ESPN: Yanks, Sabathia ‘very close’ on deal

The RAB Radio Show - December 9, 2008 - Episode 5
Yanks back at the city's stadium trough

Update 10:40 a.m. by Joe: Baseball’s resident economist, JC Bradbury, likes the deal. He values Sabathia at $26 million per year over the next seven.

Update 9:17 a.m. by Joe: ESPN reports that the deal is for 7 years and $160 million. That takes the AAV down a bit. It’s a helluva long commitment, but the Yanks knew that they’d have to go above and beyond for CC.

I also want to note that this is complete bullshit. Mike and I are in Vegas. Couldn’t they at least break this on Vegas time? It’s six in the goddamn morning! And this thing broke what, an hour ago?

Update 8:32 a.m.: Early reports this morning featured a New York Post story saying the deal is all but done between Sabathia and the Yanks. ESPN.com has now seemingly confirmed this independently. According to the Worldwide Leader:

The New York Yankees were “very close” to a preliminary agreement with CC Sabathia on Wednesday morning, following an in-person meeting between Yankees GM Brian Cashman and Sabathia in California, a baseball source with knowledge of the deal told ESPN.com.

While a deal is not done, the source said there are “zero major road blocks” that would prevent the Yankees from reaching agreement with the Yankees.

“He’s now excited about becoming a Yankee,” said one source.

I’m off to somehow take a final despite this excitement. Don’t burn down the place while Joe and Mike sleep in Vegas. We’ll have more as soon as we know more.

Update 8:39 a.m.: Jon Heyman has word of the signing as well.

The RAB Radio Show - December 9, 2008 - Episode 5
Yanks back at the city's stadium trough
  • KW

    Wahoo!!!!!!!

    • Marcus

      Movin up on up, to the eastside! CC is finally getting a piece of the pie!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Mmmm, pie.

  • Bonnie

    We should have and should still make a run at Teixeira.

    • mustang

      agree.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Can’t you guys at least for an hour just be happy about what we’ve got?! Yankee fans are so demanding.

      • Rob

        Is it wrong to hope they’re done now with the pitchers – except Pettitte – and will start focusing on the hitting?

        • Jay CT

          Yes. Yes it is, lol

      • Rob

        And is it too early to start preparing a run at Webb in 2011?

      • mustang

        Ben,
        We are Yankee fans I’m wondering what’s taking so long to announce deals with Tex, Sheets and Andy.
        Come on Cashman what’s wrong with you.

        LOL

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Can’t you guys at least for an hour just be happy about what we’ve got?! Yankee fans are so demanding.

        Ben, you should smack yourself for ever saying anything so foolish.

        Orbis non sufficit.

    • Rob

      Except the price on him will only be going up now – years and dollars. The price on Manny, who offers better production, is dropping like a rock in his head.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’m totally, perfectly fine with either one.

        Tex is excellent.
        Manny is excellent.
        Sign one of ’em, please.

        • Mike Pop

          Ill take Dunn if we do not get one of them

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            CC
            Sheets
            Dunn

            /off season.

            • jsbrendog

              pettite

              • jsbrendog

                STFU tjsc i know i know P-E-T-T-I-T-T-E. BASTARD i beat uyou to it

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside a/k/a Wuthering Heights

                  Heh, I’m like Terry Tate, Office Linebacker… you’re fearing the footsteps…

                  I DON’T GOT TIME FOR PAIN!!! THE ONLY PAIN I GOT TIME FOR IS THE PAIN I BE PUTTIN’ ON FOOLS WHO DON’T KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS!!!

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Oh yeah, Andy too, but only at like 10-14 mil.

      • mustang

        I hate to say it because i can’t stand Manny, but you have a point.

        • Rob

          You’re going to love him hitting behind A-Rod. And after Abreu in RF, he’ll look like Rowand going to the wall.

  • Relaunch

    I’m still waiting until its a source besides the Post.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Same.

      • Jay CT

        Thank you. Thats exactly what I said in the RAB podcast. Just as easily as yesterday’s “rejected” rumor, this could be the same thing

  • parms

    the rest of the article is pretty interesting too if anyone read that far. going all in for lowe and burnett, while they still plan to offer sheets a deal maybe? i guess you can never have too much pitching…

  • Christopher

    It’s being reported by MLB.com and USA Today, but they’re citing the Post article as the source.

  • Joe

    ESPN just reported it without mentioning anything about the Post

    • MrJigginz

      That’s how ESPN does their business…A LOT of people in the sports media business complains about ESPN not releasing the names of their sources of information.

  • Nolan

    Do you think the yanks want 6 starters? It would make sense as joba can’t pitch a full year and if they do get Burnett and sheets someone is going to miss time due to injury. A rotation of cc wang burnett sheets pettitte joba would be amazing…

    • Rob

      Signing all of those guys would be a mistake, especially since it would leave an OF of Damon – Gardner – Nady with Swisher at 1B. That’s half the lineup at below average production for their positions. The pitching would be very good, but not so good to completely shutdown potent offenses like the Tampons and Rays.

      • stewman23

        In a new development from unconfirmed sources, the Yankees plan on sending two pitchers at a time to the mound in 2009. It is still unknown which ball will be considered in play if the hitter is able to make contact, but Brian Cashman says “we think this is really gonna throw them for a loop!”

        • RobC

          you mean Pat Venditte ?

      • steve (different one)

        the Yankees outscored the Rays last year.

        • andrew

          and lost 2 of their 3 most productive hitters and have done little to address that

  • Bill

    Lets dont get are hopes up yet because I donot trust Joel Sherman he is like Peter Gammons he is hardly ever right.

    The only one I trust is Jon Heyman when it comes to this type of stuff.

    • WillNY

      Heyman has now confirmed the signing.

      • Jay CT

        Yeah he is. That makes this much more credible.

        • mustang

          Ken Rosenthal is reporting the same on Fox I think it’s ok to be happy.

  • Mike

    Are we signing him as a pitcher or to be our DH?

    j/k, but could be a possiblity if all the old guys wound up getting hurt AGAIN!

    haha

    good work cashman on being a salesman to the wife

    happy wife = happy life

  • WillNY

    If I was calling the shots, I would consider Joba/Hughes one pitcher. In fact, I would have them split the same game. That would keep their innings around 130, while hopefully giving the Yankees a very effective starter. Then, you could trot out Wang, Sabathia and two of Lowe/Burnett/Pettitte/Sheets. Because Joba/Hughes would hopefully graduate to being full time pitchers in 2010, the short-term deals of Sheets and Pettitte seem ideal.

    • AndrewYF

      “In fact, I would have them split the same game.”

      This will never be a smart, or a good, idea. Ever. Just stop, because it’s not going to happen, nor should it happen, because it does not make any kind of sense. Unlike the minors, in the majors the games actually count.

      • WillNY

        What is so unwise about having two effective pitchers fulfill their innings requirement by splitting the same game? I think it gives the Yankees a better chance of winning than shuffling both between the rotation and the bullpen, or worse, having to shut them down early.

        By pitching approximately 4 innings per game, both Hughes and Joba would log about 140 innings, while still giving the Yankees a very good chance to win each of their starts. Also, the idea would basically give the bullpen a regular day of rest (except for Mo), assuming both were regularly unable to go their full stint.

        Instead of making definitive statements without any logic to support them, why not formulate an argument explaining why you think this plan would not work?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Because building innings isn’t just adding them any way possible. It’s throwing 6, 7, 8 innings a start sometimes. That’s part of the stamina- and strength-building process, too.

          • RobC

            Didn’t a team try using multiple starters for 2 innings each a few years ago?

          • WillNY

            Unless the Yankees are going to abandon the notion of an innings limit, the only other option is to either use the bullpen or shut them both down early. Earl Weaver always used to break starters in via long relief. This would basically be the same idea, except it would be on a more predictable schedule, while also giving the Yankees a very viable 5th starter, which they currently do not have (even if they sign two more FAs).

            • Mike Pop

              Splitting the game= bad idea

              • WillNY

                Very convincing analysis. Thanks.

                • Mike Pop

                  Joe said it why do I have to say it again.. Plus if your talking about 4 innings at a time, what does that do get them to 120, 130 innings at the end of the season. Just a plain dumb idea. The guy who comes in in the middle of the game could be pitching useless innings. They would only be seeing lineups once or possibly twice. You have to face hitters over and over and get them out, be successful throughout the lineup the whole game. Not just once.. Its just a dumb idea, they should be going 6 or 7 innings a start as opposed to 3 or 4. What if a Joba/Phil have a shutout going in the 4th and only have given up a hit ? Does the philosiphy change there ?

  • Nady Nation

    BUT HE DUZNT WANNA PLAY IN N.Y.?!!!1!11!1

    • A.D.

      It all smoke an mirrors, Cashman is going to get right to the point where CC signs only to pull the contract and SHOW THEM WE MEAN BUSINESS

      • jsbrendog

        scene in a hotel room:

        Cash: “we’re all really glad you decided to join the yankees cc”
        CC: “yeah, me too, i knew it was the right decision”
        ::cashman yanks contract out from under cc’s pen::

        Cash: “HAHA ASSHOLE joke’s on you! we know you never wanted to play in NY and now you look like a fool! (rips up contract) go back to cali fat man”

        CASH inner monologue (man i hgave him the buid-ness. bryman 1, fat man 0)

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Do I get any residuals from that, since I created the “Cashman’s inner monologue” character? I feel I should.

          • jsbrendog

            a residual shout out haha a foot note if you will

  • Ivan

    Awwwwwww Mannnn. CC Lets go. Im fuckin hyped right now.

  • Reggie C.

    Joel Sherman broke the story. Congrats Joel. Joel wrote some really good stuff this past season, so its nice to see a New Yorker break it.

    We can all sigh easier. Unfortunately, now i’ve got to listen to gammons and steve philips make the rounds.

  • Mike

    List of things left to do…
    Sign:
    Tex (18mil)
    Pettite (12 mil)
    Sheets (14 mil)
    Juan Rivera (2 mil)
    Bullpen arm or 2 (2-4 mil)

    Total spent 50 million more per year

    Winning championships the next two years…priceless

    • Relaunch

      Why do they need a bullpen arm or 2? Did you not watch and see the success they had last year?

      • Mike

        joba is a starter
        farnsworth is gone

        There was the 7th and 8th inning for the first half of the year. I think they need one more arm to make things stretch out a little. who knows farnsworth was not terrible last year…

        • Mike Pop

          We can get those arms through the system. 7th and 8th go to Bruney, Marte, Melancon eventually.. Guys like that.. No need to spend money on that area

          • Mike

            I just we have some depth, but quality arms are always important to a postseason run. It makes the game get shorter plus I feel that the pen is not our strength. With the amount they seem ready to spend, why not is all I am saying!

        • Chris

          Bullpen as it stands now:

          Rivera
          Marte
          Bruney
          Veras
          Ramirez
          Coke
          Aceves

          Robertson
          Albaladejo
          Melancon
          Britton

          There really isn’t a need to sign more bullpen arms.

          • A.D.

            No if anything the Yanks should be looking to move bullpen arms

            • Mike

              I mean ok, we have depth, but do we have a dominate combination? I thin probably not. There are better options available, and we have the funding to go get some of them. Thats all I am saying. It seems Street is available and he could be a good 8th inning man for mo. Plus what would we do in case mo (heavan forbid) went down, he is getting up there.

              Adding a guy like Izzy, Hoffman or maybe smoltz would make that pen that much better. Plus I do not see one of those guys looking for the big buck, but rather the chance to win

        • JeffG

          Guise (long), or Coke, Aceves
          Ramirez
          Albalandejo
          Marte
          Bruney
          Veras
          Rivera

          … with Melancon, Sanchez, and other options i.e. Robertson I’d say we have plenty of pen.

          • jsbrendog

            geise

            • Old Ranger

              Giese.

  • mustang

    Heyman on the Yanks and Lowe:
    “The club is confident they can finalize an agreement with Lowe by the close of the meetings this week, as well. The sides were discussing a contract for four years and about $66 million.”

    Lowe is going to be making 16.5 at the age of 40. Ouch !!!!!!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Gad.

      Joe, Mike, you’re in Vegas… after Cashman wraps up the CC deal, please shoot him in the next with a tranquilizer gun to prevent us from giving Derek Lowe 4 years. Please, I beg of you.

      • mustang

        Seriously.
        Sign Sheets and Andy for less then that and move on Tex with the rest of it.

        • Rob

          Agreed with all except Tex. His prices – with the Angels and Sox in the bidding – are going to be beyond Boras-absurd.

          Swoop in an sign Manny for two or three years. It might end up being his only offer. Who else wants him?

          • Mike Pop

            Give the same deal to him as we gave to CC. He is worth it

            • Rob

              They can probably get him for less if they guarantee a third year – 3 and 60 could get it done.

              That still leaves enough to sign Sheets and Pettitte.

              • mustang

                I think he going to LA or at least I hope he is.

          • mustang

            Damn it would be so hard to cheer for Manny I still like Tex better. I think Tex might even come to NY for a little less.
            Just a feeling.

            • Rob

              For a little less? He could be looking at 8 years and 200 million between the Angels and Sox competing.

              Sorry, Manny at 60 million is a no-brainer as a contrast. Better hitter at the far better deal.

              • mustang

                Yes, but he a bigger asshole.
                Think about that guy in the same club house as A-Rod. Posada would probably kill him after three days. I just don’t want the Yanks to be left holding the bag when he can’t hit anymore.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I just don’t want the Yanks to be left holding the bag when he can’t hit anymore.

                  That’s why we give him a 3 or 4 year deal he pounds the snot out of the ball, and then he leaves, signs with the Mets, and THEY’RE left holding the bag when he can’t hit anymore.

                  The jokes practically write themselves.

    • CountryClub

      Nobody will ever make me understand the interest the Yanks have in Lowe. I agree with Mustang; 16.5 mil for Derek Lowe is laughable. He has experience in the AL East, yes, but that was 4 years ago. And his last 2 years were not good. he then went to the weak hitting NL West and pitched well. But now the Yanks, and a lot of fans, think he is going to come back to the AL East at the age of 37 and pitch better than he did 4 years ago. Remember, the Yanks wanted nothing to do with him 4 years ago. If they really have CC they should now sign Sheets to a 2 or 3 year deal. Then you sign Pettitte to a one year deal. Your rotation is CC, Wang, Sheets, Andy and Joba. And you have Hughes ready to fill in for any DL trips. Plus, with Andy and Sheets having short term deals, it makes room for Hughes and another farm pitcher to come up in the near future. Lowe or AJ would be wasted years and wasted money.

      • mustang

        Sooooo agree on all points.

      • Old Ranger

        As per “M”, I also must say good shot! 27/09.

    • Kyle

      And what I don’t understand in Heyman’s article is why there is NO mention at all of Pettitte as if the Yankees are no longer considering him?….

    • Ivan

      That contract to Lowe makes little sense period. The guy had a good season but I think the yanks are really making too much of the year Lowe and the same same can be said for Pettitte.

      I mean that’s just throwing money in a reckless manner right there. Terrible contract. I rather pay Burnett that contract before I Lowe and this is coming from a guy that is not one Burnett’s bigger fans.

      • mustang

        I second that.

        • CountryClub

          Third

      • Mike Pop

        BUT HES A BIG GAME PITCHA !!!

        I too would rather give Burnett that contract before Lowe but I am a Burnett fan

        • Ivan

          And Lowe gives ya 200+ IP, and he’s solid and he pitches great in big games, unlike Andy Pettitte….oh wait…..

          • Mike Pop

            Doh !

      • Old Ranger

        Andy back, CC and if they realy need him, I’d go with Sheets…not Lowe. Actually, I’d go for just the first two plus a danm good hitter (Player)…Tex. 27/09.

    • JeffG

      I’m trying to stretch out an hour of happiness but the Lowe news is making it hard, real hard… CC thoughts… CC thoughts…

  • Christopher

    “‘zero major road blocks’ that would prevent the Yankees from reaching agreement with the Yankees.

    I can see how the Yankees are so confident reaching an agreement with themselves.

  • Joe

    ESPN just changed from CC Accepts Offer From Yankees….to CC Close to deal with yankees

  • MrJigginz

    7 years and 160 million…wow.

  • stewman23

    7 year/160 million deal, according to espn, via Olney

    • Reggie C.

      Hmm. I don’t know how I feel about it. I’m not smiling anymore.

      • Rob

        Well, it’s a better AAV than 6/140.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Hmm. I don’t know how I feel about it. I’m not smiling anymore.

        I still am.

  • Joe

    wwhere you see that?

    • stewman23

      ESPN Sportscenter

  • mustang

    Ken Rosenthal :

    “Free-agent left-hander CC Sabathia has reached agreement with the Yankees on a seven-year contract worth approximately $160 million, according to a major- league source.”

    I guess Amber want another year and 20 million more.
    What a woman !!!!!!!!

    • Mike Pop

      She negotiated the extra 20 mill lol

      • mustang

        Just the idea that she did that makes her hot.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Meh, I don’t know if she’s “hot”, but she’s not ugly.

          http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2007/07/04/ho_sabathia09.jpg

          I’ll go with “solid”. You’d hit it, and you wouldn’t be embarrassed about it in the least, but you wouldn’t brag about it.

          She’s like a top-notch utility infielder. Wilson Betemit with a passable glove.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            http://blog.cleveland.com/pdworld/2007/10/wives.jpg

            On second thought… Nah, I’ll pass. I retract my statement. She’s not Wilson Betemit, more like Shelly Duncan.

          • mustang

            If she just bag you a extra 20 million her looks just improved.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Good point. There’s a lot of excellent plastic surgeons in Manhattan.

    • JeffG

      Nice one.

  • pat

    Gotta pass that physical. Otherwise, happy days boys and girls.

  • Reggie C.

    CC will turn 36 in that 7th season. Errgh…

    • MrJigginz

      36 is not 40…if that makes you feel better… :-)

      • Mike Pop

        7 years is wild but worth it !

    • mustang

      They overpaid, but they got him and you still have the youth movement developing can’t beat that.

    • daneptizl

      He’d actually turn 35…

  • Yankeegirl49

    Im not thrilled with 7 years, but they did what they had to.

    • jsbrendog

      if by the 6th or 7th year he is a 4th or 5th starter at woprst it should not be a problem seeing as how hughes and joba project to top the rotation for years to come starting at some point during his long contract. All youre really looking for is 4 or 5 years of dominance and then he should be able to slide into the back end….imagine wit me if cc sustains his dominance for 4 or 5 years and in the 2nd yr of his contract joba dn hughes finally live pu to their potential….that’s scary…

      • Mike Pop

        Plus Brackman and Deliin’s potential. It is not a stretch to say we could have the best rotation in the league in 2011 or so.

        • Ivan

          and tallest.

          • jsbrendog

            haha

  • Mike Pop

    How many game does CC win in his Yankee career ?

    100 ?

    • Chip

      I’ll go 135, I think they extend him after the 6 or 7 years which is why I’m completely ok with 7 years

  • MrJigginz

    I don’t mind the 7 years…He’s young enough to take that chance with.Actually,if the 7-160 is accurate,it’s costing the yankees less annually than the 6-140 deal.(Unless my abacus is broken.If that is the case,then…STUPID ABACUS!!!)

  • Ken

    Pick 2

    A. Burnett 4-5 yr
    B. Lowe 4yr.
    C. Sheets 2yr.
    D. Petitte 1yr.

    I’m going to lean toward Burnett he is AL East battle tested. No Lowe because he would be an run of the mill AL #4 starter. Pettite or Sheets? If Andy has any arm issues definitely Sheets and is Andy ready to take a nose dive in his career? If we take Sheets for two years when is Hughes going to make the rotation? Do we take Sheets, Petitte, and Burnett and move Joba back to the bull pen? Is Hughes going to get traded for a stud center fielder? Will they just extend offers to all 4 and pick the ones are the most reasonable contracts?

    • Mike Pop

      I take C and D for the less than the price of A or B..

      • Old Ranger

        I could get with that program too. Although I like the idea of only one. Give the young guns a chance to make it out of ST. We would have CC, CMW, Joba, FA, Phil/Andy, with C, D,…which isn’t to shabby. I like it! 27/09.

    • CountryClub

      C & D. Two good pitchers who don’t tie you up long term.

      • A.D.

        The short deals allow spaces to open as young guys develop

        • Mike Pop

          Especially considering the young arms we have

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Co-sign all three of you. C and D, Pettitte and Sheets on short-term, low-risk deals, and instead of going all in on Burnett and Lowe, go all in on one of the Tex/Manny/Dunn troika.

    • JeffG

      Burnett and Pettitte although the more I think about it I wouldn’t mind substiting Sheets for Pettitte.
      The whole idea of giving Lowe 66mil is killing me. That soft crap he throws is going to get hammered once he comes back to the AL East. Burnette and Sheets are risks for going down but at least they have the stuff when healthy. Pluse we have good back ups in Hughes, Aceves, and Coke.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      C & D–it’s the cheapest and the shortest commitments. It also leaves room to sign a bat–Adam Dunn.

  • Bryan

    All I can say is about time! Enough waiting already, lol.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      HOLY FUCK THIS BURRITO IS SO TASTY I’M SO GLAD I WAITED FOR IT TO COOK IN THAT MICROWAVE!!!!!!!!!!!

      • UWS

        I was wondering when this was going to show up. Well done.

        TSJC, coming through in the clutch, as always.

  • Chip

    So now we just have to wait until the Rule V draft is done for them to announce it. Maybe they’ll have a joint CC/Sheets press conference, that’d be something

  • jsbrendog

    EVERYONE WHO WAS LIKE OH MOVE ON HE DOESNT WANT TO BE A YANKEE BLAH AND SPOUTING THAT BULLSHIT CAN BLOW ME!

    oh yeah, and i was right. told you so.

    • Mike Pop

      Alot of us told them so !!!

    • RichYF

      Easy there killer. What good would opinions do if we all agreed? This blog would be useless.

      Mike Pop: Aye, chap, that CC fellow is quite good no?
      jsbrendog: Yes, indeed.
      Ivan: Yes, yes he is.
      RichYF: Quite excellent.
      Ben K.: Best FA available.
      etc etc etc.

      100 posts of agreement would leave no room for stats, disagreements, arguments and the like. People back up arguments with data and stats to prove their case. “This is why I’m right and you’re wrong.” If we’re all in agreement, we don’t learn anything about other sides of the argument!

      • jsbrendog

        except when people who were spouting said bullshit mentioned above had no stats or facts to bakc it up and ha dno idea wtf they were talking about and were just being impatient tools becauise they’re tired of htiting refresh instead of gloating at the water cooler at work.

        \boom

        • RichYF

          Like I said, calm down. I wanted CC from the get-go and I wasn’t convinced that he refused to play in NYC.

          That being said, you’re the one gloating now. It’s good to have disagreements, I assure you. You’re just a little too fired up about it.

          • jsbrendog

            nope, most definiyely not. everyone who made the uninformed decision he didn’t want to be a yankee because they listened to francesca or whoever the else made those things up is easily swayed by the masses and should there fore be weeded out of society since there was no eivdence to prove this point. disagreements are good. yes. but have you ever had a disagreement with someone who’s “opinion” is not only nto rooted in fact but makes so little sense because it is pure conjecture on their part, they who know nothing of the subjectnor what anyone involved with the tiopic thinks feels or expects? cc didnt take a big contract because he doesnt want to play in ny. yeah sure. this isn’t don mattingly is a hall of famer debate or who is better arod or pujols, those are discussions, disagreements met with stats and opinions, “move on cause cc obviously doesnt want to be ayankee” neither makes sense or is obvious

            • JeffG

              Wholly shit man – If sources are correct we bid well over what any team was going to give him. The only real offer I heard was the Brewers 100mil and we went 60 over that so I’d say there was a feeling CC wasn’t jumping at NY.

              Anyways, just to set the record straight, I never said anything but CC is our man. To me this signing was top priority all the way. Just think your reaction is a bit out of whack.

              Who gives a shit though we’re going to have one of, if not the best rotation next year, so get excited for 09.

              • mustang

                THANK YOU

      • Mike Pop

        Haha

  • Ivan

    Well CC is 160 Million dollar richer.

    PS: Could the yanks come to their senses and not sign Lowe period must less to that contract.

    • Mike Pop

      Cant wait to hear that fat fuck Francesca today..

      • Ivan

        If my math is correct, CC will be makin about 23M per year.

        See, you knew CC would sign, cuz often times Francesca moronic thinking is the opposite of whats gonna happen.

  • CountryClub

    I never had a problem with CC taking his time to make this decision. It was the smart business move. But why in the world would the Yanks add a 7th year when it appeared that no other teams even came close to the 140 mil the Yanks originally offered him. For everyone out there wanting to know why he stalled, the 7th year is it. The Yanks have been too eager to bid against themselves in recent years (Arod, Posada and now CC).

    • Chip

      You know, he essentially got the 6/140 plus a 1/20 contract. If they front-load his contract (which would be smart considering they have a flexible payroll right now) the end years might not be too bad a bargain. I mean right now they’re talking about giving Lowe who is 36 a four year 60 million dollar deal. Have CC at 20 million that season might not be outlandish in 7 years

  • Pat Moran

    $160 million over 7 years????

  • thisisthedavid

    yessss now we just need sheets and tex

  • Ivan

    I can’t fuckin wait for the press conference when CC put on his 10XL Yankee shirt and his size 20 yankee hat.

    Christmas came early didn’t it?

    Go Yankees.

    • Mike Pop

      Geez, don’t jizz your pants man

      • Chip

        I ate a grape and I…….jizzed in my pants!

        Justin Timberlake has to keep making cameos on SNL, I love it

      • Ivan

        lol.

        You know whats great about this signing? It has nothing to do with baseball. The fact that now that CC is a yank, it helps the Knick chances of gettin LeBron. You think Im excited now, just wait 2 years later.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Ivan, you know what’s truly hilarious? Listening to nervous Lakers and Celtics fans try and convince Knicks fans (and themselves) that BronBron isn’t going to come here. I was in a bar last night with this girl from LA and she’s trying to tell me why Bron’s going to stay in Cleveland. I’m like “You know you sound foolish right now, right?”

          They’re on top of the world, and they’re still nervous that they need to start winning rings now before Bron hits NYC and changes the whole game.

          It’s sad.

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  • CountryClub

    Someone please explain to me why the Yanks refuse to sign Andy to a 1 yr deal for 16 mil,but are inches away from signing Lowe to a 4 yr deal worth more than 16 mil per year. How does that make any sense?

    • Ron

      Because the Yanks are in the drivers seat w/ Pettitte and are not w/ Lowe. Andy made an egregious negotating blunder when he said he’d play for the Yankees or retire. There is now tremendous pressure on Andy to accept the $10 mil offer, because there may not be a job for him if he waits too long.

      • CountryClub

        This may be true. But they are making a bad baseball & financial decision. It would make more sense if Pettitte was also asking for 4 years, but he’s not.

    • Kayp

      Andy wasnt that good this year for the yanks especially in the 2nd half, and its a small paycut of 6 mil. He kept leavin his cutter right down middle of the plate, curve and change werent that effective. Remember how he is supposed to be dominate in the month of august like he has been his whole career but that didnt happen this yr, so he could be on the decline. So 10 mil w/ incentives wouldnt be a bad contract.

      • Ed

        6 million isn’t a small paycut, it’s 37.5%. I don’t care how much you make, 37.5% is a big deal.

    • MOOSE

      Because Pettite was awful for most of last year and has a lengthy history of medical issues. Lowe never gets hurt, pitches consistently 200 innings/year, and has pitched great the past 3 years.

      Thtas why.

  • Chip

    Now I just hope we lock up Sheets and Pettite.

    BTW, I was looking at Sheet’s career numbers and how did he not compete for the Cy Young this season?
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#NLcya

    He had a better K/9, BB/9, ERA+, IP, WHIP and ERA than Clemens. How everybody just looks at wins is beyond me (of course, Clemens had better numbers the next season and came in third so I guess it’s a dog-eat-dog world)

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Because probably half of all MLB awards given (Cy Young, MVP, RoY) are horribly, horribly fucked up and flawed, and the best man frequently doesn’t win?

      Because baseball writers are idiots?

  • Marcus

    This is a great time for a victory jog. Anyone want to join me?

    Forest Gump? Rocky? Greg Genske?

    • kimonizer

      Wade Boggs on a horse?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Wade Boggs on a horse?

        Wade Boggs having some chicken and sex?

        Wade Boggs = Champ Kind

  • Kayp

    Finally CC is with us, i watched it on Mike & Mike in the morning and was pumped up. I went to the nypost and read the comments on the CC agreeing to play for the Yanks and the Red sox, rays and some other team fans have already started bashing the yanks for spendin a lot of money, and not buildin from withing. Stupid igorants F***s. Can’t stand them.

  • mustang

    CC:
    “He’s now excited about becoming a Yankee,” a source told Olney.

    NO SHIT. At 7 years 160 million you better be.

    So much for Hank’s statement last year about not paying a pitcher for 7 years.

    • CountryClub

      I dont like the 7th year. But what can you do. I’d rather give him 7 than give AJ 5.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Shit, I’d rather give him EIGHT than A.J. five.

  • steve (different one)

    you know, most people accepted that $140M/6 was not the Yankees final offer and most people probably wanted them to go to $150M/6 if they had to.

    so they added another year.

    sometimes you have to overpay for elite talent.

    and CC is elite.

    • Stryker

      exactly.

      the santana extension was a lot of money and a lot of years. while this makes cc a nice chunk of change, adding that 7th year actually brings the AAV DOWN by about a half a mil. assuming the contract is spread out evenly (not front or back loaded) the 2009 and 2010 seasons are really the only ones where sabathia stands to make more money than johan. and it’s not even by THAT much money – only 2.8 mil in 09 and 1.8 mil in 2010 (although both men will make more money in their careers then most of us will ever see in multiple lifetimes haha). in 2011 their contracts kind of balance out, both will stand to make 22 million. santana will be making more than cc (again assuming that the contract is the same each year) in the 2012, 2013, and 2014 seasons.

      i’d even go out on a limb and say that sabathia is actually better than santana. obviously there are questions about someone of that size holding up for 7 years – but let’s be honest here. cc most likely won’t be throwing complete games every 5 days with the yankees. you have to believe that that will help to preserve his arm for some time.

      • Ed

        At least the odds of a big guy like CC holding up for 7 years are better than the odds of a small guy like Pedro Martinez.

  • mustang

    Did the Mets sign somebody yesterday ?

    ( Couldn’t help it.)
    HEEEE

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Who the fuck are the “Mets”?

  • daneptizl

    Anyone hear Gammons on ESPN…..: Theo Epstein met with CC to let him know how much he thought of him. He let him know how much he admired what he did for his team… He praised his willingness to pitch for his team despite the dangers to his arm… He wanted to let him know how much he respected him… Fin.

    • jsbrendog

      how much he respected him. in a yankees uniform haha

  • Mike C

    7 years is a long long time. I hope reports are wrong and it’s a option year or something. I do think we really need CC so I guess we had to do what we had to do. Now lets get Sheets for 2 or 3 years. Forget Burnett, no way he is worth 5 years. CC, Wang, Sheets, Joba is a sick 1-4. thats like having 4 aces on your team

    • Stryker

      it’s looking like they’re pretty close to signing lowe. i really don’t understand that logic.

      they can throw 16 mil at lowe but not pettitte?!

      • Mike C

        Was never a fan of Lowe. I know he is a different pitcher now but he was never great in the AL – that worries me…and to be locked in for 4/5 years…dont think its a good idea. I think Sheets is a much better risk/reward at 2 or 3 years.

      • Brian

        Lowe is a horrible option in the AL East. Bottom of the rotation guy for sure. I’d rather over-pay Pettitte at the bottom of the rotation.

  • Brian

    I genuinely think he’s overrated, but the smart move now is to try and get Sheets signed quickly.

    The Braves/Sox/you mom/Phillies are going to bid up AJ Burnett and Lowe beyond what they’re worth very quickly.

    After we get Sheets, then Cash should look to trade away an outfielder.

    • Mike C

      Sheets is so much younger too. I dont get it. Lowe is the about same age as Pettite and they are going to give him 4 years? He doesnt deserve 1, let alone 4.

  • Old Ranger

    I really hate to post this one…
    I was one of those that stated we don’t need CC. I still believe that, it is great to have him on the team but, we didn’t HAVE to HAVE him.
    I always thought going after one of the better of the other pitchers plus Tex would help the team more then tying up all that money on one guy, for a long time. Still think that way but again, I am happy we have him. 27/09.

    • Stryker

      that’s sound reasoning old ranger. re-signing pettitte, signing sheets and a b-level pitcher (wolf perhaps) in addition to tex would have filled out that team nicely.

      i hope cashman isn’t finished and adds someone like adam dunn. i don’t know if it’s reasonable to expect strong bounce backs from swisher, cano, posada, and matsui while losing giambi and abreu – two of the stronger offensive players we had.

      i can see expecting something out of 2 of those guys – but all 4? i really hope we add another bat.

      • Old Ranger

        Four guys bouncing back? Maybe, conversely, who would have thought almost the whole team would underachieve in 2008. With bad years and injuries, this team struggled to win 89 games. We could use a solid middle of the order bat…Manny, is not one I would be in favor of but, I may be in the minority here. 27/09.

  • Marsha

    RAB scoops the NY Times but almost 3 hours. From the Times website right now:

    Yankees and Sabathia Near a Deal 1 minute ago.

  • Stryker

    well goddammit!!

    10:14am: Tim Brown and Gordon Edes of Yahoo report that the deal is for $161MM over seven years (which would top Johan’s average annual value). The deal has an opt-out clause after the first three years, which are worth $69MM.

    officially a dumb contract for the yankees. cc raped us big time.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      officially a dumb contract for the yankees. cc raped us big time.

      WHY THE FUCK IS MY BURRITO TAKING THIS LONG TO COOK IN THIS MICROWAVE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • Troy

    Late question, what site has a good scouting on CC, where he is today and how his pitching has developed over his career?

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    There’s an opt-out clause in the contract; it splits the deal into 3/69 and 4/92.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-sabathiayankees121008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns&expire=1

  • AD

    You know whats even a little more sweeter today than CC signing with the Yanks… is watching Peter Gammons and Jayson Stark ahving to back track on all of their $hitty reporting throughout the winter meetings.

    I also love hearing all of the bitter Indians fans calling into to radio shows and wishing ill will on the Yanks and Sabs…. Enjoy Cliff Lee and the 22 wins he will get for the rest of his career….

  • Peedlum

    I love the opt out. CC is unlikely to completely fall off the cliff over the next 3 years and he will likely opt out. At that point, someone else can pay for his decline or the yanks can have the atm with foul poles provide some extra cash. In the meantime, the Yanks get to bring their young arms along slowly and see what they have. I’m neither a cash lover not hater, but i think the opt out is pure genius. the only potential downside is disastrous injury or horrible performance, but that’s always the risk that you take.

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