Nov
14

Yanks back on the Padres’ radar

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Padres GM Kevin Towers doesn’t believe he can work out a deal between his team and the Cubs or Braves for Jake Peavy. So the Yankees and Angels may be next in line. Meanwhile, David Pinto believes the Yanks could land Peavy for Kei Igawa, Ian Kennedy and an outfielder. If that outfielder isn’t Austin Jackson, I don’t think that package would net them Peavy unless the Padres really wanted out of that contract. Either way, I’d rather just give up money to land CC Sabathia than prospects and spare parts for Peavy.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League

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  1. dudeyoyo says:

    Are you kidding?

    WHAT PROSPECTS? IGAWA?

    The OF would probably be Gardner or Melky.

  2. MS says:

    Let’s sign CC and land Peavy. I see Kennedy as a 3rd starter at best. Could we land Peavy with Igawa, Kennedy, and a couple minor league outfielders? I doubt it. However, this rotation sounds pretty good.
    CC
    Peavy
    Wang
    Moose or Petitte
    Hughes (Put Joba back in the pen)

  3. Jon says:

    As much as we all might love IPK or A-Jax, if the Yankees can get Peavy for those two and Igawa (though I’ll believe it when I see it), they have to do it.

    • Joseph P. says:

      Clearly. But think about it from the Padres perspective. Surely they can do better than that.

      • Count Zero says:

        Agreed — that would be pretty desperate on their part.

      • radnom says:

        Yes but I wouldn’t completely dismiss it if there are rumors (I dont know if this David Pinto guy is reliable, I’m just saying.)

        There seems to be a backlash to all the ridiculous trades proposed by some Yankee fans to immediately declare every potential trade as too optimistic.

        Looking back over the first Swisher thread, there was no shortage of people talking down about how the White Sox wouldn’t trade Swisher for Damon, it wouldn’t be enough for them. People were talking about including IPK and maybe that not being enough.

        Obviously the deal ended up being a huge steal, but I’m just saying people are tending to overcompensate and are ending up almost as detached from reality as the IPK+Melky = Stud people.

        I don’t think those three get Peavy though.

        • Ben K. says:

          Pinto’s not reporting a rumor; he’s just speculating. I don’t think that package gets Peavy unless the Yanks include at least Austin Jackson.

          • radnom says:

            Oh, I wasn’t referring to this instance in particular, just a general comment.

            And I thought everyone assumed that the outfeilder was Jackson.
            That would still be a steal.

        • jsbrendog says:

          lol so youre saying theres the ipk + melky = anyone we damn well please

          and the hughes +jackson = kyle lohse types

          haha i wonder which one i fall into..

          • radnom says:

            Exactly.

            Only the latter people have a bit more sense, and are rarely called out out of fear of sounding like the first group of people.

            Its just really really hard to guess how teams are evaluating talent from our position.

            • jsbrendog says:

              touche. it comes from over valuing our prospects and everyone elses players or the opposite. either way smeone is doing one or the other whether its us, scouts, gms, or whatever

              so reflecting on crazy kenny’s trade of swisher but also noting tower’s shrewdness when evaluating bullpen talent, is it possible to slide him some pieces we would think aren;’t worth anything but the padres gladly take that get us peavy? without giving up hughes or ajax?

              discuss.

  4. Baseballnation says:

    We all need to stop sippin on grandpa’s medicine…Sabathia is no lock to sign, reapeat NO lock to sign with the Yankees. If we have a window to swoop in and close this out with the Padres I think you have to kick that tire with your sturdiest pair of boots. Be aggressive and make them an offer they can refuse because Kennedy, Jackson, Igawa is something I think they can refuse. Hughes/Jackson and someone like Hacker and finish this off. And yes I can hear the Hughes fans screaming already, hell I’m one of the believers, but he very much like Jackson are no sure thing. You know what your getting in Peavey.

    • Joseph P. says:

      As we’ve discussed many times here, no, you don’t know what you’re getting with Peavy.

      Plus, Hughes has more upside than anyone that’s been offered to the Padres yet. I don’t see a reason to offer him.

  5. Ron says:

    “I’d rather just give up money to land CC Sabathia than prospects and spare parts for Peavy”

    Agreed. I’m tired of NL pitchers coming into the AL East and getting lit up. And to have to give up ANY prospects for that privilege, no thanks.

  6. nolan says:

    Just keep Hughes out of the deal and its a win for the yanks. What about Kennedy, Horne, Melky and Humberto Sanchez? Those are players we can afford to give up and we get an ace back.
    CC, Peavy, Pettite, Wang, Joba/Hughes is the best rotation in baseball.

    It also means the yanks can go after texiera or manny as well

    • Joseph P. says:

      If they trade for Peavy (still highly unlikely) and sign CC, I’d say there’s an under 10 percent chance they get Manny or Teixeira. Even the Yankees have payroll limits.

      • Steve S says:

        Actually, Peavy’s contract is extremely palatable. Even with the $22M extension he would average around $16M which is probably around what AJ Burnett would cost. on a five year deal. They could still easily add the one of the two offensive players.

        • jsbrendog says:

          he’ll make sure that you exercise that last option year at whatever million which i believe brings the total contract to 81 mill? fact check me?

          and who knows he might even dmeand an extension …….but, if you can get him without trading hughes then do it

          • Steve S says:

            yeah around $82 from what I understand which would make it around $16M per year. These stories of reworking the contract are a complete myth, guess what Peavy’s value goes down the tubes in that case. Perhaps they give him one year extra but even thats a stretch.

            And I dont think Peavy and Sabathia are mutually exclusive, I would hope Cashman would look at Peavy as the second tier starter in line with Burnett and Lowe when it comes to the budget.

      • nolan says:

        The yanks have around 75 million coming off the books. If they sign/trade for
        CC (23 million per year)
        Pettitte (10 million per year)
        Peavy (16 million per year)

        That only adds 49 million to the 2009 payroll…. They could easily add another 20 mil per year in Manny. They could sign manny for 20 and trade Matsui (15 per year) and end up only adding 5 million to replace their DH with a much better DH.

        • radnom says:

          1. If you get Manny at 20 a year its going to be at least 4 years…he completely ignored a 3 year $60 from LA.

          2. Who is going to take Matsui and pay his entire salary?

  7. Relaunch says:

    I highly doubt the Padres would take Igawa, IPSuk, and an outfielder not Jackson for their ace. If they would, sign me up and pull the trigger asap.

    • Steve says:

      Petco is the best pitchers park in the majors. I could see Igawa going and actually being effective…. The Yankees can send enough to get the deal done, and I imagine they will have to include an additional year for Peavy to waive the clause. Hughes won’t be part of the deal that lands Peavy.

  8. Bill says:

    Jackson, Kennedy, Belatances or McAllistor and Suttle seems mor ethan fair.

    Thats 3 of our top 10 and a big leage ready mid to back-end starter

  9. annonymous says:

    Just like we knew what we were getting when we traded for Jeff Weaver. New York is a different animal, no one is a sure thing

    • jsbrendog says:

      hahahahahaha the human temper tantrum on the mound….oh man i thought that trade was the BEST when it happened….damn shame too

  10. TurnTwo says:

    i thought about this before, in reference to the potential OF logjam if the Yanks do get Teixeira.

    why not move Nady along with Hughes, and IPK, and a bullpen guy, and cash, for Peavy?

    the Padres were trying to get Nady back before last season, so they obviously still like him.

    then you go Damon, Gardner, and Swisher in the OF, and get Tex at 1B?

    • pounder says:

      Good God ,NO!

    • jsbrendog says:

      hughes stays. he is only 22. if at 24-26 he hasnt progressed, he is still valuable to use as a part in a trade. his potential is too high to trade at this point.

      • TurnTwo says:

        if he brings Peavy, he can go.

        • jsbrendog says:

          no way. a guy who has made his name in petco and has a jerk em windup and has had a hsitory of minor elbow issues and injuries most years and is unproven in the al let alone the al east and who has not seemed to thrilled to play in ny to begin with and trade someone who is 22 and oculd be just as good with a fluid motion and has proven he can dominate (at times like against texas and the last start against the jays) the al……no dice.

          • TurnTwo says:

            Peavy is now what you hope Hughes can become at some point in his career, on the high side.

            and despite whatever issues you’re pointing out, you forget that Hughes has prob missed more time in the 2 years he’s pitched at the MLB level than Peavyin 4 or 5 or however many seasons he’s pitched in SD. not even close.

            you make that move.

    • Ron says:

      “why not move Nady along with Hughes, and IPK, and a bullpen guy, and cash, for Peavy?”

      Let me guess – you’re really Kenny Williams.

    • Brian says:

      Um… Nady is probably the best all-around outfielder on the Yankees right now…

      So, no, we won’t be trading him. Damon or Matsui could be moved if anyone would take them (they won’t).

  11. Mike A. says:

    It seems like the best they could do for Peavy is Yunel Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez, Charlie Morton plus another low-ceiling arm. If I’m the Pads though, the guy I’m demanding in a deal from the Braves is Tyler Flowers.

  12. Marty Puccio says:

    Lets get real. Peavy is an absolute stud, a Cy Young winner. I’d gladly offer a package of Hughes, Kennedy, Austin Jackson and a minor leaguer. Then we sign CC.

    • Steve S says:

      It has to be one or the other, I dont think they should go Hughes and Jackson but they should include one or the other. Padres have one disadvantage because there are good available arms through free agency. As opposed to last year, it was Carlos Silva.

  13. emac2 says:

    Gardner, Kennedy, Igawa, Bruney and Veras for Peavy

  14. Craig says:

    Peavy is a #3 pitcher in the AL……
    Stick to FA pitchers & keep the depth in the minors.

    • John NY says:

      Agreed. He plays in PetCo, Dodger Stadium, Giants Stadium and Arizona. Include the fact that he is pitching in the NL. That’s the best situation for a Pitcher to amp up his stats.

      Granted, I’m not bashing Peavy’s skills. He’s good. However, his stats will take a hit coming to the toughest division as well as the AL.

      The big problem is, no one knows how Peavy will transition to this environment. So Craig, I agree. #3 slot is warranted.

      • steve (different one) says:

        Agreed. He plays in PetCo, Dodger Stadium, Giants Stadium and Arizona.

        Arizona is a hitter’s park.

        and i noticed you left out Coors field, which according to some people on this site, turns Melky Cabrera into Albert Pujols.

        yes, Peavy would fare worse in the AL East, but let’s not go crazy. he isn’t relying on the cavernous depths of Petco field when he is striking people out left and right.

        he’s a stud. to call him a #3 starter is absurd.

        • A.D. says:

          on top of that San Fran is fairly neutral, very similar to Yankee Stadium

        • TurnTwo says:

          even if you want to say he’s a #3, though, i’m fine with that… he can be the #3 in my rotation any day of the week, especially when #’s 1 and 2 are Sabathia and Wang.

        • John NY says:

          Regardless if I left out Coors or if he strikes out people left and right. He will be facing better hitters in the AL East. I like Peavy but not to be the anchor of the Yank staff:

          CC
          CMW
          Peavy
          Pettite/Mussina
          Joba

          That’s tight.

          • steve (different one) says:

            sure, but just because a pitcher pitches in the third spot of a rotation doesn’t make them a #3 starter.

            we’re arguing semantics. i’ll let it go.

    • TurnTwo says:

      and thats all you need him to be, with CC and Wang in front of him… for the next 3 or 4 years, minimum.

      that has the making of a dynastical rotation.

    • Ben K. says:

      We’ve already gone over this. Based on his K rates, his K:BB numbers, and the way his stuff looks, Peavy’s a legitimate pitcher in any league. Enough with this “he’s a number three starter” argument. There’s just no basis in reality for it.

  15. A.D. says:

    There is no way the Pads trade Igawa, IPK, and a non-AJAX outfielder for Peavy, that would be a ridiculous desperate sell…when there doesn’t appear any reason for them to be desperate… with their division everyone is in it

  16. steve (different one) says:

    what do people think of this scenario:

    let’s say the Yankees were somehow able to get Peavy without including Cano or Hughes.

    would you then walk away from Sabathia and go all in for Teixeira and maybe Burnett??

    i’d consider it if the alternative was not signing Teixeira.

    Peavy, Wang, Joba, Pettitte, Hughes/Aceves. that ain’t bad.

    i know this isn’t going to be a popular idea, but i’m just brainstorming.

    • A.D. says:

      I makes sense, if nothing else getting Peavy will allow some extra leverage on CC, especially if some bidders fall off.

    • jsbrendog says:

      cano? whered that come from

    • RichYF says:

      Where’s SG when you need him?

      If the rotation is Peavy, Wang, Joba, Sabathia, Hughes/Aceves/Pettitte(?) with Swisher at 1b, is that better than Pea, W, J, Pet, H/A/??? with Teixeira at 1b?

      You basically have to figure that if Cash is “only” allowing one $150M+ contract, it’s either CC or Teix. I am included to go with CC because good pitching beats good hitting every day of the week. But a top four of Peavy, Wang, Joba, and Pettitte/Hughes for the playoffs sounds pretty nice too.

      I’d be happy with Peavy and either of the two. I’d faint if Cash got all three. I probably wouldn’t even watch baseball anymore. It’d be too much for me. Too much awesome that is.

    • yankee21 says:

      If I’m the Yankees and I’m counting on Peavy to be my #1, I’m in trouble. However, if I’m slotting him in to be my #2 or #3, I have a rotation that is as deep as any in the big leagues.

      So getting Peavy without giving up Cano or Hughes doesn’t impact my pursuit of CC. However for the other pitching suspects, it certainly would so I bid AJ, Lower and the others happy trails.

      If Tex would sign for 5 years at <120m, I wrap it up. If not, happy trails Tex.

  17. RichYF says:

    On an aside, I demand that one of the three of you guys becomes a “stat geek” and experiments with spreadsheets. I’ve said it before, but I’m ready to trade one of you (and a BTBNL (blogger to be named later)) for SG.

    I’m just teasing, you guys are still #1 in my book.

  18. Mark B says:

    Can someone shed some light why Austin Jackson is that untouchable in why we wouldn’t want to include him in the proposed deal above? Opportunities to acquire pitchers like Jake Peavy at such a young age don’t come around that often…..

    • steve (different one) says:

      who said he was untouchable?

    • Can someone shed some light why Austin Jackson is that untouchable in why we wouldn’t want to include him in the proposed deal above?

      A) There are concerns about Peavy’s effectiveness switching leagues, leaving his pitcher-friendly park, maintaining his health, and dealing with the big city. I’m not saying that Peavy is going to suck, far from it, just saying I’m not sure if he’s truly an “ace” here like he is there.

      B) Austin Jackson is virtually the only quality outfield prospect that we have, and losing him would leave our cupboard bare. Peavy, meanwhile, would only be further strengthening an area that’s already an area of strength. While Peavy is a great pitcher, in the long run, we may need Jackson more than we need Peavy. Again, not a lock, but a very distinct possibility.

      C) Peavy plays a position (SP) that, frankly, is more readily available on the market than the position Jackson plays (CF). Most of the good-to-great CF’s in the game are homegrown and teams tend not to part with them. Starting pitchers, meanwhile, do come free on the market more commonly, as their prices tend to be higher and more teams have more starters who price themselves out of reach. Every year, there’s a few Peavy/Sabathia/Santana/Burnett/ options that kick loose. Jackson, therefore, may be harder to acquire going forward than, say, another pitcher of Peavy’s quality

      D) There are several other SP options of equal or only slightly lesser caliber than Peavy on the market that require no prospect commitments. The same cannot be said of the CF market.

      I’m not saying that Jackson should, by default, be untouchable. But, given the circumstances, no, I wouldn’t give up Jackson to get Peavy, considering both the makeup of our current and future teams and the other options available.

  19. Mike Pop says:

    Igawa, Kennedy and even if that outfielder is A-Jax it just doesnt make sense for the Padres.. Igawa just makes no sense for the Pads unless we give him all the money.. Idk if this is really actually possible.. Kennedy and Ajax are a good start but Igawa I dont see it.. I just see it as such a rape lol.. But Cash does pull off stealth moves and I think we all realize that we never know what is going to happen and how GM’s evaluate talent or what their plans are..I don’t see how those 3 even make Towers wonder.. Igawa is just a bag of shit who’s owed in there terms ALOT of money.. Kennedy and Ajax are decent for them thought I guess.. So maybe it could go down but I just don’t see it

    • grinch says:

      Trades do not occur in the abstract. The PAdres will take the highest bid at the auction. As Keith Law has observed, the Padres are essentiallly offering Dan Haren with elbow problems. The Pads will get a top prospect, but he may not be above the low minors. For now, the Yanks should go no higher than IPK, Igawa, Gardner, Romine, and maybe a Coke thrown in there.

  20. Erik says:

    I have no doubt that Swisher is now the starting 1B for the Yankees in 2009.

    Bye, bye Tex.

    Here’s the thing…. The Yankees need more offense. A lineup without Giambi and Abreu needs more pop and protection, and as much as I like the (wait for it… wait for it!) GRITTY players like Nady and Swisher, they do not have the pop needed.

    Manny possibly, to DH? Then move Matsui or Nady in a deal?

    What is Man Ram worth? Three years, $66 million? Would he sign that deal?

    How about this idea……

    Trade Kennedy, Sanchez and Melky to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano.

    The Cubs are already reported to be shopping him. They hate the contract. It would effectively be a salry dump. The guy would give ANYTHING to be back in NYC. Loves it here.

    Why not start filling this team with people that want to play here, not just want a check from here.

    Imagine this:

    Damon LF
    Jeter SS
    Soriano RF
    ARod 3B
    Posada C
    Matsui DH
    Swisher 1B
    Cano 2B
    Gardner CF

    Whaddya think?

    I know Soriano strikes out a lot, but at $18M for the next 5 years? Still a producer with the bat and has a gun for an arm. (Albeit a small caliber, but I’d rather have him out there than Abreu or Nady)

  21. Ron says:

    If Cash wouldn’t trade the farm for Santana, a Cy Young winner in the AMERICAN LEAGUE, why would he trade the farm for Peavy?

    Answer for the slow learners: He wouldn’t.

    • steve (different one) says:

      and for the slow learners who apparently can’t read: the entire premise of this post is that Peavy may NOT cost the farm anymore.

      do i believe that? not really.

      but that’s what is being discussed.

      i love when people set up strawmen to knock down.

      • Bo says:

        Did you believe they’d get Swisher for Betemit?

      • Ron says:

        “and for the slow learners who apparently can’t read: the entire premise of this post is that Peavy may NOT cost the farm anymore.”

        That may have been the premise, but if you read the “suggestions”, that’s not what it turned in to:

        “Jackson, Kennedy, Belatances or McAllistor and Suttle seems mor ethan fair”

        “why not move Nady along with Hughes, and IPK, and a bullpen guy, and cash, for Peavy?”

        “I’d gladly offer a package of Hughes, Kennedy, Austin Jackson and a minor leaguer”

        The last deal is widely believed what Smith was asking the Yankees for Santana, so my comment stands. No straw man here.

    • Steve S says:

      For the last time. Peavy and Santana are a different story. While not an endorsement here is the reasoning

      1) Your trading contracts: With Santana you were acquiring one year of Santana and exclusive negotiation rights to pay him market value. With Peavy you get four/five years of below market value for a pitcher of his caliber.

      2) Peavy is a full two years younger than Santana.

      3) The internal organization value of Hughes may have changed because his external value has descreased because it brought into question whether he is ready to be MLB pitcher now (not his talent overall but his ability to join a rotation now). And there is no doubt Austin Jackson’s value has increased from what it was last year.

  22. TurnTwo says:

    how about Jackson, Kennedy, McAllister and a 4th player?

  23. Bo says:

    I’d walk Jackson over if he was the guy the Psdres were drooling over. Especially if the other 2 were Igawa and IPK.

  24. Manimal says:

    How bout Igawa Hughes and Swisher?

  25. yankee21 says:

    There is no way Towers trades Peavy to NY under this Pinto scenario.

    I don’t care if the OF is Austin Jackson or the man in the moon.

    Writers with nothing else to write about write about nothing. Charecterize this type of scenario as nothing.

  26. Joseph M says:

    Igawa, Kennedy and Jackson is a no brainer from the Yanks end of the deal. I doubt the Padres would make such a deal even with Jackson. At this point Igawa may only be a triple AAA pitcher on his best days. Kennedy by himself would probably bring no more than a prospect and the Jackson upside may be that of a good major league player. The Yanks on the other hand are getting a front end of the rotation major league pitcher in the prime of his career.

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