Dec
26

Friday evening open thread

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It’s a quiet day for baseball news. The Yanks’ Front Office is shut after a wildly successful December, and most of baseball is quiet for Christmas. Use this thread to discuss anything you wish. Just play nicer than India and Pakistan right now.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Dan

    Please:

    No Manny and all the baggage that comes with him
    No Adam Dunn and sub-par defense and too many strikeouts
    No more talk about Johnnie Damon in centerfield. If only there was a way to get him to full time DH!

    We got rid of Gimbi and Abreu and are only about 10 months away from saying goodbye to Hideki and Johnnie. Thats a lot to look forward to.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Where do we think Adam Dunn will land now? If Washington was willing to spend so big on Tex, will they do the same for Dunn? I don’t think he’ll stay in Arizona.

      Maybe Oakland splurges for a year? I think they’ll probably choose between Dunn and Giambi.

      • Ryan S.

        I think Dunn could get a nice deal from Washington, and Oakland makes sense for the guy too actually. I’m getting the feeling the market is still going to be pretty good to Adam Dunn in terms of him getting some good contract. I don’t think he’s the type of player the Angels want, and he doesn’t merit Boston moving around their team like they would’ve for Tex, so I think Dunn makes a big splash in a smaller market.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          I think the Angels SHOULD take a look at him. They’ve lost out on CC and Tex, they’ve stated they don’t want Manny…If they think they’ll get more out of Garret Anderson (if they bring him back) as their DH than they would Adam Dunn, then they’re obviously horribly misguided.

          Hunter, Vlad, and….Mike Napoli? can’t carry the team offensively.

          • Joey H

            K-Rod too.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              That won’t hurt them as much as everyone thinks. Shields and Arredondo will do fine in the closer’s role.

      • A.D.

        I read somewhere on MLBTR that the Orioles might be interested.

        He could fit a lot of places where a team needs some power

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Hmm, I don’t know if he’d fit there, unless they want to put him at 1B or they want Huff to move there full time. The OF is probably already set with Scott/Jones/Markakis.

          • A.D.

            Chances are Huff goes to first, or Scott just doesn’t get playing time, since he pretty much tanked after a hot start

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              Well, his OPS was .808 in the first half and .807 in the second so. But, yeah, I’d much rather play Dunn over Scott but I don’t know the O’s would agree.

    • 27 this year

      Why does everyone what Damon to DH? He is great hitter with speed and plays a good LF. His only flaw is his arm which isn’t a big deal is left? Why does everyone look at him as just a guy with a bad arm? He is great at every other aspect adn is one of the best LF in the game.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        He is a good defensive LF. I’d like to keep him there if possible…but his defense in CF wouldn’t be so awful that it would take away from an OF alignment of Nady/Damon/Swish because that’s clearly the best offensive way the team could go.

    • greg

      Whats the obsession with making Damon a full-time DH? He’s an average to above average left fielder.

      • greg

        woops didnt see this was already addressed

        • Bruno

          Dunn = Cubs RF.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            Hmm, is he on their radar screen? I thought it was basically between Abreu and Bradley. Dunn would rake in Wrigley, though.

      • steve (different one)

        the only argument i could see is that he will stay healthier as the DH.

        but yeah, his defense in LF is above average.

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          but yeah, his defense in LF is above average second only to Carl Crwaford in MLB according to range-centric defensive metrics.

          Fixed.

          • A.D.

            Carl Crawford = UZR god

  • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

    Shouldn’t be too hard to play nicer than them.

    • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com/ VO

      have you seen these boards lately?

  • kenthadley

    with the fragility of starting pitching, I think we are bringing somebody in if not Andy…..any ideas?…..I dont see them going into the season with Joba and an open #5…….I think they really want to have an AAA starting staff filled to the brim with MLB futures, which predicates having a vet as #5 to start the season…

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I’d rather just bring back Pettitte for one year, that way a spot can open up for Hughes to be in the rotation full time next year. I want the 09 rotation to be:

      CC
      Wang
      AJ
      Andy
      Hughes/Chamberlain

      • A.D.

        If the Yanks are going to bring someone else in, I also think it should be Pettitte.

        So either what we have or Andy

      • That guy

        Counting out Burnett already?

        • That guy

          Duhh..AJ..lol nvm

  • kenthadley

    agreed, but if not Andy, then who?

    • Ryan S.

      If we don’t get Andy, and if you really really want a veteran, Randy Wolf might be an option if he hasn’t signed yet. Personally, I’d just as soon give a chance to a prospect if we don’t get Pettitte.

      If I’m not mistaken, Aceves is good for 200+ inning, and IPK should be good for 190+ innings, making those 2 the front runners in my mind. Does anyone know how many Hughes can pitch? If he’s good for 175+ than he could be in good enough condition to give him a spot, our bullpen should be good enough to make up for him and Joba’s inning limit if they can combine for 325 good ones.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I think if Andy doesn’t sign, Hughes will get a full time spot in the rotation and Chamberlain will split starts (or do tandem starts like it was said in the live chat) with either Kennedy, Coke, or Aceves.

        • Ryan S.

          Unless I’m missing something, Joba is already set in as the #5 starter. Joba is going to get skipped about once a month, but they won’t be doing any kind of tandem starts. Is Hughes good for 180+ innings? If he is, then we can fit him into the #4 hole. I know it seems ass backwards, but Joba needs to be the #5 pitcher, rotation wise, so its actually the #4 spot we’re trying to replace, even if its with a prospect that Joba is ranked above.
          Or am I wrong here? I don’t like the idea of giving Joba tandem starts, I’d rather just see him skipped over once a month.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            I see what you mean. I’d like to give Hughes a full season rather than split him w/Joba. So maybe…

            CC
            AJ
            Wang
            Hughes
            Joba/Kennedy or Aceves or Coke

            • Ryan S.

              Well keep in mind that you can skip Joba when there are days off, so that you just keep everyone on 5 day’s rest. You won’t need to depend on your #6 starter all that much in regards to making up his starts. If you do, you can always use your long man if its just for 1 start – either Aceves or Giese (whoever it ends up being) should be good enough for that.

            • Ryan S.

              In regards to my comment about, your idea to keep Hughes a the #4 could work, as long as he is good for 180+ innings. Do you happen to know what his inning limit is going to be for 2009? If its only 150, I’d give the edge to Aceves or Kennedy, who can handle a full year’s workload.

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Um, I don’t know what it is but he pitched 99.2 innings including the majors, minors, and the AFL. In 07, he pitched about 110 total so 150 could be a reasonable innings limit.

                • Ryan S.

                  So you’d have your #4 and #5 starters as guys that have both never pitched a complete season as a starter in the major leagues and are good for a maximum of 300 innings combined?

                  As great as I think both of those guys would be, I’d be more prone towards giving Aceves or Kennedy the #4 spot. They can atcarry a full season’s workload, and that counts for a lot, so at least give them the opportunity to start – you can always replace them with Phranchise during the season if it doesn’t work out.

                  Hughes can be our #6 starter still, and keep working in AAA. In 2010 he’s the front runner for the #5 spot and should be good for the demands of a full season right along with Joba.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  I don’t think Hughes in AAA will happen or do him any good. He’s got nothing left to prove in the minors. I’d prefer him to do sixth starter or even split some starts w/Joba. Kennedy or Aceves in the 4th spot would be fine, too.

                  I’m very excited for a full season of Phil Coke, too.

                • Ryan S.

                  Split starts just seem volatile and unnecessary to me. Let Joba just be a normal 5th starter and it will be easy enough to limit his innings. Hughes is only 22 years old – there is nothing wrong with letting him have a full year of AAA and makes a cameo when Burnett inevitably goes to the DL before he becomes a permanent fixture in the rotation in 2010.

                  I like the idea of Aceves as the #4 guy myself – decent enough workhorse that has good command, and he’s 26 years old, so he’s in his prime.

                • Will F.

                  Put hughes in triple a to start and let him build more confidence and refine his pitches. Bring him up for injury or late in the season. He was great in the playoffs in 2007. use him in the bullpen if need be. As we have all learned yoy can never have too many arms.

  • jeff

    i wish for andy pettite back or another pitcher for the fifth spot or for us to get manny ramirez. like stephen a smith says manny would be great for the yankees and they could still do it with cutting payroll of trading hideki or someone

    • Ryan S.

      Okay, Matsui is coming off of 2 knee surgeries so his trade value is ultra low, there’s a glut of FA DH/outfielder types out there, and he has a full NTC. He’s not the easiest guy to move. You’d have to move him + Nady/Swisher to justify Ramirez. As badass as it would be to have Manny on our team, it just doesn’t seem likely to me.

  • Matt

    If we dont sign Petitte then we should let hughes/IPK/Aceves fight it out. Personally I would rather have Hughes in as the #5 spot and Joba as the #4 spot.
    Also, why are there so many haters on Damon and Matsui. Damon is a great leadoff hitter with still some pretty good speed. Matsui’s knee should be fine considering in 07 when he had the other knee worked on that knee was fine. So I expect Matsui to come back as a quality dh guy in the 5 spot. When healthy(I think he will be) Matsui is a great dh guy who drives in a lot of runs. I think our outfield isnt that bad with damon in Left, Gardner/Cabrera in center and Nady in right, while using swisher as a utility guy

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      “If we dont sign Petitte then we should let hughes/IPK/Aceves fight it out. Personally I would rather have Hughes in as the #5 spot and Joba as the #4 spot.”

      Joba’s not going to be the #4 because he’s still going to be on an innings restriction, meaning he’ll be in the fifth spot and splitting time with someone.

      “Also, why are there so many haters on Damon and Matsui. Damon is a great leadoff hitter with still some pretty good speed. Matsui’s knee should be fine considering in 07 when he had the other knee worked on that knee was fine. So I expect Matsui to come back as a quality dh guy in the 5 spot. When healthy(I think he will be) Matsui is a great dh guy who drives in a lot of runs. I think our outfield isnt that bad with damon in Left, Gardner/Cabrera in center and Nady in right, while using swisher as a utility guy”

      Because Damon and Matsui cost $13MM and in general, are in decline. There is an odd man out. Swisher’s gonna be paid about $10MM this year…way too much for a bench guy. So, someone’s gotta go. Chances are it’s going to be Nady since his stock is the highest and is the most movable. Swisher projects better than him in the OF (+5 projection at the corners for Swish, -5 for Nady), and offense (projected 814 OPS for Swish, 783 for Nady) and just fits the Yankee lineup better. Swisher should be starting over Nady. Also, there’s a way to use all of these guys w/o trading one of them. You platoon Nady and Matsui at DH while leaving Swisher in right, Damon in left, and Gardner in center.

      • A.D.

        Swisher’s gonna be paid about $10MM this year

        Swisher only makes about 5.3 M this year, and the only time he can make as much as 10M is if his team 2012 option is picked up

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Wow, really? Why did I think he was making that much? Regardless, he’s a better player than Nady.

      • Bruno

        So, someone’s gotta go.

        Says who? Why can’t a bench guy make $10-13m? Is there a rule against this that I’m unaware of? Ask the LA teams if bench guys have to be paid low salaries (GMJ, Pierre). Remember, Matsui only has 1yr left, not 4-5yrs at $13m.

        • Ryan S.

          Yeah, I don’t see why we need to give anybody up necessarily. We could trade for a good defensive middle infielder as a utility guy, but that’s about it in terms of fixing weaknesses. Even if Pettitte doesn’t come back, our team is looking solid in every way as is.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Nick Swisher is like…543 times the player Juan Pierre is.

          Now, you’re right, someone doesn’t have to go. Like I’ve said, you could keep all of them and have Nady/Matsui platoon at DH. They’re the worst defenders and I think have the most radical splits vs. LH/RH.

          • Bruno

            I agree with Swisher being better then Pierre, just making a point about $13m being “too much” for a bench guy.

            I like the Matsui/Nady platoon at DH, but because of their splits (Godzilla hits lefties equally as well as righties) but because of the D you mentioned, and it would keep them fresh.

        • nmc

          Well, the problem is that you only have a limited number of roster spots.

          Posada/Molina-Teix-Cano-Jeter-ARod-Utility IF-
          Nady-Damon-Matsui-Swisher-Gardner

          CC-Wang-AJ-Joba-Pettite(let’s assume)

          This would leave only 8 bullpen spots, which is really the minimum. (Can you go with 7?)

          And then you don’t have the roster flexibility to carry a third catcher, Melky, or Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves)

          Not to mention 40-man roster spots.

          Now, this isn’t to say that this cannot be done. But I think it would be preferable to not pay the money AND have more roster flexibility.

          • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com/ VO

            if im not mistaken 7 is the usaul

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            There isn’t a need to carry a third catcher, Melky wouldn’t be necessary (Nady could be the fourth OF/split DH).

            As for the pitchers, I would line it up like this:
            CC
            Wang
            AJ
            Joba
            Hughes

            Coke–can start in a pinch
            Marte
            Veras
            Ramirez
            Bruney
            Giese–can start in a pinch
            Robertson (could be swapped out w/Aceves or IPK)
            Mariano

            That leaves
            1B: Tex
            2B: Cano
            3B: A Rod
            SS: Jeter
            OF: Damon
            OF: Gardner
            OF: Swisher
            DH: Matsui
            DH: Nady (4th OF)
            Util IF
            C: Posada
            C: Molina

            I’m more than okay going to the field with that 25-man roster.

  • 27 this year

    Who is a better CF?

    Damon or Swisher?

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Swisher’s projected by CHONE to be -3 runs in CF, Damon at -2 so…basically equal.

    • Ryan S.

      It doesn’t really matter though, Cabrera and Gardner are both above them on the CF depth chart, and both are above average.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I wouldn’t say Melky’s above average. Great arm aside, he doesn’t bring much to CF where range is much more important. Gardner is definitely a plus defender and ideally, I’d like him to be the opening day CF because of that. A Damon/Gardner/Swisher alignment would actually be pretty good defensively and not awful offensively.

        • A.D.

          Melky UZR/150 was 0 last year, so he technically was exactly avg.

          I agree in that I think BG is the way to go in CF, he’s the best center fielder on the team and I would like to see him given a shot to sink or swim in the bigs

    • 27 this year

      Yea, I just asked that because I don’t know much about Swisher in CF and was wondering whether having Swisher in CF, Damon in LF, and Nady in RF is possible giving us the best offense possible but if Swisher isn’t really better than Damon it is a moot point.

      • A.D.

        Well projections aside, Swisher was a -10.5 UZR/150 last year, and Damon, was a -9 in 2006, his last full season there, so chances are they are pretty similar. Additionally Swisher has said he really doesn’t like playing CF, so you’d probably go Damon in CF ahead of Swish… but its close to a wash

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Yep, pretty much.

      • Bruno

        Forget Swisher in CF. He’s said he doesn’t like it, and Cashman said he’ll only be there in an emergency.

  • Ed

    Hi Pete,

    John Sickels just posted his Top 20 Yankees Prospects: http://www.minorleagueball.com.....r#comments

    Happy Holidays.

    Ed

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I will make it a mission to follow this guy in 2009

      7) Jairo Heredia, RHP, Grade B-: Looks like a major sleeper to me, and this is an aggressive ranking.

    • greg

      I like John Sickels but he tends to value relief pitchers too highly. I see named like Texeira, Venditte, and some other relievers with no mention of Angelini or Almonte, some pretty high ceiling guys.

      • 27 this year

        yea, for some reason the guy like high floor low ceiling guys which doesn’t really define a farm system. His rankings suck especially considering Bleich is a high floor low ceiling and he only got Honorable Mention. Plus, he doesn’t buy into Brackman’s command but hello, the guy just had TJ.

    • Matt M

      OUCH:

      “The Yankees don’t have anyone in the system that is a sure-fire superstar right now”

      johnny boy… have some NYY cool-aid please. lol

  • nmc

    Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but what do you guys think of Nady to the Cubs for Felix Pie (and maybe another low-level prospect?)

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      No thanks to Mr. Foot. I wouldn’t want another OF back (especially one who’s basically the definition of AAAA) after trading one.

      The Cubs do want a corner OF, though…But I think they’re in the market for a lefty. So, we could see Bobby A in a Cubs uni if they miss out on Bradley. If I were them, I may go for Brother Bobby on a short term deal due to Bradley’s injury concerns–though he was the best player on the Rangers last year.

      • nmc

        Yeah, that was mostly my thinking. We’d be selling high on an expensive corner OF (where we have surplus, anyway) for a cheap CF that the Cubs have soured on. It’s still amazing to me that this guy dropped so quickly.. seems to me like he never got a chance in Chicago.

        Which isn’t to say that he’ll get a chance in NY, but they must be looking to move him, so maybe we could get him and someone for Nady.

        I know we love our own, but Pie has got to be better than Gardner/Melky

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Haha, no he isn’t. Melky may suck at the plate but he’s better than Pie. Pie’s career OPS+ is 57. 57. That’s so bad it’s not even worth using an adjective for description. Melky is much better than that.

          As for Gardner, he’s a good fielder and has a much better, more patient approach than Pie does and I’d rather have Gardner.

          • greg

            Pie only has had 240 ML at bats and is still only 23. I think you are severely underrating him. No major league team would take Gardner over Felix Pie.

            • Bruno

              Tell that to Brian Cashman & Co.

              • greg

                Tell what to them? The yanks would do that trade in an instant, Pie has a ton of value compared to Gardner, the Cubs would not even consider that deal.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              I’d rather keep Xavier Nady, Johnny Damon, Nick Swisher, or Hideki Matsui along with Brett Gardner than have Felix Pie.

              Anyway, Gardner showed good defensive skills in his cup(s) of coffee and has a better track record of patience. Pie has shown more power in the minors but I’ll take Gardner’s patience and better fielding, along with keeping all of those guys, which is more than doable.

          • nmc

            That’s in like 200 ABs, like 1/3 of a season. By that logic, Gardner is even worse, OPS+ of 54. We can’t judge either of them really by small sample numbers.

            I think Pie can be good, just like Garnder. I also think the Cubs are a good trading partner and that Pie is not enough for Nady. I think it would be too optimistic to see Nady + Kennedy for Pie and Harden, but I’d take a mid-level position prospect as well.

            • greg

              The thing is though, that major league pitchers will not walk a player like Gardner who can’t do anything more than hit a single. Yes he has a good eye and can work counts in the majors, but the fact remains that pitchers have no reason to fear him because he has zero power.

              • greg

                meant to say that in response to matt, sorry

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Well, Pie has displayed the same lack of power in the majors. He had a good SLG in the minors but it hasn’t translated yet through either lack of time or just being overmatched. Perhaps it will come along; the same goes for Gardner’s eye and on-base skills.

                • greg

                  what about the fact that every year Pie was ranked as a top prospect and Gardner was nowhere to be seen on any top prospect lists? There’s a reason for that, Pie has more athleticism and tools.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              The whole point of getting rid of Nady is to free up room in the OF. Pie wouldn’t even be the 4th OF–that’s probably gonna be Melky.

              As for Harden and Kennedy–I like Harden a lot but the injury thing does scare me. Plus, he’d be a rental and that wouldn’t be worth giving up all of Kennedy’s a) upside and b) club control.

              • A.D.

                Harden isn’t going anywhere

                on top of that is Pie out of options… if so you can’t even trade him and send him to the minors to develop

  • Dan

    trade swisher, damon in LF, gardner/cabrera in CF, Nady in RF, cabrera/gardner on the bench

    • Bruno

      Why trade Swish instead of Nady?

    • A.D.

      Problem in Swisher is under contract beyond ’09. AND they Yankees won’t get anything for him. Swisher hasn’t become more valuable than a month ago when the Yankees traded for him. If they Yankees wanted an ok AAA starter, a utility infielder and an AA reliever then they wouldn’t have traded for Swisher.

      Unless theres a team that wants him in the AL central chances are no one was willing to give up more than the Yanks to get Swish

      • Bruno

        Problem in Swisher is under contract beyond ‘09

        That’s not a problem, that’s a good thing. That’s why Nady would go, not Swisher.

        • A.D.

          Yeah i didn’t mean that as a negative, I meant that is they wouldnt want to trade him because he’s not a FA

          • Bruno

            Yea, I was aiming my original question at Dan. I’m pleasantly surprised he didn’t respond, I was expecting: TEH .219 AVG!!11!1!

  • Paulie

    Is anyone else getting that feeling of, “the more you get the more you want.” In my head I am just thinking of plans for Yankees to get all these people they will never get, earlier today I was thinking the Yankees should get Chone Figgins as their super utility guy.

    • Bruno

      Why would LA get rid of him? Trades are a two-way street.

      • nmc

        They could probably use an OF. And Nady on a one-year deal might help. They probably wouldn’t make that deal, though.

        • E-ROC

          The Angels have Gary Matthews, Jr., Torii Hunter, and Juan Rivera in the outfield with Reggie Willits as the 4th outfielder. Vladimir Guerrero could be an outfielder too, but he’ll likely DH for the entire season.

          • A.D.

            Nady could play first, my guess is they’ll give Kendry Morales the job, but they don’t seem to want to despite that he’s crushed minors

  • Balls Deep

    I have no idea why Angels are shopping Figgins; I would get him in heartbeat… trade IPK, Swisher and Veras… Too many outfielders, too many relief pitchers. The Yanks will not start the season with Gardiner/Melky as CF or Ransome as Utility guy… maybe not on Ransome, but if Ransome stays; they are shipping some relievers out; possibly Veras, Bruney, Albadelejo. Anyone that can possibly start will stay… And Robertson and Aveces are locks for pen and could look good in the 8th and 9th… Aveces has great poise.

    • A.D.

      Figgins is going to be 31 this year, and has a career OPS + of 96. If you take out ’07, in which he went on a redic tear, his career best OPS + is 103.

      On top of that he’s a free agent after 2009. So why would the Yankees want to trade a solid reliever, starter that has dominated the minors, AND and OF/1B who is a better hitter than Figgins. Is Figgins going to play 3b for us? 2b? and if he’s going to be a bench utility guy, why the hell would we give up so much for him.

      • Balls Deep

        Oops, didn’t see that was FA after this year. Still, he’s a .290 hitter, plays all over the damn place; steals bases, would have a .390 OBP…. I can live with that, complimentary player; so we don’t sell all the parts…

        The Yanks will short sell some pieces, that I can guarantee because they want new shiny toys… ie.) Manny/Street/Dunn/Lowe(if Andy doesn’t sign). They have 3 guys that can play the #5 spot: Hughes, Aceves and Joba with the other 2 as integral bullpen guys maybe a new “Nelson, Stanton to Rivera”

        They are not done… don’t see it.

        • A.D.

          Figgins has had a .390 OBP once in his career (including the minors), and that was the same ’07 season. His career is .350 (.346 minors) so chances are .350 OBP.

          Maybe the Yanks still go after Manny (personally i hope not) if they can shed some other OF/DH types, but I don’t see more big names.

          I think they like their pen, and Melancon is their ace in the hole for the pen if necessary.

          There will be enough interest in Lowe, and the Yanks don’t want a bidding war

          • Bruno

            Figgins is their leadoff guy. I seriously doubt they trade him.

        • Bruno

          So Hughes is now a setup man? I mean, Cashman & Co have said “Joba = STARTER” which means the other 2 are Aceves and Hughes to be “the new Nelson & Stanton”. While I’ve said Hughes MIGHT end up in the ‘pen (IF he does prove to be injury-prone) it’s not happening in ’09, nor do I wish to see it happen.

  • ‘The’ Steve

    There are really only two questions left for this off season.

    1-Whether they bring back Andy.

    2-Which corner OF they trade of Matsui, Swisher, Nady and Damon.

    I think they don’t bring Andy back, and will do better killing two birds by trading someone like Matsui for a 5th starter who makes good money. Matsui has zero trade value, so you have to trade him for someone else who is also a salary dump, just one that suits your needs more than Hideki.

    Despite the glut of corner OF’s still on the FA market, shedding some payroll for a player a team would like to move makes more sense than ADDING payroll and a multi-year commitment for a free agent. Shedding a 10 mil deal and adding Hideki means you’re payroll is net+3 for 2009. Also, the one year remaining on Hideki’s contract could be attractive for someone who has a prospect on the way.

    Damon makes no sense, they need a leadoff hitter and he’s a plus defender in LF. Trading Xavier makes little sense, it would mean playing Swisher in RF and coming off last year that’s too risky. I could see Swisher being dealt, he’s basically a super utility guy on this team and he’s probably too talented for that.

    • A.D.

      Nady is the most valuable, Swisher’s value is some other teams version of Marquez, Betemit, and Jhonny Nunez. I’d much rather have Swisher.

      Either the Yanks roll the dice on Swish in RF, or they wait and see if he’s bouncing back before dealing anyone

      • ‘The’ Steve

        Nady is also the most valuable to the yankees, who want to win next year. I don’t see them risking a .742 OPS out of a corner OF spot when the have an .867 OPS on their roster already.

        They also can’t wait, teams will have their rosters set by Spring Training so you need make a deal soon.

        • A.D.

          Since when is Nady a guarenteed .867 OPS, because he was last year? Because his career is .793, while Swisher’s is .805

          • Steve H

            Swisher also is more consistent from both sides of the plate, where Nady’s splits are skewed greatly towards lefties, which he probably sees 25% of the time. Swisher > Nady, other than 2008.

        • Reggie C.

          ALOT of Nady’s numbers are accounted for by the fact that he played half a season against the NL central. He’s not that kind of hitter over in the AL.

  • ‘The’ Steve

    Latest Keith Law piece

    “The draft-pick anachronism will probably be eliminated from free agency only if the owners — who have no reason to want the picks eliminated — can convince the union to agree to a hard slotting system in the Rule 4 Draft, something the union, at the behest of player agents, has been unwilling to grant in past negotiations.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....=law_keith

    Hopefully Mike A can help me out with this one. What is the Rule 4 draft and why would the union be against a hard slotting system?

    • A.D.

      Rule 4 is the normal amateur draft. The hard slotting would mean no “signability” cases or guys that hold out and sign for over-slot.

      Right now there is a recommended slot bonus for each pick, but it can be bypassed, and frequently is.

      It would essentially create a salary cap system for draftee first time contracts/bonuses

    • zs190

      Rule 4 is just the regular draft, rule 4 is just the more formal way of calling it. Why wouldn’t the union be against a hard slotting system? That would clearly restrict the bonuses these prospects have, and these prospects are union members after they are drafted.

    • Jack

      Rule 4 is the regular amateur draft. I imagine the union would be against hard slotting because it would cap bonuses.

    • 27 this year

      there is a Rule 4 and a Rule 5 draft. What are rules 1, 2, 3, and 6?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t10twK4BZoc&feature=channel_page Kevin G.

    Giants sign Randy Johnson:
    http://tinyurl.com/77d8hc

    • A.D.

      Lincecum
      Cain
      Sanchez
      RJ
      Zito

      Not bad, now if they could hit

      • yanks27in09

        maybe we should try to include them in a trade with our outfielders

        • Bruno

          Melky & IPK for Lincecum? Or you think we’d need to throw in Chase Wright too?

          • Bruno

            Hoenstly though, could you imagine Joba and Timmy in the same rotation? WOWZA!

          • 27 this year

            I think tossing in Matsui would seal the deal.

        • A.D.

          Nady would help that lineup.

  • Corey

    Anyone know when the yanks will introduce Teixeira?

  • 27 this year

    On the chat today, someone asked whether the Mariners might considering taking Matsui for Washburn. Although, that doesn’t seem like it’ll happen, are there any other pitcher with contracts somewhere around those numbers that coudl possibly be our fourth starter. It would open up the DH spot, give Swisher a place to play (DH or OF) and would get us a 4th starter/innings eater without adding any or much payroll.

    • 27 this year

      *mlbtr chat

  • John

    Be nicer than India and Pakistan? You mean be nicer than those Pakis, right? They’re the ones who bombed India in the first place…I bet those bombings (aimed toward us Americans and British) made the Indian people hate Pakistan even more. India is our ally so I support them…damn Pakis!

    • Reggie C.

      When your job gets outsourced to India … lets see you sing the same song.

    • TheLastClown

      This is the kind of thinking that propagates the hatred that has made our world an unsafe place in which to live.

      This kind of attitude is what has flushed hundreds of billions of American dollars down sinkholes in Afghanistan & Iraq.

      No one knows who is behind the bombing on Wednesday, nor who orchestrated the tragedies in Mumbai. Assuming that a whole country of people is “evil” for the actions of fundamentalist groups is irrational, and completely occludes intelligent political action.

      If you don’t know anything about the machinations of geo-politics, then don’t spread irresponsible hate-mongering. The tapestry of world affairs is much more complicated than you read in the MSM.

      • Bruno

        Well said.

  • shasha

    anyone in favor of trading nady and a prospect to the braves for one of hernandez schafner or heyward? i think it would be good.

    • Alan

      Let’s call the Orioles and see if they’ll give us Wieters while we’re at it!

  • shasha

    ok get em on the phone its possible we gave up a prospect just as good as any of those 3 in tabata

    • Bruno

      Umm no it’s not. But it IS possible that you’ve had one too many.

  • ortforshort

    I can think of a lot of questions for next year that will affect the roster. Will Posada be able to throw runners out? Who is the backup infielder? Will Matsui be able to play the field and will he be able to generate any power with two bad knees and creaky wrist? Was last year a fluke for Nady? Is Swisher finished as a useful big league hitter? Can Gardner hit major league pitching? Is Cabrera as bad as he looked last year at the plate? Who’s the fifth starter? These questions are a hell of a lot less urgent now that Sabathia, Burnett and Teixeira are on board. The Yankees have the luxury of going thru the spring and part of the season finding out the answers without having to worry that they’ll drop out of the bottom of the league if they don’t. Hopefully, the farm system will have developed in a couple of years where there will be answers available in the minors. Right now there aren’t any.

    • Ryan S.

      There are a lot of questions that the Red Sox have too.

      -Who is their catcher?
      -Can Beckett stay healthy?
      -Can Ortiz stay healthy? Is he ever going to be as big of an impact player as he has was?
      -Can Lowell stay healthy?
      -Can Drew stay healthy?
      -Can Pedroia and Youk repeat their career years?
      -Can Lowrie make hitting adjustments or does he go through a sophomore slump?
      -Can DiceK have as good of a year as he did in 2008?
      -Who are their back end starters?
      -Is Ellsbury worthy of the starting CF job?

      We can play that game for any team. Like you said, at least our issues are much less urgent now.

  • Bonos

    Totally right, the fans that are already celebrating the World Series are a little over the top. Too many questions on an old team. It’s much better than it was but a lot of work needs to be done.