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Heyman: Yanks ready to go $80M and five for A.J.
ByI don’t much like it, but that’s what Heyman says and that’s what ESPN says. Five years is a lot for a pitcher who will be 32 on Opening Day and has a history of injury. But the Yanks have money and needs. I’d rather see Sheets fill that high-potential, oft-injured slot, and at least with Ben, the Yanks would gain some roster flexibility that a five-year deal for A.J. does not afford them. A decision on this one may come sooner rather than later from Burnett.
WHHYYYY YANKEES WHY
You got CC, say no to AJ, let him be a Brave
Now that CC is on his way to the Bronx, lets push harder to get a deal done with the Padres for Peavy. Give Sheets a 2 year incentive-laden deal(can’t hurt). Imagine a great young rotation consisting of:
1. CC – 28
2. Peavy – 27
3. Wang – 27
4. Joba – 23
5. Hughes – 22(because a deal for Peavy can be done without including him)
6. Sheets – 30(averages 150 IP/year, can help keep innings down for Joba and Hughes)
Lets make it happen and forget about Burnett and Lowe!
I hate this deal. I can’t understand why the yank’s want this guy. Ben sheets is clearly the better option. Hopefully the Braves sign him and save yankees this headache. On another note CC’s contract (opt-out clause) seems right.
but hopefully the braves report is true that they 91 mil for 5 yrs
No one has yet reported that the Braves are willing to go there. The offers the Braves have on the table seem to be for four guaranteed and a fifth option for a total under $70M. The $91M is a what Burnett and Co. seem to want.
I don’t know why, but I much prefer this deal with AJ then a 5 year commitment for Lowe. I know Lowe is durable, but I do not see there being ANY chance that ends well. At least this has a chance to be good.
What if Lowe only required 4 years?
Sheets on a 2+1 >>> Lowe on a 4 >>>>>>>>>> Burnett on a 5
it seems that peavy is open to becoming a yankee
Enough
It also seems that people are open to being given large monetary gifts by other people.
Garth, if i give you some of the money from my wallet, will that make you feel better?
Was that reported by Heyman or Rosenthal? Do you have sources to back that up?
Was that reported by Heyman or Rosenthal? Do you have sources to back that up?
Rod Blagojevich.
yes, someone overheard him say that in a bar in vegas and posted it on their blog.
i’d say the trade is 99% finished.
Do you not have a decimal point on your computer? 99% does not do this trade justice. It’s actually 99.9999999999% done. Literally, all that’s left is Hal needs to dot the I in Steinbrenner.
Literally, all that’s left is Hal needs to dot the I in Steinbrenner.
Nope. A week ago, Hal legally changed his name and removed all the dots over his i’s and crosses on his t’s to speed things up.
It’s done. We got Peavy for IPK and Miranda. Let’s all go to Hooters and celebrate.
WHOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKIN SWEET BABY!!!!!!!!!!
That’s why he’s the brains of the operation instead of Hank.
We gave up Miranda?!? WTF, now we’re going to have to sign Tex to play first. I can’t believe we gave up so much
Don’t worry… we can probably call them back and get them to kick in Adrian Gonzalez if we add Melky.
Wait…is this actually true?!?!??!?!?!
It’s sarcasm piled on sarcasm. It’s gotten a bit out of control at this point, I love it
Peavy won’t be a Yankee. There was even a report today saying that the Yankees inquired but absolutely nothing came of it. Why sell off valuable prospects AND pay Peavy almost market-value when you already have your ace and can sign free agents at market value without paying the prospects
Because Peavy’s better than Lowe, healthier than Sheets, and he’s better+healthier than Burnett.
Thats why, plus looking at the packages being discussed I don’t think it will cost a ton in talent.
We won’t come anywhere near the Braves offer that was turned down. I know that everybody agrees they should have taken it but it’d be hard to get him without giving up Hughes/AJax/Montero
Has already been said that a deal can be done without the inclusion of Hughes!
Can it be done without the inclusion of AJax? I’m not parting with AJax.
Untouchables: Cano, Hughes, AJax, Montero, Brackman, Melancon
Padres GM Towers said it like a month or two ago. I’m not sure about AJax because it only said Hughes.
I’d give up Cano or Ajax in the right deal but I wouldn’t give up Ajax for more pitching. Plus, the Padres wouldn’t want to take on Cano’s (small) salary
You wouldn’t move Melancon for Peavy? In the right deal I definitely would.
I would do any of the following deals for Peavy:
Romine, IPK, Melancon
Betances, Suttle, Melancon
IPK and Cano (we pay part of Cano’s salary)
I would do all of those deals in a second, would be the most hesitant about the third because of Cano. I don’t know if any of those deals would get it done, but I don’t think any of them are that far off and I would do them all.
I don’t know how accurate that is. But if it is in fact true, I think that’s our best potential move. However I can’t imagine Cash would go 5/90 for Burnett if Peavy could be had without Hughes/Ajax/Montero.
I hope they tell Sheets that his offer is good until either AJ or Lowe take them up in which case his offer will get pulled. Play em against eachother Cashman. Boras ought to appreciate that
Sure, why not? You know how I kept saying we shouldn’t be playing hardball and giving deadlines to CC, because we didn’t want to offend him and end the negotiations?
I got no problem at all playing hardball, giving deadlines, and offending these three guys (Sheets/Lowe/Burnett).
If we want to bring Joe Rogan out of retirement/coma to stage a game of Fear Factor where the three of them compete in various escalating degradations to win the right to sign with us, I’d be good with that.
Especially because of the CC signing. The pressure on any of these 3 is now significantly less due to CC coming here.
Yup.
5 years??? Argh.
I don’t want Burnett, though since I live in Boston I’m already preparing my justification for why I will like the signing (even if I don’t)
He owns Boston.
5-0, 2.56 ERA
And that’s about it, let’s hope there’s something else to this, like pushing Sheets to make a decision.
Come on, Braves, do something stupid.
Oh, and I wrote a longer-than-usual comment in the thread one of you dudes just scraped; if my comment is gone, one of you will be getting kicked in the ‘nads. Book it!
It will be back, with your comment, at 10 p.m.
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Wow, so we basically got him. I’m customizing my Peavy t-shirt jersey right now on the Yankee website.
FYI: Phil Hughes changed his number back to sixty-five.
Why can’t this Peavy shit be dead? WHY?
Pads need to keep it going so the Cubs cave
If there’s a big name player the Yankees aren’t attached to somehow, nobody reads the stories.
isnt anyone concerned with peavy’s make-up. after all the critisms that sabathia got for wanting to stay in cali, peavy seems to want to stay in the NL and now the yankees are more attractive with CC. Why Jake? Because you dont want to be the number 1 starter in the big bad american league with a DH.
This guy is not a NY guy. He wants to stay out of the AL and stay off the East because that is where the most competition is.
5 years is a year too long, and we all prefer Sheets, but it sounds like the yankees are in on sheets as well.
it’s a matter of who will take it.
i’d rather have Burnett for 5 than Lowe for 4. and i’d rather have Sheets for 2, but who knows what his market is yet.
CC/CMW/AJ/Joba/Andy is a FANTASTIC rotation. and a rotation that will strike out a LOT of hitters.
i think rosenthal or heyman said the braves are willing to go z money on burnett
Do it Braves, Do it now, you know you want to. Yo guys have no rotation outside of Jurjens. Do it, DO IT NOW?
yeah whatever nation
dude your posts are short
and you don’t capitalize or punctuate
Punctuation is for sissies; in fact, so is capitalization.
damn there
much better
i dont know they keep bringin up that peavy to yanks is still possible
yeah dude thats so crazy
so you’re saying there’s a chance
What was all that one in a million stuff?
If the Yanks go Lowe/Burnett I’ll be a little pissed, but not next year so much. I’ll be more pissed in 2-3 years when they both suck or when Burnett blows out his arm.
I’d prefer Sheets/Pettitte just because I think the quality of player is essentially washed by the flexibility. My opinion is that 2009 Lowe > 2009 Pettitte, but 1 year >>>>>> 4-5 years, so I go Pettitte. 2009-2011 Burnett > 2009-2011 Sheets, but 2-3 years >> 5 years, so, again, I go Sheets.
My plan can easily backfire though. 1, 2, 8 years of Pavano isn’t worth it so whoever gets signed has to be healthy. I guess it’s all about injury risk.
Lowe is pretty durable, so I’m not too upset if he gets signed, but he will be 40 or 41 by the end of that contract which just does not bode well. Burnett may have turned a corner, but history tells us it’s more likely that he pitches 150-170 innings of decent-good baseball. If he’s a 200 IP guy for the next 5 years, well, he’ll be on the Braves not the Yanks. Sheets is the “biggest risk” (I really don’t know why based on the post by Mike), but he will also sign the shortest deal. So if you’re only getting 60% quality from WHOEVER you sign, it makes the most sense to just go with the shortest deal and try to pick up another big FA later on (Webb comes to mind).
Regardless of which FA gets signed, I think bringing Pettitte back is the only other option just because he only wants a 1 year deal. he slots in to the 4/5 position and even if he’s only league average he’s worth it. Locking up 3 players not named CC, Johan, Brandon, etc. to long term deals is going to come back to bite the Yanks in the ass big time.
you think the yankees should base their decisions about their 2009 and 2010 rotations based on the possibility that Brandon Webb MAY become a free agent in 2011?
and you really think that if Webb were a FA and the yankee wanted him, they couldn’t find either the money or the spot in their rotation for him?
2 years is a baseball eternity. and there really aren’t any attractive starters on next years market. there is Harden, but if you thnk Burnett can’t stay healthy….
Webb isn’t the only option, he’s just the first one that came to mind. I understand your point, but do you REALLY want Burnett at 36 and Lowe at 40 making $18 million a year? Haven’t we gone down that road enough times in the last 8-10 years? I’m not saying I have the answer because I don’t. If signing Burnett/Lowe to 5 year deals nets us 2 WS in the next 3 years is it worth it? Probably.
I just think that Joba/Wang/CC/whoever is a strong enough post season rotation to compete in that same time frame. I honestly don’t think we need Burnett and Lowe. I think this team CAN win the WS with Pettitte and Sheets and still have the flexibility for future FA signings (whether it be an arm or a bat).
Things we will need by 2011: SS, C, 1B, LF, RF.
Like I said, I am not banking on anyone becoming a FA, I’m just trying to think about the future a bit. $330 million in pitchers this off-season is pretty stiff. Puts us in the same position we were in when we missed out on Beltran.
don’t get me wrong, i prefer Sheets as well. and i prefer Lowe the least.
but i don’t think anyone is saying the yankees are going to sign Burnett AND Lowe. just one or the other. or possibly sheets.
No to AJ for 5 years. sign sheets and pettite. save your money to sign holiday next year
Check Holliday’s splits. I think we’re better off saving that money.
Unless Holliday costs 4/40 you are 100% right. The trade to Oakland is the worst thing that could ever happen to Holliday going into a free agent year. His stats are going to tank.
Or he’s going to prove that he is a good hitter, and Coors messes with many peoples splits.
Not saying its true…just that its possible, Larry Walker & Gallaraga had some coors splits and they hit well for all the teams they played for
They hit well, and like holliday were good hitters. But they never repeated their Rockies #’s. Look at Walker’s 1997-2002. Absolutely sick. In consecutive years he hit .418 and .461 (not a typo) at home.
Yeah but Walker was a damn good hitter. I mean the dude put up an OPS+ (which are park-adjusted) over 150 in 5 our of 6 straight years. He was just plain good (even if Coors did help him a lot)
no doubt everyone is a better hitter in coors, what I’m saying is Walker had some bad years on the road when he was with the Rockies… but we know he’s a bonafied hitter.
Holliday’s numbers may go down, but they still may be very good, they probably aren’t going to drop like splits suggest
i agree the braves have to cave right about know im a braves fan
Not really. The Braves have little starting pitcher outside of Jurjens and are quite desperate for pitching.
Nevertheless, they could go out and try sign Sheets, something the yanks could do.
yeah i know i hope so dude
dude the braves are totally going to cave theres no way they dont its about to happen check espn right now im telling you the trade happened i really like hughes but the braves are really good too i also like the red sox too
heh heh
No one probably cares, but, I’m going to throw it out there anyway. Now that we locked up sabathia for more than I thought we would have to spend, why not resign pettitte to a 10-12 million dollar deal, and sign Sheet for a 2 yr 30 mil deal with possible incentives or a 3rd year option based on innings pitched. That would then amount to approx. 50 million spent on free agents and a solid rotation with 3 innings eaters in Sabathia, Wang, and Pettitte, one great pitcher who will be inning limited, and a high risk/high reward guy in Sheets. If Sheets does go down, atleast we have insurance with Hughes, Kennedy, and Aceves waiting in the wings. Also, that will leave a significant amount of money to shore up the offense with one power move of signing Manny. I’m not the biggest fan but the guy can flat out hit and would really change the entire look of the offense. Offer many a 2-3yr deal in the range of 50-75 mil, and then you have a total free agent spending of 75 million. Final product:
Sabathia
Wang
Sheets
Joba
Pettitte
LF-Damon
SS-Jeter
DH-Manny
3B-Arod
2B-Cano
C-Posada
1B-Swisher
RF-Nady
CF-Gardner
That is a ridiculous rotation and a great lineup, and the team will have saved money off the books from last year. I know Matsui wont figure to get much playing time here, but the difference in offense between Manny and Matsui is huge, and Matsui’s and Damon’s contracts are up at the end of next year.
Issue is Manny wants a long term deal, he wants to know he’s getting paid… Boras is asking 6 yrs, so very well may not settle for 2-3
Yeah right, everybody knows that’s not going to happen. I’d give him a three year offer tops (with a TEAM option)
I love it. Manny as DH would be great. If all he had to do was worry about hitting it would be sick. And you know he’d show up for all 19 games against the Sox. Probably to the tune of .450/.600/.750 just to spite those bitches.
ill actually bat manny behind a-rod but everythings perfect
Forget Pettitte if he keeps on insisting on a 16 mil contract
yeah but the braves have been connected with burnett more
braves are trading for burnett and signing peavy i heard it from rosenthal
thats awesome im stoked
haha thats a good one
great one
dude you guys are funny
i love lamp
LMAO
#2 free agent starter Lowe or Burnett?
Lowe will give you innings and durability, and as a ground ball pitcher you need to factor in the Yankee infield range.
Burnett can give you quality with swing and miss stuff. When he’s on, he can be unhittable. But don’t count on more than 25 starts per season.
Hate to say it, its Burnett for me. Like Sheets vs Pettitte, I feel like I have depth to back up the downside injury risk. I also don’t like the Yankee infield range on the left side of the infield, and as a righthander I figure Lowe will get more balls hit to that side (though I haven’t seen any charts to be 100% sure). I also like the way Burnett’s stuff should translate to the post season.
like the idea, love manny, but Lowe is growing on me especially if sheets is in the rotation. with joba getting about 160 IP and sheets probably coming in around 180 IP, I like the idea of having 2 horses in that rotation in sabathia and lowe who can give you 230 IP and go on three days rest when needed.
burnett gives you 2 healthy years maybe 3 during that contract…just cant trust the guy and why risk him for 5 years when sheets is very comparable and has been better in his career and will probably take a 2 year deal with a vesting option.
Burnett is pricing himself out of it. Lowe and Sheets will still leave room for a big time hitter — MANNY
tigers to acquire edwin jackson
damn jackson is really good i wish cashman couldve traded for him hed be great on the yanks
yeah i like jackson but hes no peavy that dudes awesome
im a tigers fan
when talking about signing and where the team will be in 3 years. Keep in mind that CC will be a free agent in three years.
This is not a 7 year deal, it is a 3 year deal. The only way he doesnt opt=out is if he has been aweful.
So best case scenario is that in three years the yankees are going through this process with CC and trying to sign him to another contract
They’ll have an exclusive window though, and if he has success, he’ll love NY. We’ll still offer him the most money. If he succeeds in NY, he’s not going anywhere. If he doesn’t succeed and leaves, then oh well.
A 4yr $92M contract is still a significant contract. It’s not obvious to me that anyone will be willing to significantly beat that unless CC wins (or at least deserves) at least one CY young in the first 3 years. Considering that no one went over 5yr/$100M now, why would we expect anything different in 3 years? And is 5yr/$100M really any better than 4yr/$92M?
Wasn’t the whole “CC’s not coming to NYC” meme predicated on the idea that he doesn’t care just about the money but wants to be somewhere where he’s comfortable?
All of a sudden, he’s a money-grubbing selfish bastard who’s a mortal lock to opt out and leave us hanging?
Is Millhouse a meme yet?
I know he’s got more injury problems, but how much worse is AJ Burnett than Carlos Zambrano? A year and a half ago, the Cubs gave Zambrano a 5 year $91.5M contract with a vesting 6th year. Obviously, Zambrano has not had the injury issues that Burnett has had, but from a quality standpoint, they seem about equal.
Over the past 4 seasons (basically since AJ came back from TJ) they averaged:
Burnett: 183IP, 0.84 HR/9, 8.9 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, and a 2.7 K:BB
Zambrano: 211IP, 0.88 HR/9, 7.7 K/9, 4.0 BB/9, and a 1.9 K:BB
You may argue that Zambrano is overpaid, but I certainly see a 5yr/$80M contract for AJ in line with other significant deals that were signed.
Saying Zambrano and Burnett have been about equal aside from the injuries is like saying the maiden voyage of the Titanic went great aside from a little run-in with an ice floe.
Based on what?
How about ERA? The most important thing a pitcher can do is prevent runs from being score. AJ’s career best ERA+ is 122. Zambrano is at 128 for his career, with years of 139, 160, 135, and 136.
Actually, the most important thing a pitcher can do is strike people out, not walk them, and not give up home runs. AJ was better at all 3. Balls hit in play are up to the defense. (You can also look at GB/FB ratio, which should help out the defense – and AJ was better there too).
Also, a significant portion of that ERA+ difference is because the league ERA was higher for Zambrano than for AJ. I think it’s safe to say that an AL pitcher with the same ERA as an NL pitcher would be viewed as better.
Another thing that is rather important is making 32-34 starts a year and pitching 200+ innings: something that Burnett is notoriously bad at doing.
From 2003-2005 they were both in the NL. Zambrano was aged 22,23,24 during these years, Burnett was 26,27,28. Go look at those 3 years and tell me how much better Zambrano was than Burnett. Light years.
AJ Burnett had TJ Surgery in 2003. I think those 3 years are not exactly a good comparison. Also, there are 3 more recent season to look at.
Ok, compare them all. Zambrano is a better pitcher and younger than AJ, ie, deserves more $. If they were both free agents right now, Zambrano would get a bigger deal than AJ, no question.
Zambrano signed the deal heading into this prime. Burnett is signing at the end of what wasn’t really a great prime.
Is Mark Texeira honestly looking at the Nationals thats all I have seen on him in a while would he really want to go to that much of a losing team?
I thought you weren’t posting anymore?
MAN, this place is a tough crowd.
Haha, I’m only teasing.
stark is reporting that peavy to the cubs starting to break down it looks like peavy might be wearing pinstripes after all
and where is this
Or he’ll stay in camouflage on Sundays I guess!
really what do you think we will have to give up to get him maybe kennedy melky veras or igawa
nah thats too much kennedy melky and duncan should do it im not sure which duncan eric or shelly theyre both really good i think we should ask for gonzalez too if we throw in veras or igawa but the padres will probably have to eat some of peavys contract just to make it even what do you guys think
gonzalez is a padre untouchable. adding him to the deal is a pipe dream
Cubs are having major problems and this keeps dragging on. They are already going to have make this a 4 team deal, soon its going to increase to a 5 team deal and get even more compicated for all the parties involved. Yankees need to just swoop in and save Peavy away from the nightmare he is in now like they did when they traded for Arod 5-6 years ago!
espn
do you often post questions on Keith Law’s chat’s and get accused of Klaw Baiting?
probably specially now that the yanks have cc it looks like peavy may want to come here and that would the second big deal the padres fail to strike
omg dude thats so awesome i cant wait lets go order matching 27peavy jerseys
to quote billy bob in Bad Santa.
“Are you fucking with me????”
Unfortunately I dont think the Yankees see Pettitte in ther future.Choice 1 AJ or Lowe. Choice 2 Sheets. Personaly I prefer Pettitte and Sheets. I think the Yankees are ging to negotiate contracts based on what the player is going to do for them not what he has done or whohe is. Love ya Jeter but that might not be a pretty situation in years to come.
no
yeah i dont post on klaw blog that guys crappy he dont like peavy to the yanks
your sarcasm gets pretty played out quickly
/disagree
dude what is your problem why cant we just be happy that were getting peavy
dude what is your problem why cant we just be happy that were getting peavy for Melky and Horne
cashman shouldve traded them for sanatana last year when he could at least were getting peavy tho
i enjoyed….these postS
That would great if we could get Peavy for just those 2 but I think a third player might need to be added.
I keep hearing the Yankees have an interest in Rick Ankiel, the Cards have an interest in Kennedy. Could a deal actually get done???
For the love of baby Jesus, can you please reply to the specific comments instead of randomly peppering the thread with poorly articulated one-liners?
this is not time for sarcasm
neither is this time good for sacrasming currently now as we speak
what number will peavy wear people will boo if he takes girardis 27
This is why retaining Cashman was a bad idea. A. J. is another Pavano waiting to happen. Cashman really knows baseball talent through the back of baseball cards, someone stop him before it’s too late.
Actually Burnett, next to Texierra is the most sure-thing in the entire Free agent class.
Pavano?
In his best day he never had half the stuff Burnett has and Burnett contrary to common belief pitches plenty of innings and is 100% healthy and wasn’t used or abused last season.
He’s ready ot have a huge 2-34 seasons.
can someone tell me what is going on. Is peavy being traded?
not to the yankees, its a joke.
a rotation with CC, Wang, Peavy, Burnett, Joba would be the stuff of legends
So would the resultant inability for the Yankees to fill any holes on the MLB team from within. Ever again.
The Yankees filling a hole from within? Don’t speak of such atrocities.
who do you think we are?! the rays!!?