Do fans want fans covering baseball?

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I’ve been thinking about this topic a lot since landing in Vegas. Most everyone in the media room is a journalist. They for the most part work for large media corporations and are paid to deliver information to fans. This is done through a veil of objectivity. I say veil because everyone has their biases, and there’s no down-the-middle objective view of most topics. (For more on that, you can read this guy’s archives.)

River Ave. Blues, on the other hand, is written by fans, for fans. We don’t hide our biases; for the most part, they’re right up front. This extends beyond our team bias into our biases regarding individual players, coaches, front office executives, analytical methods, and in-game strategies. When we say something, you know where we’re coming from. Or at least that’s our hope. If you’re looking for neutral sports coverage, this is not the place for you.

The question I can’t seem to answer is, what does a neutral POV bring to the table? My best guess is that we get more accurate information if the report comes from a dispassionate observer. Otherwise, this line of thinking goes, we’re subject to a fan’s biases, and therefore won’t be getting the real story. We’ll be getting the story as spun by someone emotionally attached to the situation. As I said above, though, even a supposedly neutral bystander has his or her own biases. They’re just not as up front, as they have to feign objectivity.

As you can tell, I prefer fan coverage. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be doing this. While it’s nice to have someone gathering facts, I don’t think that necessarily has to come from an “objective” party. I think passionate fans can make the distinction between when it’s appropriate to act professionally and when it’s appropriate to express your fandom. Problem is, the old guard doesn’t believe that, so they tend not to hire the likes of Ben, Mike, and me. Yet I think we’re perfectly capable of handling ourselves in a press environment while retaining our die-hard ties to the Yankees.

I thought of all this last night while the Sabathia situation unfolded. I lamented to Mike that there was zero chance of us walking into the press room on Wednesday morning and high fiving the New York press corps. I thought that would have been cool. Woo hoo! We got our guy. Now let’s go find Cashman and see what’s next.

Before I wrap up, I just want to add that this is not a slight on the crew that covers the Yankees. I enjoy reading them, and have enjoyed their company, however brief, during the Winter Meetings. I also understand that not all of them are necessarily Yankees fans.

So I’m not saying that everyone who covers a team should be a fanatic. I do think, however, that the notion of an objective reporter is outdated. We’re all passionate fans. Don’t you enjoy reading the commentary of and engaging in conversations with other die-hards? I don’t think you’d be here if you didn’t.

While I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts on this topic, this is also the open thread for the evening. So have at it.

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  • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

    Espn just reported a guaranteed 5 yr deal to Burnett. 91mil

    • UWS

      I thought it was $85M? Whyyyyyyyyy?!?!?!?!?!

      • whozat

        Either way, its horrible.

        • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

          What he said ^

          • http://www.ilikemygirls.com Billy Beane

            fans reporting is too general.

            francessa is a fan. he’s also retarded.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I kind of love that this was the first comment in response to Joe’s quite eloquent and pointed commentary and question above.

      Yeah yeah yeah, you still talking? THEIR GIVING AJ TEH 5 YRS!1!1!!!!

      • whozat

        Hey, open thread :-)

        Also…he’s totally right. How many ways could we say “yup” and keep it interesting?

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Heh, I know, I just thought it was funny when that was the first comment to pop up.

          • pat

            Thats exactly what i was thinking too. If anybody has ever seen Children of Men, reading joes article then seeing the first comment was EXACTLY like the scene in the movie where clive carries the baby through the building while its being attacked by tanks and everybody stops and the whole movie gets silent, then when he gets far enough away the shooting and yelling starts again.
            Yea sort of weird of me to say but thats what struck me. Plus whatever we’re all a big family.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

              Great movie.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Meh, I thought it was a bit overhyped. It was decent, but long and not as impactful as it was portrayed to be.

                But that’s me.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  I agree but everyone else seemed to love it. I always thought I was the only one but now I realize I’m not alone.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  Yeah, I’m with you dudes; definitely a good move, but quite over-hyped.

                  You know what’s a good flick that nobody mentions? “Black Hawk Down”. I was watching it the other day, and damn, even I forgot how good of a film that was.

                • UWS

                  Black Hawk Down is a fantastic movie. Never got its due, IMO.

                  I’ve yet to see Children of Men, so I will withhold opinion on that one.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  re: Black Hawk Down – I didn’t love it, but I thought it was effective. Definitely a good, serious action flick.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  The book was even better. I hear the same is try of Children of Men. In fact, one reason you guys probably didn’t like the movie was they cut out a lot of the back story about the period where no one gave birth.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  The book was even better. I hear the same is try of Children of Men. In fact, one reason you guys probably didn’t like the movie was they cut out a lot of the back story about the period where no one gave birth.

                  Interesting… perhaps that would have made the movie better.

                  Co-sign the Black Hawk Down, though. Good, solid movie, not amazing, but nothing wrong with it.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          That’s why I used this as the open thread. Not everyone is interested in this topic.

    • Noone important

      just plain stupidity who would give this guy over 18 million a year????? STUPIDITY I TELL YOU! get sheets, pettite, not this dude who is the next pavano, use that money to go get tex signed

    • MasterShake

      whatever…we were gonna end up overpaying for either Lowe or Burnett (i was hoping not for this much but hey, at least no more Ponson/Ransner right?)

      • Noone important

        way to see the positive out of something negative and thank god no more rasner, let the japanese deal with him

        • pat

          Rasner gets such a raw deal, everybody hates on him so much. Yea the razzle dazzle put up his fair share of stinkers but he also pitched a bunch of really good games for us, plus he got screwed in a few games where the offense didnt give him any run support. He did exactly what he was supposed to do as a 5th or 6th starter, which is provide innings and give your team a reasonable chance to win most games you start. Its not his fault he was miscast as a 3rd starter for most of the season bc we were wrecked by injures.

          • MasterShake

            I’m not hating on Rasner, he did as much as he could and did very well for us in the beginning of the season. Its just that a 200mill payroll team should not have Rasner as the pitcher with the 3rd most starts

  • fiTzeL

    the thing is … you guys theem to be more objective then those prime time players. Many so called expert are as biased whilel pretending not to be … i much prefer honest opinion to “fair” analysis.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I think what you’re getting at, and I agree with this theory, is that nobody is completely unbiased and objective. In a sense knowing someone’s biases and putting them out on the table means you’re getting a more honest description of an event (or opinion on that event).

    • http://pinstripealley.com Edwantsacracker

      Haydn White attacked historians, he called all history comparable to fiction, and said all historians were actually nothing more that literary critics. He was attacking a historical system with a postmodern argument.

      The response from the historical community has been varied, but to a large degree most people have conceded that they cannot write any kind of objective history. They can try, and when they read other peoples history, they need to be aware of the biases of the person who writes it.

      Same thing, I think…

      • pat

        HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTOR!

      • RCK

        Ha! I was just coming in here to bring up Hayden White and Haskell’s Objectivity is Not Neutrality.

        Are you a historian?

  • ceciguante

    i disagree, mike.
    i like the job that you guys here at RAB do (most of the time), b/c you are up to date on what the yanks are doing through the whole organization, and i get to think along with not only you guys but the commenters on the site.

    but i disagree that objective reporting is “outdated”. i actually think objective reporting is superior to editorializing. if all you do is read editorial reporting, you’re getting more bias than reporters trying to remain objective. it becomes harder, imo, to follow the objective story if you have to strip the opinion out of everything you read. like i said, the opinions are great, i just think there needs to be objective reporting first, then add the bias. “just the facts, ma’am…”

    oh, yeah: CC for prezident!!!!!!!!!1111111111

    • ceciguante

      sorry, i meant joe, not mike.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I think my point, though, is that everything written, on any topic, is rife with bias. With the “objective” reporters, it’s just harder to detect. So you’re digesting their biases without even knowing it.

      At least when you read something here, you know where we’re coming from (did I use that same line in the post? I think I did.) That’s the distinction I’m trying to make.

      • ceciguante

        i agree with you that everything has SOME bias. but i don’t agree with your (cynical?) conclusion: that everything written is rife with bias, and some just hide it better. i think writers trying to be objective generally do a pretty good job of being objective. but i do agree it varies…some “objective” writers have bias just below the surface.

        i see your point that writers trying to editorialize at least have the advantage that they’re not trying to suppress anything — they’re laying their P.O.V. on the table for all to see. full disclosure.

        but i also don’t buy that if a writer has a bias, you somehow digest it without knowing it’s there. if you educate yourself on any subject, you’ll smell the BS a mile away.

        • DCStack

          I agree with ceciguante.

          Joe, I think you are seeing bias as a binary state. You are either biased or you are not and since everyone is biased there is no difference between those claiming objectivity and those who are not, except that one is lying.

          I disagree with this premise. Bias is not binary. It is a full range. Those who dedicate themselves towards trying to be objective give off significantly less bias in their reporting and therefore provide better raw data for the consumer of that information to form his/her own opinion.

          I liken this to the sorely missed Tim Russert vs. the CNN talking heads. Yes, Russert had his own opinions but he hid them so well that you knew if you watched his program you would get a purer view of the issue at hand. But trying to decipher real information from the screaming heads on one of CNN’s programs is considerably more difficult.

          Both have their place. I want to hear/read objective and subjective points of view. If I only have to live with one I would take the objective, but thankfully I don’t have to make that choice at the moment. My biggest fear is that objective voices may disappear. I want both and I hope there is room for both.

  • MasterShake

    I agree with you 100% here, one of the main draws of this site is that the writers/commentators ARE yankees fans. I don’t want to read something objective when Im reading about my sports teams, I want to read articles filled with excitement over a certain player or dread over others. Puts more feeling behind the stories rather than just statistics and quotes.

  • pat

    Joe I think the amount of pageviews you get and the activity on your message boards speaks worlds about RAB’s style of journalism. Because of people like Mike Lupica I barely even pick up a mainstream newspapers’ sports section. They’re supposed to be fair and unbiased but almost every column or article written is rife with subtle jabs or pruposly misrepresented information.

    • pat

      And for the record I didnt see that you used the word rife in one of your responses a few boxes up, I wasnt ripping you off. Rife is a sweet ass word tho.

      • ceciguante

        you obviously digested the word “rife” without realizing it.

  • Steve

    Is a fact any less true based on where it comes from? Of course not, and discrediting a source is an attempt to distract people away from your own lack of rebuttal. Its throwing sand in their eyes, since you have no substantive counter argument to make.

    That being said, advocacy journalism is tough to take seriously. Facts are cherry picked to support the authors preconceived notions, despite the preponderance of evidence leading elsewhere.

    So all you can do is admit your bias up front and attempt to be fair minded, even though its virtually impossible to do so. Everyone has priorities, from a Supreme Court Justice all the way down to the man on the street.

  • Noone important

    Now with CC signed or about to sign 23 of the 88 million that came off the books is taken up now if im not mistaken we still have 65 million left, say we sign pettite for 10 and sheets for 15 thats another 25 mill now were down to 40 million thats more then enough to sign punto and tex now for arguments sake say both those come out to 35 million now we still have 5 mill left, so if we dont sign sheets we could actually afford (sadly) to make that 18 million to burnett instead. This give us:
    Rotation: Lineup: Bench
    Wang LF Johnny Damon
    Burnett SS Derek Jeter Molina
    Joba 1B Mark Texiera Gardner
    Pettite 3B Alex Rodriguez Punto
    DH Hideki Matsui Swisher
    C Jorge Posada
    2B Robinson Cano
    CF:Melky or Gardner
    RF: Melky or Nady

  • Noone important

    that came out like crap

  • KW

    I like the fan perspective, but I think something to be said about objectivity is the fact that objectivity brings multiple opinions and views on the subject, which helps enrich the story. Plus, some fans do like multiple viewpoints, as it can illuminate things the reader might not have thought about otherwise.

    I think at the end of the day people like to hear people that agree with them, but they also don’t mind someone bringing something fresh to the table. That’s how people grow as individuals and as adults.

  • christopher

    many of these dispassionate observers, especially those in the national media do not watch the yankees enough – big reason why everyone, including ravech in his chat tonight – thinks joba belongs in the pen.

    a fan, even though they may be biased, watches every game and many times has just as good an idea of what the team needs as do those in the media. Also, I wouldnt neccarily call most media members absolutly dispassionate. Many of them have personal relationships, either bad or god, with players, managers, and upper managment. This surely mus skew their point of view a little – after all it is these dispassionate observers with an impartial point of view that have never had a unanimous 1st ballot hall of famer.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I tried to go out of my way at the end to say that dispassionate does not cover everyone. It’s more of the old-school idea, one that permeates to today, and one I don’t think fits anymore.

  • bobtaco

    Any chance this is smoke that AJ’s agent is blowing to get the Braves to up the offer in dollars and years? I think I’d rather have AJ over Lowe, but I don’t want either really. I’d rather go — Sheets, Pettitte, Manny.

    • Noone important

      most likely it is all aj’s agent

    • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

      Unfortunately I dont think the Yankees see Pettitte in there future. I am wondering if there is more of Sheets injury than people are admitting.

      • bobtaco

        By the way, ESPN Rumor Central is reporting this:

        Rangers Reeling In Sheets?
        With CC Sabathia in the fold, the Yankees are turning to their next targets, including SP Ben Sheets. But the Rangers might have beaten them to the punch.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      bobtaco says:
      Any chance this is smoke that AJ’s agent is blowing to get the Braves to up the offer in dollars and years? I think I’d rather have AJ over Lowe, but I don’t want either really. I’d rather go — Sheets, Pettitte, Manny.

      I hope so, and I agree with you.

      Also, all of a sudden I want some tacos.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Goddamit, do we have to talk about tacos for a few weeks now? It never ends.

        • UWS

          Mmmmm….tacos.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
          • Ron

            There’s one in Vegas.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

      Bob Taco is correct for that same money we could get Sheets, Pettitte and have some money left to go after Manny.

      AJ gets a thumbs down from me.

      • pat

        Now bob taco is a nickname i like.

  • Noone important

    Rotation
    CC, Wang, Burnett, Joba, Pettite

    Lineup
    LF Damon, SS Jeter, 1B Texiera, 3B Rodriguez, DH Matsui, C Posada, 2B Cano, CF Melky or Gardner, RF Melky or Nady

    Bullpen
    Rivera, Marte, Coke, Bruney, Veras, Aceves, Albaladejo or Ramirez

    On The Way If Needed
    Hughes, Kennedy, Albalajedo or Ramirez, Robertson, Sanchez
    Cervelli, Miranda, Christian,

    • JeffG

      What – Guise gets no love? Think he might be useful if we could send Coke and him back and forth a bit.
      I also wouldn’t mind Ankiel for a year with Gardner coming off the bench.
      Tex seems like a real long shot at the moment especially with the numbers being tossed around for AJ.

  • Noone important

    I like the fan perspective, if its a neutral matter then we wouldnt be able to have these great opinions that we do here on the comment boards

  • Tony

    I have to admit that i felt very different toward Pete Aberham and his blog after i saw him say he wasn’t exactly a yankee fan. It bothered me but i still go there for the info. I guess it felt like he had been lying, i don’t know how to explain it but it was weird. The article above really hit it on the head becasue ever since i found that out about Pete it has slighlty bothered me.

  • UWS

    Now that I’ve had a couple of minutes to think about it, I guess if you’re choosing between Lowe and Burnett, it’s better to spend on AJ for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum. And, with CC and Wang giving you lots of innings, I guess you could live with inevitable DL stints every once in a while. Plus you have decent depth in the minors to cover for them. It still baffles me as to why they are so averse to Sheets. Perhaps there’s something in his medical records that they’re leery of? Or that, contrary to popular opinion, he also wants a 3-4 year deal?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Meh, now that I’ve had more time to think about it, I’m the exact opposite. I’m more apt to pick Lowe over Burnett. He’s probably just the better pitcher. Even with all those strikeouts, Lowe has done a better job of keeping runs off the board (even adjusting for league differences) and racking up innings.

      Plus, while Lowe is asking for a 5 year deal, I don’t know of anyone who’s actually offering a 5 year deal. Lowe can probably be had for 4.

      Lowe on a 4 >>>>>> Burnett on a 5

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Ultimately, I think objectivity or lack thereof is a distant second in importance to the presence of rational, analytical thought.

    I.E. Rob Neyer is an out-and-out Royals fan and would love to see the Royals do better, and it’s fine that he feels that way, but he won’t allow his bias to influence/cloud his ability to speak and think with a clear head about baseball.

    All of us here are Yankee fans, and admit as much. But we’re also willing and able to criticize the team and look at things rationally, albeit with bias.

    The quality of the thought is much more important than the bias of the speaker, IMO.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Well said.

    • mustang

      Holy shit,
      I feel a lot smarter just from reading this.
      This ways beautiful man, just beautiful.

    • Ron

      The quality of the thought is much more important than the bias of the speaker, IMO

      This is true, but I think the point Joe was making was that the bias of the speaker is not always disclosed, and in fact, is often (purposefully) withheld.

      For example, we can tell that certain members of the media, e.g. Steve Phillips, hate the Yankees, but they don’t preface their disparaging remarks with that fact. Now you might say “Yeah, but everyone knows that, so what does the non-disclosure mean?” Well, not everyone knows that. Maybe all RAB commenters do, but they are not the average fan, nor the average Yankee fan. I work in Manhattan and some of the asinine shit I hear so called Yankee fans say leads me to believe that they don’t have clue about what’s really going on.

      So yeah, if you disclose your biases up front, I think it gives you more credibility.

  • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com jane

    Just want to say I think RAB does a great job of giving us the facts and interpreting them from the Yankees POV, which is the way I like it. Tyler Kepner and George King are Phillies fans. Pete Abraham is from MA. Mark Feinsand is a big Yankee fan (or used to be before he became a journalist). They all do a fine job and I think it’s appropriate that they not show partisanship. That said, I enjoy RAB precisely b/c of your partisanship. So keep it up!

  • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Joe – You should check out what Will Leitch has to say about this topic (the old school journalist/dispassionate observer thing vs. the outsider/emotionally involved observer/fan). He discusses it in his book I think. I’m not sure if there was ever a long post about it on deadspin but it’s kinda the backbone of Leitch’s whole philosophy re deadspin and his sports writing.

    • UWS

      Ugh, Leitch.

      • pat

        we run, we jump, we swim, we play, we row and go on trips…….

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        Same thought. But I know what Mondesi’s talking about. I’ve read Leitch write about this plenty.

        That said, both Leitch’s writing and Deadspin have gone to shit since he left.

        • pat

          Dude the people at deadspin are so full of themselves it’s ridiculous. I love the uproar that was caused when ****GASP**** unapproved facebook comments were enabled. Sorry but about .05% of them are truly funny the rest are college kids with a stupid handle “Somebody’s Something” who make the same worn out jokes over and over. Carl Monday Barbaro lolzzzz. That being said, i thoroughly enjoy the website.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

            Oh my god, I’d totally forgotten about Carl Monday until you mentioned him:

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Lol so you hate everything about the website, but, that being said, you thoroughly enjoy the website.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I hear you. On this topic in particular, though, I think he actually has some really worthwhile things to say.

  • VO

    6:54pm: Jon Heyman believes the Yankees’ five-year offer to Burnett is for $80MM

    Thank the good rivera, hopefully Jon Heyman is correct

    • mustang

      That’s better ?

      • VO

        not much but 80 is a less intimidating number and hopefullly the braves will raise there offer, even by a little will help

    • Thomas

      You really want Burnett for 5 years at $16 million per? Why?

      That is way too much money and years for slightly above average and injury prone.

      • VO

        like i said hopefully the braves will top it

    • mustang

      At 16 for 5 is dumb.
      18.3 for 5 is dumber.

      Either way it still stupid.

  • Stu H

    Look at Bill Simmons. He earns big money now at ESPN because he is just what you describe — a passionate fan of his teams. I’d love to see a guy like that have a national venue and be a Yankees fan. It’s great for the team.

    I’d argue that Simmons probably makes more than any reporter out there, btw.

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “I’d argue that Simmons probably makes more than any reporter out there, btw.”

      Rick Reilly begs to differ.

      • Thomas

        The thing is do people really care about their opinions on sports? Those two are more comedians than analysts and people know it. Look at the number of questions Simmons gets in his mailbag about what people did in Vegas or what TV shows they watch, less than half of Simmons coverage is actual sports.

      • Stu H

        Yep!

        “Bill Simmons, ESPN.com, ESPN the Magazine: This one’s probably better left to the Boston media battalion, but the consensus seems to be that he’s making anywhere between $750k and $1 million, placing him only behind Reilly at the WWL.”

        “Rick Reilly, ESPN: Left Sports Illustrated and signed a well-publicized “ridonkulous” deal with the Devil ESPN earlier this year, apparently worth $17 million over five years (estimated $3.4 per year).”

        Hey, I was close. #2 ain’t bad.

        • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

          Rick Reilly is a turd. Bill Simmons is not much better.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Meh, they’re better at what they’re supposed to be doing than John Kruk is at what he’s supposed to be doing.

            • UWS

              Now there’s a ringing endorsement!

            • pat

              Id like to see rick reilly OPS 133 for 10 yrs.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I’d like to see Bill Simmons eat 12 philly cheesesteaks in 7 minutes.

  • A.D.

    Fans covering baseball works for me, as people have noted we know that blogs are biased towards their teams, and after some reading certain players, ownership, etc.

  • Ivan

    Is these rumors of yanks giving out the 5th year to Burnett Legit? Seems like a smoke screen.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame aka they guy who has well documented history of belligerent thickheadedness and anti-intellectual character assassinations

      Man i hope it is BS. Why not just hand checks to random people and let them fill in the amount if this is real.

    • mustang

      You maybe right Girardi was talking up Sheets today on the FAN. I think we will know by morning.

  • UWS

    I think that, in theory, unbiased reporting is great, not just in sports but in any aspect of life, etc. However, as Joe correctly points out above, “objective” media is not really objective at all, they’re just better at hiding their biases. Therefore, I’d much rather read and hold discourse in a site like this here RAB, where I can share in the unfettered enthusiasm of my fellow fans. Whereas FOX-ian “We report, you decide” bullshit is just that, BS.

    In conclusion, since dispassionate objective reporting does not exist outside the figments of someone’s imagination, I’d rather get coverage from people who are at least open about their attititudes. And of course, a reporter’s personal bias should never stand in the way of clearheaded analysis.

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Since this is an open thread, I’ll take the liberty to post this link from Chad Jennings on the Rule 5 draft:

    http://community.thetimes-trib.....horne.aspx

    So it looks like our guys are safe. I don’t have much faith in Horne so losing him wouldn’t be a big deal.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

    I prefer fan commentary when I want analysis, which is why I come here, because I tend to enjoy the descriptive posts. As someone who came over after Baby Bombers ended, I really like this site even better.

    Sometimes I do tend to dislike some of the heart-on-your-sleeve biases (ex. I didn’t enjoy reading a lot of the blatant Melky-bashing, although I could understand why there was such a divide among us fans). But for the most part, I check here first for my Yankee news rather than ESPN or even PeteAbe’s blog, largely because I tend to agree with what we’ve got here and the discussions that exist on the comments.

    I also like NYYFans.com forums, but in general, I don’t find the discussions there as informed or colorful, frankly, as what I see here… ;-)

    To summarize though, yes, I enjoy reading about Yankee news, as a Yankee fan, from this fan site.

  • pat

    Robert DeNiro as Jake Lamotta, Travis Bickle, Michael (Deerhunter) or Vito Corleone- Who ya got?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Hmmm… tough one. LaMotta, probably… but it’s hard to not pick Young Vito.

      If I made a list of my top 10 movies of all time, Godfather II is probably #1.

      • pat

        I don’t think I could even pick a favorite move but all of those are definately up there. For me though, Jake LaMotta was just unbelievable. Honestly i was scared I was gonna piss him off somehow and he was gonna come smack me around a little bit. Plus the scene at he end where hes getting pounded on by Ray Robinson and is like “Ray, Ray, you never got me down Ray”- awesome.

  • andrew

    mets getting putz as well? thats bad ass.

  • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

    I was having a baseball conversation with my brother,A die hard Mets fan and he brought up a good point about how maybe the Yankees are turning a corner in how they will negotiate with declineing Yankees in the future. Maybee will base our contracts on performance rather then the players history,status with the team. Ex=The way the Yankees are handling Pettittes contract. What do yo think and do you think this trend will continue. Ex=JETER,,Matsui

  • “RealJourno”

    To the fellas at RAB,

    As a “real” journalist who covers sports, I’m a FAN of your site. You guys run one of the best Yankee blogs out there.

    I think fan coverage has its benefits, which are numerous. They encourage dialogue and promote discourse. They provide unique stances and takes, and on sites like this one – those takes are backed up by salient points.

    As a journalist and as a Yankee fan (residence in the 4th estate and fandom isn’t mutually exclusive is it?), I come to your site so I can feel the pulse of what’s going in the Yankee universe. I come here to see if you’re thinking what I’m thinking about Burnett and Lowe. For what it’s worth, 5 years is two much for AJ, 4 is too much for Lowe. More roster flexibility is gained with two years of Sheets and one year of Pettitte.

    Back to the point at hand… i don’t think media coverage is an EITHER-OR phenomenon. You need the fan’s perspective but you need the straight man’s too. Think about it, a lot of these beat writers have spent years developing sources, gaining trust from GMs and execs, and use this information to put out their stories.

    Often – you link MANY of these news stories which provide the information. Then you offer you’re own unique takes. I prefer it like that. One group produces the information, the other the opinion.

    A while back – when Costas held the roundtable with the now epic Leitch-Bizzinger face-off – I was disappointed one point was not brought up. The fact that MEDIA EVOLVES.

    Think about it. Daily Newspapers revolutionized media coverage. Then came radio. Many felt at the time radio would render newspapers irrelevant. It didn’t happen. Television arrived which many thought would spell the end of radio. It didn’t happen.

    Then came the internet – it’s own animal. It’s evolved to the point where it encompasses print, radio, and television. Yet the other three mediums all survive. Blogs won’t replace newspapers – they are an extension of it. They must be embraced. The paper tells you what happened. The blogs offer their take and serve as a community sounding board. Let them be separate. I think its great you have a place to get your information and a place to vent.

    I’ve argued that there shouldn’t be a schism between blogs and the mainstream. Blogs are mainstream now. Newspapers have their own blogs. Deadspin’s popularity has gotten to the point where it’s pretty much mainstream among sports fans.

    I guess my point is this. There’s always been room at the table. There’s room for the fan’s perspective, and there’s room for the unbiased observer. Some of the MSMers may have to get their hand off the seat next to them, but there are seats the table.

    Most of us journalists are fans. We have our teams. We may not have cared for all the teams we covered, but to me that doesn’t hurt coverage. Why? Because we go to sites like this to see what the FANS of THAT TEAM CARE ABOUT.

    When I’m preparing for an interview with a writer from the Angels, or Titans, or Rockets – I’ll often check out fan blogs. I want to see what the fans of that team are talking about. So see, we need you like you need us. And there’s room at the table for both.

    Thanks for your time and keep up the good work. You have my email if you want to continue this conversation.

    Much Respect,

    An “MSM”er

    • andrew

      well said.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      LA MIGRA!!! LA MIGRA!!!

      Naw, just kidding. Great post, thanks.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      “i don’t think media coverage is an EITHER-OR phenomenon”

      This makes me think my post was a bit more cynical than I had intended. I’ll be certain to take you up on that email.

    • DCStack

      This is what I tried to say only he/she said it betterer. I guess that’s why he/she is a journalist. :-)

  • Bryan V

    I absolutely love this website. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate what people like you do. Sure, it’s nice to hear from “neutral” reporters like Jon Heyman or Buster Olney. But when you guys report it’s like hearing from a relative, as we’re all part of the Yankee family.

    BTW, like all families, we have our smart ones…and are idiotic ones.

  • Lanny

    No media is objective. Anyone that says they are totally is lying ie the mainstream media.

  • “RealJourno”

    Lenny – I’m with you. We all have our biases. To the right or the left, East Coast/West Coast etc. But it’s the source where you’re getting it. I’m coming here to get the Yankee viewpoint. Just like you would turn to SI.com or ESPN.com or FoxSports.com for the national perspective

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