make it into the playoffs.

  • BigBlueAL

    This is bullshit, I cant wait that long!!!! Someone tell CC Yankee fans expect/deserve a decision as soon as possible!!!!

    • Spaceman.Spiff

      !!!!!!

    • jsbrendog

      yeah cashman sucks cause he hasn;t gottent hsi done yet. what a terrible gm. he should be fired.

  • yankeestripes

    increasing the offer to 6yrs 150mil or he even be looking for a seventh year listen this guy is a horse give him whatever he wants

    • radnom

      oats?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        We could put language in his contract that we’d guarantee to “retire him to stud” after he’s done…

  • pat

    cc is gonna wait til after thanksgiving so he can decide by whichever team send him the most delicious turkey dinner. If im the yankees i opt for deep fried

    • jsbrendog

      with all the fixins haha

  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

    If I ran the Yanks I would not raise my offer at all. It will be the high offer and if he wants to go elsewhere he can and that money will be spent elsewhere. Our team made the bold offer, and it will be the high offer so why crumble and offer more?

    In this increasingly hard economic times I think a guy would be wise to jump at what will be the highest offer he will see (even if the Yanks end up tacking on more money is it really worth the risk at this point? it would not be to me, but I also dont already have 20 million in the bank)

    • jsbrendog

      i agree but we all know this will not happen.

      case in point: we will not negotiate with arod if he opts out.

      cut to a month later: we are happy to announce we have signed arod to the biggest contract ever when there was absolutely no one else involved who even wanted to pay him that much money

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        “case in point: we will not negotiate with arod if he opts out.

        cut to a month later: we are happy to announce we have signed arod to the biggest contract ever when there was absolutely no one else involved who even wanted to pay him that much money”

        I agree, I think that will happen as well. I just know that is NOT the way to play it. Wish we had somebody with balls doing the negotiating for the Yankees.

        • jsbrendog

          we do. his name is brian cashman. unfortunately the steinbrenner’s have his balls in a jar on their mantle and only let them out for holidays and alternate weekends

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          I just know that is NOT the way to play it. Wish we had somebody with balls doing the negotiating for the Yankees.

          Except Cashman’s goal is not to “show balls”. It’s to build a competitive team. So while, yes, he could be a hard-ass and say “Look, the offer’s 6/140, take it or leave it, fucko”, that isn’t necessarily the way to sign CC.

          Our primary objective here is not to look like we “won the negotiation”. It’s to sign CC.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Austin Milbarge: For god’s sake, man, show some balls.
          Emmitt Fitz-Hume: I think it’s a little late to try and impress them…

    • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

      even in these “hard economic times” do you think it will really matter if CC takes an offer for $110M instead of $140M?

      i am honestly not trying to be sarcastic, i’m just saying that i don’t think CC Sabathia really has any concerns about the economy.

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        I think he would if it fell apart in the next few weeks or a month. Most people out there fail to see how shaky ground we are really on right now. Talk to anybody who is a broker or high up in the banking business and you will see how worried they are, and it is for more than just their job.

        • jsbrendog

          cc will not have to worry over 30 million. he will have aguaranteed contract and should god forbid something happen to that contract it wont matter if it was for 100 mil or 100000000 mill

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Still, 30M buys a lot of “make this dead stripper disappear”

            • jsbrendog

              he will be able to make it rain all up in this joint

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Ok, Donnie, I hate to pick on you after yesterday’s Bernie-Mattingly debate, but I have to respond to this.

      First, how could you NOT raise your offer? This is a negotiation over something the Yankees want. They’re not going to now turn around and toe a hard line. What purpose does that serve?

      Second, I don’t think CC Sabathia is too concerned with “increasingly hard economic times.” He’s going to get well over $100 million which is more than any of us will ever see if our entire lifetimes. I don’t think he’s too concerned about that difference between $110 and $140 million to not field all of the offers he can. The Yanks aren’t about to rescind their offer, and Spring Training doesn’t start until February. So what’s the big rush?

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        If we had a meltdown of the whole economy (which could happen) between now and say the time he wants to sign on the line, all those offers could vanish. If the stock market dropped 2000 points in a day, a few more of these banks go under, things could get real funny real quick for MLB teams and their spending habits.

        That was my point there.

        “I don’t think he’s too concerned about that difference between $110 and $140 million to not field all of the offers he can.”

        If that is the case than why would he care between 140 and 150? Your logic is a little fuzzy right there.

        As far as picking on me, I welcome anybody at anytime to share their feelings on whatever I say. Just because a bunch of kids that never saw Donnie play in his prime and have only grown up watching a dynasty and are spoiled by it does not make me change my opinion of what I saw with my own eyes.

        • jsbrendog

          i grew up watchingnhim in his prime and still think youre dead wrong

          but i digress.

        • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/01/18/jeter_ap/index.html steve (different one)

          Just because a bunch of kids that never saw Donnie play in his prime and have only grown up watching a dynasty and are spoiled by it does not make me change my opinion of what I saw with my own eyes

          i’m not starting this again, but i am old enough to have witnessed Mattingly’s entire career. so are many of the people that disagreed with you.

          this is a BS argument.

          • jsbrendog

            <——-happy to have been a pascual perez and danny tratabulll fan and still cared even tho we sucked. for a loooong time

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Me too. I’m also not some “kid” who wasn’t old enough to have seen Donnie in his prime. And I freaking deluged you with information, both anecdotal and quantifiable, that says you were wrong about Donnie being heads and shoulders better. He just wasn’t.

            Doesn’t mean I don’t like the guy, but your argument held little water, and you did nothing to defend it, other than repeatedly claiming that we just didn’t see Donnie play so we can’t appreciate him, which is categorically false.

            • jsbrendog

              and you started the argument again when it was dead. so in essence you dug up the horse, and then proceeded to beat it some more

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                I’m an asshole.

                • jsbrendog

                  not you, him. you were just responding as was i. poor wording

                  my bad.

                  you are absolved

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  Oh. Well, I’m still an asshole, though. That part is true.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Here’s the bottom line on all this “Cashman should do this” or “CC should do this” debate:

          It’s in CC’s best interest to wait and see if anybody else makes an offer that is reasonably close enough to the Yankees offer that it would cause the Yankees to up the ante. He stands to gain nothing by acting now, since there’s little chance the Yankees would pull the offer off the table. He has little chance of getting the Yankees to increase their offer, true, but you do yourself a disservice by not waiting.

          It’s also in Cashman’s best interest to wait and not give an ultimatum (or pull the offer), since the chances of anybody else making an offer that would cause us to panic and feel the need to increase our offer is also slim. There’s no need to offend him by taking hard-line tactics, just be patient and eventually, it will work itself out. His agent knows we’re prepared to go over the top, so we’ll always have a chance to match any offer CC is seriously considering.

          Again, the goal is to sign the player, not win the negotiation.

      • jsbrendog

        i beg to differ. were any of us to win the megamillions i believe we could top his 100+ million dollar offer.
        However, in reality i will spend enough to buy season tickets on mega,millions tickets this year without winning.

        that is all

    • Jay

      Sometimes you need to make a decent and moral choice, and not sell out. Everyone knows a Yankees Championship ring isn’t the same as one earned through hard work and smart moves. The Yankees simply buy their rings, though they can’t even do that anymore.

  • Steve S

    I know we can poo poo the Giant offer. But if that article off of MLB trade rumors from San Francisco did break down a possibility that they could put together a package for 6 years and $120M, specifically by back loading and deferring money. I think they said their payroll last year was around $70M and right now they have about $50M committed. If CC is that into the West Coast and playing home, because these rumors wont stop, then I think there is a possibility he could leave that money on the table. I would never leave that money on the table but we really cant judge where his head is at.

    All this being said, I don’t know where the Giants are at financially, especially considering everything is going on and they are still paying off that stadium. And while I dont think CC not accepting the Yankee offer yet is indicative of anything, I do have concerns that the Giants fit all of his other preferences, aside from the financial.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      I do have concerns that the Giants fit all of his other preferences, aside from the financial.

      Except for the gigantic fact that they, you know, totally suck balls and would probably miss the playoffs for the entire six year duration of his deal, and with Zito’s putrid contract as an albatross around their necks, they’re not going to have the financial wherewithal to get any better.

      CC wants to be in the NL, he wants to be close to home, he wants to hit.
      He also wants to get paid and be on a winning team and compete for a title. SF still has a ways to go on that one.

      • Jay

        If he wants to be on a winning team, shouldn’t he go to Boston or Tampa Bay? Plus with Mussina retiring and Pettite leaving, Sabathia can only pitch once every 5 days.

  • JohnC

    Patience people! Patience!!! We all knew this wasn’t gonna happen in a day or two. Yanks are doing the right thing by not pressuring him for an answer. Might just turn him off. Yanks made that mistake in 93 with Barry Bonds (before he was a known steroid user) Made him an offer and kept saying, “If you don’t call us back by this date or this hour it’s off the table” He got turned off and told Yanks where to go. Turns out that he did yanks a favor. Saved them alot of bad publicity over the years.

    • jsbrendog

      i cringe thinking bonds couldve been a yankee….think about what that does to the “dynasty” teams

      some may lambatse me saying but he’s a hr hitter and lefty etc etc and we wouldve won mroe etc etc but who knows……everything wouldve changed…..and i do not want to know how

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      In that alternate universe, I can easily see Bonds winning multiple rings with the Yankees, being universally acclaimed as a great player and a superstar, never feeling dwarfed by the McGwire/Sosa HR craze of 1998, and never juicing at all.

      Just a thought.

      • jsbrendog

        interesting perspective

    • Jay

      Yes, the Yanks had Giambi and Knoblauch to provide that.

  • nick blasioli

    i think the big rush for the yankees is, they want to get on to other signings and no one will sign until cc makes up his mind….in my estimation,,,,and i hope that i am wrong…i think cc will stay in the national league…you take and offer like l40 mil and do nothing…thats got to tell you something….i just wish they would offer aj a large contract and get the ball rolling there…all the teams know that the yankees are really hurting in the pitching department….

  • http://mvn.com/milb-yankees Eric

    But if CC waits until after Thanksgiving to sign, he could cost himself potential cash by putting on some serious pounds on Turkey Day.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      CC could be hiding a whole “emergency turkey” in his jersey while pitching (in case he gets hungry on the mound) for all we know.

      • jsbrendog

        imagine how many jokes like this will be told if and when he signs

  • Manimal

    Didnt Torii Hunter do the same thing last year?

  • Chip-Yankees Beat

    We at Yankees Beat want to acquire somebody more Yankee like, not an over weight players who shows up only during his Contract Year”. Get lost, Sabathia, we want Lowe.

  • Realist

    Chip makes a valid point, and to do one better, I want the Yankees to build their farm team back up first, tired of spending so much on tickets for players like A Rod, Pavano, etc, who take the money, and dont show up. We found the Bernies, Jeters, Mariano’s, and Jobas. Why cant we find our Own.