Friday evening notes: Bernie and Scott Proctor

Open Thread: Evil Empire strikes again
When does too much become too much?

A few notes to keep us busy as Friday evening turns into Saturday morning (and my studying for my contracts final gets more and more boring):

  • A few hours ago, we talked about Bernie and the WBC. Now, it sounds as though Bernie is going to make a serious run for the team. For the first time since 2006, Bernie is going to don his baseball uniform and play for the Carolina Giants of the Puerto Rico Winter League. I really hope this is simply a tune-up for the WBC and not the beginning of a Major League comeback attempt for the 40-year-old Bernie.
  • The injured Scott Proctor was non-tendered by the Dodgers. Somewhere, Joe Torre is crying into his green tea. What ever will he do without his favorite toy next season?
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Open Thread: Evil Empire strikes again
When does too much become too much?
  • DanElmaleh

    I thought Torre drank wheat grass now.

    • Steve

      He drinks the blood of relief pitchers.

      • http://www.workwithpete.com Pete

        +1,258

        • Mike Pop

          Funny

  • Steve

    It will really be a kick to see Bernie play again.

    Hey if Luis Polonia can still do it, then why not?

  • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

    Somehow Scotty managed to strike out more than 10 per 9 innings with a bum elbow.

    • Steve

      “I’ve seen guys pitch with NO ligaments!”-Omar Minaya

  • TurnTwo

    FYI: looks like Daniel Cabrera and Ty Wiggington were both non-tendered by their respective teams.

    one would imagine they’ll be picked up pretty quick in the open market.

    • Thomas

      Johnny Gomes was non-tendered. We should sign him and have him fight Shelley for a place on the 40 man roster.

    • Steve

      Daniel Cabrera could make a very interesting reliever. Tall and wild enough to be intimidating, throws hard enough to strike guys out.

      Also, maybe if he drops a pitch or two he has better control. I’d take a shot, his upside is huge.

      • K.B.D.

        Yeah, but is he willing to take a contract as a reliever? I say doubtful, as it means less money for him immediately.

    • Brian

      Ty Wigginton may be snagged as well.

  • DanElmaleh

    I actually would rather see the Yankees pick up Tavares than trade for Cameron. I love contact guys who can steal bases. Am I crazy?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Yes. Taveras is terrible. He’s got a career OBP of .331 and a career OPS+ of 72 which includes two years in Colorado. While I realize Cameron’s career OBP is .340, at least he has power and isn’t a complete waste of a lineup spot like Taveras.

    • Thomas

      Yes, you are crazy. Willy Taveras had an OPS of .604 or an OPS+ of 56 last year. His career OPS+ is 72. Oh yeah, his slugging was .296 last year at Coors.

      He is awful, essential he is Brett Gardner, if Gardner never got on base.

      He was worse than Melky.

    • Steve H

      Cameron’s OPS+ the last 4 years 114, 121, 103, 110. You might be crazy, Taveras is terrible.

    • al

      yes you are crazy. hes worse than melky and costs more..

    • Steve

      Cameron will likely be platooning with Gardner. Look at his splits vs lefties.

      http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2008

      .951 OPS, you can live w/that. Plus, he’s a good late inning threat off the bench.

      • Steve H

        I’m rooting for Gardner. But if Cameron comes here, he’s starting 140+ games, not 35 against lefties.

        • Steve

          Not saying a strict lefty/righty thing, obviously match ups will decide who plays and when.

          But Gardner will get 400 ABs. Start 3 days in CF, 1 day in LF when Damon needs a day off, late inning defensive replacement, stuff like that. He’ll see plenty of playing time.

          • whozat

            Gardner will get late-innings defensive time, and when Cameron/Damon/Nady need a day off. If he shows anything during that time, then he’ll earn more ABs. But they’re not going to acquire Cameron to play him half-time.

            • Steve

              Why not? He’s 36, and if you look at his splits he shouldn’t play everyday at this point.

              Also, the manager LOVES Gardner. Always gives him some credit for the good september record they had in 08.

              • whozat

                Because Gardner will be lucky to sniff an 80 OPS+.

                Look, he walked a lot in the minors, but also struck out a lot. And it’s not because he was swinging hard and hoping to drive the ball. What that tells me is that he was taking lots of pitches and hoping to get walked. That’s going to happen a LOT less in the bigs. Pitchers have better command, and nastier stuff. He can’t hurt them swinging, so they’ll pound the zone. He’ll get walks off guys who don’t know where it’s going, but he’s not going to get on base enough to really use his speed, and he’s not going to drive the ball enough to put himself on 2nd or 3rd very often.

                That’s why I don’t think Brett Gardner should be starting over Mike Cameron. Even a .700 OPS against righties is better than what I think Gardner will do. His skill set just doesn’t seem like it’ll translate.

                • Steve

                  If you’re looking at OPS, you’re looking at the wrong stat. He’s not that type of player, he’s a tablesetter. I only care about OBP, Runs Scored and to a lesser extent SB. If he’s getting on base, and catching balls he has no business getting in CF, then he can help the team win games, especially low scoring ones against tough pitchers. Which the Yanks fared poorly in 2008.

                  I agree the strikeouts are a concern, but if he gets on base at a .350 clip or better then I don’t care.

                • LeftyLarry

                  Gardner was a different hitter 2nd time around.Yanks did a good job getting him to stop slapping and start using his legs.Throw out the first go around and assume the last 40 at bats were real.
                  Heck first item around they were playing ihm like a bad hitting pitcher, 2nd time around he drove one over the CF’s head that carried over 400 feet.
                  Different guy when he uses his legs.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  You’re talking 40 ABs. You can’t evaluate him on that.

                • Sweet Dick Willie

                  but if he gets on base at a .350 clip or better then I don’t care

                  If Cash thought he could get on base at a .350 clip, he wouldn’t spend $10 mil and Melky to get Cameron.

                • whozat

                  “If you’re looking at OPS”

                  Didja read the rest of the comment? I said this:

                  “but he’s not going to get on base enough to really use his speed, and he’s not going to drive the ball enough to put himself on 2nd or 3rd very often”

                  Does that sound like I wasn’t thinking about his OBP? I wrote at length about why I don’t think he’ll rack up the walks in the bigs. And, I don’t think anyone serious sees him as a .300 hitter in the majors. He was a .280 hitter in AAA. If he hits .260, he’ll be lucky. He’ll need to earn 90 more points of OBP by walking to get to the .350 plateau you’ve set. And, I agree…if he could get on base that much he’d be a fine starting CFer.

                  But I don’t think that has a realistic chance of happening.

                • Steve

                  His career OBP in the minors is .389. So I don’t think a MLB .350 OBP is being overly optimistic. Might be a bit light, actually.

                  http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....dner.shtml

                  Were talking about the #9 hitter, people.

    • LeftyLarry

      GArdner can be a CONTACT GUY WHO STEALS BASES.Give him A CHANCE.

      • K.B.D.

        GIVE your SHIFT KEY a BREAK.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        If he doesn’t get on base or produce at a league average rate, he’s not making the Yankees better. Don’t be blinded by speed.

  • al

    any chance the yanks pick up proctor on a minor league deal. i thought he did pretty good in the begining of some seasons before torre had his way with him..

    • http://everythingbaseball.wordpress.com Aaron

      Why bother? We have enough young arms in-house that there is no need to throw any kind of money towards Proctor. Middle relief is really not an area of huge concern right now for the Yankess, in my opinion.

      • Marcus

        Ha. We should have a top 5 relief staff in the league next year.

        Our relief should have no worries even with a few injuries.

        I love our relief staff. Only positive to watch last year. Besides Mussina finally gettin some love. That 20 win season will push him into the HOF.

        • Mike Pop

          Id take gambles on a guy like Saito though.. For a mill or so, he is worth it

  • Reggie C.

    Don’t ignore the UCC stuff!!

    Royals are going to kick themselves for giving that contract to Farnsworth. Proctor is going to have a superior year. I wonder where he lands….

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I have a law and economics guy as my prof. He’s all about the UCC.

      • Reggie C.

        my prof loved to talk transactions based on fridges and widgets. that’s all i remember …

  • VO

    forget camerone forget melky etc SIGN BERNIE!!! in reality im joking but best of luck to him

  • Steve

    OK, Britton and Justian Christian are gone to make room for CC/AJ. The Yanks still need a 5th starter, who will likely be Sheets or Pettitte.

    Who do you take off the 40 man to make room?

    http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy

    Remember that this usually means they get non tendered, like Britton and Christian just were.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      That’s an easy one. Who’s the 29-year-old no-field, hardly hit guy on that list with 148 MLB PAs and a .299 OBP? Shelley Duncan, step on down. It’s your turn to play Designated for Assignment.

      He’ll be gone next.

    • Steve H

      Smelley Shelley

    • Steve

      Steven Jackson is just screaming at me, but I’d still cut Shelly Duncan.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Well, someone’s gotta go after the Yanks sign Pettitte/Sheets. And then someone else will have to go when the Yanks sign Manny, right?

        • Steve

          I know Hanks wants him, and as far as Hank getting what he wants . . . . . well, there’s a first time for everything, I suppose.

          • Mike Pop

            Idd love for this to be the 1st time

            • Steve

              You a virgin?

              • Mike Pop

                At 11:52 I was, but Im not anymore

                • Steve

                  You should change you name to “Mike Cherry-Pop”

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Mazel!

                • Mike Pop

                  Mike”I HAD SEX…FINALLY” Pop

                • Mike Pop

                  Mike”ITS ABOUT DAMN TIME” Pop

                  is another one

    • http://everythingbaseball.wordpress.com Aaron

      I’d say it’s got to be either Duncan or Patterson. Duncan is the more likely option, however.

      Weren’t there rumors last summer about Oakland having interest in Duncan? Couldn’t we simply trade him for a low level prospect of some kind rather than simply cutting him loose for Beane to sign?

      • http://everythingbaseball.wordpress.com Aaron

        Excuse me, I meant Jackson, not Patterson.

        • Steve

          Austin?

          • http://everythingbaseball.wordpress.com Aaron

            Stephen.

            • Steve

              *whew!*

              • K.B.D.

                Austin Jackson’s not on the 40-man, so DFA’ing him was never really a threat.

                • Steve

                  I was kidding.

                • K.B.D.

                  My b.

      • Steve H

        Considering Duncan’s OBP, or lack thereof, I cannot see the A’s having an interest.

        • Steve

          Who needs OBP when you’re busy sliding into 2b spikes up?

          • Mike Pop

            Or breaking chick’s forearms

    • K.B.D.

      Shelley needs to go simply because his celebrations with others with inevitably end with him shattering someone’s forearm.

  • Mike Pop

    I didnt wanna say I told ya so, but I told all of you us signing Burnett was invevitable.. Not braggging or anything lol cause it was nothing to brag about.. But I told all ya’ll

    • K.B.D.

      Will you notify us if anything you predict doesn’t come to fruition? It’s gotta be a two way street.

      • Mike Pop

        He wins 84 games in his yankee career with an era of 3.67 and 1000 k’s

        • Ivan

          Well I too said he was gonna be yankee even though I didn’t want him to be.

          Nevertheless, the rotation has the potential to look dope and might look even better if Pettitte sign or could even have more talent if they add Hughes to the rotation. Either way, I gotta admit, Burnett is gonna help this team.

          • Mike Pop

            Not gonna lie, I will most likely get his jersey and I def wont miss his starts…I wanna see him k 11 or 12 guys and completely dominate a game.. Def looking forward to it

            • Ivan

              We all know you love ya self some Burnett.

              Now if he sucks, you gotta admit it makes ya look bad.

              • Mike Pop

                I hope he does well. Im so excited for the season though its ridiculous.

                If it makes me look bad cause he suck, Ill start commenting under the name of CC4EVA! as long as he does well.. haha

  • Marcus

    This stinks.

    Britton was one of my favorite relievers.

    • http://incumbentgm.wordpress.com The Third Yip-Yip, Formerly the Yankee Clipper

      I just love his leg kick — always kneed himself in the belly.

  • al

    wheres 65hughes with his peavy comments

    • 65hughes

      why are you asking for me? you want i peavy update

      • al

        yes you havent given any good peavy comment on this thread..

        • 65hughes

          youre right not an awhile but well you asked for it

        • 65hughes
          • al

            old news.. how about a rumor.. melky, igawa, gardner, s duncan for peavy.. or how great peavy is..

            • 65hughes

              nah gotta complement cashman on the “great sign” of the “workhorse” that is AJ Burnett

              • al

                for 3.5 seasons.

                • 65hughes

                  you dont think he will finish his contract? yeah me neither

                • Mike Pop

                  I bet ya Peavy ends up on the DL before AJ does during the season

                • al

                  quoting “meatloaf” 3 outta 5 aint bad..

                • al

                  or is it 2 out of 3 aint bad.. long contract..

                • 65hughes

                  i just dont see burnett haging around ny to long

  • Mike Pop

    Any chance Torre ruins Broxton ? WOuld be a shame

    • 65hughes

      i think he already did when he gave up thath bomb to stairs

  • Mike Pop

    I hope AJ throws a no no with about 5 or 6 walks instead of 9

    • al

      i hope aj has 27 so against the redsox..