With Tex, Scott Boras is at it again

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Over the years, Scott Boras has done a stellar job getting more money for his clients by alleging that some other, unnamed team has already offered a lofty deal to the said client. In 2000, by most accounts, this tactic earned A-Rod an additional $25-$50 million from the Rangers. Well, he’s at it again with Mark Teixeira. As Bill Shaikin reported in the L.A. Times, Scott Boras is going around saying that “we’ve received a number of offers” for Teixeira. He doesn’t name the teams, and while teams have expressed interest, no rumored offers have emerged. Maybe Boras has these offers, but it’s more likely just a negotiating tactic. He has to get the Sabathia-less (for now) Yankees to the table somehow.

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  • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

    I think the world at large and even some of these GM and owner types are on to Boras.

    This whole tactic did not work well for Damon or Beltran. I think it kind of did again for Alex the Purple Lipped Princess (worked twice).

    If you are buying a commodity you have to know going in what the true value to you is and what the approx market value will be. Bidding like your trying to win something on ebay is just plain dumb. I doubt too many teams bid against themselves in this market possibly with the exception of the Yankees with CC.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      27 year old Beltran got 7/119, and 32 year old Damon got 4/52. I’d say Boras’s tactics worked damn well for both of those two clients.

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        The point was he tried to get people to bid against themselves and they did not. Again useless info. I do not care what money they got or how old they were at the time. The point was no team bid against themselves like he was able to do with A-Rod (two times) and several other players in the last ten years. That was it, nothing crazy just a simple point.

    • radnom

      Not to mention, how exactly did it work the second time for Arod?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Well, ARod opted out of his deal and got more years, more dollars, and a higher AAV, so I’d say that worked as well.

        • radnom

          Eh….I think he probably could have gotten more had he not opted out and lost the Texas Ranger’s money.

          But I was refering specifically to the tactic being discussed. No one was buying Boras’s line that there were other teams involved with Arod at 30 mil a year….it took Arod to come to the Yankees and tell them he would accept a deal that took into account that they remaining money owed from the Rangers was no longer on the table.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            And yet, even with all that transpiring, he still walked away at the end of the day with more years, more money, and a higher AAV. For all we know, all of it was Boras’s idea, and he could have easily have volunteered to take the public “bad guy” image, allowing his client to opt out and get more money while taking less of a personal PR hit.

            • radnom

              Yes and for all we know as well the Jews orchastrated 9-11 in order to establish a New World Order.

              It isn’t like the Yankees were not willing to re-negotiate a contract extension. He still would have gotten all of the above things had he not jumped the gun and opted out.
              Or do you think that the Yankees honestly beleived they were bidding against anyone but themelves when they resigned Alex last offseason? Arod/Boras would have had the exact same (lack of) leverage had they only been threatening to opt out, the only difference would have been the Texas money.

  • Matt

    I still can’t believe when Beltran came back to the Yanks and was willing to take less, the Yanks turned it down…

    On to Tex, he may have offers, but a 2 year 40 million dollar offer from the Nats isn’t a ‘real’ offer…

    But in the end Tex…and Boras…will get paid, handsomely at that…

  • Jay CT

    I just wanted others thoughts on this. I realize that CC is better then Lackey, but do you think the Angels would really give all that money to CC and then have to negotiate with Lackey? He is a free agent next season. I feel like its a big smoke screen to get Teixera

    • Steve S

      Possibly but the Angels and Moreno approach free agency in a very odd way. They did get a great discount on Guerrero and they werent anywhere on the map for that one. They paid for Bartolo but they wanted nothing to do with Beltran but managed to spend recklessly on Gary Matthews and Tori Hunter in the last two years.

      I think they realize they want Texiera, but they know it may be prolonged. Also it sounds like CC may be willing to give them a discount. If they can get CC at below market value which is ultimately what the Yankees offered, then I dont think this a pure smoke screen, especially when Texiera has shown no preference on where he wants to play and is willing to wait out the highest bidder.

      • Jay CT

        True. I agree with what you are saying. But I do think its a risky road to go down giving that much to an “outsider” like CC as good as he may be. Lacky has been no slouch in the past few years, and outside of the first two months this season (I think) has been a staple of good health. I would even say that I would trust Lackey over a 6 year deal more then Sabathia, although I think both would hold up. Its just a difficult sell to tell your staff ace who is making 9 million (again, I think) that we are signing a 24 million a year guy, and next year we won’t be offering the same to you. This is the same reason I didn’t think the Sox would sign Santana (if given the shot) or Sabathia because they would need to pay Beckett when hes free also. I don’t know, I just think its a thought that hasn’t been mentioned.

  • Axl

    Well what he does is he signs bad overrated players to high contracts…and then he plays his new guys against the terrible ones he cheated other teams out of. “Well Barry Zito is making hundreds of millions of dollars and this current client of mine has infinitely better numbers than him…he should get 200 million!” And so it goes…

    Eventually there has to be a ceiling. People are just going to refuse to pay certain amounts… We’re already seeing the older expensive guys fading away earlier than normal (Nomar, Thomas, Griffey, etc). Eventually the more lucrative deals will come back down to normal hopefully…

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      In addition to the “bad, overrated” players, Boras has plenty of good, excellent players. And he makes money for all of them.

      • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

        I think you mean “gets” them money not “makes”. or perhaps you have a pie chart that would show otherwise. Hurry up and get your google search on. Your posts are nothing without those nifty google searches.

        • FL Yank

          Good Mo you don’t know when to stop do you? You got owned in a discussion by people who actually did research to back up their points while you just spouted off nonsensical crap. Give it a rest already.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Urge to kill… rising…

          • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

            Sorry I am a human being I can not be “owned” in 2008. Racist term using fairy.

            LOL at needing to do research to be able to tell who was a better ballplayer between two guys I saw player their whole entire careers.

            Next somebody is going to tell me that Nolan Ryan was a better pitcher than Steve Carlton.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              LOL at needing to do research to be able to tell who was a better ballplayer between two guys I saw player their whole entire careers.

              You do. Because you’re wrong. Don’t be mad about it. Eyewitness testimony is often wrong, the brain’s memory pathways are not foolproof.

              OH NO, EVIL EVIL STATISTICS AND SCIENCE!!!!!! DON’T LISTEN TO HIM, BRAIN, HE’S TALKING DEVIL TALK!!!!

            • FL Yank
        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          I think you mean “gets” them money not “makes”. or perhaps you have a pie chart that would show otherwise.

          Here’s the pie chart you requested:

          http://www.usablemarkets.com/images/pie_pacman_chart.png

  • christopher

    if there is anh turht to these rumors about the angels, CC,and maybe the yankees that the reported deal from the angles are 7 years $149 – the the yanhks have to at least offer 6 years at 159. if CC is content on 7 years than the yanks need to go to 7/120

    they are not playing with boras. there only problem in lackey and his FA next year but he is not the pitcher CC is.

    bottom line, if the yankees wasnt to put together a WS team the nexy few years they need this guy and if giving him the extra lute than fall back on sheets as the number, Pettite, and a 5th starter type or hughes

    Angels get sabathia anf it will be a tough team next year

    • Axl

      7 years and 120 won’t cut it for the Yankees…maybe a West Coast team…

      And the Angels have always had good pitching…their hitting and on base percentage was what hurts them in the playoffs. The reason they’re only successful against the Yankees in the playoffs is because our pitching was never that good…so their slap-happy approach at the plate could still do damage. Against teams with good pitching…their impatient routines don’t work out as well.

      Getting Sabathia does make them better…but it doesn’t improve their weakness. It just improves their strength.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Is this a real rumor or made up? Can you provide a link? I can’t find anything about a 7 year, $149M deal.

    • steve (different one)

      how much could an extra lute cost? a couple hundred bucks?

    • Reggie C.

      Are you making up this stuff? Where does it say the Angels have offered that to CC?

  • christopher

    AND STAY AWAY FROMK TEX. he is a very good player demanding superstar mone. Signinging like this destroyed the dynasy – Sheff Giambi and aginging pitchers.

    a big reason why up the middle players are important is that they are more athletice. you can hide a bat at LF, RF, !B and even 3B in some situations is because they typically have less wear and tear meaning longer productivity.

    that being said CC is an exemption in my mind because if he gives you 5 good years out of 7 i am happy

    • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

      “AND STAY AWAY FROMK TEX. he is a very good player demanding superstar mone. Signinging like this destroyed the dynasy”

      Thats just silly. true those signings hurt the team in the long run, but how could you say that! they went to the World Series in 03 and were just 2 games from winning tha damn thing and in 04 were a good outing from tom gordan away from advancing to the series…
      Tex is A Damn good player who is a Hell of talent offense and defense. It would be irrational and stupid for the yanx not to make a push for him. a talent like his his age doesnt come available too often. and he will only help this yankee team fill one of there glaring holes.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      AND STAY AWAY FROMK [sic] TEX. he is a very good player demanding superstar mone[sic] . Signinging[sic] like this destroyed the dynasy[sic] – Sheff Giambi and aginging[sic] pitchers.

      No, what destroyed the dynasty was our pitching staff getting old and us not having anything left in the farm (because we’d been competing hard for titles for years) to replace those pitchers with. Giambi did not destroy the dynasty. He was an improvement over Tino. Sheff did not destroy the dynasty. He was an improvement over Raul Mondesi. Bad contracts did not destroy the dynasty, the window simply closed because the league adjusted and it’s impossible to be that good for a period longer than 5 years anyway…

      a big reason why up the middle players are important is that they are more athletice[sic].

      No, a reason up the middle players are important is because quality offense up the middle is a rarity. Most teams get quality offense from the corners; elite teams get quality offense from the corners AND quality offense from the defensive-centric “up the middle” positions as well.

      you can hide a bat at LF, RF, !B[sic] and even 3B in some situations is because they typically have less wear and tear meaning longer productivity.

      True. However, the fact that you can build a team with an poor-defending aging first baseman and still be successful does not mean you should rule out acquiring a plus-defensive young first baseman. You’re building your primary organizational philosophy around a fallback strategy. That’s silly.

      And the “longer productivity” argument is MORE reason we should sign Tex, as opposed to less… he’ll probably still be productive 8, 9, and 10 years from now, since he plays a position that ages well (and he’s still young right now)…

      • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

        Tommie, Why is that link attached to your name? Are one of those sprinters you? if not then why in the hell is that pic attached to your name?
        You may have addressed this , but I never seen it in any thread…..Explain please,

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona

          He’s a big Peter Norman fan.

          • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

            ok fair enough

          • Count Zero

            Good one. :-)

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Tommie Smith and John Carlos are two of my sports heroes. My handle (and the pic) is in reference to them.

          You may not recognize them in that picture, but you’ve no doubt seen this one:

          http://www.incident.net/users/reynald/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/tommie_smith_john_carlos.jpg

          • radnom

            ……………

            Why was that blocked by my work filter as “Nudiy”?

            • http://www.samiamsports.blogspot.com SAMIAMSPORTS

              Because underneath those cloths…..forget it..

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            See, that’s Peter Norman on the left thinking, “Awkward!”.

          • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

            Bet you never saw them in person you Pie Chart Pixie!

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              Bet you never saw them in person you Pie Chart Pixie!

              OH, NO, FUCKBALLS, I NEVER SAW THE 1968 OLYMPICS IN PERSON, SO I HAVE NO WAY OF POSSIBLY EVALUATING OR UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENED THERE!!!!!!!

              We all know historical records and critical analysis is evil and stupid and never works, so since I never watched Tommie Smith and John Carlos live, in person, with my own eyes, I can’t possibly fathom who they were or what they meant.

              Here’s some other things I don’t understand, since I’m only 31 years old:

              The Dewey-Truman presidential race of 1948
              World War I
              How the Panama Canal works
              Reconstruction
              The Peace of Westphalia
              Gravity
              The Mississippi River (What the fuck is that?!?!?! I can’t even wrap my mind around that concept!!!!)
              Electrons
              A computer keyboard
              The fertilization of an ovum by a sperm
              The letter J

              ————–

              Donnie, let me be direct: EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK YOU MAKE YOURSELF SOUND DUMBER. STOP AND RE-EVALUATE YOUR LIFE.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to personally go and close all the schools and colleges in the world, because these kids need to know that learning is pointless and stupid, because the only thing you can possibly understand is what you see with your own eyes. And if somebody else sees the same thing you do with there own eyes, fuck ’em, their probably an idiot who’s younger than you, and since your eyes are older, they’re right and that other asshole is just some young whippersnappin’ no-good-eye having asshole who isn’t as smart as you because they’re eyes aren’t old enough and they believe in stupid facts and bullshit, non-eye-centric analysis.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  I can’t believe I messed up “they’re” and “there” twice in that post. I’d say that I’m getting old and slipping, but clearly the problem is I’m not old enough.

                  This is a paradox.

            • FL Yank

              So you must not believe in gravity and wind then.

  • Old Ranger

    Tommie & Donnie, you gotta’ love um! They do liven up this blog, sometimes.
    Lighten up guys, we still have the right to our opinions…right or wrong. You guys are both creative, the rhetoric is very predictable and productive. 27/09.