Pettitte offer still on the table

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Should the Yankees be satisfied with their fifth starter competition?

In the ongoing Andy Pettitte saga, Anthony McCarron says the Yanks’ one-year, $10-million is still on the table, but Yankee officials don’t seem confident that Pettitte will return to the Bronx. McCarron’s sources put the lefty’s return at 55-45 against, and the team is fully prepared to hand over the final rotation spot to Phil Hughes. The clock is ticking on Pettitte, and I wouldn’t be surprised at either outcome of this saga.

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Should the Yankees be satisfied with their fifth starter competition?
  • Ryan S.

    Are they really going to just give the fifth spot to Hughes? Why not a ST battle royale between Hughes/IPK/Aceves/Wright?

  • Paulie

    I’m up in the air on this. I really want Hughes to be in the rotation for all of the year if he is healthy, what is the worst that that can happen. However, I don’t know how many innings Hughes can give us while with Pettitte we pretty much know we will get 200+ innings.

  • Bruno

    Why not split the difference with Pettite? $13m

    • Steve H

      Because he’s not worth that much, and he can’t get it somewhere else. $10 million is pretty generous based on the way he ended last year.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        If you think the Yanks are getting creamed for their spending, you should see what would happen if they gave Pettitte $13 million before any of the younger free agent pitchers sign. I could see him getting $13 million at the end of next month after Wolf, Penny, Lowe and Perez sign, but not before. It would screw the market to no end and would probably be the most fiscally irresponsible move the Yanks could make this winter.

        • http://www.ilikemygirls.com Billy Beane

          +1

          exactly.

  • Jay CT

    I think this is all information the Yankees want out there. Pettitte will return

  • Old Ranger

    Be nice to have him for 2009, just for the stability factor alone. If he retires, so be it, (as you stated) Phil will do the job, just fine. Joba, Phil have inning limits so we will also be able to break in one of the other guys…one of many. 27/09.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Hughes threw enough in 2006 that he may not be at an innings limit. The Yanks haven’t said anything about that yet.

      • Old Ranger

        Better yet…
        I had forgotten all the winter pitching. Thank you for bringing that up. 27/09.

      • Ryan S.

        If Hughes doesn’t have an innings limit, or even if its at something around 175, I would be more open to the idea of just giving the role to him (no battle royal necessary). If we’re considering Hughes to replace Pettitte, a big innings eater, that does seems to imply that Hughes is in good enough to condition to carry a full season’s workload.

  • Baseball Official Familiar With Yankees’ Plans

    All right, it’s official. Andy Pettitte will not be returning to the New York Yankees in ’09. They have great respect for him, but they are ready to move on.

    Phil Hughes will be the fourth starter only until the Yankees’ actual plan takes affect, projected to be at or before the July 31 Trading Deadline.

    The fourth starter, according to the plans with which I am familiar, will be a genetic hybrid of Ian Patrick Kennedy and Andrew Brackman, as each pitcher has what the other lacks, a surgical-genetic recombination of the two pitchers seems the best course for the organization to take.

    The new pitcher Drewtrick Brackkedy, will be 6’6, 225 lbs. He has a four-seam fastball that ranges from 94-99, a hammer-like knuckle curve, a developing slider, and a devastating change-up, all thrown with immaculate control.

    The best part is, he is under team control for 12 years, rather than the proscribed 6, he is officially team property, as they will create him, and he feeds on incompetant BBWAA “journalists”

    • 27 this year

      very creative…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      Is America ready for the first cannibal baseball player? I’m skeptical.

  • Mike Pop

    If Pettitte doesnt come back, what about going after Penny on a 1 year deal ? Probably be pretty cheap. Just a high reward kind of guy. Maybe an incentive laden deal. As we all know you can never have to much pitching.

    • andrew

      He has a career ERA of 4 in the NL and made $9 million last year. True, you can never have too much pitching, but I’d rather take a guy who is an AL proven innings eater. Maybe a Livan Hernadezesque pitcher at <5million. Who knows though.
      At the end of the day, I much rather have Hughes out there putting up league average numbers and developing than paying that much for a 5 starter.

      • andrew

        ps. Hughes will still be 22 on opening day!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

        • Mike Pop

          You really just said you would take Livan over Penny. Come on now.

          • andrew

            I don’t want either. I’d prefer Hughes. But if it came down to Livan for $4 million or penny for $9 million, yes, I’d take Livan. But I made sure to say Hernandezesque, I meant basically any guy who will give you 200 innings for under 5 million dollars would be a better deal than Penny.

            • Jay CT

              Andrew- You are usually one of the more intellegent posters on here. Please, PLEASE tell me that was the egg nog talking. Are you fricken serious? LIVAN HERNANDEZ??? That is a horrible idea, and although I don’t like Penny, I would take Penny every time over Livan

  • Moose

    Dont worry about it guys. Let Andy go to LA and give Hughes the innings. If it doesnt work out give me a call in June.

  • That guy

    So what do we do if Burnett goes down and we have no Pettitte? CC Wang Hughes Kennedy Joba? Seems familiar…

    • Mike Pop

      You had to be that guy didnt ya

      • That guy

        Yeah :o Its a realistic possibility. I think another innings eater is a must. Pettitte is essentially filling the same role last year. If someone goes down, we have to rely on them (the “rookies”)again to hold us up.

    • 27 this year

      good point. I think the Yanks need to sign someone or have more guys like Mitre just in case.

    • Old Ranger

      They are all a year older and wiser…let alone the fact they are better pitchers then last year. They’ll be fine, you worry to much. 27/09.

  • NY Yankee Fan

    The Moose comment gave me a a thought. Does anyone know how the Type A market works in terms of after the season starts? I understand that we are limited to the number of Type A freeagents based upon the number we loose. Loosing Jason, Bobby, Andy and Moose allowed us to sign CC, AJ and Tex with out slot remaining. As I understand it, if we sign Andy back, we cannot sign another Type A free agent. How does this work during the year, if at all? For instance, say we do not sign Andy, but sign some other Type A. AJ goes down and we want Andy or Moose (assuming for the sake of argument that either is willing to make a Roger type of return).

    Can we?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      If you lose more than three, you can replace all of the ones you’ve lost. Resigning your own players does not count against that number.

      • NY Yankee Fan

        Ben, thanks. In other words, if we sign another Type A free agent this year, we cannot sign Andy? Do you know whether this applies after the start of the season? Are the rules so black and white that a Type A free agent can end up missing the season if the only team that wants to sign him already has reached its limit on Type A signings?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          No. You can always re-sign your own Type A free agents and it doesn’t count against your total.

          • NY Yankee Fan

            I am havina hard time with the math. We have signed three Type A free agents, which I understand is the limit. If we sign another, it is only because we lost 4 free agents (Jason, Bobby, Moose and Andy). If we go ahead and sign another Type A free agent (e.g. using the benefit of having lost Andy), how do we at any time thereafter re-sign Andy? Are we not at this point in time facing the choice of resigning Andy or another Type A (if we wanted to do so), but not both?

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

              If we sign another Type A free agent, they can’t sign Andy Pettitte.

              • Sweet Dick Willie

                I’m confused. I thought we could always re-sign our own free agents.

                Last year we re-signed Mo, Po & Alex (our own) and still signed Hawkins & Molina.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

                  But if Andy re-signs after the Yanks sign another Type A free agent, they will have signed four Type A’s while losing only three. That’s not ok.

                  Every year, you can sign a certain number of Type A’s no matter what.

                • daneptizl

                  Which 3 would the Yanks be losing? Moose, Abreu and ?….

                • NY Yankee Fan

                  Your missing Jason from the list (and perhaps Andy depending on if he comes back or not)

                  I am wondering why the cap on free agent signings has not been discussed more in response to the whole salary cap argument that I have been reading lately. The only way a team can sign so many top free agents (i.e. top 20 percent in their respective positions) is if the same team loses a similar number to other teams via free agency. For instance, as things stand right now the Yankees are not permitted to sign both Andy and Manny. Money is not the issue, the team is simply not allowed to sign both. Go figure.

    • That guy

      As I was told everyone gets 3 plus you get to replace however many Type As you lose. Therefor we have 6 Type A’s we can get. Not saying this is absolutly right, just what i was told when I asked.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        It’s not cumulative. You don’t get X + 3; you get X if X > 3.

        • That guy

          Ah. Thanks.

        • daneptizl

          Maybe it is cumulative…

  • That guy

    How much of a possibilty is Garland? Any idea how much his asking price is around or what hes worth. High ERA but good for 200 innings.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      He sucks. I don’t see why people want a pitcher with a 1.50 WHIP just because he can go 200 innings.

      • That guy

        Andy had a 1.4 WHIP tho.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Right. And I’ve been pretty vocal in saying that if Andy Pettitte doesn’t come back, I won’t be shedding too many tears.

          • That guy

            Who would you like to see them sign, if anybody. Or would you give it to Hughes, Kennedy Aceves.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

              I’m fine with it giving it to the kids. But if I were choosing free agents, I’d go with Pettitte simply because they can get him for a one-year deal, and it’s doubtful anyone else will sign for just one year.

    • Reggie C.

      Garland is looking for a multi-year deal , and why not … he’s only 29 or so. But that doesn’t change the fact that we’re talking about filling a 4/5 hole. You simply do not do that when you got young pitching on the cusp of contributing, AND when said young pitching is likely to put up better numbers than that FA.

      No. ITs Pettitte or its Hughes. I’m not terribly enthused that it could be Washburn (Matsui to seattle), who would be as inconsistent as the kids were last season. I think Hughes takes a step forward this season and if given 30 starts he could fight his way to a 4.25 ERA.

      • mike

        I really do not see the value in dumping Matsui (which the Yanks would be doing ) for Washburn unless Manny is on the horizon.

        Im not 100% sold on their offensive depth for 2009 even with Matsui because of the questions surrounding CF, Posada, Cano, Nady… so dumping Washburn and bringing back someone who is at best an average pitcher seems counter-productive unless manny is penciled in as the DH.

        Further , I think the japanese revenue stream is important to the Yanks (check out ads on Leftfield wall), so Matsui is not going anywhere

  • NY Yankee Fan

    Can we sign either during the year, more exactly? And, if so, when does the rules limiting the number of Type A free agents change?

  • mike

    Getting Pettite is a no-brainer, which is why he hasn’t accepted the Yankees 10mm offer yet.

    He realizes he is a perfect fit for them, and is likely figuring he can wait a few more weeks as no one can fill the void with his combination of innings/familiarity with NY/ track record /1yr demand which is ideal for this team.

    Lets not be surprised if he signs for 10mm, with 2mm in silly bonus money in a few weeks- which is a better deal than signing Sheets or Penny for 2+ years at similar $ totals

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Signing a 37-year-old who had shoulder problems in 2008 is hardly a no-brainer.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I’m with Ben on that one.

        Also: Willy T to the Reds, eh? I’m glad. That’ll stop the people here from asking about him.

        • Steve H

          For 2 years too. Didn’t they learn anything from Corey Patterson? Guess not.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            Wow. I didn’t realize how awful Corey Patterson is. His career OBP is .291!

  • mike

    When you check the boxes and compare him to other options – knowing the trade market will cost you more to get an average pitcher once the season starts – there is little need for acquiring an average (Garland)or expensive project (Sheets,Penny) on multi-year deals when he is available for basically the same price.

    His upside is limited, and his skills are diminished, but history has shown he will take the ball for appx 200 innings and keep the team in most games – and with improved starters in front of him and a better-on-paper offense hopefully the bullpen could come to his rescue easier than in the past.

    That, plus the 1-yr he will get, makes it really easy for me – unless the Yanks believe either Hughes is ready and Kennedy can fill in ( whereupon Pettite is not needed) , or that in reality Hughes/Kennedy/Aceves are not going to contribute in 2010 either

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  • MikeD

    Uhhh, Andy, Randy Johnson just signed a one-year contract for $8 million, and he had a better numbers, is going to the HOF, and there’s the chance he might help increase attendance since people still go to the ballpark to see him. Sign.

    Both team and pitcher need each other. Pettitte can get an equivalent offer from another team, but that’s not what he’s seeking. The Yankees also need Pettitte. They’ve spent a ton of money upgrading their rotation, and they don’t want to leave that upgrade exposed by having to insert one of the rookies. They need Pettitte to eat innings since Joba won’t go more than 150, and Burnett’s history suggests less than 200 IP. If we insert Hughes in the fifth slot, even if he pitches well, he probably won’t go more than 160 innings, or so, which weakens the entire rotation, and also could lead to bullpen overuse.

    It makes more sense to sign Pettitte and send Hughes and IPK to AAA to get more seasoning, and bin Huges case build up his innings. They also server as great sixth starters when needed.

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