Lunch time rumors: Teixeira, Burnett and Lowe

Yanks, Brewers hammering out deal for Cameron
2008 Rule 5 Draft

Mike’s about to start his Rule V live-blog, but let’s sum up some Yankee rumors. The mill never stops around here.

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Yanks, Brewers hammering out deal for Cameron
2008 Rule 5 Draft
  • A.D.

    Lowe + Burnett seems unnecessary & a waste of cash

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Agreed. One or the other. (Or neither.) But for god’s sakes, not both.

      1) CC
      2) Wang
      3) Joba
      4) Burnett
      5) ROSTER FLEXIBILITY

  • Alan

    Signing CC and Teixeira would be beyond my wildest imagination of how this off-season would go. You’d think that’d throw us right back to approximately the same salary level we were at last year, so much for looking to cut back eh?

    • Matthew

      I wouldn’t be so sure on that one.

      Right now I have it at 181. That’s with 20 of the 25 players on a 25 man roster.

      Add Burnett, cause no way he turns down 17M, and Tex at at least 20M, that’s 218, with 3 more roster spots to fill. Even if those 3 spots were league min, that’s still over the 08 opening day salary. Oh, plus add 7M from Giambi and Pavano’s buyout…

      I don’t care what they spend, they just aren’t going to be cutting salary.

  • Matthew

    I’d rather Tex over Manny, for the long term.

    I can’t see the Yanks signing Lowe/Tex/Burnett, I think it’s more like 1 of the pitchers def, and maybe Tex.

  • doty25

    What are the yankees doing? 5 yrs for burnett @ 17million! Is Cashman out of his mind???

  • andrew

    i dont think its fair to assume the yankees will add a bat and that it will be tex or manny. there are still so many concerns – aj, sheets, lowe, pettitte, melky/cameron deal. so much money being spent, i dont know if they will want to throw another 20-25 million AAV at a bat. Dunn probably makes more sense because he will be in the 10-15 AAV range.

    Farnsworth to the Royals for 2/9!

  • gxpanos

    If the Yankees sign Burnett for that ridiculous 5/85 I don’t think Hal would let them be a real player for Tex, which they COULD afford to be.

    Someone needs to run Burnett over or plant some HGH on him or some crap. C’mon, Braves!

    PS: I wonder what Braves blogs think about AJ. I bet they don’t want him, either.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      PS: I wonder what Braves blogs think about AJ. I bet they don’t want him, either.

      Do they have the internet in Georgia yet?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Dammit Ben, it’s Rule 5, not Rule V!!! The Winter Meetings binder they gave us explicitly said so.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      That’s probably because everyone I know used to call it the Rule Vee draft until it was pointed out that V was actually the roman numeral for 5 in this case.

      • gg

        the only way tex is worth it is if its to keep tex out of bean town or atleast make them pay max for him…

        My how after one move the tables have turned

        I would like tex but as far as replacements for big G and abreu would you rather have tex and swisher or dunn and swisher i think the dunn move is much cheaper, shorther, and provides more roster flexibility…Manny deserves some consideration as well but i think it would be better to try and build a really young allbeit high priced team better than what the sawx got just a whole lot more expensive and with 3 regulars who are going to look very old in 2011

        • gg

          while if tex joined boston they would have the MLB’s best young core for the next three years

          • Mike Pop

            OOO NOOOEESS!!

  • Stryker

    why is there absolutely zero interest in adam dunn – not just from the yankees but the rest of baseball?!

    some team will steal him from under the league’s nose.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’m as baffled as you. Perhaps J.P. Riccardi has more pull than we imagined.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Corey, I’m glad you’re pounding that drum with me.

        At this point, give me one of Lowe/Burnett/Sheets (the latter two, please) and Pettitte and Adam Dunn.

        Damon LF
        Jeter SS
        Dunn DH
        Rodriguez 3B
        Posada C
        Swisher 1B
        Nady/Matsui RF
        Cano 2B
        Cameron/Gardner CF

        Nady and Matsui should platoon. Nady because he’s not good against right handers and Matsui because of his health. To save him farther, you could DH him against righties and put Dunn in right.

        I’m going home for break over the weekend. Brian Cashman lives like…40 minutes from me. I’ll go knock on doors and beat the drum for Dunn.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’m good with that… but who the hell is Corey?

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            haha, Corey is Stryker. I know him from other iNt3rtUb3s places.

  • Moses

    Who needs Tex now? Sabathia can play 1B; do you remember those monster shots he hit in Milwaukee? Now that would be bang for the buck. Seriously though, while I have bad memories of the Wanger rounding 3rd, the big fella might deserve an AB or two…

    • Mike Pop

      Na, Melky is as good as gone. We wont need to have a guy pinch hit for him

      • andrew

        zing!

  • Mike Pop

    As much as some of us do not want AJ or Lowe it would be an awesome offseason if we could get 1 of them and either hitter mentioned plus we already have CC.. Thats a great offseason.. Bring Tex to the Bronx ! Or Manny !!

  • Ed

    Signing CC, Burnett, and Lowe sounds like it would be completely abandoning the idea of developing young pitchers. You’d have to trade Wang or waste Joba in the pen to fit in Hughes or anyone else.

    And I guess we were all taken for fools when we believed the talk of a cheaper, more flexible roster. Especially if they sign Tex or Manny.

    • Stryker

      yeah – i’ve had this bad taste in my mouth about all this rumored spending on free agent pitching.

    • gxpanos

      Cashman would get flexible all ALL OVER EVERYONE’S FACE with another ring as a result of Tex being a PERFECT FIT on the Yankees.

    • Reggie C.

      I guess the Yanks’ tailor can start taking Burnett’s measurements b/c the Braves are very unlikely to top the dollar offer. Argh… we got to make the best out of an undesired result.

      At this point you go sign Pettitte for a year. Forget Sheets and Lowe. Hughes must get a shot at full-time rotation work in 2010. Must.

      • daneptizl

        No. Hughes=2009.

        • gg

          yes hughes trade kennedy to an NL west team like the rockies for his own sake

          • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

            if it was “for his own sake” … coors field wouldnt be the best idea

            • gg

              i feel that i just said them bc they like him, put him in petco as part of a peavy deal and forget lowe, i dont want members of the ’04 team

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                forget lowe, i dont want members of the ‘04 team

                *cough*JohnnyDamon*cough*

                OR…

                *cough*MannyRamirez*cough*

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      i believed the front office when they said they wanted to become more flexible… but i dont think anyone in their right mind that has EVER followed the yankees thought they would ever become a “cheap” roster

      • Stryker

        mmhmm. but at this point, with the addition of CC and the rumors of lowe and burnett that forces hughes out of the rotation and absolutely diminishes his opportunity to develop.

        at this point i think it’s best that hughes develops in the majors. he has nothing left to prove in the minors and would only continue to shut teams down. he needs to have the opportunity to face major league hitting if we want him to become anything close to what he’s projected to be.

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

          all im saying is the yankees will never be “cheap” … u can avoid sheffield/giambi contracts and hope to remain flexible… but “cheap” will never describe the yankees, and thats the way it should be

      • Ed

        I didn’t say cheap, I said cheaper. There’s no reason for the Yankees to not have one of the biggest payrolls, but if your payroll is ~50% higher than the next highest team, you’re just doing something wrong.

        Another way of looking at how absurd the payroll is: they finished in 3rd place despite spending more than the 1st and 2nd place teams combined.

  • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

    i find it very unwise to plug up 3 rotation spots for the next several years by signing both aj AND lowe… though signing one doesnt bother me if the price is right ((for the record, 5/85 i do not find to be the “right” price))

    i said this last night, but assuming sheets is healthy enough to pitch, i would pass on both aj and lowe, and sign both sheets and pettitte… that gives u 3 durable workhorses in the staff ((CC, wang, andy)) and 2 guys who cant be counted on for 34 starts but have very high quality high upside production when they actually do pitch ((joba, sheets))

    a staff like this is i think would be very complementary of each other, giving the yankees a staff that can prevent the pen from being overworked, while allowing hughes/kennedy/aceves to further develop in the minors or come up in case of injury… so it would benefit the kids as well… not to mention all 5 starters are capable of sub-4 era’s.

    and since sheets/pettitte would come at a lower cost than aj or lowe, we may could still squeeze in room for a bat, hopefully adam dunn

    clearly, however, pitching should be our priority…. i just hope we’re smart about it

    • Stryker

      i have to agree with you, slugger. i don’t know if it’s desperation on the yankees’ part or what, but i thought cashman would be smarter and realize that pettitte and sheets not only would cost less (especially since we gave CC more money annually pretty much all of us will see in our lives), but they’re less of a commitment, so to speak.

      i thought that would work extremely well with cashman’s apparent philosophy to develop farm system arms, but now it seems like nothing’s changed.

    • Reggie C.

      There’s still a way to ensure that Hughes won’t be wasted as a 6th starter beyond 2009 , and thats accomplished by getting Pettitte on a ONE year deal. As much as Sheets is desirable on a 2/3 year deal, by getting Burnett the yanks fulfill the “high-risk of injury” quota. There’s really no point in getting Sheets now since Pettitte is cool with taking a 1 year deal.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Except that Sheets is better than Pettitte.

        • Reggie C.

          I agree. Still i don’t want to see the Yanks practically condemn Hughes to a 6th man role for the next 2/3 full seasons. Hughes didn’t dominate the minors to merely spot start. I’m not the biggest Hughes supporter on this site, but I’m a supporter of the farm, and to sign Sheets would completely put it aside.

          • Nady Nation

            Agreed. Also, Sheets and Burnett in the same rotation isn’t exactly the model of health.

        • gg

          andy deserves to be a part of the 2009 team to open the stadium a lot more than ben sheets though and he’d be suitable as a backend guy/innings eater on the super-staff were building

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            andy deserves to be a part of the 2009 team to open the stadium

            All he has to do is sign the contract presented to him.

          • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

            deserve has nothing to do with it

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Except that Sheets is better than Pettitte.

          That’s true. However, come 2010, Hughes could be better than both of them. That’s the rub.

          Hence, assuming that our front four is now CC-Wang-Joba-Burnett, I agree, I take Pettitte for 1 over Sheets for anything more than 1.

      • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

        sheets is better than pettitte, and like i said, i want both

        not with the idea that pettitte will be a better pitcher than aj or lowe… but because the yankees farm system strength is young pitching, and it wouldnt make sense to block it by clogging up rotation spots for several years… the idea i liked was that sheets/pettitte would be much shorter commitments than the 5 years for aj or 4 for lowe

        the attraction to lowe was the durability, consistently, stability… but that becomes less of a priority after signing CC, and especially if we keep pettitte…

        THEREFORE, in my eyes, the idea is to maximize potential in the short term without sacrificing rotation spots/huge sums of money in the long term, hence signing sheets and passing on aj/lowe… and remember, if anyone gets hurt, hughes/ipk/aceves are all in the minors waiting to come up

  • gg

    i’d try to keep tex from boston and if they got him i’d get manny but if you can keep tex from boston AND not have to commit to him for that many years foolishly, i’d think adam dunn is the best fit in the lineup instead

    • Stryker

      apparently tex to the sox is as good as finished.

      so much for wanting to stay the hell away from the organization, amirite?!

      • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

        link?

  • zack

    If the Sox sign Tex, it doesn’t really matter how many pitchers the Yanks sign, because that Sox offense will pound the heck out of anyone they throw up there.

    As Cliff puts it:

    L – Jacoby Ellsbury (CF)
    R – Dustin Pedroia (2B)
    S – Mark Teixeira (1B)
    R – Kevin Youkilis (3B)
    L – David Ortiz (DH)
    R – Jason Bay (LF)
    L – J.D. Drew (RF)
    S – Jed Lowrie (SS)
    Does it really matter? (C)

    That can’t be allowed to happen.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      L – Johnny Damon (DH)
      R – Derek Jeter (SS)
      L – Robinson Cano (2B)
      R – Alex Rodriguez (3B)
      R – Manny Ramirez (LF)
      S- Jorge Posada (C)
      R – Xavier Nady (RF)
      S – Nick Swisher (1B)
      R – Mike Cameron (CF)

      And I raise you the better starting rotation and better bullpen.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        But what about Matsui?

        • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

          backup dh?? pinch hitter??

          i think matsui can still be a productive hitter, but if they sign manny, then manny becomes the DH and thats that

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          But what about Matsui?

          CC’s personal sushi chef.

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            At $13 mil/year? Seesh.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              He can also make a damn fine kobe beef steak. And, he’s got porn.

              Sushi + kobe beef + massive amounts of porn = $13M of value

  • E-ROC

    Cameron trade hits a roadblock.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....038;ATT=49

    • http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_postseason.jsp?c_id=mlb&playerID=121250&statType=2 Slugger27

      the yanks want some salary relief… if thats the holdup, im fine with it

    • Mike Pop

      Uh-oh

  • JT

    Heard something on the radio about getting Cameron was a selling point to CC from Cashman. CC hasn’t signed yet, you dont think not getting Cameron will have an affect on the CC deal?

    • excuzemoi numero two

      if 161 million over 7 years with an out clause is not enough i dont want him to sign then. this is a negotiation not a rape.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I refuse to believe that. I would be shocked and appauled if CC signing with the Yanks was contingent upon altering Mike Cameron’s life.