Dec
09

Rosenthal: No CC resolution this week

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According to Ken Rosenthal’s 12:50 p.m. update (scroll down at the link), the Giants plan to meet with CC Sabathia and his agent this weekend in San Francisco. In other words, the Yankees will not be leaving Las Vegas with CC in tow. This story is going to drag on for a few more weeks, and impatient fans are just going to have hold their horses for a little while longer.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League

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  1. Chip says:

    I’d be happy if they stole the Sheets from the hotel though. It’s just sad to see that none of the big free agents look like they’re going to be signed before New Years

  2. yankeefan91 Sign cc ,burnett,sheets,manny says:

    theres a source that says the giants a re very confident they sign sabathia and the yankees meet wit burneet last night and will meet again today

  3. UWS says:

    WHY IS MY…

    Awwww, screw it

    /goes to get another Xanax

  4. The Evil Dynasty says:

    Forget about him.
    We need:
    - Sheets
    - Burnett
    - Manny or Tex

      • jsbrendog says:

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        • The Evil Dynasty says:

          haha, nice one. Seriously what’s wrong with it? Nothing!

          • Chip says:

            Well I guess we have plenty of pitchers coming up for when both Sheets and Burnett are permanently on the DL for two straight seasons and Manny refuses to play left field because we didn’t install a bathroom for him

            • Bo says:

              Chips Capt Positive

            • The Evil Dynasty says:

              Oh please, are you telling me CC + Burnett > Sheets + Burnett + Manny or Tex? Come on, we have Wang, Joba, and Hughes. We don’t need CC, and if he gives us the horrible numbers he put up with Cleveland at the beginning of last season we’re gonna be the ones shitting in our pants. We need to reorder and reassemble our offense too, we lost Giambi and Abreu, do you think Nick Swisher is enough to fill in that gap. We need to go after an OF (manny) or acquire Tex in order to move Swisher to CF.

              My .02 cents.

    • yankeefan91 Sign cc ,burnett,sheets,manny says:

      yea if we kan get cc i guess we get sheets burnett and manny

    • Mike Pop says:

      Needs:
      -CC
      -Tex
      -Sheets
      -Pettite
      -Burnett

      Pettite is only so low because he is the best shot to be signed.

    • Manny says:

      Perfect!

  5. Steve S says:

    This is just getting annoying now. I’m really starting to think that he doesnt want to come here, because even at this stage his agent must have told him no one is beating the Yankee offer and if he does decide to sign now, he is going to get the annoying NY media treatment on bad story days that he never wanted to be here and only signed for the money (see Mike Francesa today). This is way too long given the current status of the economy for him to sit on this thing.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Your right, noone will beat the Yankee offer. Whether that be this 140 or another offer where the Yanks offer more because a team on the west offers 120 or more.

      It is okay for CC to still be unsigned. If alot of FA’s were off the board and we did not get anyone but CC was still unsigned then would be time to worry

    • Joseph P. says:

      Ok, that was actually a reasonable argument. However, I still have to disagree. I don’t think this is as big a deal as people make it out to be. By all accounts, this pursuit is having no effect on the rest of the Yanks off-season.

      • Steve S says:

        Im not criticizing the Yankees. I’m just annoyed. I really want CC, I know there are plan B’s and am fully aware of them. Thats the problem. Nothing fits quite as nicely as CC. Its a significant step down from CC to Burnett/Sheets/Lowe, and all three are arguably bad fits considering their contracts (Sheets is the best fit contract wise but the concern over his elbow precludes relying on him to solidify the rotation).

        • Murph1010 says:

          Dude, yesterday I said exactly what you said and everyone jumped on me. The bottom line is, in this economy, he has to know nobody is going to approach the Yanks’ offer, yet he still has not taken it.

          • Ben K. says:

            How do you know that no one is goign to approach the Yanks’ offer? If the Angels lose Teixeira, they will surely approach the Yanks’ offer. Your economy excuse is a red herring.

            • Murph1010 says:

              They haven’t expressed any interest in him yet. Regardless of their interest in Tex, if they were serious about Sabathia, don’t you think they would have shown some interest by now, like the Brewers at least have?? Just because they can’t sign both Tex and CC doesn’t mean they only show interest in players one at a time, and only talk to certain players’ agents one at a time. They’re not even one of the teams meeting with the guy.

              Yes, we know their top priority is Tex, but you mean to tell me that equates to talking and showing interest to Tex and only Tex????

            • Steve S says:

              Well Ben, I think the argument is not whether they will approach the Yankee offer, thats a bit unfair. I think its established that this is the Yankees first offer but nothing says its their final offer. The Angels have said their focus is on Tex and even if they do offer comparable money its a likelihood that the Yankees could pad their offer further. And there is absolutely no way to say the “Angels will surely approach their offer”, as of the last three weeks, the Angels havent put anything on the table and thats straight from the GM’s mouth.

    • Manny says:

      If the yankees acquire CC, he is gonna get it worse that A-Rod from the fans. “AYEEEEE”

  6. Alan says:

    Until we see CC signing on the dotted line and holding up the jersey of the team he’s signing with, its all posturing and conjecture. The winter meetings give us nothing but fluff pieces from beat writers looking to drum up a storyline for themselves.

    I feel bad for Tim over at MLBTR. It seems every 10 minutes he has to update a rumor because of some “new information” or because an official debunked the rumor.

    Wake me up when the pitchers report to spring training.

  7. A.D. says:

    Unless the Yanks offer gets pulled, then this might be settled alot faster.

    Not saying it should, just saying it could

  8. frank says:

    Forget this guy. Whether he expressed his desire to be a Dodger, or if in fact he is meeting with the Giants this weekend, may or not be true.What is true, however, is his preference to pitch in the NL and on the west coast. He’s been offered an obscene amount of $$ and for what? Other than his durability, what big game has this guy ever won? His post season is nothing to write home about and the fact remains he has had no success vs. the RS. In my view, this guy is one of the most over hyped free agents in recent memory. Just sign Sheets and either Burnett/Lowe and go hard after Tex. The Yanks can win without CC.

  9. The Evil Dynasty says:

    Tex now talking to the braves = [

  10. Reggie C. says:

    I don’t want the Yanks to find themselves in a situation where they don’t end up with one of Sabathia or Teixeira. It very conceivable that we get out-bid on Tex by the RS while waiting for CC who ends up taking lesser money out West.

    That’d be disastrous…

  11. Bo says:

    Who here would EVER take the 1st offer?

  12. Matt says:

    I wanted sabathia for a long time but I am getting extremely frustrated with the pitching situation. I say the hell with him and move onto tex.

  13. Ken says:

    Francesa is hammering cc today. One caller made a good point that I forgot about . The caller mentioned how cc said he wasn’t going to drag out the process of being a free agent. It has become more and more obvious that we are being used (i.e. Bonds, Maddux). Should Cashman set a take or leave it deadline?

    • Mike Pop says:

      Hes been going on for about 3 hours now

    • Murph1010 says:

      “It has become more and more obvious that we are being used”

      Again, I said this yesterday and everyone had a heart attack. If he really wanted to be a yankee, the highest contract for a pitcher in baseball history would be accepted by now. For the people that are still optimistic about all this, think about it. Right now, the highest contract for a pitcher in baseball history ((and the knowledge that nobody else has and most likely won’t come close)) isn’t enough to convince him to pitch for the Yankees. Guys can give facepalms all the want, but read the sentence I just wrote before this one and tell me how it can possibly be a good thing.

      • Okay, fine, I’ll read the sentence you wrote just before your last one and tell you how it can possibly be a good thing:

        “Right now, the highest contract for a pitcher in baseball history ((and the knowledge that nobody else has and most likely won’t come close)) isn’t enough to convince him to pitch for the Yankees.”

        You know what? You’re right, it isn’t a good thing. Do you know what else it isn’t? It isn’t a bad thing, either. It’s just a thing. It’s just a thing. We all keep reading between the lines of nothings, as opposed to somethings.

        CC stands to gain NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL by accepting our offer. He stands to gain more by either hoping we panic and increase our offer, or seeing if somebody else comes in to raise our offer.

        Does CC not accepting our offer mean he hates NY and doesn’t want to be here? Sure, perhaps. Does CC not accepting our offer mean that he’s wants to come here and is willing to bide his time to see if he can get more money? Sure, perhaps. Both scenarios are possible. But here’s the problem with your statement, and other statements others make. I again return to your own words:

        If he really wanted to be a yankee, the highest contract for a pitcher in baseball history would be accepted by now.

        WRONG. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. You just flat out don’t know that. The fact that it’s December 9th and he hasn’t accepted is treated by you as the ONLY possible conclusion that can be drawn, and that’s just not true. Every winter, most marquee free agents don’t sign until the winter meetings (or after). This is how the market works. This year, the process may be MORE drawn out, as teams are reluctant to agree to contracts due to economic pressure.

        If you were CC’s agent, and CC came to you and said that “Dude, this 6/140 is probably the best I’ll get, let’s just take it,” you would advise him to wait. Wait as long as you can to try and drive your price up.

        The two possibilities here are either he flat out refuses to play in NYC no matter what the discrepancies in offers, or he’s doing smart negotiating. Which seems more likely? What evidence do you truly have that says it’s the former and can’t possibly be the latter?

        Moreover, what do we really stand to gain by changing our posture? Tex? We’re already in on the Tex talks, and there’s ZERO and I mean ZERO chance that Tex signs somewhere without Boras coming to us first to see if we’ll match. So, until you hear that Tex has agreed to the framework of a deal with Boston, we aren’t even losing out on anybody by continuing our dance with CC.

        So not only is the “CC will never come here” thought process probably wrong, but it’s counterproductive… all we’d be doing is pulling an offer off the table that potentially could be accepted in order to pursue someone else we could also have pursued without taking said offer off the table.

        • Murph1010 says:

          I didn’t say to pull the offer, and I’m not saying we should go after Tex instead. I’m saying although it’s still possible he winds up with the Yanks, you and the authors of the site (and a lot of others) seem way overly optimistic about the situation, that’s all.

          “CC stands to gain NOTHING AT ALL from our offer”
          Not true. He stansd to gain 140 million dollars (the highest pitcher contract in history) and a chance to play for the unquestioned premier franchise in sports who year in and year out give their players a shot at winning a World Series title. But apparently those 2 factors aren’t enough convincing for CC, which is my eyes is a GIANT red flag. In your’s and others’ eyes, however, it’s simply testing the market. If the Angles had shown ANY signs of life with CC, it would be different. They haven’t. Hell, the Red Sox have shown more. But when you say he has nothing to gain from accepting, that’s not true. I just told you 2 things he has to gain. It’s been a month since our offer, and nothing has changed. If anything, the market has gotten worse for him as teams don’t seem nearly as interested as he thought they would be.

          Again, of course it’s still possible he signs with us. But the outlandish optimism I see daily on this site I think is just wishful thinking and self-denial of what I think is obvious: He has some interest in pitching here, but not that much.

          • Most of it isn’t outlandish optimism. It’s just patient and reasoned realism and the disavowal of foolish posturing or poorly conscructed arguments (like the classic “screw this guy if he doesn’t want to be here”).

            It only looks outlandishly optimistic because it’s contrasted with outlandish pessimism and anti-Yankee vitriol and “CASHMAN YOU TEH SUX0R” idiocy.

            It’s not that I think there’s no chance CC signs elsewhere. I just don’t want people to foolishly believe CC not coming here is somehow preordained and thus, remove him from our potential list of acquisitions needlessly.

            It’s like the “Hughes lovers” v. “Hughes haters” debates… most Hughes defenders don’t even necessarily expect unbelievable greatness out of him, we just think the Hughes haters are irrationally shortsighted and lack historical perspective… and so our pleas for patience and faith may sometimes be misconstrued for doe-eyed platitudes.

          • Count Zero says:

            If anything, the market has gotten worse for him as teams don’t seem nearly as interested as he thought they would be.

            How does that even make sense? On the one hand you’re saying the market has gotten worse for him and teams don’t seem interested — on the other you’re saying this because he seems to be talking to teams like the Giants.

            To simplify — these are mutually exclusive points of view:

            A) Other teams like SF are interested in CC — thus invalidating your point

            B) Other teams aren’t interested as you say — so why are you worrying that he’s going to sign somewhere else? At the end of the day, he will have to take the only good offer out there.

            CC is in a good wait-and-see position for at least two more weeks — and if Teixeira or Burnett or Lowe sign, it would be even better for him. He would be a fool to sign with anyone right now. Bluffing with a deadline would get called by any smart poker player.

    • Matt says:

      Absolutely, give a deadline of sunday night or we move on.

      • Glen L says:

        WHY??? The yankees are allegedly still going to make offers to Burnett/Sheets/and/or Lowe regardless … what good does that do the yankees aside from some sort of ridiculous sense of .. pride? maybe, i don’t even know .. pulling the offer is just plain stupid .. its not holding up anything

        If he signs with someone else before Tex, then move on to Tex … if Tex signs with the angels .. then who on earth is going to offer CC a more lucrative deal?

      • Ron says:

        Absolutely, give a deadline of sunday night or we move on.

        http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....ent-223551

  14. Mike Pop says:

    Francesca “Sabathia is not in Santana’a league in my mind”

    • Murph1010 says:

      Let’s give it a rest with this guy. He doesn’t even believe the things he says, he’s just a guy trying to give controversy to stir up his audiences and keep ratings. It’s like watching a soap opera: whatever is necessary to throw a curveball to the audience, it will be done no matter the circumstances. Let’s stop taking the bait please.

    • Glen L says:

      Too bad his mind is too saturated in diet coke … Santana is better, but its a small degree at this point

      • Mike Pop says:

        Santana seems to be declining while Sabathia seems to be getting better. All bias aside

        • Murph1010 says:

          “santana seems to be declining”

          You are kidding, right? Please god tell me that was supposed to be a joke. You and I have never seen eye to eye on things but you can’t possibly say that with a straight face.

          His era+ was 166, his whip was 1.14, he averaged almost a K per inning, if he had a better bullpen he would have won 22 games, and he damn near won the Cy Young.

          Did you SEE that guy in the 2nd half last year? The last 2 months it seemed like he went 43-0 with an era of 0.23 and 800 Ks.

          Other than maybe a tick or two on his fastball, nothing about that guy “seems to be declining” … Gimme a break

  15. B.George says:

    All you guys need to stop listening to that frigging moron Mike Francesca who knows absolutley nothing about the business of baseball and how it works. When you are a free agents for the first time you want to maximize the amount of money you will get even if the first offer is 140 mill. With no other teams even being close to approaching CC offer his agent has to be creative to try and max out his contract. The only way in doing this is by saying he wants to stay on the West coast and make it seem slike he doesnt want to play here and obviosuly this is working. He is just waiting for the preassure for the Yanks to build up so they up the offer on the contract. No other top free agents have ever signed this early and everyone needs to relax.

  16. Matt says:

    Giants talk to Sabathia’s camp; Yanks rumored to be out

    This came out the giants beat writer Andrew Baggarly

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