Heyman: Yanks all in for top three pitchers

Report: Cash ducks Vegas for CC meeting
The RAB Radio Show - December 9, 2008 - Episode 5

Taking the old maxim that you can never have too much pitching, the Yankees, according to Jon Heyman, are making a play for all three top free agent hurlers. While we await word from the third meeting between CC and the Yanks, Heyman reports that the Yanks are willing to top the Braves’ four-year, $60-million offer for A.J. Burnett by adding more dollars and either a guaranteed fifth year or a vesting option. Heyman also feels the Yanks have “a good chance” at landing Derek Lowe as they are willing to go at least four years at $64 million. That’s a lotta pitching.

Update 12:19 a.m.: For those of you bemoaning Derek Lowe, Tyler Kepner has word of a different pitcher. The Times writer says that the Yanks are closing in on Ben Sheets. He doesn’t confirm or deny the Derek Lowe report, for what that’s worth.

Update 12:52 a.m.: One last update via the same Graziano piece from earlier. The NJ.com reporter says the Yanks may have floated the idea of an opt-out to Sabathia in case he truly doesn’t like New York. It’s an interesting idea, but after A-Rod burned them last year, I highly doubt the Yanks would go that route again. This may just be a sign of good faith on the part Cashman and Co.

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Report: Cash ducks Vegas for CC meeting
The RAB Radio Show - December 9, 2008 - Episode 5
  • Ivan

    Wow, your gonna pay Lowe 16M for 4 years but you can’t pay Pettitte 16M for one year and their basically the same pitcher and Pettitte might be better than Lowe. That’s a watse of money.

    Burnett, well I don’t want him on the team period.

    • X-Man(Angel)

      100% agree

    • Mike Pop

      Im not about Lowe but Burnett is the type of signing that I wouldnt be upset if we did not get him but I would be excited to have this guy in our rotation. Id rather sign Pettite over Lowe though especially with Dellin, Brackman, and Z-Mac coming up

      • greg

        Betances and Brackman are way too far away to count on any time soon.

    • doty25

      i dont get all the hype on lowe… he is a nice starter but would rather have pettite over him any day especially for 1 yr. sometimes it seems that teams tend to fall in love with other teams players, then to appreciate what they have already… in this case andy pettite.

  • UWS

    Groan.

    • Reggie C.

      +1

      I just want CC and Sheets. No Lowe. Definitely no Burnett. IF we’re indeed inches from signing CC, then the priority is to finish it NOW and proceed to sweep Sheets by the end of the week. This fan base doesn’t need more than that kinda championship gesture for this week. Then Cash can confidently seek to upgrade the position players. If there’s one thing i can whisper to Cash, it’d be: AROD CANT DO IT ALONE!!

      • Ivan

        Give A-Rod something that he neva had in his career, a very good pitching staff and then we can see what the fuck he can do.

        • Reggie C.

          I maintain: AROD can’t do it alone.

          I’m not going to rehash the who’s gone-who’s been added argument, but the lineup today isn’t any better and is likely weaker than it was at the end of least season. Good Yankee pitching doesn’t make up for the guy hitting behind Arod not making any opposing pitcher even a bit nervous.

          • Ivan

            Yea but I really think some guys are gonna bounce back in our lineup especially Cano.

            I just feel that if the yanks pitching is fix and etc, we can be the most dangerous team in baseball.

            • Reggie C.

              Then you’ve got more confidence than I do in some of our position players. I won’t name ‘em b/c this isn’t the thread for that, but I believe Cash has to pick up an impact guy to make this a well-rounded offseason.

              • Ivan

                Tex would be nice, but that probably won’t happen.

                • Mike Pop

                  Delmon Young for Z-Mac, Melky and 8 mill

                  Heh

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Delmon Young for Z-Mac, Melky and 8 mill

                  Elijah Dukes for Juan Miranda.

                • Ivan

                  I’ll do that.

  • Mike Pop

    If we sign all these pitchers do you think there is a good chance we add another bat via trade ? Maybe Cash is thinking bout moving some of the younger guys in a deal ? Maybe even IPK.. I hope this doesnt mean he is willing to trade Hughes, we will need him when an injury happens

  • doty25

    i’d rather they sign Sheets for 2 yrs then Burnett for 4-5 yrs. I have not heard anything about brad penny why is that? Also look at jon Garland numbers over the past 8yrs… pretty impressive, especially as 4th starter… he averaged about 200 inning… won 18 games twice

    love to have the following rotation:

    sabathia
    wang
    joba
    pettite
    sheets

    not to bad lol

  • Brooklyn Ed

    Yanks looking at Sheet’s medical records:

    New York spoke Tuesday with the agents for Burnett, saying it was prepared to exceed what the Yankees believe is the offer he received from Atlanta, a guaranteed four-year deal worth about $60 million. They also met Monday with Sheets and were examining his medical records.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....BHeadlines

    ——

    If the Braves countered with the 5th year, then lets the Braves have Burnett. If we might Sheets, then our rotation will be 30 and under if Pettite doesn’t come back.

    • Reggie C.

      We’re looking at Sheets’ medical records?? That’s got to mean something right?? I havent read that we’re looking into Burnett’s records.

      • Ed

        Sheets finished the season injured, Burnett finished healthy. Knowing the extent of Sheets’ injury and how his recovery is going is key to deciding on an offer.

    • Brooklyn Ed

      6 things for Ben Sheets to do when signing with New York:

      6)He will teach Wang how to base run better in an NL game.

      5)He will dare not to ask for #51 due to the fact is Bernie William’s number upton flip flopping #15.

      4)He will wear #25 because of a)Joe Girardi wore it, b)Jim Abbot threw a no-hit game, c)at the age of 25 was his only dominating year in 2004 before the injuries, d) started 25 major league career games, e) and flip flop #52 in honor of CC Sabathia.

      3)He will actually wear #52 because CC told him too.

      2)He will live with Joe Girardi until he finds a house.

      1)Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez will teach him how to be rich and famous, and score hot celebrities.

      :) lol, I wrote this as a joke.

  • brockdc

    Tex > Lowe and Burnett

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      80% of the free agent bats currently on the market > Lowe and Burnett

      • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

        That made me laugh, But true.

      • brockdc

        pat listache >Lowe and Burnett

        There. Better now.

  • AndrewYF

    I doubt that the Yankees actually want to sign all three. I think they’ve been hedging their bets, while at the same time pricing Burnett and Lowe up so high Boston balks…or blinks.

    I really think they’d love to sign Sabathia, and then remain in the Burnett/Lowe sweepstakes simply to fuck with Boston. They’d have an incredible amount of leverage.

  • E-ROC

    Just sign CC, Sheets, and Pettitte. No need to dole out all that money especially Burnett.

    • Ivan

      Exactly. Just those three starters.

      CC
      Wang
      Joba
      Sheets
      Pettitte

      and if Pettitte don’t wanna sign with the yanks

      CC
      Wang
      Joba
      Sheets
      Hughes.

      Again, I,ve said it before, both rotations are potentially dope.

      • Reggie C.

        +1.

        If pettitte isn’t pitching next season, then you pitch your best performing minor leaguer out the 5 hole. That spot isn’t the make-it-or-break-it. Aceves will give Hughes a run for his money for playing time. It’d make ST more interesting for sure.

    • brockdc

      Agreed. Some combination of Aceves, IPK, and Hughes could provide a similar output to Derek Lowe for a fraction of the cost.

      • andrew

        the difference is with lowe, you know you are getting a very very solid starter, but with the young guys, its very hit or miss. hughes could dominate for a month and then fall apart, we really dont know what we’re getting with them, while lowe is aproven commodity

  • doty25

    hasn’t Cashman learnt from the Pavano disaster???? why would he even offer burnett 4 yrs? he will not even last through half his contract! just does not make sense! and by the way: he is not that great! he pitched great against the yankees, but take a look at his overall numbers.

  • emac2

    It’s looking Like CC told the Yanks he would consider them but wanted to try to work something out in california.

    Cash then went out and made offers to everyone else and CC realized he couldn’t trust the CA teams to even come close and that if the Yankees moved on he was screwed. He then agreed to take the Yankee offer.

    I expect we will see the Yanks pull most or all of the other offers once this is tied up.

    • Mike Pop

      He then agreed to take the Yankee offer.

      Not quite yet

      • emac2

        well, not exactly.

        He said ” we have a deal if you can convince my wife. Bring a pen and my driver will meet you at the airport.”

        • Mike Pop

          And you know this how ? lol

          • emac2

            They called me to deliver the Pizza.

            We started chatting when cashmen was late.

            :)

    • andrew

      i believe this is true up until the last two sentences. i think hes going to eventually sign with the yankees, but probably not tonight. and then i dont think the yankees will pull the other offers just yet. they want two of these guys, and if they are able to secure burnett, lowe or sheets then will all other offers be removed

  • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

    Ben, when do you plan on going to sleep? I want to know when to stop checking for updates. Unless Mike and Joe plan on writing something, that is.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Now. But Mike and Joe are still up in Vegas. They’re out to dinner now, but if anything more happens tonight, they’ll have it.

      • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

        haha thanks. good luck tomorrow

  • Mike Pop

    You guys see us trading for position players if 2 of these 3 deals go down ? Obviously I think we need one more hitter to help replace Abreu and Giambi. Will Cash use young pitching after this deal ? Maybe a trade for Ankiel/Francouer/Dejesus ? Idk I hope we get another bat.. I would have to think it would be the trade route considering all the money we are giving out

    • Reggie C.

      Ankiel definitely intrigues me. I don’t know if he’s a real CF, but he’s a superior athlete for having made the pitcher-OF transition. I guess he’s got a strong throwing arm as velocity was never a problem on the mound. The pop is very real. Ankiel interests me.

      • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

        What do you think it would take to get Ankiel. Melky and Kenedy sounds good to me.

        • Reggie C.

          I guess. Something like that. Maybe another starter/reliever along with Kennedy. The Cards apparently would take a back-of-the-rotation type for sure.

          • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

            We have extreme depth in our bullpen.

    • Ivan

      Didn’t he said he would have a hard time trading pitchers like Hughes and even Kennedy?

      • Mike Pop

        Well I know he wouldnt just come out and say Im looking to trade my young guys. I dont hate IPK or anything its just that I think we need to upgrade the offense with one more bat or so. But I do agree with you saying that Cano has a bounceback.. Maybe he hits 3 if we do not sign anyone

        • Ivan

          Cano will bounce back, fuck it he betta bounce back, I got alot of confidence riding on that dude.

          • Mike Pop

            Im with ya there

      • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

        I am not giving up on Kenedy ,still think he will be very good but We need a outfielder. I think that would be a good trade for both teams. They happen to need starting pitching. With Sheets and CC we still have other options with our rotation. Then Gardner can still develop with out having to be a HERO.

      • Ed

        Well, considering the current state of the roster puts Hughes and Kennedy in the #3 and #4 spots of the rotation, what else can he say? If Cashman signs free agent pitchers to long term deals, the situation changes.

        • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

          I was baseing the trade having signed CC and Sheets Probaly Pettit two.

    • emac2

      I think we trade with San Diego for Adrian Gonzales and possibly with LA for Kemp and Kershaw.

      • Reggie C.

        heh

    • E-ROC

      Jeremy Hermida, Adam Dunn, Milton Bradley (as a DH, of course), one of the many outfielders for the Nationals, and Delmon Young fit the bill.

  • dkidd

    simply cant believe the yanks would pay 64M for derek lowe. sounds like a way to get leverage with andy.

    • andrew

      i dont think theyd offer 64 million to save themselves 3 or 4 million with pettitte

  • Phil McCracken

    I hope Kepner is right. I don’t want Lowe anywhere near a Yankee uniform.

    Sheets has more upside.

    • Mike Pop

      Agreed, Sheets is worth the gamble

    • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

      Sheets also has more downside ;)

      • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

        (the steve lombardi pessimism angle)

      • Bryan

        But I’d rather pay 30 mil for 2 years of sheets than 50+ for 4-5 years of AJ

        • Reggie C.

          Even if the Sheets offer were to go to a 3rd year, it’d still be superior in value to the at least 80 Mil for 5 years Burnett would command.

          I think Burnett is all but guaranteed a 5 year deal. ATL is likely to give it to him. Since Frank Wren more or less started up the party today, let take home Burnett.

          • Reggie C.

            sorry : *let him (Wren) take home Burnett*

            in no way was i implying that the Yanks should take home Burnett.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Cashman: You know, I think we’re probably going to sign CC. He’s warming up to us.
    Common Sense: That’s pretty awesome, Bri-man! I told you that patience was the key.
    Cashman: Yeah, and we’ve got the high offer on Sheets too.
    Common Sense: Okay… that’s smart. He’s got some bounceback potential. I’m with you.
    Cashman: And, it looks like we could nab AJ Burnett! That guy has a ton of strikeouts every year.
    Common Sense: Wait, but you just said–
    Cashman: And Derek Lowe! God, Hank’s in love with that guy; it would be a coup if we could land him too…
    Common Sense: [ hangs self with own shoelaces ]

    • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

      See, we can’t trade you. Way too much upside potential evident in this comment.

    • Ivan

      Why Cashman why?

  • Brooklyn Ed

    if the Cubs do nontendered Chad Gaudin, why not give him a shot as a #4 starterif Pettitte doesn’t come back? He pitched 199 innings before with the A’s back in 2007, and he certainly does have the stuff to be a mid-rotation starter. Cashman should try to catch a lighting in a bottle with him.

    If Gaudin is signed as a #4 starter, then our rotation is 30 and under.

    • RollingWave

      because you might want to look at Guadin’s K/BB ratios

  • http://incumbentgm.wordpress.com Joltin’ Joe

    Guys, I need you. I need to be comforted by the good people here at RAB. I have been lashed, whipped with pre-Expansion Era baseball logic. I have been shamed by the moronic majority. I, and my deep, deep affection for OBP, wOBA and OPS, have been shunned.

    IF IT DOESN’T GET SPAM FILTERED!111!1111!11, here is a link to a Facebook group in which the perpetrator dispels his ancient drivel.

    http://www.facebook.com/topic......#post20283

    Please, everyone. Join the discussion and HELP ME!

  • 34hughes

    nonono cash what is he doing the yanks cant afford to sign stupid contracts with the likes of aj and lowe is would be pavano and wright it would be version 2.0

    • http://incumbentgm.wordpress.com Joltin’ Joe

      Hughes has changed his number back to 65, like when he came up the first time.

  • Reggie C.

    My last comment of the night:

    Opt-out clause in Sabathia’s contract isn’t a bad idea. If Sabathia chose to opt out after … say 3 seasons in order to get paid more (if possible) or simply b/c he longs for Cali, that’s fine with me.

    Sabathia will be 31 then and entering into the last years of his prime. If we can win a championship in these next 3 seasons, the contract would have been worth it. How many more prime seasons does Sabathia have in the tank anyway? 2, 3, 4?

    Hopefully by then, we’ll have a stud like Brackman or Betances or Z-Mac ready to step in the fold cheaply and admirably. Don’t be afraid of the opt-out clause when it comes to pitchers.

  • Brooklyn Ed

    Cashman to begin final talks while CC talks to SF

    Joel Sherman has a source saying it’s possible Cashman could begin the process of finalizing a contract for Sabathia while in San Francisco.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/12.....143414.htm

    ———————
    this has to be sorta good news.

    • Brooklyn Ed

      Sherman notes that Cashman is looking at many other free agent starters as well, and is pushing to begin closing deals.

    • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

      Thanx I needed that , now Im gona go make a drink.

      • RustyJohn

        “You make a helluva caucasian, Jackie…”

    • andrew

      i would love to wake up and sabathia be a yankee…
      sweet dreams. goodnight.

  • 34hughes

    so he looks better with 34

  • RustyJohn

    Cashman’s nightmare- he wakes up tomorrow and Lowe, CC, AJ and Sheets have all accepted and the Yanks are on the hook for $300 million in additional payroll. Bigger nightmare- come the All-Star break 3/4 of them are on the DL.

    • E-ROC

      It’ll be Cashman’s fault. Grab your torch and pitchfork…..!

      • RustyJohn

        Lol..personally I’d be quite content with CC signing and Sheets to a 2 year deal leaving a rotation of CC, Wang, Sheets, Joba and the youngsters fighting it out for the fifth spot. I’m not too keen on Lowe and AJ unless we’re looking at 3 year deals or less.

        I thought the lesson learned the past few years was youth and roster flexibility…

  • RollingWave

    it’s also about winning, they’re signing FAs aren’t all the same, signing CC Sabathia is certainly not signing Carl Pavano, playing youth is good but there is a difference between playing Joba Chamberlian or even Melky Cabrera to playing Bubba Crosby and Andy Phillips.

  • BigBlueAL

    Joel Sherman on the NY post website is reporting that Sabathia has chosen to pitch for the Yankees.

    If this is true, all I can say is, THANK GOD Cashman stayed with the Yankees. I really believe he is one of the biggest reasons the Yankees, besides the money obviously, can sign all these big-name guys. He seems to know how to sell NY and the Yankees, and you have never heard a bad thing about him from agents/players. He may get ripped alot for some of his decisions, but the man knows how to close the deal when he wants to get his man….

    • JC

      Well done Cash…. If this is true then all I can say is well done. A wonderful morning to be a Yankee fan.

  • Infamous

    Espn has also reported that CC has signed with the yanks. I Hope this is true!!!