Open Thread: Ex-Yanks on the move

More hearings, fewer parks as stadium issue lurches on
2000, as seen from 1981

The Hot Stove picked up a little steam this evening, as ex-Yank Javy Vazquez was dealt back to the NL East in a five player deal with the Atlanta Braves. The deal is pending a physical tomorrow, but otherwise it represents the first of many moves we’ll see over the next 10 days.

Yankees’ fans have a strong and somewhat irrational dislike for Vazquez, but the bottom line is that he’s been one of the better pitchers in baseball this century. He’s supremely durable, throwing the second most innings in the game since 2000 (at least 198 IP for nine straight years), and a strikeout machine, trailing only Randy Johnson in K’s during that time. His ERA is 4.11 since 2000, just 0.05 runs higher than Andy Pettitte‘s (that’s one extra run every 180 IP). Given the Braves’ current rotation situation (Jair Jurrjens and pray for rain), the move is exactly what the team needs.

The ChiSox are reportedly getting three players in return, but LHP Jo-Jo Reyes and IF Brent Lillibridge are fringy guys who shouldn’t play a key role on a contending team. The third prospect, Tyler Flowers, is what makes deal worth it for Kenny Williams’ & Co. One of the best unknown prospects out there, Flowers projects to be an offensive catcher who holds his own behind the plate. He’s hit .291-.400-.488 in his three pro seasons, and he just finished annihilating the AzFL with a 232 OPS+. He instantly becomes the best White Sox prospect not named Beckham, and should render AJ Pierzynski moot no later than 2010. The Braves are also getting garden variety LOOGY Boone Logan.

Boy, Kenny Williams’ trades always seem to come out of nowhere, huh?

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Not to be overshadowed by Javy, ex-Yanks’ draftee Matt Carson agreed to a minor league deal with the A’s and also gets an invite to Major League Spring Training. Good for him. Here’s your open thread of for the evening, talk about the trade or anything else here. Just pay play nice.

More hearings, fewer parks as stadium issue lurches on
2000, as seen from 1981
  • Rafi

    You have to figure that this puts them out of the market for Peavy, no? What do you think about this trade? I can’t believe that the Braves gave up so much.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      It doesn’t take them out of the running for Peavy, but it’ll be tougher without Flowers. I like the move for the Braves, they desperately needed a quality innings eater like Javy. Flowers wasn’t going to unseat McCann.

      • Steve

        Right, but since some of the other Peavy pieces went in this deal, now in order to make the Peavy deal they would need to include Hanson, which they said all along they wouldn’t. Also, from the Braves POV their need for a pitcher just lessened dramatically.

        I have to think it is much, much less likely now.

        • Mike Pop

          I dont think they would NEED to include Hanson.. Yunel Schafer and Morton is a great start to it.. I think they still end up signign one of Burnett, Garland, or Perez

          • Steve

            I’m thinking Towers wanted 2 top prospects, so if only one was available then the other pieces were there to compensate. If those secondary pieces are gone . . . back to square 1.

            • Mike Pop

              Is Schafer not a top prospect ? Wouldnt him and Escobar be a great start ? Schafer projects to be pretty good right ?

        • A.D.

          Or they sell out, and get Peavy & Vasquez… sure they mortgage the farm, but Chipper isn’t getting any younger.

          Man the Braves rotation would look nice now if Hudson & Smoltz hadn’t both gone down

  • Bill

    Did the Yankees inquire about re-aquiring him?
    I wonder what he would have costed?

    Anyway this definitely improves our changes of getting Peavy.
    The bottom like is that I would rather pay prospects AND pay Peavy 15 million a year that pay Burnett, Lowe, or Sheets 15 million a year while keeping the prospects, or Pay some like Oliver Perez 10 million a year.

    If SD is willing to accept Jackson, Kennedy, Suttle, and Veras the Yankees better not be gun-shy, asumming that Peavy is willing to waive his no-trade clasue if we pick up his 25 million option.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      The bottom like is that I would rather pay prospects AND pay Peavy 15 million a year that pay Burnett, Lowe, or Sheets 15 million a year while keeping the prospects…

      Wait, what?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Yeah, that doesn’t make any sense. Peavy is good, but he’s not that much better than Burnett, Lowe, or Sheets to justify giving away several quality, cost-controlled youngsters. That’s the exact opposite of smart team-building strategy.

      • Steve

        That’s just the kind of guy he is. When he goes to Burger King, and they tell him at the drive thru his order will be $7, he hands them a twenty and drives away.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Bill = Vincent Antonelli a/k/a Tod Wilkinson

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I don’t think the Yanks or Javy want that reunion. I don’t believe the Yanks should have traded him when they did, but a second marriage wouldn’t do anyone any good.

  • Pedro(from Brazil)

    First time here (always reading never writing)….
    I think improve ours chance with Peavy too. I like the package you put Bill but i would try to change Veras for another guy ( i like his stuff and i think he can be better next year).

    Ps: Sorry about the english but it’s been a loooooooooong timlast time i wrote in english !!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Alo, como vai?

      (Don’t get excited, I just looked that up.)

      • Steve

        empurrão

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Can’t help it, the Congressman is excited!

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    One of the best unknown prospects out there, Flowers…

    Really? I couldn’t hear or read enough about this dude when the AzFL was about three weeks old. Hell, I’ve read – on more than one occasion – posts that call him the best prospect – behind the plate- not named Matt Wieters.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Well then, perhaps I … uh … misunderestimated Flowers’ sleeperness.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Then again, maybe I just misread the temperature of the prospect community. Come to think of it, the posters over at Project Prospect seem to get a serious man-love for any prospect that has a hot month.

        Speaking of which, how would you rank the catching prospects in the non-Wieters division?

        I’ll say:

        1. Carlos Santana
        2. Buster Posey
        3. Max Ramirez
        4. Taylor Teagarden
        5. Jesus Montero

        My guy-to-watch is the Phillies’ Lou Marson. Although his power has not arrived yet, playing in that ballpark, it may not be as huge an issue as some might think.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          1. Posey
          2. Teagarden
          3. Montero
          4. Ramirez
          5. Santana

          I’m not falling for the Cal League trap again, I want to see Santana do it over a full season somewhere else first.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            Can you really call it a “trap”? It’s not like Brandon Wood hasn’t produce power like that at other levels (unless you’re referring to other examples).

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              There’s plenty of examples. Reid Brignac, Bubba Bell, Josh Barfield … the list goes on and on.

        • Ivan

          Posey
          Santana
          Ramirez
          Teagarden
          Montero

          You could flipflop the 2 through 4 really.

          • Mike Pop

            Idk too much about all these guys but isnt Santana too young to rank him that high right now ?

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    I think Donnie Walsh should consider hiring Plaxico Burress to shoot Stephon Marbury.

    • Jack

      Sure, as soon as he figures out how to get the damned thing out of his pocket.

    • Mike Pop

      What do you think of Roberson

      • Ivan

        Talking about that light skin dude Robertson?

        If so, yeah he has been impressive. He can sure flat out shoot the ball. Type of player D’Antoni likes.

        • Mike Pop

          Ya man.. I like his style of play.. Much more than I like Danillo

          Danilllo= B-U-S-T

          • Mike Pop

            Its a joke.. but thats as of now

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Roberson’s not bad at all, solid backup guard. Good signing.

            • Mike Pop

              Not as good as Devin Harris but he is decent

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                Okay, yes. Not that we could have possibly gotten Devin Harris or been able to afford to pay Devin Harris, but yeah, I guess Devin Harris is better than Anthony Roberson.

                In a related story, Kobe Bryant is better than Rick Brunson.

                • Mike Pop

                  BREAKING NEWS: Dwight Howard is good

    • Nady Nation

      From your lips to god’s ears my friend.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Seeing as how Flowers’ inclusion is still not known for a fact, where else could he play on the diamond?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I’ve got no idea. I guess first, perhaps left.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Can Casey Kotchman adequately handle a corner-outfield spot?

  • Mike Pop

    Man Steve Smith robbed at gunpoint… Plax is saying “shoulda carried tha gun son”

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Heh, that was the most idiotic/infuriating thing of the whole Plax shooting thing. Can’t remember where I heard this, but apparently Plax is claiming that he packed the gat that night because Steve Smith had gotten robbed and he was afraid that somebody at the LQ would try and rob him for all his icy chains.

      Like, DUMBASS, perhaps if you’re afraid somebody at the club would rob you of your icy bling, you DON’T GO TO THE NIGHTCLUB WITH ALL YOUR ICY BLING. Is that not a fucking thought in your idiotic brain? Did they pass a law I didn’t know about saying that all rich athletes must buy assloads of diamonds and bring them to a dangerous nightclub full of drunken/high potential thieves?

      First of all, you don’t NEED any of that jewelry. But, if you MUST buy it, you certainly don’t NEED to take it everywhere, certainly not a place you’re afraid of getting robbed. You don’t see me buying t-bone steaks and going into the lion’s cage at the zoo, do you?

      What a moron.

      • Mike Pop

        Ya well noone knew it was him that night… He was playing his usual role on friday nights as “Walt Harris”.. NYPD, former corrections officer at the Green Haven Correctionals Facility but got moved up due to outstanding achievements

      • Mike Pop

        Then again.. He had to look “so fresh and so clean clean”

  • Steve

    Congrats to the Mexican Gangsta, turns out he’s just a big teddy bear after all.

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/12/02/good-times-for-alfredo-aceves/

    • Baseballnation

      Nice piece of hinnie right there whether he makes as a big league ball player or not. Think she can set up for Mo?…Cause she has some heat.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Johnny Damon’s wife.
        http://www.survivinggrady.com/damon4.jpg

        Step your game up, Al. You’re at the big leagues now.

        • Steve

          That’s Johnny’s 2nd wife. He has time.

          • Mike Pop

            She is fine

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    I really hope the Braves manage to get Peavy & resign Smoltz too. Then their rotation will be Jake, John, Jair, Javy, and Jo-Jo.

    • Mike Pop

      Will Smoltz be ready to open the season ?

      • Baseballnation

        No…I heard mid season

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      I heard they just signed this kid from the Mexican League named Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo.

      He’s supposed to be pretty god.

      • Thomas

        That’s the worst name I ever heard.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          You jerk, beat me too it.

      • Steve

        That cracked me up! But I have a silly sense of humor.

    • Steve

      I hope the Yanks sign CC and AJ, and then maybe swing a trade for JP Howell, JC Romero and BJ Ryan.

    • Brooklyn Ed

      you forgot about Tim Hudson. lol

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Do you think the Sox are setting themselves up for a maverick run at Peavy? Poreda + Flowers + Marquez + IPK and Melky a B/C level guy could do it, right?

    • Mike Pop

      Would he even approve it ?

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      According to multiple reports (and by that I mean various posts by MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes), the ChiSox are trying to cut payroll; therefore, I don’t see how they can justify shopping the present in Jermaine Dye and Javier Vazquez, then go and sell the future in a package for Jake “Peavey” (who will certainly require that $22M, club option being picked up as compensation for waiving his NTC).

      • Steve

        They’re sort of rebuilding. Williams feels like they overachieved last year, and wants to retool with an eye to the future. Like everyone else, after the Ray’s success last year he wants to get “younger” and “more athletic”. THe steroid era is over, and lots of teams have to go back to building teams they way they did in the 70’s and 80’s.

  • Conan the Barack O’Brian

    Are we interested in Delmon Young? And what would it take?

    • Mike Pop

      A MLB ready 3rd baseman or SS with good potential.. Which we have none of.

      • Conan the Barack O’Brian

        Oh yeah, that came out yesterday about a left side infielder. I’m a dolt.
        Speaking of left side infielders (and dolts?), ya see that pic of A-Rod on lohud…daaaaang, that’s hideous.

        • Mike Pop

          “Mr. Suave”

          • Conan the Barack O’Brian

            Mr. Material Man

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Yeah, Madonna gave him a very subtle man-leash.

      • Steve

        I read Smith was looking for relievers, which we have tons of.

        But I don’t think Young’s a fit here, anyway.

  • Mike Pop

    Last 3 word sentence of the post.. Cmon Mike

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      What? We have a new policy, play by the comment.

      • Mike Pop

        You take credit or debit ?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Straight cash homie.

          • Nady Nation

            Speaking of which, you guys ever been to the site straightcashhomey.net? It’s a site dedicated to crazy jerseys of insanely random players from all sports. Quite entertaining, especially at work.

    • Conan the Barack O’Brian

      I thought he was asking us to pay up….hey, if we all just chip in a little more in these tough times, maybe we can get all the free agents!

  • Manimal

    Kenny Williams has a plan, I’m just waiting to see what blockbuster hes going to pull out of his ass now.

    • Mike Pop

      Plan–Cut Payroll and get the Farm back

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    “House” time, bitches (oh, and go Blazers!).

    • Conan the Barack O’Brian

      P-town is very happy these days…you a fan, Jamal?

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Yup, the very rare out-of-market, cross-country Blazers’ fan.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Olivia Wilde FTW, but that Cameron chick is hotter.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Hell yes, that episode that focused on her and her cavalier, sexual ways was one of the best one-hour periods in the history of non-cable television.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Did you know that she and the dude that plays Chase got married after meeting on the show?

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            Really? Nice. Another cool one is the show “Dexter”, the star Michael C. Hall is dating his character’s sister, Jennifer Carpenter (“Quarantine” star).

          • A.D.

            Cameron and Chase are married… not Chase and Olivia Wilde

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Yeah, that’s who I meant.

              • A.D.

                Figured, just wanted to make it clear…but per Jamal it is no more

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            Actually, it turns out that the engagement got called off in August of 2007. Heh, it must be real, fucking awkward playing your ex-fiance’s significant other on a show.

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

              Yeah, “Chase” is currently banging this hottie: http://tinyurl.com/5ajgun

        • A.D.

          Yes it was

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Oh, to be honest, I think Lisa Edelstein (“Cuddy”) is the hottest chic on the show. Although she was born in Boston, her 42-year-old ass can’t be topped.

    • Scott of 3 Kids Tickets

      3 letters for you….

      D V R …..

      -Scott ;>

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    “You’re going down Manning.”

    “Yes I am. Fourth floor, getting a massage.”

    Heh, how can you not love Peyton’s commercials?

    D-CAF!!! clap clap D-CAF!! clap clap

    • Mike Pop

      O yea… that dude can act for shore…His SNL was awesome

      • Thomas
        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          “I’ll kill a snitch, okay? I’m not saying I have, I’m not saying I haven’t…”

          • Mike Pop

            “Cops Cops every man for themselves”

            “Why is the door open, close the door!!!”

            • Thomas

              Pull your head out of your ass.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      CUT THAT MEAT!!! CUT THAT MEAT!!!

      I can’t lie, the dude is a good, funny pitchman.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G0loI0Jn5M

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones
      • Mike Pop

        Its alright Bobby, you still got the best arm in the neighborhood !

  • daniel

    paying burnett or lowe a ludicrous contract would be terrible, not because of the money but because of the commitment for so many years. though the large contract is clearly not great, the biggest downside is the virtual guarantee that probably neither of them would be effective for more than half of the length of their contract (basically 3 years for burnett, probably 2 for lowe). Because sheets is not a long-term deal, its not a bad idea, and i would welcome him as a piece.
    this definitely makes getting peavy easier. i dont want to give up AJax, but if thats what it takes, a proven starter is worth much more than a decent outfield prospect. My practical wishlist is CC, sheets, peavy in a deal where we either keep a couple meaningful prospects, and adam dunn,no one to more than a 4 yr deal other than CC.

    • Mike Pop

      All 3 is too much.. No need for Sheets if we get Jake and vice versa.. You bring back Andy and sign CC.. Thats what we have to do to start.. Then you got Wang and Joba also.. Thats 4.. Sheets or Peavy would be nice but not a necessity.. Id rather go Sheets.. We cant deplete the farm more since its just starting to take shape again

    • Steve

      I was right there with you, up until Adam Dunn.

      CC-Sheets-Peavy-Wang-Joba sounds amazing to me. That’s the best rotation we’ve had since 2003, and might be better than any of the 90’s championship teams. I think we have enough depth to handle things if Sheets goes on the DL, assuming it isn’t TJ or something. Sheets is a better pitcher than AJ, and he’ll sign for less years.

  • A.D.

    Either Kenny Williams pulls off something big, or they keep on selling, but it seems like they would want to keep Flowers, and otherwise Jo-Jo Reyes & Marquez don’t seem like major pieces to any deal.

    Does this signal the Buehrle, Dye, and possibly Contreras are on the move?

    • Brooklyn Ed

      Jose is out till mid-season.

    • Steve

      Dye has been rumored all over the place. I’d love Buehrle, he’s better than most people realize and would be great in Yankee Stadium.

      • A.D.

        Dye for Homer Bailey + 1 would be an interesting trade for the Sox, see if they can work whatever magic they had with Gavin Floyd with Bailey

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones
  • A.D.

    Does Beckham move Alexi Ramirez off SS or vice versa

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Alexei’s moving to short next season to take over for O-Cab.

      • A.D.

        Yup, my though it with Beckham in the system.. and presumably a few years away does Ramirez move again when Beckham is ready, or does Beckham move to the OF or 3b

    • Thomas

      I believe Beckham is playing second in the minors.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    I just laughed out loud; being swarmed by a bunch of morbidly, obese folk must not be fun.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.
      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        That show is endlessly funny.

        Oh, and I have to do what House just did: grab a chic’s boob in a serious moment.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          What did the five fingers say to the face?

          • Mike Pop

            S-L-A-P

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            “We’ve been here before.”?

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

              Correction:

              1. “We.”
              2. “Have.”
              3. “Been.”
              4. “Here.”
              5. “Before.”

              I’m sure that’s not it, but I think that’s funny.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    For anyone watching “House”, is it me, or is Kiefer Sutherland doing the voice-overs for those Bank of America commercials?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yeah, I think so. He did one of the main characters in COD WaW too. He had to pay the bills somehow while 24 was on hiatus.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Is there a better game-character voice than David Hayter’s “Solid Snake”?

        Fun fact: Hayter is actually one-half of the writing duo (Alex Tse) that penned the “Watchmen” screenplay.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Not watching House, but, yeah, that’s Keifer, I’ve heard that one before. He’s pimping himself out for tons of voiceover work.

      Him and Clooney.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        He has starred in Japanese commercials for Calorie Mate, performing a parody of his Jack Bauer character. Sutherland also provides voiceovers for the current ad campaign for the Ford Motor Company of Canada. These advertisements are thematically of the comedy genre. In mid-2006, he voiced the Apple Computer advertisement announcing the inclusion of Intel chips in their Macintosh computer line.[5] He also voices the introduction to NHL games on the Versus network in the U.S. Recently, he has starred in Argentine TV commercials for Citroën C4 sedan. He has recently done voice over for a commercial for Bank of America’s “Keep the Change” program. He voiced a major character in Treyarch’s Call of Duty: World at War.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiefer_Sutherland

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Kiefer William Frederick Dempsey George Rufus Sutherland?

          Damn.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Donald Sutherland = high as shit

    • Eric

      Speaking of Kiefer, “Stand By Me” has been on AMC a lot lately. LOVE IT.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones
    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      How dare Ron Villone disgrace Shane Spencer’s number like that.

      • Eric

        Shane Spencer:

        great Yankee or the greatest Yankees?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Steven Colbert, is that you?

  • A.D.

    Looks like Jo-Jo Reyes isn’t in the deal, but the Sox will get 4 players

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081202&content_id=3699498&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp&partnerId=rss_mlb

    • Steve

      MLBTR

      “7:42pm: O’Brien believes Chicago’s return to be Flowers, Lillibridge, third baseman Jon Gilmore, and pitcher Santos Rodriguez.”

      • A.D.

        Dunno how those 2 project, but a couple of rookie ballers instead of reyes isn’t bad

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones
    • Steve H

      And I didn’t think I could love Natty any more than I do now!

    • Steve H

      And let me get this out of the way. TSJCa/k/aMSINSJ, are you old enough to be posting videos about alcoholic beverages?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        I’ve been lying to you all. I’m a prepubescent 11 year old nerd-dork who lives in my mother’s basement making sweet, sweet love to Excel spreadsheets and pie charts all day. And I hate baseball, and Don Mattingly, and America.

        • Mike Pop

          You Scorpion Woman

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Mmm, this burrito is delicious, but it is filling…

            • Mike Pop

              Oh wow, I really am truly not prepared for this..(pulls flute out of his sleeve)

            • Steve H

              Your burrito is finally out of the microwave??

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                Nicely done, my friend.

                But no, sadly, it’s not. And it fucking drives me CRAZY!!!!!!

        • A.D.

          Impressive most 11 year olds don’t know how to use excel

        • steve (different one)

          call me.

    • Thomas

      Take off that vest. You look like Aladdin.

  • Steve

    So how long until the Braves trade Vasquez? That’s 5 teams in the past 6 years.

    I give it 2 years, tops.

    • Mike Pop

      Na he will stay.. He’s gonna be good in the NL.. If they sign another SP and he’s productive they should be right back in the thick of things.. Maybe their offense isnt good enough as of right now.. They could go after Dunn or Burrell

      • Steve

        Teams do seem to tire of him quickly. But maybe you’re right, he’ll last down there because nobody in Atlanta gives a shit about Baseball.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          We have a baseball team? And a basketball team? Since when?

          Sincerely,
          The residents of Atlanta

  • Steve H

    “I am really happy to be back in Calgary, I love Canada,” he said. “I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the NHL for guys to fall in love with my sloppy seconds. I don’t know what that’s about. Enjoy the game tonight.”

    Shouldn’t the NHL embrace Mike Avery for bringing attention to the league. That’s great stuff, and he gets an indefinite suspension for it. Yet here I am, bringing up the NHL>

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      It’s Sean Avery. And he was talking about ex-girlfriend Elisha Cuthbert, who’s dating Flames’ defenseman Dion Phaneuf. The NHL suspended him indefinitely for that.

      All the talk this summer as about how much the Rangers would miss him, but they’re doing just fine without him.

      • Steve H

        Oops. Shows you how much I care about the NHL. I knew it was Sean, I know a Mike Avery, mixed them up.

        • Steve

          Whatever you say, Frank.

          • steve (different one)

            i enjoyed this post.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Wow, that is so horribly fucked up, it’s funny.

      • Steve

        “Avery’s ex-girlfriend, actress Elisha Cuthbert, is dating Calgary
        defenseman Dion Phaneuf and had been romantically linked to Mike
        Komisarek of the Montreal Canadiens. Avery also dated model and
        actress Rachel Hunter, the girlfriend of Los Angeles Kings center
        Jarrett Stoll. ”

        http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/browse_thread/thread/ec16d4bcaaba3151

        • Steve

          Is there anyone famous that Rachel Hunter hasn’t nailed?

          • Mike Pop

            Stephen colbert ?

            • Steve

              OK, HETEROSEXUALS she hasn’t nailed.

  • steve (different one)

    i would just like to thank the keepers of this site for reisisting the urge to name the Adam Dunn thread “Git ‘Er Dunn” in favor of the much less annoying “Get It Dunn”.

    kudos.

    • Steve

      I’m Dunn with you.

      • Steve H

        Very well Dunn.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          So Unger served under Oveur, but Oveur was over Dunn.

  • Steve

    Famous women who have been passed around like joints by sports stars

    -Carol Alt

    -Alyssa Milano

    -Madonna

    -Rachel Hunter

    -Elisha Cuthbert

    • Mike Pop

      Barbara Bush

      • steve (different one)

        i have no idea why this is funny, but i still laughed.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Yeah, she was a ho… FOR SHO!

          • Mike Pop

            Hell yea !

    • Thomas

      Anna Benson?

  • Mike Pop

    Imagine if George Bush is the next commisioner.. He would fuck up more shit somehow

    • A.D.

      Imagine if he got the commish job instead of Selig

      • Mike Pop

        Good Point

        • A.D.

          Which if you see the movie W, Stone shows as a tipping point

    • Steve

      The Yanks would be broke, the price of wooden bats would skyrocket, and the Dodgers would invade the Havana Industriales and never leave Cuba.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    Heh, they showed Justin Tuck and his wife/girlfriend (don’t know which) courtside at the Knick game…

    http://ardenphoto.squarespace.com/storage/Atuck%20%2044081.jpg

    For a second, I though she was one of my ex’s…

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones
      • Mike Pop

        I saw that chick in a dirty movie last week…

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          heh…

          • Steve

            She had no idea the camcorder was on, huh?

            Nice.

    • A.D.

      wife, Lauran Williamson

  • Manimal

    Does anyone here watch Fringe?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      No, any good?

      • Manimal

        YEAH, but everyone I ask knows what it is just doesn’t watch it. When you get time you should watch it. http://www.hulu.com

        Dont worry RAB staff, Hulu is a totally legal site owned by Fox and NBC.

    • Thomas

      I watch it I don’t know if I actually enjoy or not, but yet I continually watch it.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Oh Plaxico, you silly gun toting felon you…

    http://tinyurl.com/5bqm25

    • Steve

      Let’s see . . . he’s 31, his trial won’t be over until the middle of next year at the earliest. The best case scenario is a plea bargain for 2 years, if he goes to trial he’ll get 3.5 minimum. The case is a slam dunk, its almost impossible for him to get off completely.

      Played his last game? I’d say ‘Yes”.

      • Steve

        He’d be 32 by the time the trial is over, so if he got 2 years (serves 85%) the first season he could return for would be the 2011 season. He’d be 34 and hasn’t played in 2 years.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Too bad it’s not a federal rap, I was hoping Plax woulda ended up in the same prison with Vick and they coulda teamed up with Paul Crewe and taken on the guards…

        • Mike Pop

          Lmao… that was awesome bro

      • Reggie C.

        Plax has a good shot at playing next season, especially if the NFL takes a passive approach on this one. The NFL isn’t going to suspend Plax for a whole season. He’ll likely lost 2-4 games. Plax has a good lawyer for a reason. Hopefully, discovery & Motion practice draws this one out, and this doesn’t see the inside of a courtroom for a good while. If he’s not a G-man next season, I still hope he gets to play.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          A) Roger Goodell hasn’t exactly been very reluctant to use his suspension power. Mike Vick, Chris Henry, Tank Johnson, and Pacman Jones say hello. I recognize that Burress has been a (virtual) model citizen to this point, but Plax is facing a virtual open and shut case with 3 plus years of potential jailtime. Goodell could easily say this one single act is worse than all of Pacman’s smaller transgressions put together.

          B) I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Giants move to terminate his contract, which they might be able to. And Burress as a free agent, looking for a new team, with a probable league suspension of some sort, doesn’t add up to Plax playing soon.

          • Mike Pop

            Ya man Plax potentially ended his NFL career with that boneheaded move

          • Reggie C.

            Pacman’s smaller transgressions? Didn’t some Joe end up paralyzed in that club altercation? Whatever the potential for disaster existed at LQNY, the alleged crime only injured Plax. Plax also isn’t a recidivist offender with DUIs, assault claims, etc… I don’t think it merits a suspension the likes the guys above landed. I just hope Plax’s lawyer can navigate his way ’round this one. Delay-delay-delay this one!

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              But the gigantic difference between the two is that Pacman was at a club altercation where some dude got paralyzed by somebody ELSE and not by Pacman (he merely started/exacerbated the fight, but didn’t directly cause anybody’s injury), while Plax HIMSELF committed the crime of possessing an illegal gun, crossing state lines with it, and bringing said loaded illegal weapon into a crowded club where it discharged. The fact that the bullet struck nobody but him is what makes it a 3 and a half year sentence and not a 20 year sentence, but HE STILL BROUGHT AN ILLEGAL WEAPON ACROSS STATE LINES AND FIRED IT IN A PUBLIC VENUE.

              Pacman went to a stripclub and made it rain, setting off an unfortunate chain of events where other ignorant muhfuckas not employed by the NFL did ignorant shit and somebody ended up shot.

              Plax HIMSELF committed a felony. His personal and intentional actions were unlawful. The fact that he is the victim does not change the fact that he was the perpetrator of a serious felony.

    • A.D.

      Wost line I’ve heard so far is local newscaster: “Plax’s season is shot”

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Hah, who said that?

        • A.D.

          It was the lead on either local NY Fox or NBC i forget

  • Mike Pop

    Heh… Sabathis rumors debunked

    • Reggie C.

      Good. Now hopefully Sabathia realizes that his preferred West Coast teams just aren’t that serious for him, and it prompts him to sign during the winter meetings.

      • Steve H

        And again, who says he prefers the West Coast? The guy has never pitched on the West Coast in his career, and loved both Cleveland and Milwaukee, but apparently can’t wait to get to the West Coast.

        Negotiating 101

        • Mike Pop

          And the funny thing that people forget to mention is that he was all for pitching in Cleveland before the 08 season started… He cut off talks in ST. No sportswriters ever bring that up anymore.. All you hear is he wants to pitch for the Giants/Dodgers/Angels

          • Steve H

            Leaking that is the best way to drive up the price of a non-West Coast team. Maybe one with bucket loads of cash and a desperate need for an ace. Sound familiar?

  • A.D.

    BA has Jeter still at SS in 2012 (though A-Rod has moved to 1b) and Hughes as our #5

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267148.html

    • Mike Pop

      Do people really think A-Rod cant play 3rd for that much longer? Nady though idk are we really going to resign him ?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Xavier Nady is the one that makes me laugh the most out of that.

      In BA’s defense, they simply look at our in-house options and forecast the best they can, dumping older players and keeping all our younger players.

      But yeah, the Yankees predictions are always screwy, because there’s no way we don’t fill some, if not most, of our holes via outside acquisition.

      • Mike Pop

        Agreed

      • whozat

        “In BA’s defense, they simply look at our in-house options and forecast the best they can, dumping older players and keeping all our younger players.”

        What else could they do? It’d be pointless to try and forecast stuff involving players outside the organization.

        Look at that rotation, though. That is some serious potential. At least one of those guys will never pitch a full season in the bigs, though. An interesting thought, though…as Wang approaches free agency, do you trade him? Not because they can’t afford him, but because they could get some serious return for him. An SS to replace Jeter?

    • Steve H

      I think we discussed this when it came out. It’s only basing the 2012 team on what is in the organization now. So no suitable replacement for Jeter at SS means Jeter stays at SS. It does not consider any future drafting, signings, or trades.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    FWIW, Rob Neyer said in his chat today that, if he had to pick between Derek Lowe and A.J. Burnett, each of them on a FIVE year deal, he’d pick Lowe, because even though he’s older and pitched in the NL West, he’s more consistent and you know what you’re going to get from him for the 5 years, while Burnett (who has superior stuff) is too inconsistent and injury prone to be trusted for 5 years.

    He also says that Lowe being a sinkerballer who doesn’t rely heavily on velocity portends well for him to not break down or fall off a cliff, despite his age.

    “Okay, here’s a fundamental problem I have with Burnett, even aside from all those stints on the DL . . . He’s never been all that great. He’s never picked up a single point in the Cy Young balloting. The best ERA+ in his career was 122, six years ago; Lowe’s *career* ERA+ is 122. I think Lowe might be healthier *and* more talented.”

    http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=23885

    • whozat

      That’s a helluva good point.

      If they get CC, who’s your next starter target? Let’s assume they’ve signed Pettitte for between 12 and 14 mil…they both want it to happen, it’s just a matter of dollars.

      Sign CC with Moose, Pavano and Farnsworth’s money. Sign Pettitte with…his own money. That gives you Abreu and Giambi’s money. What do you do with it? They want to save some, so you can probably get Tex and nobody, or Dunn and somebody.

      • Ed

        A-Rod’s salary goes up $5 million next year.
        Cano’s salary goes up $3 million
        Swisher gets $5.3 million
        Marte gets $3.75 million
        Wang, Nady, and Bruney get raises in arbitration.

        There goes Giambi’s salary. If they’re serious about cutting payroll, then there isn’t much left to spend.

    • whozat

      You could probably also get Lowe and some 4-6 million dollar player…but who? And at what position?

      • whozat

        Juan Rivera, maybe?

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