Dec
16

Open Thread: Slow times for Yankees’ news

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The Yanks already made their big free agent splashes this offseason, so understandably things are kind of slow right now. There’s talk that the terms of the Mike Cameron deal have been agreed upon, but the Yanks are going to hold off on giving it green light for now. Manny Ramirez isn’t signing anytime soon, and Mark Teixeira is still picked between several nine-figure offers. I envy his situation.

So here’s your open thread on this slow night. You know how this goes, talk about whatever, just be nice to each other.

Site Note: The 2009 Draft Order Tracker has been updated now that the Raul Ibanez signing is official. If the Mariners fail to sign Josh Fields before the ’09 Draft, they’ll have three of the first 28 picks. With ex-Brewers’ Scouting Director Jack Zduriencik now at the helm, they can do some serious damage.

Update (7:05pm): Actually, something Yankees’ related did happen: Johnny Damon won This Year in Baseball’s Oddity Award. Congrats … I think.

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228 Comments»

  1. Paulie says:

    I really hope the Yankees make an offer to Teixeira that stands up to the other offers he has and will recieve.

  2. DP says:

    What are the chances that if they don’t get Tex, and the greasy one isn’t finding any suitable multiyear offers, that they bring back Giambi for a year?

  3. MP says:

    They really should at the very least make an offer. Doesn’t have to be the highest. Just make the man an offer. I think people want to play in the Bronx at the moment. If a bidding war gets underway, feel free to duck out. But just make an offer.

    • DP says:

      For all we know, they have.

      • Jake H says:

        I’m sure they offered a big contract as well. I’m really surprised that they weren’t aggressive with him really. That offensive isn’t going to be nearly as good next year.

        • Mike A. says:

          The offense will be fine. They have above avg players at every position but CF right now (assuming Swisher gets back those 50 extra OPS pts). There are plenty of teams that would love to be able to say that.

          • Lancer says:

            Isn’t that overly optimistic, Mike? The offense struggled immensely last year, and we’ve also taken Abreu and the Big G out of the mix.

            Needless to say, I’m very worried about the offense. Should’ve gone after Teix instead of the dumb AJ signing.

            • Mike Pop says:

              Im telling you right now that the AJ signing wont turn out to be a dumb one

              • Ivan says:

                Defending ya boy uh?

                • Jay CT says:

                  People will be eatting their words on Burnett. Yes, he may baby his arm. However, averaged 175 innings per season over the last 5 innings isn’t terrible.

              • Lancer says:

                I must not be privy to the info that you are.

                He’s 32, and getting a 5 year deal coming off a less than mediocre season. He has only started more than 30 games three times in his 10 year career – 2 of them being contract years.

                Marlins fans all say he has no heart.

                We could’ve signed Sheets or someone else to a 2 year deal for even $30 million, and used the extra $55 million to take us over the top with Teix.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  I think your going to see a different AJ thats all Im saying… Injuries might still be there but I think he will have that “heart”.. Remember midseason where he said it would be great to go to Chicago because they love baseball there.. Idk I just think he will win around 70 games for us.. Still alot of $$ for 70 wins but thats the type of market these days

                • Mike A. says:

                  Less than mediocre? He led league in strikeouts and was seventh with a 3.45 FIP while pitching in the AL East.

                  I agree that five years was two or three years too many, but say he was “less than mediocre” last year is just ignorant.

                • Ivan says:

                  I agree with ya no doubt but he’s a yankee whether ya like it or not.

                  Hey Im not Burnett fan period, but the dude has sick stuff and has the type of ability if he’s consistent and turns the corner can be a great pitcher potentially. The guy has one of the top 5 maybe 3 arms in baseball. Can’t take that awy from the dude.

                  Hopefully he turns the corner and can be healthy and be a huge impact player for the yanks in the future.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  Those 2 extra years is the sacrifice you have to make to upgrade the rotation though. Hopefully he makes them worth it.

                  The CC deal could look worse than AJ’s man ya never know, thats the risk you take

                • steve (different one) says:

                  He’s 32, and getting a 5 year deal coming off a less than mediocre season

                  wrong.

                • Lancer says:

                  If I recall correctly, his ERA was above 4.50 against teams other than the Yanks. We all know how bad the Yanks offense was last year, on a first hand basis. We made Nolan Ryan’s out of rookies, lefties and losers all year long. So it’s not unreasonable to somewhat attribute less to what his dominance against us.

                  Now I’m not saying that he doesn’t have great stuff. He does. It actually amazes me as to why he can’t be a superb pitcher after watching him closely. But the facts are that his stuff don’t always translate into exceptional performance. At 32 it’s not worth taking a chance either. Definitely not for 5 years.

                  Our more pressing need was to get a bat. With CC, Wang and Joba as our 1-2-3 we didn’t need a long-term mega contract.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  LAst year showed you can never have to much pitching

                • steve (different one) says:

                  Our more pressing need was to get a bat.

                  who said they won’t get a bat?

                  it might not be Teixeira, but that’s not because they signed Burnett.

                • Ivan says:

                  I agree, but this team still need pitching and filled two spots in the rotation. I wanted Sheets over Burnett but the yanks obviously though other wise.

                  Burnett, say what you will has the arm to be really good if not great. Plus, he did pitch well against the Sox and TB too you know.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  I am convinced they added Burnett for the postseason. They just think this guy could dominate 8 innings and then God could come in and finish it out against the Sox or Tampa if we face them. Obviously they love what he wwill do during the season but power pitching wins in the playoffs and that is exactly what Burnett is…

                • Jay CT says:

                  I would much rather have Manny or Dunn and Burnett over the next few seasons then Teixera for 8, 9 or 10. And you can argue that Burnett has quite possibly some of the best raw ability in the league, not to mention is already a battle tested AL East pitcher, so the transition shouldn’t be too difficult. Also, at the start of last season, he had a fingernail injury and his curveball wasn’t working, so that helped hurt his “less then mediocre” season

            • Mike A. says:

              They were third in the league in OBP and fifth in OPS last year. They lose Giambi and Abreu, but get a full season of Nady, Matsui & Posada back, and Nick Swisher.

              If they need a bat midseason, Cash will go get it. He’s proven to be extremely capable of doing that.

          • Jake K. says:

            We hope Cano will be above average. Same with Swisher. Posada will be above average when he’s on the field. But, for a catcher at his age it’s possible the decline could be fast and steep. Nady will likely be above average, but not necessarily by much. The Yanks didn’t get on base enough last year. Losing Giambi and Abreu may be enough to counteract improvements in this area by other players.

            • Mike Pop says:

              I think the offense will be okay but I hope we either make a trade for Cameron or another young bat for the outfield or 1b with Swisher playing the opposite of which we fill

            • Old Ranger says:

              If his arm is ok, he will be ok as a catcher. He was drafted as a 2nd basemen, didn’t start catching until the minors moved him. Therefore, he has less likelihood of falling off the cliff then some of the other catchers. Hopefully his arm comes around and he can be a help to the club for another few years. 27/09.

            • A.D. says:

              with the lack of production we got from the catcher last year it can be a pretty big fall off for Posada, and still be in improvement

            • Sweet Dick Willie says:

              Losing Giambi and Abreu may be enough to counteract improvements in this area by other players.

              2008, Giambi got on base at a .373 clip and Abreu was .371. Jorge and Matsui’s lifetime OBP? .380 and .371, respectively. Doesn’t appear the Yanks will be losing much there.

            • Chris says:

              The Yankes were 3rd in the AL in OBP last year. I don’t think OBP was the problem.

              They were, however, 11th in the AL in OBP with runners in scoring position (10th in BA, SLG and OPS). This should regress to the mean next year, and they should score more runs even if they don’t improve their overall numbers.

          • Ryan S. says:

            As much as I would like to see our team with Tex/Manny/Dunn in the lineup, I definitely think even without those guys we have a respectable offense. With the pitching we have, 850 runs could go a long way. Still, the extra 100 or more runs that someone like Manny or Dunn bring to the table is a very tempting thought, and there is way too much time in between now and ST for me to stop speculating … its too fun anyway.

          • Jake H says:

            I was actually referring to the Angels and not Yanks. I think that Yanks will be fine with or without Tex.

  4. gg says:

    i think we need manny in the heart of our lineup

    he is a better hitter than tex

    he also wont demand eight years at a position almost anyone can play greatly limiting roster flexibility

    • Brown44 says:

      Tex is the type of guy we need to anchor the infield for 8-10 yrs. He can hit like crazy, and is a team guy. I would rather see them spend on Tex and let Manny go back to LA.

      • Steve H says:

        Team guy or not, Manny has 2 rings, Tex has zero. I know Manny has been on better teams, but if you feel Manny is not a “team guy” it has no bearing on winning or losing baseball games. His teams have made the playoffs 10 times in 14 full seasons and are 13-8 in postseason series. The guy is a winner.

  5. Infamous says:

    I dont know about you but these rules that hockey changed make it alot more exciting to watch. If you havent you should give it a try

    GO DEVILS!

  6. Jake H says:

    Pete A has that C.C is in New York for his physical. I wonder if they announce it on Thursday at the Stadium

  7. Ivan says:

    Mike is right though,

    the offense for the most part will probably be okay. Yes you are asking for players like Cano and Posada to bounce back but nevertheless if they do (and I know they will) how many teams in the AL have a better offense?

    It’s funny cuz people keep saying it’s imperative to get another bat but yet our offense is betta than TB who won the division.

    People need to understand that it’s the end if the team can’t score 900+ runs in 09.

    • Steve says:

      Don’t forget Matsui, a healthy year from him will make a big difference as well.

      In mid season, you’ll often hear GM’s refer to guys they have coming off the DL as having the same effect as making a trade to help the team. From that perspective, the 2009 off season acquisitions for the Yanks are Posada, Matsui, Wang, Philip Hughes, Swisher, CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett.

      I’d say that should upgrade an 89 win team.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      how many teams in the AL have a better offense?

      Well, if Bahsten signs Tex, that would be at least one, and a damn important one at that.

    • Mike A. says:

      Amen. The cache of 1B/DH types need to be cleared out.

      • Ivan says:

        Also, that is you don’t sign Manny either.

        This team needs athletes, get younger and get better defensively. Manny fits none of these.

        • Ryan S. says:

          That article doesn’t even factor in Posada who might need to be our everyday 1B/DH as early as this year if he can’t handle being a catcher. Still, I think there is room to make for Manny as a DH and outfielder for the next 3 years (and if we can get him for 2, there is no doubt). While I absolutely agree with the Yank’s philosophy of getting younger and more athletic, Manny Ramirez is the exception to the rule.

          • Steve H says:

            I’m trying to remember when Cal Ripken moved off of 3rd? And Mike Schmidt? Brooks Robinson too?

            Why is everyone convince that A-Rod will need to move from 3rd? Older players can play 3rd, and A-Rod is more athletic and works harder than just about all of them. He won’t get fat and lazy with age, I see no reason why he won’t stick at 3rd.

            • Old Ranger says:

              You and I steve h…
              3rd and 1st are made for good players getting older, look at tino…he was 37 when he retired. Hernandez was what, 40? A-Rod (as you said) is and always in great shape. He could stay at 3rd for the duration. 27/09.

              • Mike Pop says:

                Agreed.. I hate when people say (writers) they are going to need 1b open for A-Rod once he hits 35 or so.. Thats such a joke

            • A.D. says:

              Many writers are taking it as a given, A-Rod made his switch to 3b early, if he was SS no one would be

              ZOMG A-ROD WILL BE A 1B IN NO TIME

              They’d be saying he needs to move to 3rd.

              Boggs, Matt Williams, Ripken, Schmidt all never moved off 3rd, why would A-Rod

              • Mike A. says:

                Ripken’s a bad example. He didn’t move to third until late in his career. Scott Rolen still hasn’t moved off third, and he’s a walking infirmary.

                • Steve H says:

                  In a way Ripken’s a great example though, because he moved from SS so late. If a 35 year old Ripken can handle short, I think a 35/36/37 year old A-Rod is more than capable of handling 3rd.

                • A.D. says:

                  well its a good example here because A-Rod moved to 3rd at the prime of his SS career. If A-Rod came up a 3B it would be different

          • Mike Pop says:

            Posada will not become our everyday 1b even if he couldnt catch. Im telling you he would just be a REALLY expensive bench bat. The guy is not a 1b and you can bet on him catching or DHing. If Dhing was the case he would not be in our everyday lineup.. Posada’s “situation” is overblown. The guy is going to catch alot of games and if the Yankees were not confident in that they would be looking at Salty or other available catchers -Varitek on the market

            • A.D. says:

              Likely what would happen is they’d just decrease time for Posada behind the plate, either more off days or more DH days.

              After all after next year (as it stands) the Yanks have no normal DH

    • Steve says:

      “The Yankees won’t do that, obviously. Jeter will probably get a 5 year / $125 million extension (or somewhere thereabout) at some point next winter.”

      Dear Lord, I hope not. Another 3 years for a 36 year old Jeter will be pushing it. And lets be honest, he’s not a 1B profile player.

      I think Jeter winds up in LF or 3B and A-Rod winds up at 1B.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      Jeter will probably get a 5 year / $125 million extension (or somewhere thereabout) at some point next winter.

      Is that guy on crack? I was thinking about this earlier in response to one of tsjc’s post, and I thought 5 @ $50, while obviously overpaying, would be about right. A much as I like him and appreciate what he’s accomplished as a Yankee, no effing way should Jetes be getting a raise after the 2010 season.

      • Chris says:

        Posada got a 4/$52 deal after his age 35 season, so there’s no way Jeter would get less. I expect Jeter to get somewhere between 4/$80 and 5/$125.

        As an aside, I noticed that Posada’s last contract (signed before 2002) had an opt-out clause after 2004.

        • Steve H says:

          What’s the market for Jeter going to be? That’s why he’s not getting anything near 4/80 or 5/125. No one else would be bidding anything near that. All else equal, Jeter will sign with NY. He will probably get $10 mil/year.

          • A.D. says:

            I dunno about as low as 10, but not 20 or 25. I’d guess 15-17.5.

            Big thing is if Jeter can stay league avg as SS

          • andrew says:

            If Pettitte doesn’t want to go from 16 to 10 million, what makes you think Jeter would want to go from 20 million to 10? That’s crazy. I agree with AD, I could see him getting a deal similar to Burnett’s.

            • Steve H says:

              So we should give him 5/82 when no other team would come anywhere near close to that? That’s crazy. Seriously, what other offers would he get as a 37 year old below average SS, who will probably still be a decent hitter, but not a slugger. Come on.

              • Sweet Dick Willie says:

                Really, it’s time the Yanks learned to stop bidding against themselves.

              • andrew says:

                I didn’t say he DESERVES a contract worth 17 million a year, nor did AD. What we did say is, 17million is probably what he will get. Yes, he probably deserves a deal worth less than the one Furcal just signed. Maybe 3 years/24 million. But we all know that is not going to happen.

  8. ortforshort says:

    Shouldn’t be a slow time for Yankee news. Their lineup is weak and needs improvement. They should be pursuing Teixeira vigorously as they don’t have a viable first baseman and desperately need a big bat in the middle of their lineup. They need a solid corner outfielder as Matsui’s health is a big question mark and whether Nady can sustain the performance of a career year is a smaller one. They don’t have centerfielder who can both hit and play “D” at a major league level and they have an old catcher coming off major shoulder surgery. They also don’t have a good reserve infielder and still haven’t filled the fifth starter slot in the rotation. It looks to me like there should be a lot of activity.

    • Old Ranger says:

      Not very optimistic are you?
      The line-up is just fine the way it is, could they use a good bat…yes! But, it isn’t a necessity, we have guys coming back in Posada, Matsui and a return of the real Cano. Swisher is a good “D” 1st baseman with a good history of hitting well. Nady can play up to last year, we’re set. And don’t underestimate Brett, he will come through.
      With the pitching we have, we don’t need 1000 runs to win the WS, or even to get there. 27/09.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      still haven’t filled the fifth starter slot in the rotation.

      Yeah, because if they wind up going with Hughes, IPK or Aceves, that would be so much worse than every other teams 5th starter.

    • Steve says:

      “they don’t have a viable first baseman and desperately need a big bat in the middle of their lineup”

      -They have a viable 1B in Swisher
      -They don’t “desperately” need a big bat

      Angels-10th in AL Runs Scored, Best Record in the AL (100-62)
      Rays-9th in AL Runs Scored, Second vest record in the AL (97-65)
      Red Sox-2nd in AL Runs Scored
      White Sox-5th in AL Runs Scored

      http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....8;type=reg

      So clearly, the teams that scored the most runs didn’t win the most games. Notice who was #1 in Runs Scored? The Rangers, a team that didn’t even make the playoffs.

  9. Jake K. says:

    I still think people are overrating the Yanks’ offense. If you were to do a draft using the Yankees and Red Sox rosters, based purely on offensive contributions (meaning not defense and position), Arod would go first, but then you’d probably take Bay, Drew, Youkilis, Pedroia and maybe Ortiz before you came back to the Yanks. I think the heart of their order is significantly stronger, not to mention younger.

    • Ivan says:

      If anything, the Yanks offense is underrated.

      Jeter is still a elite SS in baseball on offense
      A-Rod is the best player in baseball
      Posada when healthy is a 5 offensive catcher in baseball
      Cano despite the off year, when right is a top not 2baseman
      Swisher is a OBP machine despite a not high avg hitter
      Damon one of the better leadoff hitters in baseball
      Matsui is still a good hitter when healthy too.

      The offense is gonna be okay. Are they gonna score 900 runs? No, but they can certainly have the potential to put up some very good #’s on offense in 09.

      • Lancer says:

        Ivan, Jake makes an excellent point IMO. After A-Rod, who would you pick from the Yanks before picking Youk, Bay, Pedroia and Big Papi?

        • Mike Pop says:

          We have had better offenses then them over the years but you know what they had better pitching. Now we switch that around and maybe we come out on top. Pitching wins in the postseason not hitting. As Die-Hard Yankee fans we know that as we watch our pitchers die in the postseason year after year

        • Ivan says:

          iight Sox O is betta but it’s not as big of a margin as you think.

          I can see Cano match Pedroia. I’ll take Posada over Bay on offense.

          • Lancer says:

            As much as it may bother me to say it, Cano is no match for Pedroia right now. Hopefully Robbie will have a comeback year, but Pedroia was downright impossible to get out last year.

            • Mike Pop says:

              He hit 1,000 ?
              j/k

              The thing with Cano (has been said on here many times) he has more upside than that of Pedroia. Cano is just as talented if not more and he still has hair ! But in all seriousness Cano should prove alot of doubters wrong next year

            • Ivan says:

              Pedroia had a career year and probably won’t neva be as good as he was in 08.

              If anything the most valuable Sox was Youkilis. I admit Youkilis is a terrific player no doubt.

            • Old Ranger says:

              Ever hear of Norm Cash? He was a 1st baseman for the Tigers (back a few years) he hit .356 (i think) and beat out Mickey for a 2nd triple crown, he never hit over .300 again (I believe). If this is Pedroias’ crowning year, he will come down to earth again, just like many before him have. The league catches up to you sooner or later…unless you are Ted W, Joe D etc. 27/09.

          • andrew says:

            Posada over Bay?

            Posada .277/.380 /.477
            37 years old coming off major surgery.

            Bay .282 /.375/ .516
            30 years old, never been hurt, more power.

            The actual statistics may be close, with Bay having a slight edge, but you also have to keep in mind that Bay is in his prime while Posada is on his way out.

      • Mike Pop says:

        Hopefully we get good contract years out of Nady, Damon, and (cross my fingers) Matsui…. Im more worried about the offense next season then I am this season. Thats why I would want Tex or Manny right now. Dunn is good but Holliday will be there next season. But there isn’t a Tex or Manny next offseason.

      • Jake K. says:

        But look how many “ifs” and qualifiers are in there.

        Jeter had an OPS+ of 102 last year. He very well could bounce back, but at 35 there’s no guarantee he will.

        It seems silly to argue Arod’s greatness (he obviously is), but Pujols says hi.

        Why should we assume Posada will be healthy all year? And his replacement is an offensive black hole.

        Cano is productive when he’s hot, but his utter lack of walks and limited power make him poison when he’s not.

        Swisher’s is great at drawing walks, but he’s not an OBP machine because of his low BA. His OBP was .332 last year. It’s .354 for his career. Well higher than his BA, but also decidedly average.

        Damon had a great year in 2008. But we can’t expect him to duplicate his career best year at age 35. You have to figure he is due to regress a bit next year.

        Matsui’s knees remain a question mark.

        I’m not saying their offense is bad. But it’s not elite and more of their players are trending in the wrong direction than the right one.

      • A.D. says:

        The rays were 9 out of 14 in runs scored…. you don’t need to straight mash to get to the WS

    • Lancer says:

      I don’t know about Drew, but I agree with you for the most part. Very good point.

      I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not at all confident with the offense we’re ready to put on the field at this point.

      • Jake K. says:

        I know he has a bad rap, but Drew has a career OPS+ of 129 (137 last year).

        • Lancer says:

          Yeah, but I’d probably take Matsui, Jeter, Cano and Nady before him.

        • Steve H says:

          He puts up that ops+ in about 100 games a year though. That’s where the bad rap comes from. He makes Burnett look like Cal Ripken.

          • Jake K. says:

            Well, you’re right, he only played 109 games last year. But he played at least 140 in three of the previous four years.

            • Steve H says:

              And had seasons of 74, 100, 135, 109, etc. So for a great part of most of Drew’s seasons, he’s being replaced by a bench player, who undoubtedly is putting up a worse ops+ than Drew. I would like to see the ops+ by the position that Drew played for all of these years, because you have to take into effect he will be missing several games a year. At 33 years old, his career high for games played is 146 (in a contract year) and his second highest is 145 (in a contract year). He’s not going to get any healthier, that’s for sure.

      • Ivan says:

        iight sox have better hitters.

        Nevertheless, the yanks have an edge on them on pitching in both starting and BP.

        • Steve H says:

          And the Sox have two titles to our zero lately with better pitching, so I’d rather have great pitching than bash our way to 1000 runs and have to run slop out there to get crushed in the 1st round of the playoffs.

          • Lancer says:

            No one says we don’t need pitching, in fact we already had CC, Wang and Joba as out top 3. If you’re implying that you’d rather spend money on Burnett than go after a top bat, I’d have to disagree with you. It’s the top 3 that’ll make the difference come playoff time. That’s besides for the fact that I’m not too high on AJ to begin with.

            • Mike Pop says:

              Ya a top 3 isnt enough. You need 5 pitchers man. Would I of rather brought back Pettite and have Hughes go for the 5 if it meant getting Tex..Probably but that rotation is not good enough for us in the AL East. We would be in contention but the focus was pitching this year and that is where it should be. Much easier to trade for a bat then it is for a pitcher.

            • Bill says:

              exactly, you gotta look at the american league east there hitters are scary, it doesnt matter if your guna score 10 runs in a game if tehre guna hit 11

        • Jake K. says:

          I’m not convinced the Yanks have the edge in either department. I think the rotations are a toss up. And there is huge potential in the Yanks pen, but other than Mo it has a lot to prove.

    • Ryan S. says:

      My problem with the current offense are that there are a few big “ifs”, as Jake (I think) mentioned a little bit ago.

      IF Robinson Cano can live up to his potential
      IF Hideki Matsui’s knees are healthy
      IF Jorge Posada’s shoulder is healthy
      IF Nick Swisher bounces back from his bad year
      IF can get a centerfielder who can contribute to the offense

      Then yeah, our offense will kick some major ass. Chances are, some of these questions will have positive outcomes, and some of them will not. We can overcome one or two of these issues, if they really are issues to begin with, but it also makes us more vulnerable offensively than a contending team should be.

      • Mike A. says:

        You can say that about every team though.

        IF Pedroia hits like he did last year.
        IF Youkilis hits like he did last year.
        IF Ortiz is healthy.
        IF Lowell is healthy.
        IF Drew stays healthy.
        IF Ellsbury learns how not to suck.
        IF Lowrie doesn’t run into a sophomore slump.
        IF they find a decent catcher.

        • Ryan S. says:

          That makes me feel a little bit better actually, thanks lol.

          The fact of the matter is, if we could’ve hit with RISP, we would’ve won a ton more games. Our offense sucked due to a lack of timely hitting.

        • Nickel says:

          What about also a full season of Ortiz not having Manny hitting behind him? Jason Bay’s really good but I just don’t think he brings the same intimidation factor.

          • Mike Pop says:

            Does Texieria even bring the intimidation factor that Manny brought ? Thats the only reason I am not so worried if/when the Sox sign Tex.. Hes not Manny after all and I dont think there is any way he could crush us like Manny did lol

            • Nickel says:

              Maybe not in of himself, but you have to admit a 3-4-5 combination of Ortiz-Bay-Texiera would be somewhat daunting.

              • A.D. says:

                Doubt CC gives a fuck, dude is gangster

                but I hear what you’re saying

              • Steve H says:

                Somewhat is a good word. It’s a 2009 Ortiz, which no one knows how successful he’ll be. He’ll never be the 2004-2006 guy again. Jason Bay has never really inspired fear in anyone, though he’s a good hitter, but not great. Tex, very very good. Much less daunting on the road though. And he’s sucked at Fenway in his career, though admittedly not a huge sample size (18 games) and the Sox pitching has been good.

        • Steve H says:

          Pedroia and Youk likely peaked last season. They may match those numbers again, but will probably never exceed them, and will could regress. If Ortiz is healthy, he’s still not the 2004-2006 Ortiz. He’s past his prime, and has a body type that usually leads to steep decline, which probably started last year. How hurt was he last year? I don’t know, but there are hundreds of players who play thru injuries every year, yet don’t make excuses the way Ortiz did. He also used not having Manny’s protection as an excuse. I think he even knows the decline. Derek Jeter’s wrist injury, while a shorter time frame, likely had as much or more and effect on him as the season wore on, but he never said a peep. Lowell is also past his prime, and in his last 4 years has had one very good year, 2 just above average years, and 1 horrible year. As he gets older, he’s very unlikely to repeat his best year out of the last 4. Drew doesn’t stay healthy. Ever. Ellsbury’s obviously a wild card, he’s 25 with 670 ab’s, so he’s either going to improve or put up an 87 ops+, which doesn’t scare anyone. Lowrie like many young hitters got off to a very hot start, and once the pitchers had seen him a few times, was horrible down the stretch with a .646 ops in September. He’s a complete unknown and even if he peaks he will never be a great hitter. Let’s just hope they find the same catcher, because he sucks.

        • Ivan says:

          “IF Ellsbury learns how not to suck.”

          I bustin out laughing when I read that part.

        • A.D. says:

          Same with the Rays pen & hitting

          IF Kazmir is healthy
          IF David Price doesn’t struggle
          IF Garza has no effects off his first full season
          IF the bullpen holds it together again

          IF BJ Upton rebounds
          IF Longoria doesn’t have a soph slump
          IF Carl Crawford stays healthy
          IF Dioner Navarro is all-star caliber again
          IF they can get a DH

          Everyone has a shitload of ifs, and IFs are better than gaping holes, which the Yanks no longer have.

          • Steve H says:

            Everyone has a shitload of ifs, and IFs are better than gaping holes, which the Yanks no longer have.

            That’s called hitting the nail on the head.

        • Jake K. says:

          Look at the respective lineups and tell me which you would choose (last season’s OPS+, age):

          Damon (118, 34)
          Jeter (102, 34)
          Matsui (108, 34)
          Arod (150, 32)
          Posada (103, 36)
          Nady (128, 29)
          Cano (86, 25)
          Swisher (92, 27)
          Gardner (53, 24)

          Avg. OPS+ = 104. Avg. age = 30.5

          Pedroia (122, 24)
          Youkilis (143, 29)
          Ortiz (123, 32)
          Bay (134, 29)
          Drew (137, 32)
          Lowell (103, 34)
          Ellsbury (87, 24)
          Lowrie (90, 24)
          Varitek (73, 36)

          Avg. OPS+ = 112. Avg. age = 29

          It seems pretty obvious to me that Sox lineup is better and that their key bats are younger and under team control for more years. If the Yanks signed Tex it would do a lot to even that out. If the Sox sign Tex, it widens the gap and for several years.

          • Steve H says:

            It was better, and with no more changes will likely be better in 2009.. Just like the Yankees bats were better from 2001-2007. The Sox won two titles, the Yankees zero. The Yankees bullpen is better, and their starters are probably a tossup.

            As an aside, pretty funny that Pedroia wins an MVP with a 122 ops+, while Cano has had seasons of 120 and 126 in 2 of the last 3 years with comparable HR #’s.

          • Sweet Dick Willie says:

            It seems pretty obvious to me that Sox lineup is better

            A couple of problems. One, by using 2008 OPS+, you’re assuming that Posada and Matsui don’t rebound and that Pedroia and Youk duplicate their 2008. Two, Drew achieved his 137 in only 109 games. To be fair, you should have averaged in his replacement’s OPS+ for the other 53 games.

            Take those items into consideration, and I don’t think that it is obvious at all the their line up is better.

  10. E-ROC says:

    This article is a bit old, but Kyle think Strasburg delivery is very similar to Prior? That can’t be a good thing.

    http://www.drivelinemechanics......en-strasbu

  11. Mike Pop says:

    We gotta bring Donnie Mattingly in to manage so that for Tex it would be a dream come true..haha

  12. Mike Pop says:

    Alot of you fans are saying we should be looking at Tex more rigorously. But then if we signed him and did not improve our pitching staff you would be saying we have alot of doubts in our rotation and all.. W.e we do it would just be vice versa for you.

    Bottom line is –What was going to put us in better position this offseason ? Adding Pitching or Hitting.. Pitching is the obvious choice. We are better off where we are right now with what we did than we would be if we added bats.

    • Steve H says:

      Agreed. And I’d love to see Tex, but I don’t know that it’s reasonable. Dunn or Manny on 2 or 3 year deals would be great in my mind. With strong pitching in the minors and a lack of position players, at the very least signing free agent pitchers gives us an opportunity to trade those guys for comparable young position players either now later, or never. With the lack of hitting prospects in the minors, I really think by signing major league free agent pitchers, it gives us a better chance of picking up a young OF/1B, etc. for some of the young pitching depth we have.

    • Ryan S. says:

      Coming into the offseason with Moose going away, there was no doubt our biggest need was pitching. I think the question is, after you’ve signed your #1 target, CC Sabathia, why not go for Tex after that? That way we’d get the best pitcher and the best hitter in the league, and then get a guy like Sheets and use a prospect for the final spot.

      I’m not saying I necessarily agree with that…I actually like Burnett quite a bit on a short term outlook. We’re trying to win NOW, and the Braves would’ve snagged him if we didn’t top them. Now our pitching is unquestionably dominant and we’re still looking good enough offensively, with opportunities to improve it still available.

      • Mike Pop says:

        We didnt go after Tex right after because in the end pitching was our number 1 need..

        I would of loved Tex but in the end he was just a luxury for Cashman and the Gang I guess

  13. Bruno says:

    What if Jorge CAN’T catch? Molina / Cervelli?!? OUCH!

  14. VO says:

    What do you think it would take to get David Dejesus?

  15. Ivan says:

    So guys, where will Tex be going?

  16. Dan says:

    Try this. right on and a little profane for variety.

    http://lsos1.blogspot.com/

  17. Ryan S. says:

    Let’s question the Rays now!

    Can they handle the pressure of being the reigning AL Champions?

    Does Kazmir stop being reliable?

    Which BJ Upton shows up? – the mediocre 2008 regular season one, or the record breaking 2008 playoff one?

    Does Longoria suffer a sophomore slump (I would say unlikely)

    DO THEY HAVE A FREAKING CLOSER?

    what else?

    • A.D. says:

      I had posted this above

      F Kazmir is healthy
      IF David Price doesn’t struggle
      IF Garza has no effects off his first full season
      IF Howell is one of the best lefties in the game
      IF Balfour can have a sub 2.00 ERA
      IF Percival can stay healthy & effective
      IF Chad Bradford can have a sub 2.00 ERA

      IF BJ Upton rebounds
      IF Longoria doesn’t have a soph slump
      IF Carl Crawford stays healthy
      IF Dioner Navarro is all-star caliber again
      IF they can get a DH
      IF Gabe Gross hits a walk off home run every night (it seemed like he did last year)

      • Ryan S. says:

        I’d say the Rays are in trouble. Especially if they can’t get a real closer.

        • Matt says:

          I don’t think that’s as much of a problem as it would seem.

          • Ryan S. says:

            In this market, you’re probably right. Maybe we’re lucky and it turns out they just have a thing for washed up old closers and they sign Hoffman.

            • Matt says:

              I think Hoffman wouldn’t be a bad acquisition for them. If they want to “splurge” a bit, the Big-G and T-Hoff (looks like my boy Rutger Hauer) would be good veteran pick ups for the Rays.

              • Ryan S. says:

                I just looked up his stats… his home/away splits aren’t as bad as I thought they’d be. Still, he’d be going from the weakest division to the strongest. He’d be better than Percival obviously, but I still wouldn’t be too afraid of him.

                I do think either The Giambino or Abreu would be really good fits for the Rays though … I’m hoping both of them stay out of the AL East.

                • Matt says:

                  If he signs w/an AL team, do you think Giambi will get a good reception back at the Stadium? I hope he does; I know I’d give him a big hand if I happened to be in attendance.

                • Mike A. says:

                  I will stand and cheer him like he just hit a walk-off grand slam. He was a great player for the Yanks for a long time.

                • Ryan S. says:

                  Oh I would think he does, I definitely wish the best for him. I just don’t want him abusing the short porch if he’s not on our side. He’d still get quite a few chances to feast on that thing if he was with the Rays.

            • A.D. says:

              They should trade for Street or Capps if they’re serious about a closer

        • A.D. says:

          realistically if they pen blows they can look to bring Davis & Neimann up and put them in set up roles to try and bridge the gap

    • Matt says:

      Well, they outplayed their Pythag Record by five games, so a correction could occur there.

      • A.D. says:

        if they overplayed their Pythag… and their pen goes back to reality… thats not good for business

        • Matt says:

          Both Seattle and Arizona outplayed their Pythags by a lot in 07 and had big drops in 08. The same could happen for Tampa. The Angels outplayed theirs by 12 games this year, by 4 games in 07, 5 games in 06…they’re due for a correction, but at the same time, in a division that weak, it doesn’t seem to matter.

  18. Will says:

    In other yankee news, Toyota and Audi will be the new sponsors.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3774044

  19. VO says:

    what about ross gload?

  20. Steve says:

    Homer Bailey, anyone?

    “It was reported over the weekend that the Reds had traded 22-year old Homer Bailey to the White Sox for Jermaine Dye. That report was later shot down. However, this rumor got us thinking. Are the Reds indeed dangling Bailey for a outfield bat?

    So why are we even talking about this? Because like Phil Hughes, we’re not ready to give up on a 22-year old who once possessed #1 starter potential. And if the Reds are willing to trade him for an outfield bat, we could bite.

    Trade scenario #1
    Matsui straight up for Bailey, provided the Yankees sign Adam Dunn to DH.

    Trade scenario #2
    Nady + (insert reliever here) for Bailey, provided that the Yankees sign Adam Dunn to play 1B and then move Swisher to RF.”

    http://www.nomaas.org/

    I don’t like any of the NoMaas proposals, and I don’t want Adam Dunn. But a high upside arm like his that is available for an OF bat has to get your attention.

    I think Damon+ would make the most sense (Matsui plays LF) but you’d have to pick up some of his salary or take some back in a deal. Matsui isn’t tradeable coming off knee surgery, and Nady is too important in RF.

    • Steve says:

      You can draw up scenarios where dealing Nady would work, where you either re-sign Abreu to play RF or move Swisher to Right and sign a 1B.

      • Matt says:

        Getting Adam Dunn would be much better than getting Bobby Abreu. Not only is he cheaper, he’s not on the decline and is entering his age 29 season. Dunn for the next three years will be much, much more productive than Bobby Abreu will.

        Why no love for Dunn?

        • Steve says:

          Do you agree that pitchers who miss bats are more valuable than pitchers who dont? Most people would agree with that.

          Conversely, hitters who fail to make contact (strikeout) are less valuable than ones that do.

          • Matt says:

            But Dunn completely negates that by getting on base at a fantastic clip. He’s had at least 100 walks in 6/8 professional seasons.

            Other Yankees who fail to make contact a lot in 2008:
            Alex Rodriguez
            Jason Giambi
            Bobby Abreu

            Those three were arguably the Yankees three most productive hitters of the 2008 season.

            Dunn doesn’t miss the ball because he’s not skilled or because he’s over matched. He, like those three other guys–throw Nick Swisher in this category, too–strikes out a lot because he goes deep into counts by seeing a lot of pitches, which often means having two strikes on him.

            • Steve says:

              Strikeouts the past 5 seasons

              A-Rod-117-120-139-139-131
              Abreu-109-115-138-134-116
              Giambi-111-66-106-109-62
              Dunn-164-165-194-168-195

              Giambi is the only one who missed significant time, but as the other years show his SO per AB is far lower than Dunn.

              • Steve H says:

                Conversely, hitters who fail to make contact (strikeout) are less valuable than ones that do.

                Hitters who make outs at a low rate are more valuable than those who don’t. Adam Dunn makes less outs than the majority of MLB players.

                Juan Pierre never strikes out, and hits for a high average. Does that make him more valuable than Adam Dunn? Per your statement it does, and it couldn’t be more wrong.

                • Mike A. says:

                  But at the same time, if a pitcher doesn’t strike anyone out but doesn’t walk anyone either, it’s an acceptable trade off. Same with hitters who strike out and draw a ton of walks.

                  You take the good with the bad, no one’s perfect. Hitters that make fewer outs than other hitters are better players, regardless of how they make those outs.

              • Steve H says:

                Ryan Howard- 100-181-199-199.

                100-Rookie of the Year
                181-MVP
                199-5th place MVP
                199-MVP Runner Up

                • Matt says:

                  Alright since I mentioned him in a prior post, what does everyone think of Fred McGriff for the HOF? Should he? Will he? Etc.

                • Mike A. says:

                  If Jim Rice gets in, McGriff should go in on the first ballot. Ultimately, I say no though. Hall of Really Freaking Good, but not quite HOF.

                  I’m in favor of a smaller HOF.

                • Ryan S. says:

                  McGriff is borderline, but not quite there IMHO.

                • Steve H says:

                  Will he? I doubt it. Should he? Absolutely. Had he stuck around for 8 more HR’s, he’d be at a likely clean (he had to be clean, he was the Crime Dog) 500. Career ops+ of 134, and over a 16 year stretch fell below 110 once. OPS+ was also artificially inflated during his time by steroids, as the users set the league average bar higher. He was never considered “great” but maybe that’s because a ton of his comtemporaries at 1B were juicing. McGwire, Palmeiro, Mo Vaughn, Bagwell. He was extremely consistent, a great glove at first. His best MVP finish was 4th, behind 2 juicers (though Bonds at the time was probably clean).

                • Mike Pop says:

                  Was sad that noone gave him a shot for those last 8 home runs

                • Matt says:

                  Much love for the Crime Dog.

                  He’s really in a lose/lose situation. He didn’t stick around long enough to get a “magic” number so he’ll be punished for that. Yet, if he did stick around, people would say he was just holding on so he could get the milestone–funny how the same thing won’t be said for Biggio. But I’ll save that rant for another day.

              • Matt says:

                Average walks per 162 game season (comparing the last few years isn’t fair to Giambi because of injuries):

                Adam Dunn: 114
                Jason Giambi: 106

                Dunn has a career OBP of .381. It’s not like he’s Dave Kingman over here, where it’s either homer or strikeout. Dunn walks. A lot. If he were hitting in front of Rodriguez, he’d see a good amount of great pitches to hit and he’d add 100+ walks in front of A-Rod giving him ample RBI opportunities, especially with Damon and Jeter in front of Dunn.

              • Steve H says:

                One more for kicks

                Jim Thome 1999-2003
                K’s OPS+
                171 141
                171 132
                185 170
                139 197
                182 154

          • Matt says:

            Let’s also not forget about some of history’s best fail to make contacters (number is rank on all time K list):

            1. Reggie Jackson
            2. Sammy Sosa
            4. Jim Thome
            6. Willie Stargell
            7. Mike Schmidt
            8. Fred McGriff
            16. Mickey Mantle
            17. Harmon Killebrew
            20. Rickey Henderson
            21. Dave Winfield
            22. Ken Griffey, Jr.
            24. Manny Ramirez
            26. Alex Rodriguez
            35. Barry Bonds

            Yeah, people who miss the ball a lot are definitely not as valuable. My bad.

            • Mike Pop says:

              The Mick !!!

              I remember Old Ranger mentioned A-Jax and the Mick in the same sentence and people freaked lol… All he said was they both K alot and people were like…. HOW THE FU** ARE YOU COMPARING AJAX TO MICKEY MANTLE

          • A.D. says:

            Well only if they have a similar career ERA & will give me innings, etc.

            Thats the same with Dunn

            Yes I would take a player that strikes out less that can put up a similar OPS, but that isn’t necessarily available, especially when you throw in the contract & where said player is in his career.

            So yes Dunn is less valuable then players that produce more than him. However thats not many people, and when you throw in contract demands, sign ability, and about to hit prime, its a lot different

    • Matt says:

      I could get on board with everything they said.

      Adam Dunn would be a great acquisition for the Yankees–a patient, power hitter, entering his age 29 season? Yes please!

      Bailey’s drop in velocity is a little troubling but he could still turn into something. If it helps getting rid of Matsui or Nady and a reliever (hopefully they’d bite on Veras or maybe Edwar?–even though I like Edwar), then I’m all for it.

      • Steve says:

        Given that we have two LF, acquiring a high upside arm for a position of excess is worthwhile. But it would leave us w/o an everyday DH. That’s not necessarily bad, Girardi likes rotating the DH spot to give his regulars some rest, and it would keep the bench guys involved.

        This is where signing a 1B would makes sense. Swisher plays all over the place and whoever plays 1B, LF, RF gets to rotate in the DH spot.

        • Matt says:

          Well, if Matsui leaves, Dunn is easily available to DH while Gardner plays CF and Damon stays in left, with Nady in right. Or, if you trade Nady, Dunn could play out in right, Damon in left, and Matstui could DH. On days that Girardi wanted to give Damon a rest, Dunn could go out to left, Damon could DH, and Matsui could have a day off.

        • A.D. says:

          Miranda can get time at 1B & Dh, he has mashed righties in his minor league career

    • A.D. says:

      Why would it be Matsui straight up or Nady +

      The deal I heard was Dye + some money for Bailey + a minor leaguer (this might have been changed)

      Nady had a better year than Dye last year, and they aren’t that different on OPS + for their career. Nady is a much better fielder than Dye, and makes about half. They’re both FA at the end of the season, and both should warrant A type status

      Basically the Yankees should definitely be able to trade Nady for Bailey straight up if not Bailey +, if the only problem was the cash

      • Steve says:

        Nady made 3.5 last year, so the money would be a match. You might even get another player back, since Nady produces for so little cash.

        Dealing Nady would mean they bring back Abreu for 2 years. I don’t see it happening, the Yanks like Nady and wanted to move on from Bobby.

      • A.D. says:

        additionally the Reds aren’t going to trade for Matsui or Damon.

        They want a middle of the order bat to play RF… something Matsui & Damon are not… let alone the reality that Matsui cannot can’t really play the outfield everyday, and I don’t see either waving their NTC to go to Cinci

    • Ryan S. says:

      I’d go for either trade scenario, you’re improving yourself in all ways since Dunn is a healthier, more dependable hitter and doesn’t put a lock on your DH spot like Matsui does. Since Dunn can play corner OF or 1B, you have flexibility. Damon and Posada could be DH way more. Its almost worth it just as an excuse to get Dunn. Then you get a former top 10 prospect to boot, who is still only 22?

      WELL. nomaas does have a good idea every once in a while.

    • Sweet Dick Willie says:

      Both of those trade proposals are idiotic, but considering the source, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

      It is hilarious how so many Yankee fans are concerned that Matsui might not come back from his knee surgeries, but think that a NATIONAL LEAGUE GM would be willing to take on his $13 mil salary, AND give up a former #1 draft pick. Man, that must be some good weed nomaas is smoking.

      #2 is equally dumb. Cashman just traded his #2 position prospect for Nady, so he must think pretty highly of him, probably too high to trade him for a 22 year old who used to throw mid-90s, but lately has trouble hitting 90.

      A good rule of thumb – before making a trade proposal, ask yourself if you were the other GM, would you make the trade. Or, if you were a fan of the other team, would you propose the same trade. Gotta be win-win people.

      • Steve H says:

        To be fair, in the Nady trade he also got Marte, who he wanted for years, and clearly valued by signing to a 3 year/$12mil contract. But otherwise spot on, especially the part about being the other GM. You could even stretch that to fan of the other team. Cincy is going nowhere, what use would they have for Bailey, who they would be trading at his absolute lowest value. That’d be like a fan of another team suggesting they could trade us an injured, broken down 3B for Hughes when his era was 8. Hughes>Bailey, but at one point they were pretty comparable. Cincy gains nothing by selling low on him to pick up a high salaried player who will lead them to 4th place. If healthy.

    • Mike A. says:

      I wouldn’t touch Bailey right now, definitely not at that price. He went from sitting 95-97 to topping out at 87-89. Scouts have been saying he just doesn’t look right for a year now. There’s definitely something going on there, and it’s not good.

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