That’s just going against basic statistical principles…and I don’t mean baseball ones. I mean mathematics or anything in general. The more times you do something or the more data you have, the more likely it is to be accurate; the less things you do or the less data have, the more inaccurate the results. It’s no different in baseball. Arguments like yours are why people voted for Howard instead of Pujols. They value one thing (Sept.) over EVERYthing (Pujols’ entire season) which is just silly.

“He also might have been using some PED and stopped last year. ”

Show me any piece of evidence ever linking Swisher to PED.

“He may have only been able to play in Oakland because he had some magic thong. ”

So he had good offensive seasons in a bad hitter’s park because he’s a bad hitter? That makes tons of sense.

“The league may have finally figured out how to get him out and he can not adjust. So many things could have happened.”

I highly doubt that. He had a career high line drive percentage and still hit for a low BA. That’s an indicator of pretty shitty luck if you ask me. Also, the difference between his OBP and his BA was pretty much the same as it was for the last few years so his approach wasn’t varied at all. He was still getting on base, which is a hitter’s main job.

“If Nady and Swisher were signed to similar contracts most teams would prefer Nady on their team.”

Then those teams would be foolish. Xavier Nady makes outs 20% more than Nick Swisher does. That’s not good. Nady had an up year, Swisher had a down year. Based on the bigger sample size of their whole career, Nady’s performance is more the rule than the exception. Swisher down year was definitely the exception.

I do not agree with that. I think everything is case by case for that. Like your career stats are better indicators if last year was not your first for lack of a better term “slide year”. We do not know if it was for him.

You can attribute his bad year to him batting lead off or playing CF, but that is just speculation. He may have even said that but nobody is going to say “I hit .220 last year because I suck now”. But he may just suck. He also might have been using some PED and stopped last year. He may have only been able to play in Oakland because he had some magic thong. The league may have finally figured out how to get him out and he can not adjust. So many things could have happened.

Bottom line is if we are trying to trade somebody Swisher is the easiest to deal and possibly get something back because he is under contract for a long period of time. Nobody will get rid of value for Nady due to him being in his walk year. If Nady and Swisher were signed to similar contracts most teams would prefer Nady on their team.

I use those stats because they’re far more useful and inclusive than batting average. I stated I used them because the other guy called cherry-picking when he was clearly the one cherry picking.

Yes, batting average is not Nick Swisher’s strong point but like I said, he’s not getting paid to hit for a high average; he’s getting paid to get on base and play good corner OF defense.

Swisher’s problem in Chicago wasn’t battling for a spot–it was playing center and batting lead off, two things he didn’t agree with.

You do not hit .220 and not become a suspect player in some way. Make up or use whatever super duper stat you can, .220 is not the sign of a good player even if you walk a lot (Big Pun intended)

Again this is what is wrong with a lot of you stat guys on here. I get career numbers and everything but you have to weigh last year as a heavier number until he proves it to be wrong. Last year was his 4th or 5th year in the bigs, he is not some kid.

My main point though is that Swisher will have to battle and prove his worth for playing time, something I have not problem with. If Swisher has a problem with that as he did in Chicago he will find himself in his 4th big league town in 3 or 4 years, because he will be OUTTA HERE (like KRS One said)

An example, please , because I can’t think of one.

Nady had his best year last year. That is by definition getting better. And how does Nady at 5 mil compare to Swish at 30?”

That three year decline in OPS is fair enough, but that happened because of a drop in his SLG. His OBP dropped a lot in the last year but that happened because of a drop in batting average. What’s encouraging about Swisher’s down year last year was that he hit the ball hard (highest career LD%) and the diff. between is OBP and BA was the same as it was in 06 and 07.

“Man, that’s just dumb! No one is worth 10 mil because of the lineup they are going to be in.”

My sentence is about home runs, not cost. My point is, 20 home runs out of a guy who’s gonna hit anywhere from 6-9 in the order doesn’t need to hit 30+ homers. Nick Swisher is worth this theoretical $10MM to me because of his eye, his pop, and his usefulness at both outfield corners, where he plays well.