Comments on: A Joba musing http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/ A New York Yankees Blog Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:31:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: booch http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244601 booch Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:56:34 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244601 I think the point here is moot since the Yanks realize along with every other person in baseball that he is more valuable as a starter. The only way this guy goes to the pen is if he is approaching whatever mythical limit the yanks put on him. Personally, I say just let him pitch every 5th day and let God take care of the rest. If he goes through the whole year unscathed then count your blessings and let it roll. I think the point here is moot since the Yanks realize along with every other person in baseball that he is more valuable as a starter. The only way this guy goes to the pen is if he is approaching whatever mythical limit the yanks put on him. Personally, I say just let him pitch every 5th day and let God take care of the rest. If he goes through the whole year unscathed then count your blessings and let it roll.

]]> By: the most felonious vocalist in the wide world of showbusiness http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244555 the most felonious vocalist in the wide world of showbusiness Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:28:56 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244555 Love the site. Unequivocal is like unique. It does not need a modifier. Sorry if I come off sounding like a jerk, that's just a pet peeve of mine. Keep up the great work. Love the site. Unequivocal is like unique. It does not need a modifier. Sorry if I come off sounding like a jerk, that’s just a pet peeve of mine. Keep up the great work.

]]> By: Steve S http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244451 Steve S Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:59:40 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244451 I just want one thing to stop in this debate. The premise that pitching out of the bullpen is somehow healthier for his arm than starting. Relievers hardly ever have extended periods of dominance. Why? Because its pretty well established that the strain on a shoulder and elbow when pitching on consecutive days throughout a season is greater than pitching every 5 days on a routine schedule and allowing the muscles to properly rest and heal. I know this debate came up with respect to Papelbon and the Red Sox were forced to keep him in the bullpen because their options were Joel Piniero and Mike Timlin. There are a lot more example of Eric gagne out there than Mariano Rivera. Everyone in the media portrays this innings limit as a safeguard for him because he is injury prone. Why cant people comprehend that the innings limit is there in order to prevent injury and help lengthen his careerer, and has nothing to do with the health of his arm, but rather what experience has told everyone. Most pitchers do damage to their arms when they are transitioning from amateur to pro and over extending themselves. I just want one thing to stop in this debate. The premise that pitching out of the bullpen is somehow healthier for his arm than starting. Relievers hardly ever have extended periods of dominance. Why? Because its pretty well established that the strain on a shoulder and elbow when pitching on consecutive days throughout a season is greater than pitching every 5 days on a routine schedule and allowing the muscles to properly rest and heal. I know this debate came up with respect to Papelbon and the Red Sox were forced to keep him in the bullpen because their options were Joel Piniero and Mike Timlin. There are a lot more example of Eric gagne out there than Mariano Rivera.

Everyone in the media portrays this innings limit as a safeguard for him because he is injury prone. Why cant people comprehend that the innings limit is there in order to prevent injury and help lengthen his careerer, and has nothing to do with the health of his arm, but rather what experience has told everyone. Most pitchers do damage to their arms when they are transitioning from amateur to pro and over extending themselves.

]]> By: Ed http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244418 Ed Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:21:19 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244418 Any good starter can be a good reliever. The bullpen is generally the domain of failed starters, as you can get by there with less pitches / stamina than you need in the rotation. Any good starter can be a good reliever. The bullpen is generally the domain of failed starters, as you can get by there with less pitches / stamina than you need in the rotation.

]]> By: steve (different one) http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244345 steve (different one) Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:17:45 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244345 love the handle love the handle

]]> By: Let's Talk About TEX Baby http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244331 Let's Talk About TEX Baby Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:57:48 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244331 There's really no debate between dominant setup man and dominant starter, or even pretty good starter. If Joba starts the next couple years and doesn't look that great, or if he keeps getting hurt, there's no reason why he can't still close when Mariano retires. It's just crazy to use this kind of talent in the 8th inning, especially without even seeing what he could be as a starter. It's also not fair to Joba to not at least give him a legit chance to be a starter. The best closer in the history of the game makes $15 mil a year. K-Rod, the 3rd or 4th best closer in the game just signed for $12 mil a year. Meanwhile, A.J. Burnett who is, to be fair around the 30th best starter will be getting $16.5 mil a year through age 36. For the good of the player and the team, this guy needs to start. There’s really no debate between dominant setup man and dominant starter, or even pretty good starter. If Joba starts the next couple years and doesn’t look that great, or if he keeps getting hurt, there’s no reason why he can’t still close when Mariano retires. It’s just crazy to use this kind of talent in the 8th inning, especially without even seeing what he could be as a starter.

It’s also not fair to Joba to not at least give him a legit chance to be a starter. The best closer in the history of the game makes $15 mil a year. K-Rod, the 3rd or 4th best closer in the game just signed for $12 mil a year. Meanwhile, A.J. Burnett who is, to be fair around the 30th best starter will be getting $16.5 mil a year through age 36. For the good of the player and the team, this guy needs to start.

]]> By: I Remember Celarino Sanchez http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244326 I Remember Celarino Sanchez Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:43:50 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244326 Ah, man. I hate agreeing with Francesa. It makes me wonder if I'm wrong. But I do think the ESPN on-air personalities should wear Red Sox jerseys, just so the network's true bias is out in the open. Ah, man. I hate agreeing with Francesa. It makes me wonder if I’m wrong.

But I do think the ESPN on-air personalities should wear Red Sox jerseys, just so the network’s true bias is out in the open.

]]> By: MattG http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244325 MattG Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:43:05 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244325 I just figured out that if you took Mariano Rivera, and let him pitch one time through the order, one time each series, that with a 1.1 WHIP he would pitch 54 games and 143 innings. Do it! Seriously, I would like to see someone do that in a Diamond Mind-type simulation, and see what happens. I just figured out that if you took Mariano Rivera, and let him pitch one time through the order, one time each series, that with a 1.1 WHIP he would pitch 54 games and 143 innings. Do it!

Seriously, I would like to see someone do that in a Diamond Mind-type simulation, and see what happens.

]]> By: Matt http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244319 Matt Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:25:33 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244319 Joba = starter And on a totally unrelated note, Francesa is bitching on air about ESPN being a joke. Pot? Kettle? Black? Joba = starter

And on a totally unrelated note, Francesa is bitching on air about ESPN being a joke. Pot? Kettle? Black?

]]> By: Reggie C. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/a-joba-musing-6457/#comment-244318 Reggie C. Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:23:01 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6457#comment-244318 "A-Rod could marry Madonna and bear three of her children and it would cease to be interesting compared to Manny." Ewww ... scary.. “A-Rod could marry Madonna and bear three of her children and it would cease to be interesting compared to Manny.”

Ewww … scary..

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