Dec
15

Andy for three years? Seriously?

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This came up in a thread earlier today, but like the good commenters you are most of you kept with the thread topic rather than responding. Now let’s have a go at it. SI’s Jon Heyman reports that Andy Pettitte‘s agents claim that he has an offer in hand for three years and $36 million. Upon first glance, this screams “leverage play.” Pettitte has made it clear that he wants to pitch for the Yankees or retire, and the Yankees have not budged from their $10 million offer. Andy doesn’t want to take a pay cut, so the two sides are at an apparent impasse.

Can anyone think of a team willing to add that kind of payroll? I’ve heard the Rangers, but word was they’d have to free up money to sign Ben Sheets, who would come at a similar average annual value. Others say the Dodgers. I’ve even heard someone suggest the Mets.

Here’s what I think, and I expect all of you to add your two cents in the comments. 1) If Andy did get this offer, I encourage him to take it. He won’t find anywhere near that deal elsewhere. 2) This is a bogus rumor.

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  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Jamie Moyer just re-upped for $8M per. Why should Andy get more than $10M?

  • 27 this year

    ha ha

  • 27 this year

    I wondering what he is waiting for. Obviously that GM has a hangover from Vegas.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

      I think this fictitious GM exists only in the Hendricks brothers head.

  • whozat

    “Here’s what I think, and I expect all of you to add your two cents in the comments. 1) If Andy did get this offer, I encourage him to take it. He won’t find anywhere near that deal elsewhere. 2) This is a bogus rumor.”

    Hells yeah.

    Call his his bluff. If he isn’t bluffing…ok. There’s no way it makes sense to add him for that duration. I fully expect the Yankees to develop some cost-controlled league-average pitching during that period, and he would just clog up the rotation. One year–I think he’s necessary. AJ will be on the DL, Joba has an innings cap…need someone to throw 200 reliable, if not stellar, innings. But after 2009, Joba should be good to go, Hughes and/or Kennedy should be capable of holding down a back-end slot at MINIMUM, and there will be other arms jockeying to be the first called up from AAA.

    • Old Ranger

      I’ll buy your whole synapsus, except; “One year–I think he’s necessary.” Maybe if you had said; “I think he would be usefull!” Because, as you so eloquintly stated, we may have some guys going down or on innings limits.
      What is a long contract worth to Andy? As stated by him many times, he wants to be home with the kids etc.,…so three years, I don’t see it. 27/09.

      • whozat

        “One year–I think he’s necessary.” Maybe if you had said; “I think he would be usefull!” Because, as you so eloquintly stated, we may have some guys going down or on innings limits.

        Well, I’m not saying they should give him 16 mil. We can quibble over the semantics of “necessary”, if you want.

        However, I don’t see another guy out there who’s a good bet to throw 200 league-average innings on a 1 year deal.

        • Old Ranger

          You are right. I meant to point out the need for him or any other pitcher. Don’t you think we could get by without any more pitchers at all? Of course I am on the fence, with Andy, if we were to get anyone…get Andy, one year, retire as a Yankee. But, the question is…do we NEED him?
          I must admit, I may not be stating my delima properly…ain’t got no leanings.
          On your last paragraph…absolutely right. 27/09.

          • whozat

            “Don’t you think we could get by without any more pitchers at all?”

            Sure, it’s possible. If Burnett, Wang and CC make all their starts, then Hughes or Aceves start the season in the rotation and it’s probably OK. Someone else has to come up to fill in for Joba, so we spend a part of the season with

            CC
            Burnett
            Wang
            Hughes
            Kennedy/Aceves

            But…if someone (Burnett) goes down, and one of the kids is hurt or ineffective, all of a sudden we’re signing Ponson off the scrap heap again.

            Boo.

            I’d rather sign Pettitte for a year so that the kids are fighting to be the first injury replacement/Joba fill in. It’s highly likely that they’ll need at least two of the kids to play a role in 2009, even with Pettitte (or another one-year pitcher) on board.

            • Old Ranger

              Ok, I get your point…I hate it when I am wrong. I guess I’m to much of an optimist. Good points all the way around, thanks. 27/09.

  • Relaunch

    Heyman’s reporting this last month is going near Sherman levels. This is just nonsense he is typing.

    • pat

      well heyman did have the sabathia scoop so he might know a little somethin

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Sabathia scoop? No. Ken Davidoff and Kat O’Brien broke that Cashman was out in SF with CC, and Joel Sherman broke the deal.

        • pat

          all i heard on espn radio that morning was how heyman broke the story that he was gonna sign at like 4 am

          • pat

            That came out weird. The morning we heard he signed i was listening to mike and mike in the morning at like 7 and they said the heyman broke the story of the signing at like 430 or so. if you say differently i’ll beleive you because you were there but thats how it was presented on the radio here in Ny that morning.

            • pat

              unless i’m messing up the names but i’m almost positive it was he.

              • pat

                EffinG A it was sherman i’m an ass. my apologies joe

                • Steve H

                  That might set the record for most times responding to one’s own post.

                • pat

                  Also most idiocy displayed in one post

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Maybe a Japanese team offered him that deal…

  • pounder

    Milwaukee ????Atlanta ????? He is a viable commody,just not for the Yanks.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      St. Louis?

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        If what Pettitte’s agents were saying was true, they would be by top choice.

        • pat

          Well if he signs somewhere else at least we’ll get some compensation picks

          • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

            If they offered him arb, they’d have him for more money than they want to pay him. It wasn’t happening.

  • Evan

    I saw someone guess it was an offer from a Japanese team. That would make the most sense as he would at least be a draw in Japan. Would Andy even want a 3 year deal after talking of retiring the last 3 years?

    • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

      Mike said it, but he was joking (I hope). Pettitte is all about seeing his family all the time, why would he play in Japan? That’s not so close to Houston.

  • Glen L

    Braves and Cards, I guess, make the most sense as both need starters…

    I feel this is obviously bogus though, considering a 2 year deal would be, by far, the best available offer … hmm, give that .. maybe its the nationals?

    My initial reaction was the Astros, but that can’t be right given what they’ve been doing this offseason

  • Ryan S.

    My guess is that this is totally bogus. I’ve been scouring the web and haven’t found anything except what Heyman said on SI and on the FAN. If this was legit, I’d make a totally wild guess and say its the Astros who made the offer, but again, it just makes no sense at all considering the current market.

    I thought Andy wanted to finish his career as a Yankee, but you CANNOT blame the guy if he takes a 3/36 deal from someone else instead of a 1/10 deal from us.

    I would much rather have Pettitte over Sheets, if only because you’d be able to pencil Hughes in for 2010 as opposed to 2011. Still, with AJ, Sheets, and Joba on the 5-man rotation, Hughes would no doubt be making a few cameos until we’re ready for him to stick around permanently.

    • Lanny

      Heyman is a reliable reporter and no newbie. You don’t think he investigated this a little since he is a NY based reporter???

      I understand being a lil cynical but come on

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

      Stros are trying to shed salary at any cost, not take it on.

  • Bob Michaels

    Let him go, look to sign Lowe or Sheets.

    • Bruno

      Phil Hughes says NO.

      • Phil Hughes

        NO!

        • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

          lol

    • DP

      If by Lowe or Sheets, you mean Sheets and not Lowe.

      • whozat

        Sheets, apparently, has worrying medicals. It’s too bad, I was on the Sheets train, but I think they determined that he was a worse health risk than Burnett — and you can’t have both in the same rotation, it’s just too much risk.

  • Old Ranger

    Honestly on the fence with this one. We don’t NEED him, it would be nice to have him for one year. Just because he has been an intricate part of the WS years, I would like him to help the team to another one…then retire as a Yankee. 27/09.

  • Bart

    The Yankees owe Andy respect and the opportunity to picth in the WS in the first year in the new stadium

    Andy owes the Yankees repsect and his “career numbers” — if he cares and if HoF can forgive his injured rehab HGH use — could well benefit from a few more solid seasons. 3 years at $10M a year would be good value IF HE WILL GO TO THE PEN to make room sometime in year 2 for one of the young guns- assuming the continued health of Sab, Wang, Bekett, Joba – allow only one opening –

    He would be a special LH in that circumstance, prolong Mo’s career by reducing his innings and prolong his own career.

    He has already demonstrated more than able spot use from the pen. If any of the fontliners get hurt in 20010- 2011 he can proabaly spot start without hurting himself or the club. he can retire as a Yankee.

    I do not see the cost as too much of a premium over a Marte

    I would not take Cameron’s salary even for AA chumps and Igawa if it meant there was no payroll for Teixeira. I would say the same for Andy — if we need the money for Tex — find a lower cost option

    • andrew

      “The Yankees owe Andy respect and the opportunity to picth in the WS in the first year in the new stadium”

      If the Yankees make the World Series, Pettitte would most likely not be in the rotation.

      “$10M a year would be good value IF HE WILL GO TO THE PEN”

      You want to pay Andy Pettitte $10M to pitch in the bullpen?? please.

  • Lanny

    Why would this shock anyone?

    He’s a proven, veteran lefty with mucho playoff experience who won 14 games in the AL East last yr on an average Yankee team. We live in a world where Gil Meche gets a 5 yr deal and Carlos Silva gets 4. We live in a world where Derek Lowe wants 5 yrs at 18 per.

    If I’m the Mets I go hard for him. Rather have him for 3 than Lowe for 5 or Wolf.

    • whozat

      Because he’s as old as he is, and Lowe’s put up much better numbers — and has a better track record. Not that Lowe should get his 5/90, but in the market that’s shaping up, I don’t know that 36/37 year old pitchers are going to get 3+ year deals unless they were putting up excellent numbers and avoiding the DL with alacrity — like Lowe has been, albeit in the NL West.

  • r.w.g.

    the team cannot give andy 3 years. the league tests for performance enhancing drugs now.

    if this deal is real and it exists, pettitte should sign it yesterday.

  • Will in Chicago

    Here is what the Cash man should do. Put some escalators in the contract so that Andy would have the possibility of making the $16MM he wants to make, if they really don’t want to go that high, put in a vesting option that kicks in if Andy gets 15 wins.

    Listen, we need him. I love the Burnett signing, but there is a substantial risk that he won’t pitch anywhere near 200 innings. Andy, if anything, is good for 30+ starts with 6-7 innings per start. Lets get him signed, lets have him start the first game at the new stadium, and lets treat the next outgoing Yankee legend with a little respect (as opposed to the (mis)treatment of good old Bernie Williams).

    • VO

      risk with that is if he takes it as an insult like joe did

      • headstand

        Dang true…

    • r.w.g.

      Incentives and bonuses that are related to “performance” can’t be strictly tied to performance.. if that makes sense? they changed it after the Curt Schilling contract.

      it basically means.. you can’t receive your bonus based on wins, or losses, or RBIs.. even A-Rod’s deal with the home runs is worded complexly to avoid being strictly for hitting the actual home runs.

      so any incentives would have to be based on starts or innings pitched, or something to that affect.

    • 27 this year

      problem is, you don’t want those escalators to be like what they did to Torre.

    • Old Ranger

      Lets get him signed, lets have him start the first game at the new stadium, and lets treat the next outgoing Yankee legend with a little respect (as opposed to the (mis)treatment of good old Bernie Williams).

      ———————————–
      What mistreatment of Bernie? He was given a contract to play one (or was it 2) more year. Even after he had shown signs of slowing down, he had one good year and thought he was still as good as years gone by…news flash, he wasn’t.
      He wanted another contract, Yanks said come to ST and show us you deserve it…Opss, no show!
      Where is the mistreatment? Besides, being harsh about the thing…he was paid very very well to do a job. When he could no longer do it well enough, he was asked to prove he could still do it…he chose not to try. What is wrong with that? Don’t you have to prove yourself at work? I know damn well I had to, for a very long time. 27/09.

    • Alan

      Pettitte getting the home opener over CC? Haha. That’s rich.

      • pat

        If cc starts the exhibition game vs chicago in the new stadium and they pitch him and the #2 on regular rest, the 4th spot in the rotation would be up when the actual home opener comes around.

  • headstand

    I say offer him 10 for a year with 4 million for getting at least 3rd place in cy young voting and be done with this mess.

    • VO

      theres no way he will except that because he isnt going to be close to 3rd place in cy young voting

      • headstand

        then he shouldent be wanting 16 million in the first place.

        • VO

          well earlier in the off season didnt he say he doesnt mind taking a pay cut? i think this is just from his agent and andy will sign with us, i think 10 million is a little low maybe 12 million is reasonable, and if his agents decide to argue that they can explain how our ace last year mike mussina only made 11 something

          • headstand

            Agreed. I believe Andy wouldent mind the paycut and that Hendricks is doing a little tweaking. 10 may seem low but everyone aside from this 3 year ridiculousness rates him at 8 per. 12 is fine, i just think 16 is excessive. Its only a 4 million difference but every million above 12 just seems to feel like 100.

  • Mike W.

    Call his agents, tell them that we see through the blatant attempt at scaring us, and lower our offer to 1 year at 7 million dollars.

    • VO

      they say hell no call up the redsox and the press confrence is the next day

      • headstand

        Then his reputation will be further ruined.

  • Mike

    Have ya’ll seen Tom Verducci’s commentary on the Yanks? How come so many sports writers don’t get it that this is not a change in philosophy?

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ml?eref=T1

    • whozat

      Yeah, I’m pretty sure it got torn apart on friday, when it was written.

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Bye bye Andy. He doesn’t belong anywhere near here with 3/36.

  • Manimal

    8 Mil or good riddance.

  • headstand

    One executive told Rosenthal Bobby Abreu seeks a three-year, $48MM deal.

    via MLB Trade Rumors.

    … ehee… ahaa… hahahahaaaa (slaps knee) hahaha

    • VO
    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      One executive told Rosenthal Bobby Abreu seeks a three-year, $48MM deal.

      Obviously, it’s because Bobby’s “got a good arm” so he’s “not that bad defensively”.

  • Hdog81

    I’d rather have sheets for 2 years, you have insurance if he gets hurt in Hughes Kennedy and the mexican gangsta, I think sheets is the still of this free agency class.

  • TONY

    If Andy doesn’t sign then I think we should sign Pavano for 1year – maybe a minor league deal. This way we will at least get something for our 4 yr investment. His injury problems are probally behind him & he does have talent.

    Any thoughts?

    Tony

    • VO

      yes, lmao does it matter if ‘his injury problems are probally behind him’ he played us like a fiddle for a few years giving him all that money for nothing, no way i would sign him unless the contract made him pitch at least 200 major league innings with a sub 2 era and 150 strike outs, if he doesnt compltete at least 2 of those things he doesnt get his 1 million salary

      • Lanny

        Pavano?

        Seriously?

        Oy vey

  • 65hughes

    i could see the braves offering him that because they need one more pitcher

    • TONY

      Probally but do you think the Yanks should?

      • 65hughes

        no I would rather sign sheets, give hughes the spot or trade for peavy

        • TONY

          The only thing that bothers me with hughes is having 2 young starters in the same year. After Joba is in the rotation for a year then I think we can turn over the 5th spot to hughes or another young starter.

          I like to have the 5th spot to groom our young starters.

          • 65hughes

            then sign sheets or peavy?

            • Steve H

              he’s baaaack

              • 65hughes

                what? you missed me

            • Tony S

              I would lean towards sheets – I feel Peavy will crumble undr the NY pressure

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Mike, Ben, or Joe: Is it me, or did you guys add “says” after every name when posting comments?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10twK4BZoc Kevin G.

      It’s been there. Unless I was hallucinating.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Yeah, that’s been there since Day One.

  • Ivan

    Well Good luck Andy.

  • Januz

    I can’t believe this post from http://www.mlbtraderumors.com: “One executive told Rosenthal Bobby Abreu seeks a three-year, $48MM deal”. Abreu and Pettitte must be smoking something (Maybe Andy needs to be tested for pot along with steroids?). These guys must be high, if they think they are getting 3 year contracts for what they are asking for.

    • TONY

      It doesnt hurt to ask

      • Ivan

        Yeah. It doesn’t hurt asking Alicia Keys hey, lets fuck but I think it might not happen.

        • Lanny

          Since you arent a female I dont think it will matter with Miss Keys

    • Manimal

      I dont see too much wrong with the abreu deal, 16 per year may be stretching it a little but he is extremely consistant and could last 3 years. Pettite is just a joke at 3/36.

      • whozat

        Bobby is already best suited as a DH. And his bat has been slowing and slowing. He’s about ready to fall off a cliff, I think.

  • Chris

    If we don’t sign Andy (or another FA pitcher) then we basically go into the season in the same situation as last year. We’ll have 3 established pitchers, and the last 2 spots held down by some combination of Joba, Phil and IPK.

    • VO

      no way are we close to the situation we had last year, this year we have CC,AJ,Wang,(all guarenteed to do pretty well) then we have joba (we know he is going to well we just dont know how much can he pitch) and we have the 5th spot open

      last year we had Wang,(guarenteed to do pretty well), pettite (gaurenteed to eat a chunk of innings) mussina (just mop up duty so we thought) and then the 4th and 5th open

      this year we have 1 person we dont know much about, last year 3

      • Lanny

        Who last yr was as good as CC and AJ? Wang and Joba as 3-4 is pretty nice too.

        • VO

          yea considering wang was our ace the past few years

      • whozat

        “last year we had Wang,(guarenteed to do pretty well), pettite (gaurenteed to eat a chunk of innings) mussina (just mop up duty so we thought) and then the 4th and 5th open”

        Aaaaand it turned out that injuries screwed us. So…tell me how, by adding AJ Burnett and replacing Pettitte (guaranteed to eat innings) with CC (also eats innings, albeit at a higher level) we have made ourselves proof against injuries biting us again?

        • VO

          im not saying we injury proof im saying our situtation GOING into the season is better

        • Chris

          Exactly. My point is that a freak injury to one of our big three (I predict AJ) and some struggles by the young guys and we’re looking at Ponson making a bunch of starts.

          • VO

            well yea your right but you cant really predict injuries before they happen even if we are talking about aj

  • Manimal

    Thursday is scheduled to be CC/AJ’s press conference.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I thought CC was Wednesday?

  • Ivan

    I was wondering, if the Sox sign Tex, where does it leave Lars Anderson then?

    Would the Sox trade him for a catcher?

    • Lanny

      The Sox pursuit of Tex is kinda baffling. They have a GG 1b in Youk. They have a player at 3b who is a WS MVP and as solid as they come and on a long term deal. They have a fulltime DH who is their go to guy. And their best prospect is a 1b.

      • Ivan

        My only explanation is that the Sox might think Lowell is aging faster and is injury prone and Ortiz is on the downside of his career or Lars Anderson is not ready and thus needing an extra bat with huge impact.

        • Tony S

          Who is lars anderson – do you mean the player from the angels?

          • pat

            sox top prospect

      • whozat

        “They have a player at 3b who is a WS MVP and as solid as they come and on a long term deal.”

        He’s not as “solid as they come”

        in the last three seasons, he’s had one awful year, one good year, and one injury-marred season that ended in hip surgery.

  • scottnar

    I would go as high as 12 for Andy and if he doesn’t take it I would be very comfortable giving the 5th spot to one of the kids. Our 1-4 is pretty solid so we can afford to be patient with the 5th spot.

  • Januz

    I am prepared to go into the season with Joba & Phil as starters 4 & 5, we can live with that. If someone whould actually give Abreu $48m for 3, or Pettitte $36 for 3, would Tex be worth $300m for 10? It might very well be. These people must be aliens from another planet, because they do not live in the real world of major recessions, unemployment, tax increases, cutbacks etc.
    I am tired of guys who do not appreciate what they have, and feel “Disrespected” over $10m. Poor baby Andy, if you go to Japan, I say Sayonara, and don’t let the plane door hit you on the way out.

  • http://yahoo jad

    When the Yankees needed someone to step up last year, one would have expected it to be Andy Pettitte at 16m per year. All he did was lose every game down the stretch when we needed him. We are doing him a huge favor offering him 10 m per just to be the 4th or 5th starter. I am a big fan of Andy’s but he is a phoney–bleeds Yankee blue when it suites him and pouts the rest of the time. We would have made the playoffs last year if Andy would have just done his job. The way I look at it, he ought to pitch for 6 million a year because that is all he is worth. Tell him he has 48 hours to make up his mind or the offer is off the table. End of Story–Let him go back to Texas with that other Texas A hole George Bush!!! Enough with treating hiim with kid gloves because he is such a good christian. He like others of his ilk is a, and I repeat, unaldulterated phoney!!!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      ANDY IS TEH TEXAS BUSH PHONEY WTF WE ARE LOOKING LIKE FOOLS CASSHMAN YOU ARE TEH SUX0R!!!!!!!!11!!1!!!1!1!1!!!!

  • Mike

    Teams that could be stupid or deperate enough…:
    Mets (ugh)
    Cards (I do not think they have more then 2 Starters who are not question marks, he fits in…)
    Dodgers (do they have any money)
    KC (enough money left)
    Boston (just to piss us off)
    Baltimore (idiots!)
    Washington (bigger idiots!!!)
    Tampa (see boston’s comments…)
    Houston (did not think they had any money?)
    Texas (the biggest idiots!!!!)
    Mil (payback?)

    Just to make us smile in the morning…

    :)

  • joeyD

    The Yanks have to stop giving contracts to players as rewards for what they’ve done in the past. It should be based on current (and future, if multi-year) value. 10M is a good offer based on his current value. If Andy wants more money than that he should seriously consider taking his services elsewhere as he has done in the past.