Open Thread: Is it April yet?


You know what the coolest part is? They actually have the pitching to go along with it this year.

Here’s your open thread for the night. I’m sure you’ll find something to talk about, but if not you can chat about the Rangers taking on the Caps at home. Oh, and make sure you check out the great stuff longtime RABer Dave is doing at his recently launched site, Blueseat Blogs.

Play nice.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. bobtaco says:

    What number does he get? 25?

  2. Steve says:

    Half of this blog owes me something.

    What, I haven’t decided yet. But whatever I decide, be prepared to fork it over.

  3. A.D. says:

    Festivus miracle

  4. Dave says:

    Thanks for the shout out Mike. I’ll be doing an in game thread during the game tonight.

  5. ko says:

    Nice Christmas present

    • steve (different one) says:

      i’d take this opportunity to remind you how many times you insisted that the Yankees weren’t going to spend any money this offseason, but i’m bigger than that.

      j/k, this is a great day for yankee fans.

  6. pat says:

    I honestly haven’t been this excited for a season to start in a loooong time.

    • Steve says:

      Not just for this year, I’m excited for about the next 5 years.

      The depth in pitching means we can work in the kids slowly, and be very selective about who we keep and who we trade. No more force feeding anything.

      The older players will be phased out slowly. One of the kids takes Pettitte’s spot in the rotation next year. Posada’s replacement appears to be in the system in Montero or Romine. Jeter goes to LF, I think possibly as soon as next year. The only position I don’t see a long term answer for is Jeter’s replacement at SS.

  7. brianyanks says:


  8. Marcus says:



  9. Ryan S. says:

    Mets are going after Lowe now:;type=lgns

    Just one more aftereffect of the Teixeira deal.

    • Steve says:

      He was the last big name on the board. The market is as set as it will ever be for all remaining players, so you’d expect the rest to start dropping like flies.

      According to Buster Onley, there will be many of marginal free agents this year (maybe the bottom third) that will be looking at 1 mil contracts and/or spring training invites.

      BTW-Buster’s stock dropped for me this year. After nailing the Yankee off season last year, he totally blew this Tex deal. He was still saying as of this morning that he was going to the Sox. Very disappointing.

      • Arin says:

        For all we know, that’s what the word was. The Yanks appeared to come in from way out in LF.

        • Steve says:

          Anyone who looked at both rosters and the Yankee payroll should have known where he was going to wind up. The Yanks always talk about lowering payroll, and never do. Buster should know that.

  10. Marcus says:

    Now I can watch all 162 games and not be upset at the end of the season.

    This will be an all-star game every day. God, this is great.

    Now I wish I wasn’t limited to 162. Goes by too fast.

  11. Steve says:


    and Vs Lefties I’ll go


    I’m going to be playing with lineups for the rest of the night. And yes, we have to trade somebody. Either Nady or Matsui.

    . . . . make that week.

    Possibly month.

    • Marcus says:

      Switch 3 and 4.

      • Ryan S. says:

        I disagree, Tex is no Manny. I’d rather A-Rod protect Tex than vice versa. I think Tex normally hits in the 3-hole anyway, and A-Rod does great batting 4th. Tex does a perfect job taking over Abreu’s place in the lineup – pretty nice upgrade actually.

      • Steve says:

        Oh trust me, this is a work in progress.

        But Swisher’s 2007 splits (his last good season) were much better against lefties. Other than that, I’m still playing around with these.

        • Sweet Dick Willie says:

          CF Damon
          SS Jeter
          3B Alex
          1B Tex
          DH Matsui
          C Posada
          LF Swisher
          RF Nady
          2B Cano

          Gardner – 4th OF/late inning defensive replacement

          Defensively challenged OF, but man-o-man, that line-up could score 950-1,000 runs.

          • Steve says:

            You gotta split up your lefties and righties. Make the opposing mgr burn a LOOGY and gives you a better shot at a late win.

          • barry says:

            I used the baseball musings line-up calculator and this same line up put out 5.88 runs a game which is approximately 952 runs. Not too shabby.

          • Old Ranger says:

            With the staff we have, there is no need to score 950/1000 runs. I think one would put the best defence out there; LF-Johnny/Swisher, CF-Brett/Johnny, RF-Nady/Swisher.
            I wouldn’t trade Matsui, he is more valuable to us then anyone else…Johnny or Nady are my choices. 27/09.

            • Steve says:

              A run suppressed counts just as much as a run scored. I’m looking forward to us winning some of those low scoring games this year.

          • Eric says:

            Good lineup. Might need a CF though. Just a thought.

    • Ryan S. says:

      I’d say Nady – we’ll get more in return and Matsui is a quality DH.

      • Steve says:

        Yeah, there’s not much money around baseball these days. So the young, cheap guy will not only fetch the most, but could be the only one who’s even tradeable.

        • Ryan S. says:

          Unless we want to eatfuck a ton of Matsuicide’s salary this year, no one would touch him. I’ll take a healthy Matsui’s bat over Nady’s anyway, and Swisher can definitely take over RF for the next 3 years and replace him in the lineup. I’d really like to see a youngster play in CF.

          • Steve says:

            Don’t be so sure about Swisher. We’ve seen other young, healthy guys (Andruw Jones) go down the drain since the steroid ban.

            I don’t give him a full time job anywhere until he proves he produce enough. And a .742 OPS doesn’t give you a starting corner position on the Yanks.

            • Ryan S. says:

              If we don’t trade anybody, I agree Swish is the guy who sits on the bench on opening day. Swisher will hopefully bounce back though … if we get something like the Bill James projected version of him, I’ll be satisfied.

  12. Marcus says:

    Can Nick Swisher play center field?

  13. deezer says:

    remind me: whom am i supposed to like on this team? a bunch of mercenaries and overpaid, over-the-hill remnants of those great championship squads.

    maybe i’ll buy a cano jersey this year. maybe i just give in to the idea that buying a championship is somehow satisfying for a fan…

    • Alan says:

      Weren’t you the one shouting for Manny this morning?

    • Steve says:

      All homegrown

      Phil Hughes
      Joba Chamberlain

      Nady is still young and in his prime, and those “overpaid remnants” (Pettitte/Posada/Jeter/Mo) were all home grown players.

      • Steve says:

        BTW-Of all the pitching moves we made this winter, watch Joba become the clear Ace of the staff by July. He has better stuff than CC, and better control than Burnett.

      • kimonizer says:

        The whole homegrown thing is blown out of proportion. You could even assail that some on that list in this way

        Edwar (picked up after Angels abandoned him)
        Veras (picked up after Rays abandoned him)
        Bruney (acquired in a trade I think after a little ML experience)
        Aceves (spent lots of time in Mexican league where he developed)
        Pettitte (resigned after sting with Houston)

        I am nitpicking on purpose to point out that it is not the homegrown thing that is important, more that we have a good crop of young cost-controlled players (preferably even some with option remaining) who allow us to go after the big fish when they become available because they keep the payroll down and roster flexible.

        That’s why we should stick with Gardner in center now that we have such a potent offensive infield and don’t require thump from our OFs, why it was so important to keep the young arms that project as the heart of the rotation in the future, why we need some more position players in the minors (we could maybe trade a few of our excess of minor arms for those) and why it is imperative that we keep drafting well. The best thing is that I think that this is exactly what Cash’s new plan is and the team will be served well by it over the next decade.

      • kunaldo says:

        exactly…as for the sox? lets go over the non homegrowns:

        Manny(up until last year of course, but still)

        so seriously, stop it…they’re not any better than us…one could argue they’re worse…just b/c they spend less on their free agents doesnt make them more righteous

        • deadrody says:

          Since I always make this argument in favor of the Yankees, I have to do so for the Sox now, too. Lowell and Beckett are not hired mercenaries if you have to look at it that way. The Sox gave up Hanley Ramirez and Anibel Sanchez (no hitter) to get them, so the strength of their farm system was at work there, too, not just when those guys make it to Fenway.

          • K.B.D. says:

            What they hell does this distinction matter? If the Yankees win the world series, don’t they win? Why is there this infatuation with “home-grown” and “mercenaries”? EVERYONE IS GETTING PAID TO PLAY BASEBALL, THEY’RE ALL MERCENARIES!


  14. kimonizer says:

    Everyone is still ranking BoSox and/or Rays above Yanks for this coming season. What do people think? I call BS and they really aren’t doing a full analysis of changes made.

    I mean how have the Sox gotten better and how will they get better. Are there any options for them out there? Do people really recognize how much a lack of Manny will affect that team over a full year? What will another year of age do for Ortiz and Lowell? Who is their catcher?

    Also, who thinks the Rays will repeat and won’t suffer the fate that Detroit did after their great run? Will Shields and Garza turn into a Verlander/Robertson/Bonderman redux? Aren’t people going to be ready for the Rays this year and how will they deal with expectations?

    You gotta think someone thinks this is the Yankees’ year.

  15. Brooklyn Ed says:

    Posada will definitely remind him of this:

  16. Steve says:

    With this signing coming so close to Christmas, maybe we should rewrite some carols in his honor.

    “Tex the hall of fame with Yankees, fa la lalala fa la lala”

  17. Steve says:

    First person Tex says hello to in the Yankee clubhouse?

    Edwar Ramirez.

  18. Dave says:

    3-0 Rangers, including 2 goals in 11 seconds.

  19. BigBlueAL says:

    So, anyone still mad at Cash for not offering arbitration to Abreu, Pettitte, Pudge and Giambi??????

    • Steve says:

      I was dead wrong about that. Pudge has yet to receive an offer, Abreu is looking at 16 for TWO years (not one) and Andy will likely sign for around the 10 mil the Yanks want.

      Cash read the marketplace beautifully. Props to the Cash-man.

      • Thomas says:

        I agree. Cashman read the market perfectly. The only problem I have with not offering arbitration is that we still have no idea if any of them accept. Pettitte probably would have accepted, but maybe Rodriguez and Abreu would have declined. It clearly would be a bad move for them to decline, but almost every player declined including Varitek and Ibanez (two similar players). So while the market hasn’t shaped up for Pudge and Abreu, at the time of arbitration, the two may have thought they would get good deals, declined, and we’d get the draft picks.

        I personally though would not have offered it to any, because the possibility of the picks < possibility all accept.

  20. canadian tuxedo says:

    Its about time the rangers starting spreading some christmas cheer.

  21. Ajay says:

    Now with Tex signed I really am interested in this report yesterday from that paper in DR of Manny signing with the Yanks. Is it still possible Cashman makes a press for Manny?

  22. Ari says:

    So for me the biggest question is what does the organization do with Jesus Montero now? with Tex around they can’t develop him at 1B, and though they keep insisting that they will keep him behind the plate that simply makes very little sense since 1) he may be physically too big to play the position, and 2) Romine seems to be defensively better suited to be the Yankees next catcher, and also projects to be an above average offensive catcher. Keeping Montero behind the plate only serves to retard Romine’s developement. So it now seems like Montero has got to be switched to a corner outfield spot, and will eventually join the club in that capacity, or as the DH, though that seems like a waste given that Montero is no Ortiz, and is athletic enough to play the field.

    • kunaldo says:

      i mean, montero is about the same size as Sandy Alomar, Jr….so if he could remain as a catcher throughout most of his career(1324 games to be exact), why can’t montero do the same? or at least start out as such until tex comes off the books…

      i mean, a more offensive oriented catcher has worked w/ jorge hasnt it?

    • Thomas says:

      You see a problem with adding the best available free agent, because we have a prospect that is at least three years away and plays a different position.

      Montero is far from a sure thing with the bat. He is extremely talented, but you never know what may happen. He could get hurt or just never pan out (eg Eric Duncan). Prospects fail all the time.

      Additionally, he plays another position than Teixeira. While Romine may be a better defensive catcher now, Montero may improve. Also, Romine may never pan out and could fall apart at the next level. Thus, keeping Montero behind the plate. Having both behind the plate will not retard their development, in fact it will probably help their knees/body from over use.

      Even if both work out, the problem is three years or more away. At that time or before it, either/both could be traded. They could be traded when they are MLB ready for a very valuable player. They also may be inferior players to Teixeira.

      In other words, signing Teixeira was a good organizational move. Conversely, projecting two 19 year old prospects as your future 1B and C, and thus,\ deciding who you sign in FA, is a very, very bad move for the organization.

      P.S. Montero’s value is in his bat. He has the bat to play DH. He does not have enough speed to be in the OF.

      • Old Ranger says:

        He is considered an athletic catcher. Translation; Yogi played LF with Howard back in the day…no one can say that Yogi was speedy. It is more to do with tracking the ball off the bat…can he do that, if so, speed is not a big deal. Ken Singleton played RF, one looks up the words ; “Slow OF’d”. his name pops up. 27/09.

    • steve (different one) says:

      Keeping Montero behind the plate only serves to retard Romine’s developement.

      what an incredible “problem” to have.

    • Ivan says:

      Wait til the that situation comes to that.

      • Gsloot says:

        they could just platoon romine and montero at dh and catcher for four years. If they make the majors in four that would put them at the end of the Tex contract, then they could move Montero to first. That’s if both pan out, there won’t be a problem.

        Look at Madonna that women is a physical spectacle, put arod on that workout and he’ll play a solid third base till the end of that contract.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      1) he may be physically too big to play the position

      Joe Mauer – 6’5″, 220lbs
      Jesus Montero – 6’4′, 225lbs

      What’s the problem?

    • Steve says:

      First, don’t worry about guys in A ball. Chances are one of Romine/Montero bombs out at AA, and your choice gets made for you.

      Second, the stuff about him being too big can be offset by athleticism, which he has. Being 6’4″ is not a death sentence for him as a catcher. He’s a good athlete and is improving defensively. Most MLB catchers are at least 6′, and some of the best ones are 6’3″ and above, so its not a big deal.

      BTW-Other 6’3″+ catchers

      AJ Pierczynski (CHI)
      Joe Mauer (6’5″) (TWN)
      Brian McCann (ATL)
      Ramon Castro (MET)
      Dusty Ryan (TIG)
      John Buck (KCR)
      Rob Bowen (OAK)
      Jarrod Saltalamacchia (TEX)
      Chris Snyder (ADB)
      Josh Bard (SDP)

      Uber prospect Matt Weiters is 6’4″ and Mike Piazza was 6’3″. It can be done.

    • Billy Beane says:

      no dh.

      most likely a corner of spot.

  23. mustang says:

    I’m just happy to think I was trying to convince myself that I could live with Manny in pinstripes. Thank God!

    Lets get Andy and finish the job. In retrospect Andy should be killing himself trying to call Cashman right now. I can see Cashman looking at his cell as Andy calls and saying ” I’m going to fuck with him for a bit.”

  24. Joey H says:

    Given this Roster if it remains as is for opening day, say you put this in a video game and simulate the whole season, How many wins do you put this team at?

  25. Joey H says:

    Damn the Indiana Pacer arena is more empty than a Marlins home game.

  26. steve (different one) says:

    remember like a week before CC signed when people were freaking out that the Yankees might not get ANY good free agents?

    that was a LONG time ago.

  27. Rich M says:

    I was checking out Cot’s contract site and found this kind of funny.

    The Sox Still owe Manny a ton of money. They will be paying him almost 2 mill a year from 2011 to 2026

  28. Joey H says:

    Ok guys, We got Teixeira. I’ll treat for beers and then take us to the Cub game and treat as well. Just bring your binoculars because I’m only spending a quarter :)

  29. Mark Teixeira says:

    God, cant spring training start already???/

  30. Mike Pop says:

    Mike A, you could’nt find a better pic of Teix ? You like seeing him from the backside ? Seems a little

  31. VO says:

    How many wins do you think the Yankees will get this season?

  32. Kelvin says:

    Hey guys, anyone of you remember that quote Cash said around the time he got the contract with the yanks which gave him more control over the decisions? (2004 i guess?)

    I can’t remember the exact quote, or where i read it, but i think it he (Cashman) said something like, given the Yanks financial capabilities and the growing farm system, may God help the rest of baseball.

    I guess he was right. :D

    • Kelvin says:

      Ok, i found it. (Found it from a forum however, not from the actual article.)

      “We have the most money-there’s no secret about that- AND if we combine that with the best decision making process on a consistent basis, THEN GOD HELP THE REST OF BASEBALL”

  33. Steve says:

    Check out this lineup


    I like the idea of bunching up the switch hitters. It means the good OBP buys should create scoring opportunities, and then the middle of the order will be impossible for opposing managers to match up with their middle relievers.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Teix would be better batting 3rd wouldnt he ? Cuz unclutch A-Rod will GIDP in the big spot.

      • Steve says:

        A-Rod at #3 means he gets more ABs and you take advatage of his high OBP. He also plays a role in the 3 hole that may be more suited to his personality. He doesn’t have to TRY to knock in runs, his job is to just have a good AB. That’s when Alex produces best.

        It will be a tough sales job, though. Alex fancies himself as the big man in the lineup (which he is). That’s often where he gets into trouble, when he tries to force things.

        • Old Ranger says:

          Very nice thinking Steve;
          Nice line-up and the part about A-Rod is good, also very true. A-Rod has always had trouble with his image, or maybe I should say; playing up to his image in high stress situations. You nailed it…force things!
          I think I like Matsui as #5 and Nady on the bench. But hay, yours is good too. 27/09.

    • A.D. says:

      You had me at:

      3 A-Rod
      4 Tex

      • Steve says:

        I know, but I’m drooling over the late inning possibilities with those switch hitters against most teams garbage middle relief pitchers.

        110 wins, baby.

  34. gg says:

    why is the espn sportsnation poll asking if cmw will be a yank in 2010?????

    • Mike Pop says:

      Cuz they hate that we signed 3 of the top 5 FA’s and think we will do it for the rest of eternity

    • Steve says:

      That’s actually a fair question. If Hughes develops into a stud and we have other guys on the way (Brackman/Betances) then you could see us letting him go, having better internal options.

      Lots of ‘ifs’ involved, but a fair question.

      • Joey H says:

        I doubt we would let him go. Especially if AJ gets hurt. Which I dont see happening.

      • gg says:

        if he has a decent first half, id sy it was about time to consider locking him up for a while, now he’ be paid as a #3 not a #1, people want to talk his game down and maybe hes not a true ace but certainly a quality arm and MUCH more proven than IPK or Hughes. Joba as well as far as a longterm starter and durability standpoint, but theres no question who has better stuff

    • Alan says:

      I wouldn’t be shocked to see CMW walk or get traded. We’ve got a pipeline of starters coming through the minors, surely a couple of them will pan out. CMW is set for a big contract. If it looks like Betances/Brackman/Kennedy/Hughes/Aceves/etc. will work out, move Wang for prospects to restock the farm.

    • A.D. says:

      I believe he’s still arb eligible then …if he isnt a Yank we’re getting a nice bat for him

  35. deadrody says:

    I am THRILLED. Just let out a good yell when I read the news. Haven’t been this excited since my Cowboys drafted Emmitt Smith.

  36. mustang says:

    “So much for J.P. Ricciardi’s recent name-drop of Orlando Hudson and Jason Giambi. He told’s Jordan Bastian today: “We’re done. We won’t be spending any money.” J.P. is going to let the kids play in 2009.”

    Well that’s one down and Yanks haven’t even field the team yet. The moves are already paying off.

  37. Mike A. says:

    This game just got unnecessarily interesting. Three straight goals to make it 4-3 with thirteen minutes to go? Time to bring Mo in.

  38. Mike Pop says:

    I love the add: “Chedda gets Cheddar”…Thats like the Yankees this offseason

  39. LiveFromNY says:

    While it would be nice to have Andy back, the only one who will really lose if he walks is Andy. What is he waiting for?

  40. Januz says:

    I am so happy with this signing. It is the ideal situation that I mentioned a couple of days ago, where the Yankees win, the Sox lose, and the Angels are really hurt with no K-rod or Tex. All we need is to see Manny back with the Dodgers.
    I have heard the Entertainment and SOX Programming Network (ESPN), bringing out John Henry complaining about money, and saying how unfair the Yankee revenue stream is. I feel zero pity for them. ESPN enjoyed rubbing it in over the luxury tax payment and third place. Tonight is payback time. What people are forgetting about this signing, is that it is not all money. Tex really wanted to come here. I base this on the fact, that there are no Boras opt out clauses in the contract (Unlike with CC).

    • Joey H says:

      The Angels are the big losers of the off season.

      • the Braves factor into that discussion as well

        • Joey H says:

          Well at least they got Javy.

          • Jay CT says:

            No way dude. The Braves got fuckin HAMMERED this offseason. Factor in the way the Peavy deal fell apart, the Burnett near miss, missing out on the young Japanese kid the Sox got, settling for Javy when they wanted 2 “aces” and didn’t get one yet, and then the Furcal thing? Imagine if Tex decides tomorrow he changes his mind and wants to go to the Angels. They had one of the worst offseasons in a LONG time.

      • gg says:

        the angels will be fine(unfortunately), they were what ten games up when tex got there? Dumb to trade kotchman though for a shortterm fix, i dont know much about the kid they will put at first. I dont think Krod will hurt them too much, perhaps fuentes will have just as good of a save%. if their young pitchers regress is the only way they wont be that good…saunders and escobar broght game last season, that escobar start vs. ponson i think was filthy

    • Alan says:

      Don’t forget the full no-trade clause, too. He’s going to be a Yankee for a long time.

  41. Joey H says:

    Wow today get better and better. Devin Harris got the game winner at the buzzer. Awesome !

  42. Steve says:

    “Peter Abraham has learned a lesson from this. “This will also teach me not to believe anything Cashman says about living under a budget.”

    That’s going a bit too far. The Yanks have a budget, it just happens to be 200 mil each year.

    And in case nobody’s noticed, they’re STILL under last years budget.

    88 mil coming off

    CC-24 mil
    AJ-16.5 mil
    Swisher-5 mil
    Marte-4 mil
    Tex-22.5 mil

    Total added 72 mil. With Andy 82 mil. Toss in some arby raises and VOILA! you got your 200 mil, just like last year.

  43. Dave says:

    Why can’t the Rangers ever play 60 fucking minutes of consistent hockey? Blew a 4-0 lead, lost 5-4. You have to be kidding me.

  44. Manimal says:

    Best offseason ever.

  45. Joey H says:

    Now how many runs does Tex drive in this year? He probably has the best top of the order he ever played behind.

  46. Jamal G. says:

    This whole Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez three-four combo is just making me giddy. Seriously, this is really fucking awesome.

  47. Joey H says:

    Wow I like Max Kellerman’s comment on the Tex signing. He said people bitch and complain about the Yankees signing everyone but the Celtics are allowed to bring in Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett without complaints. Very interesting.

  48. Steve says:

    Owners react, in Kieth Law’s piece

    “At the rate the Yankees are going, I’m not sure anyone can compete with them,” Milwaukee Brewers owner Mark Attanasio told Bloomberg News in an e-mail. “Frankly, the sport might need a salary cap.”

    The minute the Yanks get an opportunity to draft top talent in the amateur draft, then fine. But until then, you use your advantages and we’ll use ours.

    “From the moment we arrived in Boston in late 2001, we saw it as a monumental challenge,” team owner John Henry said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “We sought to reduce the financial gap and succeeded to a degree. Now with a new stadium filled with revenue opportunities, they have leaped away from us again. ”


    • Joey H says:

      With no due respect, John Henry can un-do my zipper.

      • steve (different one) says:

        this is a hilarious expression.

      • Jamal G. says:

        You deserve so much credit, I never knew there was a subtle, clever way of saying this.

      • Steve says:

        As I detailed above, its not even accurate. The Yanks are still below last years 200 mil salary.

        The Yanks keep their payroll the same, and these people are acting like they’ve exploded the salary structure. Tex’s 22.5 is less than Giambi’s 23.5, 16.5 for Burnett is the going rate for a #2 starter, and the CC contract mirrors the one the METS gave Johan Santana last year. The Yanks haven’t set any new AAV’s here.

        Which only goes to prove something I’ve always known. Very few complain when everyone else spends money, but when the Yanks do the exact same thing, its “Bad for Baseball”.

        It’s either uninformed or anti Yankee bias, usually its both.

        • andrew says:

          I agreed with everything you said, except that 16.5 is not exactly going rate for a #2 starter. That is ace money. The braves were offering him that contract to be their #1.

    • Ryan S. says:

      I’m pissed off at the bitching about our spending – people are making it out to be so much more than it is. Where replaced the expiring contracts of old superstars coming off the books with new contracts for superstars. Big fucking deal. Overall our salary is on pace to go down – if not this year, then next year and from there on. Mark Attanasio is either ignorant or just using our off season acquisitions as political leverage to advocate something that would behoove him. I can tolerate fans talking shit, but it genuinely bothers when owners and GMs badmouth the Yankees, they should know better.

      The Yankees are going to sell out every stadium they visit this year and make a ton of money for baseball as a whole.

  49. gxpanos says:

    Another thing about this is that the Yankees went from having maybe one of the worst defensive outfield to a pretty good one. Swish is above average in right, correct? Now that we have Tex, you can pencil in Bretty in center (above average defense) and Damon in left (average). And there you go.

    Now, Cash has to try to get a decent prospect for Nady/Matsui. He’s on fire right now; I hope he has one more good deal in him this offseason, and gets one more prospect we can be excited about.

    Merry and Christmas!

  50. jad says:

    Great move but we are still not finished. We still need more defensive upgrade. Please sign Hudson for 2b and trade Cano to LA for Kemp. Bring back Andy for one year and every move I hoped for and predicted will become reality. I would pray for Manny to DH but that would be ignorently selfish.

  51. Mike W. says:

    I just got home from work. I am still speechless. I can’t wait for baseball to start again. Such a sick offseason!!!!

  52. Joey H says:

    MY GOD DO I JUST WANT TO KICK TIM KURKJIAN IN THE FREAKEN throat with that whiney ass voice. “The Desperate Yankeeeeeeess” GOSH!

  53. gg says:

    were not gonna pay odog but someone will, who?

  54. Joey H says:

    Although I don’t buy the story in which this video is derived from but it is great for a laugh with a little bit of a holiday spin.

  55. RkyMtnYank says:

    These signings are like crack, once you have a taste you get stupid for more. Is there really any sense to replacing Cano with Hudson and adding Kemp? bleh

    I’m fine right now with not even adding Andy and staying with Hughes/Aceves and an outfield of Damon/Gardner/Swisher. Of course we gotta trade Nady but that shouldn’t be too hard after the year he had.

    • Joey H says:

      Having never used crack, or any other drug unless you consider nicotine a drug before in my life I can’t relate with you on that but as the comment goes on you hit the nail right on the head. I think the majority of the moves for the Yankees are done. My guess is they try to boost the bench a little and maybe trade an Of’er.

  56. Jamal G. says:

    The Yankees get some Cash back!

    Heh, see what I did there? I fucking rule.

  57. Steve says:

    “Yankees Sign Kevin Cash

    The Yankees are unstoppable! Joel Sherman says they’ve added catcher Kevin Cash on a minor league deal potentially worth $700K.”

    Woah . . . wait a minute here. I was all on board with CC/AJ/Tex, but now they’ve gone too far.

  58. K.B.D. says:

    It’s looking more and more like Boston’s big FA this offseason is going to be… JASON VARITEK!

  59. RkyMtnYank says:

    Well they can still get Manny!

    • K.B.D. says:

      I think you’re a new poster here, so no big deal, but if you’re directly replying to someone’s comment (as I believe you were) you should use the “Reply to this comment” button located in the lower right area of the person’s comment. Helps to keep things organized.

    • Joey H says:

      Yeah that is what made me laugh. I was like well they can still go add another big bat. And then I was like well you know what, they won’t. Manny is an obvious forgetabbboutitt

  60. Jamal G. says:

    Heh, Brian Cashman is the “Michael” to Theo Epstein’s “Toby”.

    … I fucking love Creed.

  61. Steve says:

    Good LoHud post, answers a LOT of questions.

    “After speaking to several different people this evening, it appears the arrival of Mark Teixeira could mean the departure of Andy Pettitte.

    Pettitte has been sitting on a $10 million offer from the Yankees for a while now, believing he deserves a salary closer to the $16 million he made last season. But unless the Yankees are able to trade one of their extra hitters, there may be no room for Pettitte.

    Signing Teixeira and fellow free agents Damaso Marte, A.J. Burnett and CC Sabathia will add roughly $65 million to the payroll in 2009. That’s roughly $20 million less than the Yankees have coming off from 2008 and they would like to keep it that way.

    Meanwhile, the Yankees have no intention of using Nick Swisher in center field. While they consider him at least an average corner outfielder, they do not like his play in center. Joe Girardi is also on the record as saying he would prefer not to use Johnny Damon in center.

    While a very good left fielder, Damon has slipped in center. The Yankees also have concerns about whether his legs could handle the demands of playing there full time.

    Damon, Swisher, Hideki Matsui and Xavier Nady have varying degrees of trade value. Much of Damon’s value comes in his ability to hit first, something the Yankees would not want to surrender. They have up a top prospect (Jose Tabata) to get Nady, so parting with him would be difficult.

    That could make Matsui and Swisher the best candidates.”

    • K.B.D. says:

      Well, then I think Swishers most likely to stay as he’s on a friendly deal and can actually play defense in a number of positions. Matsui is going to be relegated to DH work and is in the last season of his contract…

      Bye bye Godzilla?

      • Steve says:

        Not that friendly a deal. He goes from 5 mil this year to 6.75 in 2010 and 9 mil in 2011, with a 10 mil option after that. He’s not that cheap. If he continues to produce like he did last year, he’d be tough to move with 20 mil coming to him.

    • Moshe Mandel says:

      I dont think they should trade anyone, and I think they should sign Pettitte. Are they really going to make themselves worse for a few million bucks?

      • A.D. says:

        Is giving Hughes a shot at the #5 really making them worse

        • Steve says:

          With Hughes and Joba on Innings limits, that doesn’t really work.

          You could spot start Aceves once a month to keep their innings down, or just go with The Mexican Gangster as your #5. The Yanks seem pretty married to letting Hughes work on things in AAA next year, so that’s where I think they’ll go.

          • Moshe Mandel says:

            This. Splitting innings between Hughes and Aceves is likely to produce worse numbers than Pettitte.

          • K.B.D. says:

            Somebody had an interesting idea awhile ago in a comment thread of having Hughes and Joba split games themselves. Like go 4IP for Joba and 4IP for Hughes with Mo coming in to close if necessary, or getting a 5IP/4IP split. I thought it was interesting, though I understand they likely won’t do it.

        • Whozat says:

          Since there will be plenty of innings for him as the sixth guy, I really think the added certainty of andy’s 200 innings is preferable

      • Steve says:

        I think that’s Pete holding on to the idea that they still want to lower payroll. He was very up front about telling everyone Tex was a “fantasy” and now he has egg on his face for believing Cash.

      • steve (different one) says:

        after signing the top 3 FA’s on the market, can we really complain if they actually do want to have a limit on the payroll?

        • Moshe Mandel says:

          Certainly not. I just dont get spending 190 Million but not 200 if it would fill the only real hole on the roster, an innings eater for the back of the rotation.

    • A.D. says:

      They have [given] up a top prospect (Jose Tabata) to get Nady, so parting with him would be difficult.

      This is only true if the Yankees can’t turn Nady into some type of outfield prospect

  62. A.D. says:

    Per MLBTR

    The Braves like Xavier Nady and Nick Swisher.

    • Joey H says:

      Ok and who do the Braves have that we like?

      • A.D. says:

        they have a very nice farm, myself and other posters debated out what else we’d have to add to arrive at Jordan Schafer at a previous thread.

        But they have a nice farm that we could potentially get a piece of

        • K.B.D. says:

          The more I thought about Schafer the more I believe we’d be buying him low. But I’m just wary of trading for him when he’s only had one season without HGH and it wasn’t too impressive.

          • K.B.D. says:

            As impressive as his earlier seasons, that is.

          • A.D. says:

            he did go OPS over 800 last year. OBP was up, avg was down, and Slug was a tick lower than ’07.

            Slugging is what you’d worry about the most.

            But needless to say, I’d love that move

            • K.B.D. says:

              Strikeout % jumped from about 23 (career minors) to 30, which says to me he might have to be swinging that much harder to get the slugging the same. I’m no scout, obviously, but that was the first thing my mind jumped to to look at and there was something there.

            • Ryan S. says:

              Get that fool. Would it take more than just X or Swisher to get it done?

              • K.B.D. says:

                Depends on how low they are on Schafer and how badly they need an OF. I’d say no, but I’d understand people who think it wouldn’t take much.

          • Mike A. says:

            They wouldn’t be able to get Schafer anyway. Something like Brandon Jones and Jo-Jo Reyes and assorted crap for Nady could work, but that’s nothing to write home about. Too bad they don’t still have Lillibridge.

            • A.D. says:

              Kelly Johnson?

              • Mike A. says:

                Holy shit, that … works! Straight up, one-for-one deal might be possible. Obviously you try to get them to throw in another player, but yeah, that makes sense.

                KJ can play just about anywhere, so he’d be great for the bench, but can still play full-time in case of injury.

                • Mike A. says:

                  Actually, no it doesn’t because they don’t have a 2B to replace him.

                • K.B.D. says:

                  Didn’t the have a deal with Rafael Furcal? So they could move Yunel Escobar to 2B? I heard they had faxed a signed term sheet to Furcal’s people…

                  They must’ve signed him, right?

                • A.D. says:

                  While they dont have a 2B to replace him, I still saw that theyre interested in shopping him (though this might have been right around the Furcal fiasco).

                  The Braves could still go and get O-Dog or Wiggington for 2B

                • A.D. says:

                  The Braves have been shopping Kelly Johnson for an outfielder. Attempts to acquire Ryan Ludwick or Corey Hart did not work out.

                  From MLBTR on Dec 12th. So

                  Before they were close to signing Furcal (though he was a possibility)

                • A.D. says:

                  Check that Dec 17th… same day Furcal signed with the Dodgers

            • A.D. says:

              Original thought was Nady & IPK in a deal for Schafer.

    • RkyMtnYank says:

      That could be just the convenient out we need to get some more prospects.

      Also, tks for the tip K.B.D. I am new but have been reading for about a year! :0

    • Reggie C. says:


      We’d do better just unloading Matsui to an AL team. We’re going to need to see what Nady and Swish can do going forward as Damon ends his tenure with the Yanks after this season.

      We can’t replace an entire OF in one off-season. Well … its highly unlikely we’d do a good job at doing so. At the minimum, lets see if a combo of Nady and Mats can interest a team to cough up a decent prospect.

      • Reggie C. says:

        86 that suggestion. I meant to say Nady or Mats…

        obviously we can’t unload both bats…right?

      • A.D. says:

        We don’t need 1 of the Nady/Matsui/Damon/Swisher bunch.

        Damon: has a no trade, can play the outfield, only real leadoff guy, and probably more valuable to us then what we get in return (compensation + 2009 numbers)

        Matsui: has a no trade, and has very little value coming off surgery. If he’s healthy (as they say he is) he’s a perfect DH for us.

        Swisher: Just traded for, you’ll have a hard time getting more back for him that some teams equivalent of Betemit, Marquez, and Nunez…. essentially worth more to us.

        Nady: Coming of a career year & going into prime, likely type A FA after 2009, clearly the most valuable on the open market (though likely will put up worse numbers than Damon or Matsui)

        Yes when the FAs hit after 2009 we have Melky, Brett, Swisher, and AJAX under contract, best case scenario Swisher bounces back, and Brett produces what he did in AAA. Maybe we will need to sign Bay or Nady. But they don’t need to be on our team, Nady won’t be cheaper to resign then sign as a FA, especially if we can get a prospect from Nady that is greater than the pick we would loose to get him. And if the prospect is a decent outfielder we might not need him.

        Hell the Yanks could trade Nady for Kelly Johnson, have Johnson sit as a utility guy in ’09, then put him in LF and leadoff in 2010

  63. Joey H says:

    No Manny for the Mets. Omar couldn’t convince the wilpons. I guess that’s what happens when you fall victim to a ponzi scheme, Your wallet gets a lot lighter

  64. Conan the Barack O'Brian says:

    endless comedy, this:

    the best line is “Impacto Deportivo Insists Sox Will Still Sign Teixeira”

  65. steve says:

    Outside of andy who else could the Yanks conceivably go after?

  66. RkyMtnYank says:

    Ok, so I really have no experience with the crack thing, but, after a few capt’n cokes I was wondering … is Damon is tradable? Is an OF of Nady/Gardner/Swisher feasible with Gardner leading off? I really liked what he did when he came back up last year before they went to the ‘everyday’ lineup and he saw no playing time. It’s obvious though, that Damon made this offense go last year when he was on so can we afford to lose that? Just a thought.

  67. inman says:

    espn just said the yanks wont win the east next year- no sense in watching or do we hope for the wild card?

    • Mike A. says:

      They’ve said that they’ll miss the playoffs every year since 2002, and they were finally right last season.

      • inman says:

        they’re pretty smart in that studio, or so i’ve heard. especially kruk. alot of other smart former major leaguers too. gammons, that dude is real smart- my grandma on cape cod told me so

      • BigBlueAL says:

        Rob Neyer just wrote that despite what guys on ESPN are/will say that the Yankees arent the team to beat, they are wrong. The Yankees are indeed the team to beat.

        One more thing, do you think this at all affects the Pettitte situation?? Hope not, but if he is smart he better call up Cashman immediately and tell him where do I sign….

        • Joey H says:

          It definitely doesn’t. The decision is in Pettitte’s hands. If he wants to come he will and if he doesn’t then we are stock piled with young arms that are raring to go

  68. pat says:

    HAHAHAHA to add insult to injury the Yankees just signed former boston catcher Kevin cash to a ileague deal.


  69. Jamal G. says:

    Heh, the Red Sox got treated like a backup date:

    Boras requested an extension of the deadline until this morning, telling the Sox that Teixeira and his wife, Georgia, were traveling and needed time to discuss their options. When the Sox spoke with Boras again this morning, Boras again asked for additional time, prompting the Sox to believe that their offer was being shopped, likely to the Yankees.

    When yet another conversation early this afternoon did not yield results, the Sox pressed for a hard deadline and were told that Teixeira would not be pressured into making a deal.
    Soon after, the Sox were informed that Teixeira had agreed to terms with another club, which of course turned out to be the Yankees.


  70. Moshe Mandel says:

    Nady is a decent player with a decent contract in his prime in a contract year- I dont trade him.
    Swish is our only outfielder signed after this season- I dont trade him.
    Damon is our leadoff hitter, our best defensive LF, and seems to be an important clubhouse guy. I dont trade him.
    Matsui, when healthy, is probably the best bat of the four and would be difficult to trade due to his health issues. I dont trade him, and probably cant.
    With the saturation of the market for outfielders, I just dont see a good deal out there.

    • RkyMtnYank says:

      Yea, I agree, good points all!

    • MattG says:

      I do not agree with the first point: Nady is a decent player with a decent contract in his prime in a contract year–after having a very lucky BABIP season in which his value got inflated above his actual worth. He is the most likely one to be the poorest hitter of the group in 2009. I trade him right now.

      He is also probably the 3rd poorest defensive player of the 4 (although still OK).

  71. Jamal G. says:

    I can’t wait to read/hear Peter Gammons’ thoughts. The one-eighty he will most likely pull on Mark Teixeira will be epic.

    • BigBlueAL says:

      C’mon Jamal its Christmas, leave Peter Gammons alone!!

      Now Steve Phillips on the other hand, who all along has been saying that signing CC and AJ was good but the Yankees need another bat like Tex, and now that they sign him he says they still might finish 3rd in the AL East is another thing. Screw that idiot!!!!

      • Alan says:

        Obviously we need to sign Manny, that’s the only solution. WE MUST APPEASE THE BASEBALL TONIGHT ANALYSTS!!1!11!1!1!!

      • Jamal G. says:

        Bah, I still respect the dude (and the fact that he rocks a pair of kicks with fine-tailored suits at $3K a pop is a plus in my book), but his endless spin annoys me to a great end.

    • Mike A. says:

      Oh I’m looking forward to it too. I’m thinking it might go something like this:

      “The Red Sox knew Teixeira would be a big addition to the middle of their lineup, essentially replacing the flaky Manny Ramirez’s production while adding depth that would push Jason Bay to the 7th spot. But in the end the cost was too prohibitive, and …

      Oh fuck it. The Yankees are pieces of shit. He was ours dammit, he was supposed to be playing in Fenway you fuckshits! The Evil Empire? Fuck that. That team is straight up gay. Mark Teixeira is a bitch. CC Sabathia is a bitch. Derek Jeter is a bitch. Aaron Boone is a bitch. But most of all, that little queer Brian Cashman is a no-talent assclown that needs to resort to bidding against himself to get players.

      But God dammit, I respect him.”

      • BigBlueAL says:

        You forgot to add, “For Diamond Cutters, this is Peter Gammons, ESPN”

      • inman says:

        i think you really went to far when you said Bay would be in the 7th spot. you did however forget what a queer bucky dent is.

        • Mike A. says:

          You think?


          Althought I suppose they could bat Pedroia leadoff, Youkilis second, and Ellsbury eighth while Drew, Bay & Lowrie move up a spot.

          • Jamal G. says:

            I was thinking this would be most optimal:


            Now, sans Teix, I say just move Youkilis and Bay up to fourth and fifth, respectively, and place Mike Lowell in the sixth spot.

          • inman says:

            i really didnt think about their lineup and where they would hit- just thought you left out one of the most infamous bitches- the shortstop # 20. a big boston favorite.
            dont care much for the other team. and i really try not to worry about them. i’ll try to work on my sense of humor.

      • Moshe Mandel says:

        You also forgot, as Ben Folds once said, “blah blah blah, something intelligent and deep sounding blah blah.”

  72. BigBlueAL says:

    Donnie Walsh needs to hire Brian Cashman in time for the summer of 2010. You know for sure Cash would make sure the Knicks get Lebron and Bosh!!!!

  73. Lanny says:

    Has Pete Abe’s head exploded yet???

  74. Ryan S. says:

    Keith Law has a pretty decent review of our offseason:

    Give the Yankees credit: They’re not some nouveau riche team throwing their money around on whatever shiny baubles they come across in free agency. Signing three of the top four free agents on the market is a sign that they have excellent taste, even if they don’t seem to have a credit limit.

    This is really the point – we’re taking an advantage of an excellent free agent market at a time while we are flush with cash. We’re not going to need to splurge like this again for a long time.

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