As Teixeira hunt narrows, Impacto Deportivo reports Yanks signing Manny

OT/DotF: Melky & Albie shining in winter ball
Joey on the spot

Update 1:22 a.m.: According to SportsCenter, Manny won’t be taking any offers until after Teixeira signs. That news could be in response to this leak and a sluggish market for Teixeira or it could be more reliable. Just keep it in mind as you read about the Impacto Deportivo report about Manny I highlight below.

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The Yankee news of the night doesn’t come from ESPN, FoxSports or Jon Heyman. Rather, it’s from a Spanish-language sports site based in the Dominican Republic.

According to Impacto Deportivo, the Yankees and Manny Ramirez are on the verge of a three-year, $75-million contract. The short report says that negotiations are advanced with an official announcement set to come on Monday or Tuesday. It also notes that Manny would have liked to stay in LA but that the Dodgers didn’t want to pay the steep price.

Tim Dierkes, at MLB Trade Rumors, reported this story about 40 minutes ago but did so with an eyebrow raised in skepticism. Impacto Deportivo has a mixed track record when it comes to breaking stories. They did, however, break the Damaso Marte signing earlier this winter.

I, like Tim, am a bit skeptical of this news. First, it’s the first we’ve heard of advanced negotiations between the Yanks and Manny’s camp. Considering how Scott Boras runs the exact opposite of a tight camp, news embargoed until the negotiations are at an advanced stage would be shocking. This may also just be a mistranslation of Mark Feinsand’s story of a Manny offer. Furthermore, the Mark Teixeira situation has not been resolved, and in fact, the Yanks could be emerging as prime players in that market.

To wit, the Angels have officially dropped out of the Teixeira bidding, and reports say that the Red Sox have not contacted Boras since Thursday. While ESPN, as you can see at right, clearly wants all Mark Teixeira to involve the Red Sox — how is Angels’ news not deserving of an Angels logo? — this latest development would increase the Yanks’ chances. Unless Teixeira absolutely wants the Nationals’ money, he may be fielding offers from the Yanks, Red Sox, Orioles and Nats. The field is that more wide open.

We’ll of course monitor as this new develops, but things may be coming to a head for the Yankees, Manny Ramirez and Mark Teixeira as Christmas looms. Who knows which one, if any, will be under the Steinbrenner tree. If tonight’s Impacto Deportivo story is to be believed, Manny it will be.

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OT/DotF: Melky & Albie shining in winter ball
Joey on the spot
  • Joey H

    I, um, don’t know what to say. I wonder if this was reached before or after the Halos dropped out of the Tex Race.

  • A.D.

    I hope this isn’t true, and I’d be skeptical of a Boras client signing without a public bidding war, and with it breaking by a foreign paper

    • Joey H

      Who was going to be bidding out of curiosity… ?

      • E-ROC

        Don’t think Dodgers have a standing offer? I don’t remember what the offer was. They are the only public bidder we know about.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          The Dodgers withdrew their offer a few weeks back and have yet to jump back into the fray.

        • Joey H

          Exactly. Manny clearly wasn’t taking their chump change offers.

          • Mike Pop

            Boras said after they offered it, that he would start taking serious offers for Manny in the next couple days. LoL

            • Joey H

              ScumbagEsque right?

              • Mike Pop

                Ya but kinda funny

            • A.D.

              and he’s still waiting for them

      • A.D.

        Dodgers, Angels, mystery team #1

  • josh

    what does the yanks line up look like with manny compared to tex – do you think with manny they would switch damon and jeter for the left right thing or bat cano or matsui up higher in the order – or just gor jet arod manny (r r r ). nice problems to have. – i would be shocked if this team didnt go all the way – barring a ton of serious injuries or every single question mark being answered with a negative.

    • Joey H

      That among many other things was the positive of getting Tex. The RRR problem instead of RSR. I am curious to see how this is done. If indeed these reports are true

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Jeter, A-Rod and Manny aren’t normal hitters, there’s no issue with R-R-R in the 2-3-4 spots.

      • Joey H

        It is against a right handed pitcher who isn’t considered normal like a Doc Halladay or a Josh Beckett.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Josh Beckett and Roy Halladay don’t belong in the same sentence together. At least, not until Josh Beckett has more than one good season.

          • Joey H

            Oh I know Beckett is way over rated. And had only 1 good year in essence. But lets not take it away from the issue at hand. A good righty is going to have a much easier time with the stacked Right Handed Hitters.

            • Mike Pop

              Question: Is Beckett better than CC ? Like us against them during regular season.. Is it a toss-up or does CC have a clear advantage or is he just slightly the better pitcher?

              • Joey H

                I don’t know but that would make a very interesting Sunday afternoon fox game with a sandwich and a pickle.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                CC’s avg ERA+ the last three years: 148.33
                Beckett’s: 118.33

                And CC’s thrown 107 more innings in that time. It’s not even close.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  Wow, how dare you neglect to mention that pitching to All-Star Jason Varitek increases a pitcher’s numbers by 200% across the board.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  My bad. I was under the impression that ERA+ was ‘Tek adjusted.

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

              I never knew stacking RHB’s was an issue; I thought it was an issue to stack LHB’s.

              • A.D.

                it is the lefties more, because there arent many righty specialists out there

      • josh

        mike i agree they are not normal and it will be nice not to have to worry about left handed pitching against us so much. i wonder if the yankees feel the same way about the right right right thing. i feel like torre was much more into that anyway. i would rather have tex but i guess we cant complain about manny and arod. i mean how much better is that than manny ortiz – i feel huge things for cano with manny in the lineup – maybe even the 3 hole

  • Mike Pop

    If this is true, I am one happy man.

    • Ari

      Until Manny’s weak D starts costing us games, until he refuses to play because of mysterious knee injuries, until his deranged persona tears apart the team.

      • Mike Pop

        I think your making it worse than it really is. He essentially replaces Bobby’s D in the outfield when he plays the outfield right ? He is better than Bobby right ? Plus he brings a better bat and protects A-Rod. This guy will not tear apart this team, he simply makes it better.

  • Ari

    Can somebody please agree to come whack me if the Yank’s sign Manny?!! Really, it would be that bad.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I can’t wait for the first time he’s standing on first because he watched a ball he thought was going out bounce off the wall, turning a stand-up double into a hurry up to get there single.

      • Ari

        Or how about Girardi’s head exploding when Manny is sitting on the bench with a “hurt” knee?

      • E-ROC

        I can’t wait for when Manny hits a walk-off homer against the RedSox and does his pose at the plate before rounding the bases! Priceless!

        • Mike Pop

          I cant wait for Manny to make A-Rod a better hitter than he is now. Which is the most incredible hitter I will ever see in my lifetime. I cant wait till we win some postseason series.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            I don’t really buy into that. A-Rod had one of the best offensive seasons anyone will ever see in 2007, and the guy who batted fifth behind him most of the year was Hideki Matsui with a bad year.

            • Mike Pop

              What about for the postseason ?

              • leo

                They have to get into the postseason first.

                • Mike Pop

                  With Manny, AJ, and CC, I feel good about our chances.

                • Jay CT

                  I can’t wait until Santa comes. Oh, sorry… wrong topic

            • Stephen

              Yea, lineup protection is (mostly) a myth, but the Yankees lineup, as currently constituted < Yankees lineup with Manny. Three years is way too long for Manny, I would agree though.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I’m willing to bet that doesn’t happen once in the next three years if this report is true. The long single thing though, that’ll happen numerous times.

          • Mike Pop

            Mike, just imagining this combo together is amazing. Look what Manny did for Ortiz and Ethier. A-Rod is 10 times the hitter that either of those guys are. The possibilities are endless.Haha

            • leo

              Ethier’s numbers were pretty consistent for the whole year except for a dismal June and a crazy September. So what did Manny do for him? Especially since he only hit behind him for 16 or so games?

              • leo

                Argh I hit post comment too soon–protection is largely an overrated thing. I don’t know what you think Manny did for Ortiz, but Ortiz was a really good hitter. Nobody avoided pitching to Manny to pitch to him (except Mike Mussina once or twice), I mean why would you?

                • Mike Pop

                  Your really saying Manny didnt do anything for Ortiz ? You should of left your comment as is then.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  I don’t think Manny Ramirez did as much for David Ortiz as people are making it out to be; however, I do think that people are vastly underrating the declining of Ortiz, and attributing it to the loss of Ramirez and the recovery of his injured wrist.

                • Mike Pop

                  So you think Ortiz “found himself”. I look at the numbers and say wow. Either Ortiz was juicing or Manny helps out the hitters in front of him alot. He was not anything special in Minny but then he jsut started to put up numbers and I think Manny contributed to that. We will find out more this coming year won’t we.

                • Chip

                  You’re crazy if you think Ortiz wasn’t a very good hitter in Minnesota. I would say that Fenway was more of a help to Ortiz than Manny ever was. His career BABIP at home (I’m too lazy to do just the Fenway park ones) is .334 while away it’s .272

                • Mike Pop

                  I dont think it is crazy to say that Ortiz was nowhere near the hitter in Minny that he was in Boston. Sure Fenway helped but so did Manny. We shall see this year how Papi does with Bay or Youk hitting behind him. We will find out how he is when he is healthy without Manny.

                • Jay CT

                  Mike is 100% right. Although lineup protection is overrated, Manny did wonders for Ortiz. There is a reason Ortiz was the only one to vote to keep Manny. Manny hitting behind ARod would help ARod

                  You can ask any physical therapist, when a player tears a muscle clean off the bone (like Kapler trotting round second on his home run, or Nomar tearing his groin) it is a sign that the muscle is stronger then the ligaments holding the muscle. This is done through the use of steroids. There is no question Ortiz was using some sort of PED in my mind.

              • Mike Pop

                Crazy September–Has to do with Manny, no ? Plus when they first got Manny Ethier hit like 500 through his first 50 AB’s or so.

                Manny made Ethier hit alot better than he would of without Manny. There is not question about it.

          • E-ROC

            Naw. Manny will catch a fly ball near the wall, high five a fan, and throw a runner at the plate!

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Okay, I’d admit it: that was awesome.

            • Ari

              Manny could make the offense a force, or he could lock up his contract, hit like crazy for a few months and then decide he isn’t having fun anymore once the pressure starts to mount down the stretch. Then all of a sudden his knees will start hurting him and he won’t be able to play anymore. Meanwhile the clubhouse turns into a circus, Girardi has at least four strokes, all semblance of class and dynastic glory are wiped away, and Arod still won’t hit in the postseason unless he works out his own mental problems. Arod’s problems in the postseason are all in his head, not on the field. Manny isn’t going to do anything to change that.

              • Mike Pop

                Saying pressure is a problem is completely wrong. This dude thrives under pressure, something our team can lack at certain points of the season.

                • Ari

                  Are you talking about Manny? Cause he’s on record saying how much he hated the Boston-NY rivalry and the constant pressure to win. He just wanted to have fun playing ball (and rake in the cash).

                • Mike Pop

                  But somehow he thrived in the spotlight and mashed when it mattered the most.

                • headstand

                  Ramirez has said himself this offseason that he would love to sign for the Yankees and bash the Red Sox. Doesn’t sound like someone that hates the rivalry. And don’t ask me for the source I am half awake with one sock on here. Google it up.

        • Rich M

          Then go into the clubhouse and slap around the traveling secretary for not getting him extra tickets to the game.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        I can’t wait till he posts yet another season of a .400 wOBP or more (actually, since the ’95 season, Ramirez has posted only one season of a wOBP under .400 (2007)) to render his “hot dogging” even more irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

  • Mike Pop

    Pablo, where are you? You can decifer this spanish message for us.

    • Stephen

      I can do it.
      It says:
      Breaking News; Manny Ramirez; Three years and 75 million with the Yankees.

      The domincan Manny Ramirez is about to sign a contract for 3 years and $75 million with the New York Yankees, according to Impacto Deportivo, which was entrusted with this on SUnday,

      THe Negotiations are well advanced and the announcement will be made Monday or Tuesday.

      Manny wanted to continue with the DOdgers, but they didn’t want to foot the bill.

      Ramirez, who batted .332 with 37 hrs and 121 rbis between Boston and LA, will be an attraction in New York.

      • Mike Pop

        Gracias

        • Stephen

          De nada.

          Also, under the headline on the ID homepage it says:
          “It’s almost done/finished”

          • Mike Pop

            I hope it is.

  • http://headshotsonly.wordpress.com The Third Yip-Yip

    Doubt the Yanks would hand him three years guaranteed with only one other legit suitor.

    • Ari

      The only way this could be a good thing is if the deal is one year with two options, cause you know Manny will only keep playing hard if there’s a serious carrot in front of him.

    • A.D.

      or spend 25 per with no other suitors

      • Joey H

        Great point.

  • Ricochet

    It’s BS, IMO. Either 100% fabricated by the media or a Boras ploy either way it’s garbage.

    • Peter Lacock

      Thank you! I can’t believe how gullible people are.
      Newsflash: All Manny stories involving the Yanks are fiction.
      Everyone is playing fantasy ball with the Yanks lineup.
      PT Barnum was 100% correct.

  • josh

    damon damon
    jeter jeter
    cano tex
    arod arod
    manny matsui
    matsui posada
    posada cano
    nady nady
    swisher swisher

    • Joey H

      A-rod would be up third if Manny is in the lineup one would assume.

    • Stephen

      Why not A-Rod 3rd and Manny 4th?

  • josh

    yeah youre probably right but it waould lengthen the lineup if cano could return to form ( a fair assumption with manny behind him ) to the tune of .310-.325 18-24hr – making him a legit #3 hitter, putting arod and manny behind him, seperates the righties a bit -

    • http://headshotsonly.wordpress.com The Third Yip-Yip

      With a .325 OBP, you’re not hitting third. Try 7-8-9.

      • Joey H

        That’s exactly it.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Unless your name is Jose Vidro.

    • Chip

      The only way that Cano could possibly make an argument to push either ARod or Manny to the 5th spot is if he’s got an OPS of at least .380 with some decent power. He hasn’t shown the patience to hit third thus far

  • josh

    i dont really have any clue how they would do it but it is cool to see what some of these lineups would look like

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Hah. Sportscenter just said Manny won’t take any offer seriously until Tex signs.

    • Stephen

      Who’s their source?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        I have no idea, I don’t think they said.

        • Mike Pop

          Had to be Gammons.

        • TurnTwo

          of course they didnt.

          olney was just on Mike and Mike again this morning very adamently protesting the new Manny news, saying the Yankees havent even really gotten that serious in their organizational discussions to have an offer ready for Manny.

          he also said that the Yankees, at this point, would only consider Manny at a 1 year deal if he’s still sitting there next month, maybe.

          i guess we’ll see.

  • Stephen

    I’m not a big believer in lineup protection, and I love stats and sabrmetrics as much as anybody, but that Papi-Manny combo was downright frightening, and I think we could have something like that with A-Rod and Manny, a situation where teams say holy shit, how do you pitch around these guys.

    • Mike Pop

      and I think we could have something like better than that

      Fixed

      • Mike Pop

        Like was suppose to crossed out, Im still learning lol.

    • Chip

      I don’t think it was so much Ortiz and Manny that were so frightening as the fact that everybody around them in the lineup had a OBP of .380+. I mean Manny seemed to always have somebody on base with Youk and Ortiz having OBP of .400 every season.

  • dan o

    y not get sheets and pettite and put joba back in the pen with phil hughes in long relief and start hughes for when sheets or burnett get hurt. joba becoming a starter is gonna turn out like a kerry wood or mark prior!

    • Stephen

      are you cereal?

      • dan o

        he got hurt his first year starting in the majors … he overthrows to woo the fans, it wont last long

        • Mike Pop

          8th inning role baby!

        • Mark

          What do you have to support your argument? he got injured once. plus, he has been a starter his whole career and he has had a lot of velocity during that time. he actually throws harder in the bullpen which would could lead to an injury faster since he is throwing harder, dont you think? besides, melacon will be up before you know it and i bet he will blow away hitters like joba did. i think he’ll be the setup man before the season is over

          • Mike Pop

            He was joking.

  • mikeo

    Great post on Phil Hughes
    http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....age-board/
    Hughes seems like one of us fans. Its crazy.

    • Mike Pop

      Thats awesome that he would do something like that. I really hope he figures it out and becomes the guy we all think he will be.

      • Manimal

        haahahahahah I was thinking the same thing

  • dan o

    also i think yankees should trade for carl crawford…solve all our outfield problems

    • Chip

      So either you don’t spend much time in the real world or my sarcasm meter is a bit off today

      • dan o

        hey man im just trying to be unconventional because the conventional has not worked for the last 8 years… besides crawford has great d, could be a hell of a lead off hitter capable of 40 steals..thats what we need a threat on the bases and YOUTH

        • Brooklyn Ed

          ..and why would the Rays trade within the divison, especially to the Yanks?

        • Mike Pop

          Crawford will retire a Ray

        • whozat

          Why would you put a guy with a .330 OBP in the leadoff spot? The whole point is to have guys on base so that they can be driven in.

        • Kevin

          I agree. Let’s be unconventional. Five-team trade, Yankees get Pujols, Crawford, Sizemore, Geovany Soto and 2003 Barry Bonds. Cardinals get Nady; Rays get Marte; Indians get Cody Ransom; Cubs get Jose Molina; 2003 Giants get 2003 John Flaherty.

          I think those trades would give the Yanks a solid core to build on. I defy anyone to tell me one reason this wouldn’t work.

          (Sorry to be a prick, dan o…but it needed to be done.)

          • K.B.D.

            NO WAY THIS HAPPENS! The Yanks would have to get more in return.

  • christopher

    this manny/tex thing is interesting. you would assume thay both would want the other to sign first because the remaining teams may become more desperate for the last big hitter out there.

    the kicker is that they both have the same agent and it seems boras wants tex to sign first because it creates a red sox /yankee rivalry.

    if the yankees are on the verge of and eventually do sign manny where does that leave tex with both the sox and angels having pulled out. it could very well be that the yankees have agreed to terms with manny, but boras’ camp is keeping it quiet and will not dot the i’s and cross the t’s until tex has landed.

    i would love it if boras drops the ball and overplays his hand on tex and he winds up having to take a contract below what he had been offered by the sox and angels already

    • whozat

      He’d have to overplay his hand to the point that the Angels have basically completed their offseason shopping. AND the Yanks would have had to have gotten a bat already too. Otherwise, they’d just compete with the Sox for Tex, if all of a sudden the price was 7/140 or something. And that’d drive the price right back up.

      • K.B.D.

        Angels are finished with regards to Teixera, they pulled their deal off the table.

        • TurnTwo

          allegedly.

  • ryan

    NO MANNY. what if posada is ineffective behind the plate and needs to DH?
    If that happens we are looking at 2 players making 28 million together sitting on the bench while manny plays a mediocre LF at best. Also this would push a weak armed Damon into CF. Nady would pay an average RF at best. Losing the clutch bats of either Posada or matsui would hurt the yanks. We all saw how much it hurt last year to not have these guys.

  • daneptizl

    Cash texted Bryan Hoch: “Not true”.

    • headstand

      It really makes you wonder if Cashman types more than 2 words Igawa pops out of nowhere and collects a bonus from him or something. Seriously the last one was “Not us”, now its “Not true”.

  • MattG

    One thing is for certain: this report has as much validity as the Red Sox dropping out on Teixeira. Still, Manny a Yankee could happen.

    I would have Matsui and Damon ensconced at DH and LF, which means that the bat the Yankees add needs to play 1B. That is Teixeira, Dunn, or no one. Swisher could be moved to RF to make room for one of those guys, and Nady and Matsui could start the year as a DH platoon.

    With Ramirez, the Yankees best lineup puts Manny at DH and Matsui on the bench (Damon is CF should not be an option). I don’t know why the Yankees would invest so much money to upgrade their DH.

  • E

    The whole espn wants tex to go to Boston crap is laughable. The more u write nonsense like that the more u look like a 2 bit foolish fan

    • gg

      o yea, how so? the most respected writer they have worships the sawx

  • MattG

    I don’t want Pettitte either. Take his money and sign Fuentes, then use Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves/Coke in the 5th spot.

    Neither Fuentes nor Dunn is looking to break the bank. As fans, we always want the guys that’ll leave a buck on the table for something fair and a chance to win. Go get them both.

  • Mike T.

    I agree that lineup protection can be over rated at times but Manny would be incredible behind Arod. He’s the hitting savant. Ortiz is in decline but without Manny, it’s just being expedited. Remember when everyone thought that Bobby Bonilla was the #2 hitter in baseball behind Bonds (pre-flax seed oil)?
    Regardless Tex is the way to go and screws Boston in the process; but, having Manny short term might be a lure for the Yanks.
    I believe they project the kid Jesus Montero (“Nobody F—s with the Jesus”) as a 1st Baseman in a couple of years.

  • JeffG

    How can I count the ways that the idea of signing Manny over Tex is absolutley a terrible idea?
    First, its bad stratgically. By not getting involved with Texiera we are practically serving him up on a silver platter to Boston. If you read Hendry’s statement critically there is no reason to believe that they have given up on Tex, rather they do not expect to bid up to Boras’ claim of an existing need to extend 190+ million dollar offer. I believe Boston is at around the 170-175 range and that is going to do it because realistically the O’s or Nationals can’t afford to hamstring their team that doesn’t have revenue like BS or NY.
    Further, by allowing Boston to sign Texiera we are facing a much better lineup than our own. By signing Texiera we would deny them the chance to add the quality bat that they need. I wouldn’t say it is a nail in the coffin but pretty close.
    If Tex goes to Boston then we feel the pressure of signing a bat ourselves because it would be clear that our chances of competing with their rotation and 1-9 would be an uphill battle. Boras will feed off that despiration.
    Second, on a building a team that is younger, more athletic, defensivly capable of keeping runs off the board the choice is easy. Texiera is hands down an easy choice. The whole idea of shifting Damond to center or is going to leave us with one of the worst outfields in the league. All the doubles that a good first baseman saves like Tex saves will also be lost. This is going to stick out like a sore thumb when we play Tampa. I believe some will argue that Manny’s offense makes up for it but against a switch hitter in our staduim I am not sure that there would be that great of a difference. Even if his offense numbers were better by a margin, and I doubt that it would be that large, and they would not make up for the defense and the ability to hurt one of our closest competitors.
    I’ve got plenty of more reasons but this post is getting long so leave with one last point. Manny has never had the right attitude toward his team or sport. Admiring doubles that turn into singles. Wearing the walkman out on the field. Giving up when things don’t go his way. Manny is Manny first. There is no team in his way of thinking. That has been apparent for years. It will truely pain me to see Jeter busting his ass down first while Manny trots it out. Will the way he’s been acting for years magically change when he put’s on the pinstrips? Don’t even kid yourself.
    Manny over Tex is ridiculous idea.
    (got to get some work done now – I’ll check back later)

    • Mike T.

      I agree with you entirely, but I wonder if the Yanks are really inclined to get into an 8-10 year contract with Tex. Signing Manny in my mind would necessitate a trade of Matsui. Manny in the current outfield would be a disaster. I would bat him at DH only.

      • K.B.D.

        Manny really wasn’t that terrible in left last year (-4.8 UZR). Thats really only acceptable, though, when the guy is hitting. And Manny can do that. Hell, Abreu was hideous in right this last year (-25.2 UZR) and nobody really complained too much.

        Why not DH Matsui? He’s the one with the bum knees. Manny would be an upgrade defensively over him in left.

        Manny can mash. Pick him up.

        • MattG

          Is Manny an upgrade over Damon? Damon is the LF, not Matsui.

          Manny is an upgrade over Matsui at DH, however Matsui’s contract expires after ’09, and that should be a huge factor. I would rather have Matsui in 2009 and the flexibility next winter (with Damon’s contract up also, to perhaps sign Holliday, who would be terrific in Yankee Stadium) than Manny for three years.

        • JeffG

          We are not comparing Abreau and Manny.
          Let’s try Manny and Texiera. Would love it if you could look at least try to debate a little more of the argument. “Manny can mash” isn’t really doing it for me. Manny in left means Damon where?

        • MattG

          What’s more, Manny’s 2007 season looks remarkably similar to any Hideki Matsui season. What is the likelihood that a 38 year-old Manny Ramirez, fresh off a new contract, actually gets out-hit by Hideki Matsui (especially when you consider park effects–moving from Fenway to Yankee stadium is going to hurt him no matter what)?

          I’ll give you it’s low, but a platoon of Matsui and Nady might not be all that far off from Manny Ramirez in 2009, and with Damon and Matsui both coming off the books after this season, that’s an opportunity to sign a slugger in his prime.

      • JeffG

        I think you raise the biggest point. I believe the only reason I think the Yanks are not into this deal is Jeter/ARod (just a guess obviously). Jeter more than likely will be extended and who knows how long he can man short?
        Or they are convinced of the conspiracy theory that Boston is not in the bidding at all rather they are there to drive up the price. – A little harder to believe.
        Trading Matsui in my mind makes no sense whatsoever. He helps the team and we would be able to get much less for him than what he is worth.

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  • Grover

    I want both Texeira and Manny. Imagine the new murderer’s row. Sell Nady and/or Swisher to any team willing to eat Matsui and Igawa for prospects. Matsui’s no trade is the only impediment. I would add Damon to the list if Jeter leads off and someone could slide in to the two hole. Cano might be forced to be ready. If it costs us landing Pettite so be it. The Yankees can fill any holes before the trade deadline with the David Dellucci/Miguel Cairo types and the Washburn/Chacon type number four and five starter if the kids don’t come through.

    It sets up Jackson arriving in center next year with Gardner/Cabrerra moving to left and the number four and five starter roles filled by the never ending committee of kids.

    • Axl

      Terrible idea. Our payroll would be upwards of $300 million. We haven’t won since our payroll had been going over $100 million. It’s nice to pretend but this literally will never happen. And Matsui’s trade clause is not the only thing…nobody is going to take on his salary for a player who has no knees and has been hurt constantly.

      I say get one or the other or neither…maybe Adam Dunn if not? Tex is the easier smarter answer…move Swisher in the outfield…Nady in right, Damon in left, Matsui at DH and Tex at 1B. Signing Manny or Dunn, you’d have to explore a trade for Nady, Matsui, etc.

      Normally I’d be content with staying put…but we took a big gamble last year on our pitching and it backfired…I don’t know why they would take the same kind of gamble with our hitting minus Giambi and Abreu…

  • Grover

    Cashman’s on the phone offering Damon, Matsui and Igawa and the incentive is Nady and Swisher. Seattle makes the most sense but the Giants are a possibility. Manny and Tex will be Yankees because you go after the elite when they are available. At $23M per player you are only adding $17M to the payroll after arbitration plus a couple of minimum journeymen for depth. Pettite is a question mark based on how far over the mandated ceiling for payroll the Steinbrenner brothers are willing to go for Dad.

    Damon
    Jeter
    Texeira
    A-Rod
    Manny
    Posada
    Cano
    Miranda/Duncan …….Floyd, Alou, Edmonds ?
    Cabrerra/Gardner