Sunday night open thread: Perrotto’s predictions

Willie and the bench
Questions heading into this week

While the Jets were busy mauling the Rams, baseball seems to take a backseat during Sundays in November. Later this week, the free agent signing frenzy should kick off, and teams and players are looking to wrap up negotiations fairly quickly.

To that end, John Perrotto, one of Baseball Prospectus’ writers, chimed in with his off-season predictions. While the article is for BP subscribers only, I can summarize his predictions as they relate to a lot of the players we’ve been analyzing lately.

CC Sabathia — Yankees. He sees a bidding war of sorts but writes, “The Yankees will throw so much money at Sabathia that he won’t be able to say no.”

Manny Ramirez — Four years and $100 million from the Dodgers. That’s a good signing for an AL team that can stash ManRam and his bad glove at DH. For the Dodgers, this signing will completely hamstring them.

Mark Teixeira — Ten years and $200 million from the Washington Nationals. Perrotto thinks the DC-area native wouldn’t be able to turn down that deal. If Teixeira cares at all about playing on a franchise with a better future, he won’t land in DC.

Mike Mussina — Retirement or the Yankees. That’s not really going out on a limb.

Andy Pettitte — Pettitte filed for free agency today, and while the AP thinks that means something, it’s simply a formality. The Yanks don’t seem overly enthused with bringing back Pettitte, and Perrotto thinks he’ll head to Houston.

Bobby Abreu — The Yankees. Perrotto thinks Bob will return to the Bronx. Depending on years/dollars, I’m not against this move. He’s better than Xavier Nady.

Jason Giambi — Oakland. Clearly.

Jason Varitek — My personal favorite is the two-year, $20-million deal Perrotto predicts the Sox will give Jason. I really hope this happens. It would be great to see the Red Sox flush money down the toilet just because this guy is the supposed “heart and soul” of the team. It’s either that or watching them trade Clay Buchholz to the Rangers for one of Texas’ better catching prospects. Either way, it seems like a win-win for the Yanks, no?

Those are the highlights. Feel free to discuss this or anything else (such as the Giants-Eagles game that starts at 8:15 p.m.). This thread will take you through to Joe’s overnight unless something unexpectedly important happens.

Willie and the bench
Questions heading into this week
  • JeffG

    I hope we bring Andy back. There are so many reasons:
    First, I believe he will rebound from his injury. We need to sign three starters. Pettit wants to play here and will come at an affordible price. He logs all kinds of innings. And his willingness to take a one year contract (if that is true) will give us the flexibility to bring one of our youngsters up if they are up to the task.
    If Cashman passes on him I think he will be making a huge mistake.

    • Steve

      I also like having 2 lefties in the rotation. As we saw this year in the playoffs (and most others) some lineups are more susceptible to either righties/lefties and I’d like to have the option of being able to match up my pitchers accordingly.

  • Brandon M.

    would the sawx be so foolish as to throw so much money away on a weak hitting catcher? I’m hoping yes.

    • Steve H

      I hope so too. Unfortunately they basically can afford an unlimited payroll and aren’t afraid to pay to cover up their mistakes. Even if they do screw up and sign him for big $$$, they won’t be afraid to eat the cost and fix their mistake, see Renteria, Edgar (and soon Lugo, Julio). Sox fans don’t want to admit it of course, but their pockets are extremely deep and while they can bash the free spending Yankees all they want, they are next in line when it comes to throwing the coin around.

      • Ivan

        I,ve always felt the yanks cover the asses of the Sox when it comes that Payroll/bad for baseball crap. “Evil empire” stuff.

        • Steve H

          Not only do they cover their asses, but the Sox go out of their way to bitch about it. I don’t hear the other 30 teams bitching about the Sox.

          • Steve

            They bitch about it, but those small market teams love when those revenue sharing and luxury tax checks show up with Hank and Hal’s signature on it.

  • Troy

    Teixeira going back to a rebuilding team (something he went to great lengths to separate himself from back in Texas) just isn’t happening. Sorry

    • Steve H

      You never know though. He might go there if he gets a huge huge contract, then orchestrate a trade in 2 or 3 years, saying he wants to play for a winner. Don’t forget who his agent is.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Huh? He didn’t go to “great lengths” to separate himself from the loosing atmosphere in Texas. They offered him a big contract, he said no because Boras clients never sign extensions, and so Texas traded him when his value was high. He never demanded a trade or anything.

      All he did was what Boras clients do, seek more money. I can absolutely see Tex at a press conference slapping on a Nats’ hat and saying he can’t wait to get on the field and turn this franchise around if they offer him the most money.

      • Ivan

        And you gotta love if he does sign with the Nats, that he said one of my fav sport qoutes:

        Tex: “This wasn’t about the Money” “It wasn’t about the money” “The money had nothing to do with this”

        • Steve

          What do you expect him to say? “I never liked this town, and the team sucks but they gave me the biggest check”? If I was a GM and I just handed a guy a 200 mil contract, I would hope I could get a little good PR out of him as well.

          Tex turned down 140 mil from the Rangers, you have to think he’ll get more on the open market and I’m not sure the Yanks go that far. Not because of the $$, but because of the years. I don’t see them going past 6-7.

          • Ivan

            It’s so fraudulent. You gotta admit. And everyone knows it. It’s wierd, everybody knows he’s lying his ass off and just Bullshitting, but if he tells the truth, the media/fans kill him.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Mark Teixeira: “Signing this $200M contact, for me, wasn’t about the money.

          It was about all the shit I could BUY with the money.”

  • BUCK FOSTON

    Sabathia – agreed. excellent
    Man Ram – fine whatever… he’ll finish his career as a hired gun with 4 different teams in
    4 years.
    Tex – want him in NY. ‘nough said. Mattingly was his idol…Mark…come to NY!!!
    Moose – love to see Moose back
    Andy – could be Moose ’08?
    Bobby – come back.
    Giambi – have fun in the bay.
    V-Tek – devoured by angry boars.

    GO GIANTS!!!!

  • MasterShake

    Just saw an interesting headline on rotoworld.com, apparently a cuban defector (Dayan Viciedo) is an eligible free agent. Rotoworld says he was almost certaintly a 1st rounder had he been in the draft. He’s 19 years old…seems like a good idea for the yanks to go after him…they lost out on their 1st rounder this year and could sign this kid for nothing but the money they would’ve given Cole.

    • Steve

      Yeah, if you’re looking for some more info and a scouting report on him check here

      http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1141

      and here for someone critical of him

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-09-rogers-boxnov09,0,1587045.story

      I like the way you looked at it, though. If he was draft eligible he would almost certainly have been a 1st rounder, so the Yanks can look at this as a replacement for the 1st rounder they lost this year. Maybe the draft wasn’t so bad after all.

    • Steve

      I like the way you put that. Since the Yanks lost out on Cole and Bittle, and most scouts think Viciedo would be a 1st round pick if he went into the draft, then go after him. What would they have given Cole, 5-6 mil? Looks like he’ll be going for less than that.

      They don’t have many high upside position players in their system. There are always questions about any pick, and this would make this year’s draft seem a little more palatable.

  • andrew

    i really hope these predictions are correct (mostly sabbathia and abreu), but i hope that pettitte does come back… the same thing happened the last time he was a free agent though… he said he wanted to come to the yankees, the yankees moved slowly and he left. so i hope they get their act together soon and just work out a deal, he probably isnt looking for much.
    but with abreu… i feel if they can sign him to a shorter deal that it would be great for the yankees. hes a very productive hitter who contributes in a multitude of ways and then they could rotate nady, damon, abreu, matsui amongst the outfield corners and dh spot, or try to trade matsui.

  • Troy

    “Teixeira would be the most logical fit for the Angels and the Red Sox, and the Yankees also have at least some degree of interest.”

    Please tell me how the Red Sox being a more logical fit than the Yankees makes any sense? Last I checked, the Yankees have Juan Miranda right now at 1B, the Red Sox have Youkilis at 1B and Lowell at 3B. Yeah, the Red Sox are a much more logical fit, that’s for damn sure.

    Idiot

    • Ivan

      Ummmm, well Lowell can be shot or a big injury risk. They can just sign Tex and put Youkilis at 3rd base.

      • Troy

        But… my point is is that right now the Yankees don’t have a proven major leaguer at 1B. They would seem like a team that would probably need Teixeira more than Boston

        And I also think Boston’s top prospect is a 1B… Lars Anderson. I don’t see the fit

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I hope the Sox sign Teixeira just to see if Lucchino breaks out the “Little Engine That Could” line during the press conference.

      • Steve

        Now they’re just smarter than everyone else, Mike. Money has nothing to do with it.

  • Relaunch

    I am actually very surprised to see the situation with Pettitte develop. Andy can still be helfpul as a 3, 4 or 5. Plus, he takes the ball every 5th day. I’m not sure what the logic is not signing him if he wants to come back for only 1 year as he has said.

    • Steve

      I don’t think there really is any situation, Cashman was quoted as saying he wants him back, Girardi said the same thing. I think the FA thing was just a formality as BEN (wink) said.

      Worst case scenario, we get a few sweet picks from Houston, which I think are around 20 and 53 if I remember correctly.

  • Steve

    “Bobby Abreu — The Yankees. Perrotto thinks Bob will return to the Bronx. Depending on years/dollars, I’m not against this move. He’s better than Xavier Nady.”

    This was the only part I disagreed with you on, Mike. Abreu’s walk rate has been going down fast over the past few years, to the point where its now HALF what it was when he joined the Yankees. That tells you his bat is slowing down, and he has to commit earlier. The walk rate is often the canary in the coal mine, and some players are able to maintain their production, only to fall off a cliff at some point. He’s well into his decline phase and I don’t want to have him penciled in everyday if/when he falls off dramatically. Its too risky a signing at this point for me.

    Plus, he’s not a guy who can still help you win games with his glove even when his bat is quiet, wheras Nady is. I’ll pass.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Mike didn’t write this post.

    • Steve

      Oops! Not Mike, substitute Ben on that first sentence.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        No worries. I hear what you’re saying about Abreu’s walk rate, and I’d rather see someone else fill that hole. But I don’t think that someone else should be Nady. He’s not a very good fielder; he’s terrible at getting on base; and his age suggests he won’t get much better.

        • Steve

          I think Nady is still preferable based on his age. The fact that Nady’s younger means that its easier to predict his production for next season. Abreu’s at an age where he could fall off dramatically, and give you nothing with the glove. Also, as we learned in spring training of 07 Bobby’s not exactly a fitness fanatic. Abreu is just a much riskier bet to me.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      This was the only part I disagreed with you on, Mike Ben.

      Fixed. This one wasn’t me.

    • Ivan

      Well if it’s for a 1 year deal with an option then I would sign him back. He’s a better offensive player than Nady. Nady, is a free swinger who doesn’t walk and had a sorta a fluke season in 08. Can Nady be a solid player yea, but his bat is not even better than Abreu. And while Abreu is declining, he still posted a .371 OBP. Despite the decline, I still think Abreu can be a .370-380 OBP guy.

      • Steve

        But by all accounts Abreu is looking for a 3 year deal, and it appears the Cubs will give it to him.

        Anyone still in?

        • Ivan

          I can see the Mets giving him that deal too.

          • Steve

            Yep. Omar loves overpriced, declining latin players.

  • Ivan

    What a pick by the defensive Tackle.

  • Ivan

    DeSean Stevens in the house.

    • Ivan

      I mean Jackson

  • E-ROC

    CC Sabathia — Agree.

    Manny Ramirez — I think that fourth year would be an option.

    Mark Teixeira — If that Nats offer that much money along with the years, I don’t see the Yanks matching.

    Mike Mussina — Agree.

    Andy Pettitte — Maybe. Pettitte could feel insulted with the Yanks asking him to take a paycut so he could go back to Houston for one year. I don’t think that will happen though. I think he’ll accept the paycut and return to the Yanks next season.

    Bobby Abreu — Disagree. Abreu wants a multi-year contract and the Yanks will probably only want one more year with Abreu.

    Jason Giambi — Agree.

    Jason Varitek — GM extraordinaire, Theo, will give definitely give in to the Captain. Gammons will praise the move ’til pigs fly based on the fact that Varitek was lucky enough to catch multiple no-hitters and he’s good with young pitchers.

    • Steve H

      I still can’t get over the phenomenal job Tek did with Bucholz this year. A young guy with no stuff at all and Varitek coaxed him to have so much succe………….nevermind.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        4 NO-HITTAHS!1111!!!!11!1

        • Steve H

          I live in Boston, so I’ve had this argument too many times to count. My two points are always (and I never get a good answer): 1. Why does Varitek get all of the credit for Bucholz’ no hitter, but none of the blame when he sucks for a season. 2. If catching no-hitters was a reflection of great catching, why on earth does Piazza have 2 caught? And, since everyone up here loves Carlton Fisk, I love pointing out that during Fisk’s time with the White Sox, White Sox pitchers threw 2 no-hitters. Of course Fisk’s backup caught both. So does that make Piazza a much better “handler” of pitchers than Fisk? Funny, I usually win this argument.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    I need a big game out of Brandon Jacobs and a mediocre/bad effort from the Giants’ D. We’re getting down to fantasy crunch time here.

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Mike, how’s my matchup against you in RAB FF coming in along?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I’m up 81.26 to 72.00 right now. I have Jacobs going tonight, you have the Giants’ D. Neither of us have anyone going tomorrow.

      • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        i’m surprised it’s that close. thanks btw.

  • Ivan

    Fuck man.

  • Ivan

    giving up a FG is a small victory there.

  • Manimal

    fucking hedgecock, they ALWAYS throw to him in a key situation and he always fucks up. GRRRRR!

  • pat

    kenny phillips is going to destroy somebody tonight, mark it down.

  • daniel

    if texiera does go to the nationals, which sounds like a real possibility, what are the backups. Dont give me the Sean Caseys of the world, because that is not a viable option for this team. What are the odds of getting Swisher? I know that .219 doesnt sound all that good, but he seems like hed fit into the lineup well, and theres no reason to think that the other good numbers he had, like power and OBP, wont translate into success. I also think abreu should be brought back. theres a finite amount of guys that can consistently produce like Abreu, and his contributions would definitely be missed. the Yanks need to recognize that now, before someone else snatches him up. Three yrs is a lot, but 2 years is definitely a yes.

    • Steve H

      I would like to see Swisher (even if we get Tex) and Cash and Williams have worked on trades in the past, so I’d have to think we have a shot at him.

  • ortforshort

    I don’t see the problem in giving Abreu a multi-year deal. Matsui, Damon and (possibly) Nady are all gone after this year. Gardner and Cabrera are obviously not solutions. That leaves no outfielders after this season. It would be foolish to count on AJax for 2010, not that he’s not a good prospect, but he probably will need a couple of years in AAA before becoming a productive major leaguer. Jason Bay, Matt Holliday and Carl Crawford are the only top free agent outfielders available in 2010 and there’s a strong possibility that none of them will be available at that time.

    • Old Ranger

      I think Steve @8:15pmpointed out the obvious about Bobby, I must agree with him…slow bat, bad fielder we don’t need him.
      Give Brett a chance (as they did Melky) to win and maybe keep the CF job… after all he did a much better job after the 2nd call-up. I would go after Crawford very hard in 2010, can you see the outfield defence with Crawfoed in LF, Brett CF and A-jax in RF…a pitchers dream. 27/09.

  • ortforshort

    Whoops. I forgot Vladimir Guerrero in 2010. I’d still sign Abreu.

  • pat

    WHY DO YOU THROW THE BALL ON THE GOAL LINE JUST GIVE IT TO JACOBS

  • Ivan

    Damn, just this close from Kick return TD.

  • Ivan

    Hey Y’all heard the Rockies might trade Holliday to the Cardinals for Ryan Ludwig and some prospects?

    • Mike Pop

      Dumb trade

      • Ivan

        Well while I think the Rockies can do better, they can’t really do that much better really.

      • Steve H

        If Ludwick isn’t a one year wonder (and he was a prospect and good minor leaguer before several injuries took their toll) it’s a good trade. I know that’s a big if, but Holliday is gone in a year, is a significantly different player, and is much more expensive than Ludwick. If this trade goes down, I’d be willing to bet, with good health and the coors effect, Ludwick would have a better season than Holliday in HR’s, RBI (useless stat, I know) SLG% and maybe OPS%.

        • Mike Pop

          Ludwick Idk yet… dudes like 27 or 28 idk i guess its a good trade

  • Ivan

    Come on McNabb.

  • Ivan

    Oh Shit Family Guy.

  • Mike Pop

    The Tex prediction is great

  • Mike Pop

    F the Giants and the EAgles… Once Romo comes back your gonna see a true squad

    • pat

      please be joking pops

      • Mike Pop

        Na im not

        • Mike Pop

          Cowboys = Great Team

          • pat

            haha if you say so

            • Mike Pop

              You will see Pat

              • Ivan

                When the Cowboys D learn how to tackle, then talk to me.

                • Bruno

                  Skins baby!

  • Reggie C.

    Gotta ask: Does anybody think that Nady figured it out at the plate last season or was it a case of “spike year”??

    Is Nady capable of putting up a line of .280/.350/.450 in a full season of AL ball?

    • Steve

      He’s showed steady improvement over the course of his career, so I wouldn’t be surprised either way. When he came up, he couldn’t hit righties, over the past few years he got better and better and now he hits righties better than lefties. He could be a player coming into his peak, but even if he isn’t I’d be happy with his 2007 numbers and some improved defense in RF.

  • Manimal

    Jacobs just got LIT UP. Shit dude. Bad choice to jump over Samuels.

    • Reggie C.

      That Philly TD is on Jacob’s head. Jacob can’t get aerial like that ever again!! The man moves earth. Stay on earth Jacob!

      • Manimal

        Totally agree. He had the first down if he bowled over him.

    • pat

      tried to get too fancy

  • Mike Pop

    IPK and Melky + b prospect for Swisher ? Am i being ridic or is that too much ? What would it take realistically

    • Manimal

      You can’t ask us for realistic situations be cause we are all yankees fans too. In my opinion, why would the whitesox want IPK and melky?

      • Mike Pop

        Melky for speed.. IPK young cost controlled

        • Ivan

          And Swisher Value is also low as well.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      ChiSox have no use for Melky. IPK is a good start though.

      • Ivan

        They already have a sucky CF, in Anderson.

      • Mike Pop

        Ya your right…. I forgot bout Owens

      • Reggie C.

        Swisher’s slugging percentage the last three years has dropped precipitously (.493, .455, .410). Isn’t that the hallmark of a guy who ‘roided up one year. I have no idea what Swisher’s line could look like in 2009.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        ChiSox No Major League team has a use for Melky.

        Fixed it for you.

        • Ivan

          lol.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Heh, I was trying to be nice.

  • Ivan

    Right Back in it. Lets go defense, make a stop.

  • Ivan

    Great.

  • Ivan

    And how about Peavy going to the Cubs? The Padres would arguebably take the worst package for peavy. Would the GM have the guts to trade him to the Dodgers? It’s really the best deal.

    • Mike Pop

      The Cubs package isnt as bad as people make it up to be

      • Ivan

        But compared to the potential package of the Dodgers or the Braves, it’s better.

        • Ivan

          it’s worst I mean.

          • Mike Pop

            Ya I agree but Braves seem to be holding tight

            • Reggie C.

              If the Braves aren’t giving up one of Heyward, Hansen, or Freeman, then I wonder if Towers shouldn’t just re-start negotiations with AL teams. Towers isn’t going to get Jair Jurgens either.

              The Yanks could better that deal, as could other AL teams.

              • Ivan

                Well they wouldn’t want Freeman cuz they already have a potential 1st baseman in Blanks and A-Gone has a very good contract so they wanna keep him.

                They want either Heyward or Hansen, with the SS Escobar.

                • Steve

                  A-Gon could bring a nice haul in a trade with that contract of his. Its not like they plan on contending in 09. I’d sell him off now while his value is highest and get a stopgap back in the deal to hold the fort until Blanks is ready. If it was the Yanks, a Juan Miranda type and a few good young pitchers.

                • Reggie C.

                  That’s what’s mystifying to me. A-Gonz is a terrific trade chip and would bring back a couple top-notch young ML players/prospects. If Towers gives up Peavy for not 1 top-notch prospect … and that’s what would happen if he took the Braves’ current offer, then he messed up.

                  Just trade A-Gonz (to us) and really commit to the rebuilding process that could be alot shorter than it would be with A-Gonz on that team.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  If they trade Gonzalez, they should get a better package for him than the Rangers got for Teixeira. He’s younger, signed a stupidly cheap contract, and every bit the hitter and defender. The only thing he isn’t is a switch hitter.

                • Reggie C.

                  The moment Tex signs that 10yr-200M Nats’ offer sheet , the Yanks should call Towers.

                  I’d give up Hughes and A-Jax for Gonzalez.

              • Steve

                Exactly. And if Peavy’s willing to go to Chicago then its not a ‘big city’ thing with him, but more of a NL preference, as has been reported. So if the Yanks jumped back in late and landed him, I would dismiss any makeup questions about being a small town guy.

                • Ivan

                  Chicago is a city in a midwest state. Yeah it’s a big city but it’s not as crazy shall we say the teams in the northeast alla the yanks, Phillies (a team he doesn’t wanna go either) Mets or Sox.

                  It looks like he wanna go to a team in the NL and away from the Northeast.

            • Steve

              I’ve always thought that makes the most sense for them. Its not like Peavy is the final piece that makes them a contender. They’re a horrible team (72-90) that’s a few years and many pieces away. Trading away a few guys you could use to make yourself better overall just doesn’t make sense to me.

              Peavy makes more sense for a contender like the Yanks or Cubs, and the Yanks could outbid the Cub package pretty easily. From what I’ve read its their 2nd best pitching prospect and a reliever, plus some filler.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                They can’t not get at least one true stud in return. They have to get a Hanson, or a Heyward, or a Hughes, or a Buchholz, or a Samardzija type back. Can’t trade away a guy who, for all intents and purposes, is the greatest non-Hoffman pitcher in franchise history without getting a stud in return.

                • Reggie C.

                  If Towers caves in to the current Braves offer, he would be parting with an ace and not get back that stud prospect. Shaffer might have been that stud, but he’s got a former ‘roider. I’m telling you … Yanks can do better than that.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  Shafer & Escobar are nice players, but I think I’d rather have Hanson than those two (combined).

  • Ivan

    I tell ya, I feel good that the Eagles are down only 3 pts considering the Giants outplayed them convincingly in the 1st half. Lets go Eagles.

    • Reggie C.

      McNabb was doing his thing on that last drive. C’mon G-MEN … where’s the pressure?? We should be up by a TD.

  • Mike Pop

    Holliday to the Cards is dead… according to MLBTR

    • Manimal

      was it ever alive?

  • Steve

    “Holliday To Cards Dead?
    By Tim Dierkes [November 9 at 8:49pm CST]

    Tracy Ringolsby of the Rocky Mountain News talked to Cardinals GM John Mozeliak, who admitted the idea of a Matt Holliday trade is dead. The Rockies sought Ryan Ludwick, Skip Schumaker, and Mitchell Boggs from the Cards, and talks hit a wall.

    The A’s may still be in play, while Ringolsby says the Phillies did not discuss Holliday with the Rox during the GM meetings. The Phils are unwilling to part with Shane Victorino. Ringolsby adds that the Red Sox, Rays, and Yankees have expressed interest in Holliday. ”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/holliday-to-car.html

    Man, I don’t get this at all. Great player, but the Yanks need another LF like they need a hole in the head.

    • Ivan

      They probably kickin the tires but hardly interested.

      • pat

        Yea cash wouldnt be doing his job if he didnt at least make an inquiry

    • Steve S

      While I dont think Holliday is a fit, I do think they should be looking at corner outfielders. Looking at the current make-up they have no long term solutions for right field or left field, unless you think Xavier Nady is a long term solution. The minors are barren and the free agent market really doesnt have any premium guys (premium being young who can play defense and produce offense). I think Holliday is a good player and could be a good fit but not under these circumstances. Unfortunately his numbers are skewed because of Coors and those numbers make him an $18-$20M a year player. His real numbers, assuming an adjustment, probably make him a $13-$16M a player. The problem is that he is now a one year rental, you could probably get his truer value if you acquired him now and allowed him to play for a year but with the prospects the Rockies are looking for, it would be careless to get him without an extension. I know the guys at Nomass love him but I think its a mistake to trade for him. They may need to just wait and hope he becomes a free agent to make a proper evaluation but that probably wont happen.

  • pat

    how the hell can u challenge a penalty i missed that

  • Mike Pop

    I wouldnt make a trade for Holliday at all

  • Ivan

    Lewis you dumb ass.

  • pat

    ny giants love jumping people

  • Reggie C.

    Too many frackin Field Goals are not gonna keep the Eagles away … C’mon G-men!!! Hold ’em down!!

  • pat

    we need a nice 5 or 6 minute drive to chew some time off the clock then get some points on the board.

    • pat

      damn i missed something howd we get on the 15

      • Manimal

        nice punt return by hixon for a TD but a holding on the play, it was a really gay call but whatever.

        • pat

          ahh thanks. im switching between this and madden and missed it.

  • Manimal

    wow, so many challenges this game.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Two challenges on consecutive plays by the Iggles.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Aaaaaaand they lost them both.

        • Manimal

          giants won all 3.

        • A.D.

          first one was just stupid

      • Reggie C.

        This game is too frackin’ close!

        • Ivan

          word.

  • A.D.

    I had pretty much dismissed the possibility of Abreu coming back… but I guess he could

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Two years … MAX.

      • A.D.

        2 yr deal would give some insurance leverage against negotiating with Nady next year, but at the same token, he could digress, not get picks, and not be incredibly productive.

        Probably comes down to Tex, he signs, by by abreu

      • Old Ranger

        Bobby…bye, bye. Not even one year, his defence will cancel out his declining bat. 27/09.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Yes, two years max for Bobby.

        But, I’d still rather do 4/100 of Manny than 2/32 of Bobby.

  • Ivan

    Iight lets go Eagles.

  • pat

    this is no no no good

  • Ivan

    whew that was close.

  • Ivan

    okay lets go.

  • Ivan

    wow they ran twice without throwing the ball with McNabb. Play to your personel. Fuck yo.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Terrible play calling on both 3rd & 4th downs.

      • Ivan

        If they had a backlike Jacobs then maybe but they don’t.

  • Ivan

    Tough Loss.

  • pat

    One of my favorite things about baseball is you can’t run out he clock. You gotta fully beat your opponent

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  • villapalomares

    Has anyone considered Juan Miranda’s splits and a platoon at 1st? In 237 at bats at Scranton, he hit .329/.438/.532 against righties. He also walked more than he struck out against righties. He was worse than worthless against LHP, but anyone who can slug .532 in AAA against righties deserves a chance. Then all you need is a right handed platoon hitter to go with him.

    • Old Ranger

      I’d go for that…if we don’t get Tex. 27/09.

  • Joseph M

    The Yankees have to avoid at all costs the temptation to bring Abreu back. He’s too old. It’s that simple. The team has too many older position players. With Bobby the team on any given day would send out no fewer than 4 position players north of 35 by the beginning of June. Depending on what happens in center it could be as many as 5 on any given day! AROD will be 34 in July to add to the mix. Teams with this much age never go anywhere, either they breakdown during the season on they wear down during the post season.

    As the older players come up for renewal they have to go.

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