Dec
06
Melky & Cano strong in the Caribbean
ByI usually post the winter league wrap ups on Sundays, but I’ll be on my way to the most beautiful and romantic place on Earth tomorrow, so here you go:
- Melky Cabrera: 15 for 46 (.326), 8 R, 2 2B, 5 RBI, 4 BB, 6 K, 1 SB in 12 games
- Robbie Cano: 13 for 41 (.317), 12 R, 6 2B, 7 RBI, 5 BB, 2 K, 1 SB, 1 HBP in 10 games … 5 walks & 2 strikes? who is this man and what has he done with Robinson Cano?
- Frankie Cervelli: 10 for 37 (.270), 8 R, 1 2B, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 7 BB, 9 K, 1 CS, 1 HBP in 17 games
- Justin Christian: 42 for 143 (.294), 22 R, 7 2B, 3 HR, 17 RBI, 13 BB, 21 K, 12 SB, 1 CS, 1 HBP in 35 games
- Reegie Corona; 15 for 56 (.268), 10 R, 5 2B, 1 HR, 9 RBI, 3 BB, 6 K, 1 SB in 26 games
- Walt Ibarra: 14 for 70 (.200), 3 R, 2 RBI, 6 BB, 16 K, 3 SB, 1 CS in 32 games
- Ramiro Pena: 16 for 63 (.254), 7 R, 3 2B, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 CS, 2 HBP in 19 games
- Jon Albaladejo: 10.2 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 7 K, 1 WP in 9 appearances
- Wilkins Arias: 7.1 IP, 12 H, 14 R, 14 ER, 1 BB, 10 K, 1 HB, 2 WP in 13 appearances
- Ian Kennedy: 28.2 IP, 14 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 10 BB, 25 K, 2 HB, 1 WP in 5 starts
If I have my dates correct, IPK will be starting for Mayaguez tonight. Here’s the scoreboard, which will eventually get you to the box score.
Use this as your open thread for the evening. You know the routine, don’t be a dick to each other.
Totally unrelated but…will Tim Tebow be a successful QB in the NFL? I’m gonna say no. And go Giants.
Why do you think he won’t ? You think he is a system qb ?
I just don’t see his style transferring to the NFL. It seems like he can’t throw well enough to be successful at the next level.
Heh, my pops just said the same thing
I was thinking the same thing when I was reading the original question. His throws are kind of, ehhhhhh
His throws look pretty damn good so far today against the best D in the country.
He is a great college QB. I am not saying that he isn’t. Let’s see what he does when he is getting pounded by NFL defenses. He isn’t going to be able to run like he does.
I heard scouts are telling him to stay in school for another year, because he won’t be drafted as a quarterback. I don’t follow college football so much anymore, so that could be wrong.
Tebow’s running skills would be all but negated in the pros. The average college linbacker is what? 210 215 lbs? In the pros they’re like 240 and fast as hell, he would get his ass handed to him every time he tried to run.
Game over.
Totally related—good to see Cano learning how to walk. I hope it translates in the regular season this year…. Frankie C. drawing walks is very nice, too…I think it’s pretty clear that Melky will never have any sort of power.
Is Kennedy facing stronger/weaker hitters than the AFL?
Weaker in general, but there are some good prospects in that league. I think LaPorta is playing there.
On Average: Weaker.
Not that there aren’t MLB or top prospects playing there. AFL is ALL top-prospects, though. I’d say that PR Winter ball is a step below AFL, but not a huge one.
He faced Luis Polonia tonight.
I’m glad to see Albaladejo overpowering hitters this winter. He’ll be quite the useful cog in the Bronx bullpen in 2009.
Yea, I like Albaladejo a lot. I hope he stays healthy this year. If he does, I think he could be like Veras but better. Much better.
How did Veras have a 3.59 ERA w/a 1.405 WHIP? Damn.
I always forget bout JA. He makes Veras and Edwar even more expendable
Edwar is my boy. Trade Veras all you want, but leave my Eddie alone!
I like Edwar a lot. If he could just figure out his fastball, he could be a great pitcher. Until he does, his change–despite its nastiness–well get rocked from dudes sitting on it all the time.
Edwar has a fastball?
When you have a change as good as his, you don’t need a great fastball. Ask Trevor Hoffman.
You Edwar doubters will see. One day we will be in a huge jam late in a playoff game, with our fate hanging in the balance, and he will come out of the bullpen and get a key strikeout that will save our season.
Agreed. Edwar has such a special change that if his control is good, he’s basically unhittable.
“if his control is good” thats the key my friend, because if he loses control, he walks guys and they just sit on the fastball. But he is a good cog to have in the bullpen, especially if they have been seeing 96 mph fastballs from Joba all night and he comes in with a drop off the table changeup.
Ya but he needs to figure it out first before he becomes good enough to be on my team !!!!
He doesn’t need more fastball, just adding a wrinkle to his fastball would keep it off the fat of the bat and make him almost unhittable. He fooled around with a cutter this year, maybe that or he changes the grip on his fastball a bit and that makes all the difference he needs.
Edwar matches up very well against aggressive hitters, and there will be spots where he will be very useful.
The Clippard-Albaladejo trade IMO was very underrated. A great move by Cashman to deal a guy who’s never going to be anyone to acquire a young overpowering bullpen arm that could translate into a very successful middle reliever.
Does that sound accurate?
It was a good one, for sure. I think it’ll look a lot smarter if/when JA is healthy this year and has a good season.
Limited sample size, I know, but Tyler Clippard’s career walk rates are terrible. I’d say that was a good trade.
He didn’t even have a consistent delivery. He’d throw one pitch and land toward home plate, then throw the next one and be 3 steps toward the Yankee dugout. It was the most bizarre thing I ever saw from a MLB pitcher, and it drove me nuts.
I don’t think we should be reserving spots in Cooperstown because he traded Tyler Clippard for a decent reliever.
point out the post that suggested anything of the sort.
“Cashman made an underrated trade” now equals “Cashman is a Hall of Famer”?
How about when he got Bobby Abreu for nothing?
How about when he got Nick Swisher for nothing?
How about when he got Nady/Marte for Tabata+garbage?
How about when he got A-Rod for Soriano straight up AND got Texas to pick up 1/3 of A-Rod’s contract?
How about when he got Jose Molina for Jeff Kennard?
How about getting Sanchez/Claggett/Whelan for an old, banged up, malcontent Sheffield who had nowhere to play on the team?
The Swisher deal had a friend of mine in Seattle screaming “collusion.”
Cashman still has work to do this winter. much of what he does or doesn’t do will define him for the next few seasons.
but i was just pointing out a pretty blatant strawman argument.
Some people scream that every time the Yanks do anything.
IPK will face Melky todat, is a interleague game…(J.Peralta,Melky,M.Bourn..etc..)
I hope Melky stays in the Caribbean and decides to play baseball there full-time.
Heh, maybe we can trade him for a young prospect
True. Hopefully…
melky is a good guy dunno why everyone hates him so much hes still young
I think Melky still has a shot to be a pretty decent/good player. Just maybe not on the Yanks.
He is a 4th/5th OF on a good/great team. I guess he could start on a mediocre team.
How much better is Ellisbury than Melky?
Eh, tough to say. Ellsbury’s better at getting on base, and he’s faster. Neither are going to hit for much power, and the jury’s still out on whether either can hit for average. I’d probably take Ellsbury for speed + OBP based on his CF defense, but I’m not enamored with either.
Melky isn’t as bad as he was last yr and either is Ellsbury. But Ellsbury is far and away the better prospect.
yup
What makes you say Melky isn’t as bad as he was last year? Nothing that Melky’s done so far in his career, both Majors and Minors, makes me think he’s ever going to be any good really.
Melky was one of the most unlucky players in all of baseball on balls in play last year. With average luck his OPS would have been around .700 instead of .641. Still nothing great, but Yankee fans probably wouldn’t be calling for his execution.
i agree, but there is A LOT of room between “good” and “not as bad as he was last year”.
there is plenty of evidence that he isn’t as bad as was last year, namely his two previous seasons.
his future is likely as a fourth OFer, but that doesn’t mean his true talent is .249/.301/341 either.
I should have put this in one comment, sorry.
“Nothing that Melky’s done so far in his career, both Majors and Minors, makes me think he’s ever going to be any good really.”
How does a .360 OBP over 524 PAs at 21 years old not make you think he could be pretty good eventually?
Ellsbury’s career OBP: .346
Melky’s career OBP: .329
That’s not that big a difference. Obviously Ellsbury has much more speed, but I don’t think there is that big a gap between the two. Also consider that Melky is a year younger.
I don’t want to defend Ellsbury because I think he was vastly overrated coming into this season, but that’s a pretty huge difference. A team OBP of .346 is something like five wins better than .329.
However, I agree with your overall point that there isn’t much difference between the two when you consider their ages.
Beautiful thing to see Robbie OBP of .439. Although Melky’s putting up some pretty good in winter league, I’m liking what JC’s numbers are looking like. Assuming an outfield of Damon, Gardner, Nady; would you guys rather have Melky as the 4th OF, or let JC assume that position and give Melky more time in AAA to prove a sustained level of production. I don’t know if the kid will ever have his place with the Yankees, but I’m stubbornly optimistic that he rebuilds that damn trade value.
Nick Sabean is a coward
do u guys like burnett cuz he is good but there are injury risks so its hard to decide how much u like him ya know
If the Braves want to give him 5 years, they can have him. I’ll sign Sheets and get a better pitcher (who’s just as injury prone) for 2 years instead. Worse case “Carl Pavano”-esque scenario, its only 2 years.
i guess i just think sheets is the much larger risk mainly cuz he actually is injured this minute
Ditto.
You can’t compare Sheets and Burnett. Burnett is actually healthy and has pitched well in the Al East. Sheets walked away last yr hurt and has pitched in the much weaker NL.
Who cares if its a 4 or 5 yr deal? This is the Yankees one advantage over all others. The fact that they can do these deals and not think twice.
Oh yes, you can and very easily. ERA+ adjusts for league, ballpark and other factors.
Burnett’s career ERA+ 111
http://www.baseball-reference......a.01.shtml
Sheet’s career ERA+ 116
http://www.baseball-reference......be01.shtml
Also, Sheets walks 1.98/9IP whereas Burnett walks 3.71/9IP (almost double the walk rate)
Sheets is a better pitcher.
Oh yes, you can and very easily. ERA+ adjusts for league, ballpark and other factors.
Burnett’s career ERA+ 111
Sheet’s career ERA+ 116
http://www.baseball-reference......be01.shtml
Also, Sheets walks 1.98/9IP whereas Burnett walks 3.71/9IP (almost double the walk rate)
Sheets is a better pitcher.
Love that spam filter.
http://www.baseball-reference......a.01.shtml
Please explain when Burnett pitched well in the AL east? Certainly not this year, with his 4.07 ERA. And the previous 2 years, he only pitched 135 and 165 innings. That’s the pedigree of a #3 starter at best.
yes, this year. 221 innings of 105 ERA+ fits any reasonable definition of “pitching well”.
Hypothetical question. I was just reading on MLBTR.com that the offers for Furcal are not exactly rolling in, many speculate it could be the economy. So my question is this, if you could get Furcal to play second base could the Yanks send Cano, Kennedy and probably another guy (not Ajax) to the Padres for Peavy? Is something like this possible? I like Furcal much better as a 2B option over guys like Grudz, O-Dawg, or anyone else that is really out there.
i really like this idea too i think furcal is very underrated and we need peavey pretty badly since it looks like were not getting cc
Why does it look like we aren’t getting CC?
There are only two known offers (Yankees and Brewers) and our offer is $40 million more and an extra year ( though the Brewers have thought about upping their offer to $110 million over 6 years). Many have said that those two mystery offers are fake. Additionally, the Angels want Teixeira more than CC and the Giants said any offer they make would be way less than the Yankees.
Oh yeah, CC has never said he does not want to come to NY.
actions speak louder than words if he wanted to play in ny he would have accepted his offer if you prefer to play on the west coast that doesnt mean you hte ny but it also doesnt mean you would enjoy playing there if he wanted to be here he would be
He may just want more money and is trying to get us to up our offer. This happens with most free agents and their agents. Very few free agents and even fewer major free agents sign before the winter meetings.
He may just want more money and is trying to get us to up our offer. This happens with most free agents and their agents. Very few free agents and even fewer major free agents sign before the winter meetings.
Thank you! All you guys need to calm down with this CC hasnt signed yet so he dont wanna play hear garbage. No number one free agents have ever signed before the winter meetings to my recolation. Its called business. If you know you can make more money by waiting….wouldnt it make sense to wait??
let me ask u this if the dodgers or angels or giants had the same offer out u think cc would still be unsigned?
Yes. I’d think if the Angels, Dodgers, or Giants get involved, then CC will be a free agent longer than if we have the only offer out. If the West coast gets involved, CC know he can get a bidding war and drive up his price and years the longer he stays a free agent. With just our offer he knows we’re the only option, unless he wants to take a far lesser offer.
I’ll put it to you this way, if CC wants to sign with the West Coast so badly, why hasn’t he? He surely could give the teams a huge discount (for example 5 years $90 million) so that they would have to sign him.
I doubt the Padres want Cano, because of his contract. They are trading Peavy, because he is too expensive, why would they want Cano?
Bingo. Now if you were saying Cano for Kemp and then replace him with Furcal, I would have to consider that.
It would be pretty tempting actually.
Well if you can move Cano for Kemp (I don’t think you could do that straight up) then does that make AJax expendable? So lets say you do the following:
Cano and someone else for Kemp
Sign Furcal to play 2nd
Ajax, Kennedy, Romine for Peavy
Sure we lose arguably 2 of our 3 best position prospects, but in a 5 game series where you throw either Peavy, CC, Joba or if you don’t get CC it’s still Peavy, Joba, Wang. Thats the best in baseball either way, and it’s not even close.
Sure we lose arguably 2 of our 3 best position prospects, but in a 5 game series where you throw either Peavy, CC, Joba or if you don’t get CC it’s still Peavy, Joba, Wang. Thats the best in baseball either way, and it’s not even close.
First of all Peavy is not better then CC second of all Joba right now is not better theng Wang.
Well I wasn’t putting them in the order I would start them. But I do think by the end of the season you could flip Joba and Wang as far as the game 3 starter. Regardless of what order you start those 4 in, it’s still dominant.
I don’t know if Kemp would really have a huge effect on whether we would deal Jackson. I believe Kemp played RF primarily in the minors and is only an average centerfielder defensively. He will probably move to a corner in the next few years as he fills out.
Now I would not be opposed to your trade suggestions though (however, I’d prefer to keep Romine).
I wish the yankees would make a strong push for Peavy along with Sabathia. Those two+Wang+Joba would let us make another run in the playoffs. But, if you get Kemp(hypothetically speaking of course), then you wouldn’t want to trade ajax b/c Kemp and ajax in our future outfield would be awesome.
Why would the Padres want Cano when they’re trying to cut payroll? He’s guaranteed $27M over the next three years. It’s a good contract for the Yankees, but not for a team that supposedly wants to get the payroll down to $40M.
Also, I think I read that Furcal doesn’t want to play 2B. Not sure about that.
Sorry, I should have kept reading. I just saw someone else made the same point. I’ll go back to just reading now.
Some rival agents…believe that Boras might be offering [Jason] Varitek in a “package deal” with the catcher’s friend and fellow Georgia Tech alum, free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira. The Red Sox are pursuing Teixeira, and the Nationals are among the other teams that might have interest in both players.
Step 1. Sox sign Tex & underpants
Step 3: Angel’s profit (aka Sabathia)
i dont get the package thing does that mean like whatever team signs one of them has to sign the other? cuz that doesnt make sense
Wouldn’t that be the same as collusion (just from the other side)?
And why would Boras do that? You’re driving down the value of the best asset you have in order to get an inferior player signed.
You have to treat these results kind of like spring training. Sure its encouraging but don’t be seduced by any of it.
I might be starting to like melky again. i keep reading good news bout him and i hope he could do the same in spring training so he could make the club even though im still rooting for gardner to get the CF Job
i always like melky everyone always says cf is defense first so whats the problem? he plays good defense and so we should just bat him 9th so he doesnt bat that much and we can be fine especially if we get tex
But he killed us this past season
We would have been fine with Melky if Jorge hadn’t been injured, Cano was up to par, and Jeter hadn’t struggled so much most of the season. All of them are far more important to the offense than Melky – or Gardner, or whoever is in CF. One automatic out in the lineup is ok (look at the entire NL), but 4 is too many.
We’re losing so the weakest links are always going to get some heat. If we were having a bit more success the last few seasons with Melky around maybe it would be a different scenario. But right now isnt the plan gardner vs. melky?
my point for u and mike pop is than if we get tex it shouldnt even matter how they hit cuz runs wont be the problem so we can just focus on defense and bat them 9th and still score 900 runs anyway
yeah i mean if we’re winning then sure. But if we’re not and Melky isnt playing all that great, whether to luck or whatever then he is probably gonna get sent down just like last season.
But the Sept. CF is a better all around player then Melky, why would one play Melky over him?
I did post yesterday (I think) about Melky; Saying (more or less); If Melky can put up his 2006 numbers he would be acceptable in CF. One must remember he is only 23. 27/09.
People i have a question. If cano is a right handed why cant he Just bat from the right side agaisnt lefties. Like is it hard to learn how to bat right handed when Your naturally right handed. same Goes for abreu i just seriously dont get it.
who are you?
“Is it true that if you don’t use it you lose it?”
“Is that a serious question?”
“No.”
Go into a batting cage and try and hit from your weak side and see how well that goes. Then imagine doing it against pitchers who throw upwards of 90mph with movement. It has a lot more to do with muscle memory and coordination you develop at a very young age, few people can just pick up a bat and rake from both sides of the plate. If everyone could do it…don’t you think everyone would? P.S. I hope you were joking.
wasnt mattingly right handed as well and i think dunn also. I think these guys are somewhat ambidextros and can use both hands to throw and or hit if needed, but found it more comfortably hitting from one side.
i am pretty sure i remember reading a story once about mattingly that he learned to hit left handed because when he played ball with his brothers a homerun to left was over a house (or something) and they made him hit lefty so that it would be more difficult to hit homer runs.
i could be totally wrong on the player, but somehow this story is stuck in my memory
yes, that was mattingly
Mattingly threw with his left hand.
i just meant the story about learning to hit over a tree or a house or whatever in his backyard was from Mattingly’s Yankeeography.
but i think it was about how he learned to hit to the opposite field, not about hitting left handed.
and watch a lefty swing vs. a righty..i know nothing about human biology or physics, but for some reason a lefty swing just looks more natural
I was reading the past issued of Sports Illustrated and I read something very interesting about Texiera. It said….
Out of High School in the 1998 draft Texiera was projected as a first round pick. But when the Red Sox asked him beforehand if he would accept $1.5 million signing bonus, Texiera thought he could do better. He tumbeled all the way to the ninth roun, where Boston finally grabbed him. “The Red Sox told everybody that I would’nt sign, and when it got to a late enough round they said “Lets take a flier on him,” Texiera told Baseball America in 2006. “So they spoiled me for everyone else.”
I know that Texiera is an ideal Boras client but I found that kind of interesting.
Only the bazillionth time I’ve seen that this off season.
Sorry to be an ass, but that’s pretty common knowledge. He has since made comments about “knowing the business of baseball better now” and understanding these things.
That won’t be a reason why he won’t sign with the Red Sox. Mike Lowell, hip surgery, 24 million dollars and Lars Anderson are why he wont sign with them.
Teixeira says he doesn’t hold a grudge against the Sox, especially since they have a different FO now than at the time. Too bad for us.
I have a question for you peeps. Lets say we land CC, we sign either Lowe/Sheets as our #2 starter. Now Andy Pettitte is still out there, but so is Peavy and there seems to be no market for him.
Sign Pettitte or give 2-3 good prospects (A-Jax/IPK/Bruney) for Peavy?
The easy answer is to sign Andy and hold on to the chips for future needs. But look at this rotation
CC Sabathia
Jake Peavy
Ben Sheets
Chien Mien Wang
Joba Chamberlain
With Hughes and Aceves if anyone gets hurt.
I’m sorry, but that rotation might be the best one I’ve ever seen. And its doable, both in terms of payroll and talent.
That is a dominant rotation.. 5 Aces or 4 aces and a very good number 2
It also puts them almost $20mill over the reported 2009 budget. I know there’s supposedly a bottomless pit of cash, but if they say they’re only gonna spend $180, then it has to be taken into consideration.
How do you figure ? CC -23 Sheets-15 Peavy-11
Thats only 48 million to the payroll when they had more than 60 mill coming off
Your number are a lil off
CC-24
Sheets-15
Peavy-8
Swisher-5 mil
Thats +52 mil.
We have 88 mil coming off the books (Giambi 22, Pettite 16, Abreu-16, I-Rod 12, Mussina 12, Pavano 10). Some guys get increases (Wang/Cano)
Figure we’re at 170ish with that rotation.
My bad I should of used Cots
I shoulda had a V8!
You forgot to add in the Arbitration guys $$$$. 27/09.
and it could become problematic to keep it together once peavy’s contract grows and Wang gets to FA not to mention Joba’s big arbitration years
and a need for offense
No I didn’t.
What about buy-outs? I think that counts too
Yeah I’m not sure where you get that.
I think this scenario assumes Peavy will accept the trade on the condition we just pick up his option, or perhaps a modest renegotiation of his contract.
His demands for accepting a trade to the Yankees are currently unknown.
i say u go for peavey but try not to include hughes but if u have to oh well
No you dont trade Hughes for Peavy
Towers has already said Hughes won’t be necessary.
where?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-l-10.html
Which he said because the market for his commodity was pretty much dead at that point. Do you think if the Yankees got desperate he really wouldn’t jack the price back up and include Phil? Don’t be naive.
I dont think the Yankees would trade Hughes for him to be honest
If they didn’t trade him for Johan (much better than Peavy) they wouldn’t for Peavy.
But also the contract situation but I do not think they would trade him just cause of that
Do you even read what you post? You just said the “market is dead” and then said “he would jack up the price”. How does that make any sense? If anything, he would be a motivated seller who would give him away for less than he had hoped.
Did you see where I said “desperate?” I feel that if the Yankees are going to make a move for Peavy, it’d only be because they missed on everyone else. In that case, all the leverage would be back in the seller’s hands.
No, you were responding to the “wont include Hughes” stuff. Then you said that when the Yanks jump in, he would jack up the price. And that it was “Naive” to think otherwise. Which still makes zero sense.
I usually let shit like this go, but you had to go around calling me and others “naive”. So in this case I didn’t.
if peavy ever gets traded to the yanks it wont be because the yankees got desperate for him. if they could put together a package and get him w/out huge’s i think they would have done it yesterday
Read this
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-l-10.html
annd to the best of my knowledge, peavy wont approve a trade to the yankees…a bit of an obstacle that may be holding up negotiations a bit
And it also reeks of what’s set the Yankees to go almost a decade with no World Series title: giving away 2 good prospects (one of whom is the only position player who’s even close to Major League ready) and a much-improved/needed bullpen piece for one veteran who a) has a history of injury problems b) some scouts assert is a ticking time bomb for another big injury because of his delivery c) pitches in an incredibly favorable atmosphere for pitchers, the exact opposite of to what he’d be coming d) costs a lot more than anyone else e) hinders the development of a pitcher (Hughes) who could possibly be the best pitching product of the Yankees’ farm system this side of Mariano Rivera f) has said he would prefer not to be traded to the AL/NY….
/Dr. Cox rant.
He did not rule out NY
CC Sabathia has said he would prefer to stay on the west coast and stay in the NL, do you think its a bad idea to go after him?
Nope and here’s why:
1. It doesn’t cost us IPK.
2. It doesn’t cost us A-Jax
3. It doesn’t cost us Brian Bruney.
4. It doesn’t cost anyone but money and a draft pick.
The question posed is Andy vs Peavy. Its January, and the Free agent options have all been exhausted.
CC has not said it publicly though
“CC Sabathia has said he would prefer to stay on the west coast and stay in the NL”
The key word in that sentence is PREFER.
TSJC explained it yesterday. You may PREFER one situation, but would do another if the offer is right. It’s up to the Yanks to make sure the offer is right.
And all that Peavy has ever said is he prefers to stay in the NL.
Peavy has a no trade clause and the Yanks are on his approved list.
His agent Barry Axelrod, has stated “Every boy grows up dreaming of playing in pinstripes”
This notion that he wants no part of the Yanks is simply not supported by the facts.
i dont think you are right on that. he has a full no trade and his agent has actually said he has not yet approved a deal to any team and he will decide if/when he is given the choice.
Also, the ‘ticking time bomb stuff’ is utter nonsense. You talk to 5 scouts and you will get 5 opinions on what a good delivery is/isn’t. Carlos Gomez of the Hardball Times LOVES Peavy’s delivery, says he has great tempo and good mechanics. Others
At age 27, he would be breaking down already if his mechanics were flawed, and he’s been one of the most durable starters in baseball over the past 4 years, averaging 200IP per season.
That’s fair enough but I still don’t like giving up cheap, young guys who are pretty damn central to the future of the organization for a guy who a) isn’t as good as a guy we could’ve gotten in a similar trade last year, b) isn’t as good as a guy we could get in this offseason for only money and no players…
Jake Peavy isn’t worth it when there are options out there on the FA market.
Again, the question posed is Andy vs Peavy. I’m assuming its January and the FA’s are all signed at this point.
Once CC goes, its assumed that many others will sign soon thereafter. So its a likely time line to follow.
I’ll take Pettitte for a year because it allows the team to slide Phil Hughes into the rotation more easily the next year. Trading for Peavy is a short sighed solution that has got the Yankees in trouble for the past eight years.
I would argue what got the Yanks in trouble was signing aging pitchers (Unit/Brown/Clemens part 2) and trying to out slug everyone else, which doesn’t get you anywhere in the post season.
Trading for a 27 year old ace who’s durable and has a career ERA+ of 121 is the type of move they made when they were winning championships. Reminds me of the Cone deal, who’s career ERA+ is 120.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/coneda01.shtml
that is a great comparison. in fact i would say that peavy is more advanced than cone was at that age, but thinking about him his stuff and body type are very remenisent of coneys
Peavy is less valuable to us in 2009 than Hughes/Ajax/Romine/Montero/IPK will be to us in 2010 and beyond
Yes, sir.
Really? So now all prospects turn into Cy Young award winners like Peavy?
No but you need the depth in the farm man.. Plus you have all the pitching FA options out there like CC/AJ/Sheets etc
Its going to take 4 to 5 of our prospects to get Peavy. Padres are rebuilding and have a shitty farm and need to rebuild it. We arent getting Peavy everyone drop it.
Right, because the Braves . . . no. . . well the Cubs . . . . . no . . . . . who exactly are we bidding against again?
You are wrong B George… Anything can happen.. They have to trade him now
Your telling me that the Padres will trade one of the best pitchers in baseball for a mediocre deal just to get rid of him???? Come on now.
Right, because the Braves . . . no. . . well the Cubs . . . . . no . . . . . who exactly are we bidding against again?
If a club says they are pulling out of it doesnt mean they are entirely out of it.
Yes, of course . . . its says right here in the tea leaves . . . . .
Do you know the Cubs are being sold?
Do you know their rotation is set, and they would have to trade Marquis to bring in Peavy? Jason Marquis who stinks, makes a lot (10 mil) and nobody wants?
Its not happening. They’ve only said so every time their name gets brought up.
Ok, you hit the jackpot. Good reasoning, and written. 27/09.
ajax and bruney will not get peavey keep dreaming
Gomez, Humber, and Mulvey got Johan.. Deolis too
No1 thought that kind of package would’ve gotten teh Johan
Thats because there were two better offers on the table and theytook the worse one for some reason and that GM is a moron because he traded Garza a future ace for delmon young
Heh it was a decent trade at the time.. Young’s tools are great.. Plus they have so many young arms.. Im sure he wanted to trade Perkins or Blackburn instead of him but he wanted Young and you have to give to get
There weren’t other offers on the table. They overplayed their hand, and all of the offers got withdrawn. At this point, it seems the same thing is happening to San Diego – especially if the Braves sign Burnett.
but the twins were asses for saying they were going to trade him and painted themselves into a corner…oh wait, what was that thing Towers said about a train and a station
dont be surpriseed if come february if he makes a trade that makes everyone in baseball collectively say – is he a moron?
I’d love to see stephen curry running the floor in mike d’antoni’s system.
Ya man Im with ya there
Blake Griffin would be even better.
My friend got his autograph at the NIT..I was jealous lol
maybe James Harden.
I’d like to see Jerome James and Eddie Curry trying to run the floor at the same time in D’Antoni’s system.
the more that i think about this offseason the more I have to hope that the yanks will not cut back on payroll as much as predicted, speding the majority of the 80 million coming off of it. That and cashman getting a little creative with the roster.
To compete with the Rays and Sox the yanks need to put together a starting staff containing four starters that can compete with or better theirs. First, the team needs an Ace for reasons discussed ad nauseum, hence CC and another guy for me Sheets more for cost than anythinig.
The offesnse cannot depend on Matsui (who missed the majority of the past 2 years) and Posada to replace Giambi and Abreu. We are underestimating Bobby and think his value to the team wont be felt until it is gone. The guy has been a given for 100 RBI. His consistancy is almost unmatched. He, ARod and Pujols are the only three guys to get 100 RBI in each of the next six straight seasons. Couple his loss with Giambi’s offensive production in an already slipping offense and where does that place us next season?
IMO the money that would go to Pettite would best be spent on an offensive player. Wish they could add two, but I don’t see where they would fit in unless the team would be willing to make Swisher a very expensive Utility player and employ some type of 1B/OF/DH rotation. Dunn would work well in that scenario.
In another scenario
The team could still let petitte go, but also move Nady and sign Manny. That would increase payroll, but I still think manny can adequetly play RF for at least 2 more seasons and his addition would instantly make this offense one of the best in baseball. Would also go along way toward eliminating the teams problems vs. lefties.
I think your giving the Rays and Sox more credit than they deserve and the yanks less. I mean the yanks did win 89 games despite a average offense and average staff. The Sox are not that much better and can I see the Rays do it again.
Hey do the yanks need to add a piece or two sure, but it’s doesn’t need an absolute reconstruction.
Every off season the Yanks talk about cutting back payroll.
Every off season some fans and some media types buy into it.
Every opening day they have a 200 mil payroll.
HEh
Mike, do you see Albaladejo playing a role in our bullpen? He is owning fallball. His injury hurt us big time IMO (then bruney went down and made things even worse).
Well the yanks BP was one the best in the AL/MLB, the BP wasn’t really a problem even though you can always use as much arms as possible.
Bullpens are so inconsistent though its ridiculous
that’s understanable, but right now the least of the yanks worries are the BP. Nevertheless, you can neva have enough arms in the pen.
Agreed
Put your bias away for this one.
True or false, Letting V-tek walk will hurt the sox more than they think.
True, cuz his grittiness, toughness, man of steal, neva give up mentality, hard as nails, grinder, always gettin dirty, loves tha game, and etc. He’s the most valuable .200 hitter in baseball even more valuable than Mo.
Ivan you forgot the “For RSPN Im Peter Gammons”
lol.
V-tek makes no-hitters happen so that’s definitely true.
I don’t think it will hurt them in the long run. The team lost Manny, now V-tek, hurt somewhat, but is a blessing because they have ST to work it out.
Let’s face it guys; the Rays, Rsox, Blue Jays and O’s are going to be tougher in 2009. We desperately need top pitching, defence and hitting to move out of the also rans. 27/09.
Uh-oh… Could be bad news on MLBTR regarding CC
link?
If he wants 110 mil over 6 yrs instead of 6/140 then more power to him. Hello burnett
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Thats what its linked to
The Yanks will go to 6-165 tomorrow if they have to. He’s 28 years old.
That’s alot of doe right there. I might rather sign Tex to that deal.
Ya but honestly w.e contract we give CC he wont be worth it.. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt show him the money
Yea, but man that’s alot of cash. Tex, is the safer bet and is arguabably just as valuable no?
He is the safer bet but I think CC is more valuable to us. I would love to get them both which we should do.
Fuck it give 150 to CC and 160 to Tex
I’ll do that.
Ya but will the Yankees
“Tex, is the safer bet and is arguabably just as valuable no?”
Not according to this:
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....e-no-good/
Iight, no biggie.
the yanks need cc since he is the best arm available so they should get him for sure
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Just having fun with you man.. Don’t take any offense to it
Look on the bright side, if they do miss out on CC, at least they will go after ya boy Burnett.
We would need 2 of 3 from AJ, Sheets, and Lowe plus Tex..
How about Tex and Sheets and resign Pettitte.
Ya man that sounds good
Ivan, I guess you want Wang-Sheets-Pettitte-Joba with Hughes in the rotation? That didn’t go so well last year.
Also, since Sheets usually misses time, who fills in? Aceves? The pitching gets real thin in a hurry. I think we need 3 pitchers, Andy could be 1 of them.
Not really, Tex+, AJ/Sheets/Lowe (just one of the 3) will do the trick.
We had 89 wins last year with a patchwork pitching staff and two of our better hitters out…add Tex and one of the three pitchers gives us a good base to go for the WS. CMW, Joba, Andy, FA, and Phil is going to do well and win us a few games. 27/09.
Agreed Old Ranger
I bring back Pettite in all plans
so do i people keep overlooking him and underrating him but they neeed him more than peeps realize
He gives you innings, no doubt. But his ERA for the 2nd half of last season was 6+, and he wants 16 mil again this year.
I love Andy and hope he comes back, but anything over 12 and I look elsewhere.
ya they really need peavey and cc and maybe burnett then if you get those guys get tex or manny and then we have no holes in the lineup and we can focus on a championship and then next offseason
The word was; Andy was hurting somewhat, that’s why his numbers were so bad. If true, I would think 2009 would be a good time to have him pitch for us. What say you? 27/09.
Yeah, they think if he gets in better shape he’ll be fine for next year.
But he will also be 37 next year, and he’s never had the biggest margin for error. When he goes, its going to be fast and its going to get ugly. Its reasonable to assume we saw the beginning of the end for him last year. Its risky at his age.
We also wanted to deal Moose to Philly for a bag of balls at the end of 2007
I wanted to shoot Moose and tie him to the front of my pickup truck at the end of 2007.
You may be right, I have seen it before. Once the pitches start sliding, all hell breakes lose. 27/09.
u guys think if the brewers make that deal he will go to them?
Only if they put a McDonalds in the bullpen.
I hear he loves that new Chipotle burger they got.
No. If I was CC, I’d rather have the 5 year $100 million than 6 years $110 million. Essentially, you can look at the deal as 5 years for $100 million with a 6th year at $10 million. I think in 5 years CC can get a deal worth more than $10 million.
but if he really liked it there maybe he takes less money just like everyone said he would for la
That could be true, but what I was trying to say was that I personally see the 5 year at $20 million per a more attractive offer than 6 years at $18+ per.
Hence, I would feel if he wanted to stay in Wisconsin he would have taken the first offer.
Additionally, if CC only takes the five year offer instead of the 6 year deal, when that deal is done, he may be able to get another long term deal easier.
Ya he could be looking at another 4 or 5 year deal there.. Probably another 85 90 million
Ya he liked it in Cleveland and wanted to stay there too
No. Money talks and bullshit walks I want see him walk away from 30 million. This is going to be a long week patience my friends this is only the first inning.
u guys think phil is ready to be in the rotation going every 5th day? cuz i kinda think its about time for him to put up or shut up in the majors
If he stays healthy you really don’t get a better 5th starter then him
so then yoyu think hes capable of pitching every 5 days the whole year?
Yea I think so.. I would not just give him the 5 spot.. Id let him and Aceves battle it out.. IPK too
He is ready now, much more so then last year. Will he have bad games, you bet-cha! Will he have very good games, you bet-cha! Think about it; Joba and Phil will have their ups and downs throughout the year…they are both very young and still on the learning curve. Will they be impact pitchers for the team this year? Damn, I really hope so. 27/09.
I rather him start the year in AAA and come up when someone goes down in the rotation (and you someone will). However, I have no problems with him being the 5th starter that’s the way they should of brought him along in the first place.
( and you know some will)
Yeah, me too. Looks like the Yanks agree, assuming their off season plans go anything near according to plans.
I have no problems with him being the 5th starter that’s the way they should of brought him along in the first place.
Agree with that, the team exacerbated the problem with both IPK and Phil starting…the pressure was on for them to preform at a higher rate then they were ready for. In 07, when they did well, they were just call-ups filling in (more or less) no pressure at all.
I am not sure of your thoughts but, I believe IPK can be a serviceable # 4-5 starter and Phil a #2 or 3 starter with the team for years to come.
I am going to watch them with a very discerning eye in ST this year. Them, along with Cervelli, Melky, Cano, Coke, Albaladejo, our CF and Swish.
The one guy you and others will enjoy watching (if you haven’t) is Melancon, he is the next big star. 27/09.
First OPEN THREAD post I think for me. Although some will say all my posts seem openthreadish.
Alex the Purple Lipped Princess is a joke and shows how much of a joke all this WBC Classic thing is. Switching teams? Dude you were born in America. Get over yourself. What a sissy head case this guy is.
Damn man I really wished the Yanks actually stood tuff last years and let him go sign with the Angels or whoever. How bout we trade Alex to the Dominican team and we get back Manny? Can we do that somehow?
We get back Manny ? This team would of won 70 games without Alex on it..
Take that to lohud
So Alex’s replacement value or whatever the stat heads call it is like 19 games? Wow that is impressive. Well then I change my whole mind, let us get more Alex types.
Do you just post dumb things now to try to be funny or make people annoyed with you ?
You mean dumb like this?
“This team would of won 70 games without Alex on it..”
How is that dumb ?
Your the guy saying we got to get Manny back.. We never had Manny
W,e about your trade if I misunderstood it.. You still say some dumb shit
Yes, he’s worth 19 games. To whoever were playing in the playoffs.
His WARP (wins above replacement player) was 8.9 good for 6th in the AL, while missing 17 games. Over a full season it would be about 10 wins better than any everyday player in the AL. So he is very valuable.
*Over a full season it would be about 10 wins, better than any everyday player in the AL
We saw what we were without him for 25 games.. That is not a team i want to see again
NO WE WON 27 WROLD SERIESS WITHUTO HIM AND ZERO WITH AFRAUD1?1!!! HE IS SUX0R!11!!ELEVENTY1!!(!)
ZOMG !?!?!?!?! YOUR RIGHT !?!?!?
SUPERSTARS DONT WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS, ITS ALL ABOUT THE TEAM..
How bout we just got a superstart that can hit good to great pitchers when we need it the most. Say a guy who is a free agent like Manny?
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDS!
He atttacked me so can I call him a tool ?
I would have liked to have seen a team without him and that 25 to 30milli he pulls in a year put to use for say some pitching and a few other players.
Oh yeah I forgot he is the only player in the world that can put up any numbers and he plays for free for us.
“I would have liked to have seen a team without him and that 25 to 30milli he pulls in a year put to use for say some pitching and a few other players.”
How could you of spent that money better? What were you going to get Silva, Lohse, and pedro feliz? Ya thats a better way to spend the 27.5 mill
I think pretty much everybody on earth agrees from a baseball standpoint wrapping up 300 million in Alex for ten years was a bad baseball move. Now if it is a good business move for the Yankees, that could be argued by people who know more about their business than I do, but from a baseball standpoint it was bad BI homebwoy.
I will remember that the next time he hits into two double plays and fails to swing at a ball down the middle of the plate to end a close game as he seems to every time we need that win.
I could root for this guy a lot easier if he just shut up and stopped being such a fairy.
He had less GiDP than Cano and Captain Clutch Jeter. Additionally, Matsui and Posada (and Betemit) were on pace to have far more GiDP.
Though he did lead the team in strikeouts.
While he was less successful in high leverage and clutch situation compared to low and unclutch situations, he was still well above the major league average in those situation. Also clutchiness and leverage stats vary year to year, because of the sample size and luck. Hence why Alex was great last year and “horrible” this year.
I think the whole A-Rod is unclutch thing is overrated but it’s worth noting that he was 88th in WPA this year–still ahead of Jeter, though.
Also, go look at the career leaders in GIDP. The first five guys are all HOFers.
“Also, go look at the career leaders in GIDP. The first five guys are all HOFers.”
This is why net stats heads bother me. I have seen this brought up tons of times now. So it is great to hit into double plays?
I’m not saying it’s great. I’d rather have a K than a GIDP but I’m just saying it. Over the course of one’s career, it doesn’t seem to affect production that greatly.
I think the way you are looking at the data is making you draw the wrong conclusions.
Just because some HOFers hit into a lot of double plays does that not effect their production. Obviously it has to. I also know a lot of line drive hitters who hit the ball very hard can hit into a few double plays a year that maybe a guy who slaps at the ball would not. But one of the reasons I think it is more important to watch the games and the players instead of blindly believing in stats is because each at bat, play etc is unique in some way and means different things in different times and places in the game.
I know that stats are meant to break down things into nice easy categories, but I do not believe our game is just about neat and easy categories.
And for the record I would much prefer at hit to a K or a GIDP lol.
“I will remember that the next time he hits into two double plays…”
Just like Captain Clutch Derek Jeter who was among the league leaders in GIDP.
Woops, forgot the reply button.
Jeter’s GIDP this year was alarming that is for sure. But when Jeter opens his mouth I usually hear things like what he said at the end of the last game at the Stadium. Hence me talking about how much I like or dislike Alex.
Anybody that takes anything I say on here fully serious might need to step away from the computer and hang out with a humaniod woman once in a while.
Your the one talking bout hanging with a woman when you have Jeter’s cock down your throat
A lot of class you have sir.
Sorry I like baseball and enjoy it and have players I like and do not like. I was not implying you were gay, I was implying you might spend too much time in the cyberworld.
But with thoughts like that maybe it is both.
Well saying the team is better off without A-Rod is idiotic
Where did I say that you utter maroon?
I SAID I DO NOT LIKE HIM!
ME!
THE NERVE OF ME. Having an opinion to either like or not like a person or ballplayer (sometimes the same thing)
I also said that the money he makes could be spent better to help this team. Please stop drinking the cough syrup and switch to drano.
Bro you were implying it. Saying shit like I wish we let him go and we should of used that money elsewhere.. W.e Im done arguing with you cause your just being ridiculous
I stand by what I said though.. you say some dumb shit
I would hope everyone knows you’re being sarcastic.
Oklahoma is just owning this game
So do you guys think this is going to be a crazy winter meetings where everyone signs or do you think it is going to drag out even longer?
Looks like the dominoes are in place. When they fall is anybody’s guess but when the first one signs I think the rest fall in place pretty quickly.
I would not be surprised to see mayweather come out of retirement to fight Pacquiao.