Dec
27

Saturday night open thread

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  1. Timmy says:

    Does anyone know when Teixeira will have his physical and when he will have his press confrence?

  2. Joey H says:

    So with AJ and CC locked up long term, and Wang bound to be locked up long term, our chances of getting this amazing Japanese Pitcher Yu Darvish who is said to want to be a Yankee are very low right?

    • That guy says:

      Probably. If I remember correctly he’s going to stay in Japan for a couple of years. Kid seems like somethin special tho.

      • andrew says:

        However, if CC opts out after 3…
        Looks like pretty good timing to me.

        • Joey H says:

          Hasn’t C C been on the record saying he will be here for 7 years for the sake of his kids.

        • That guy says:

          Thats assuming the Nippon Fighters wanna post him to the MLB. Otherwise you have to play for 9 years I think to become a real free agent. And while he’s good we also have to remember Japanese teams use their own smaller balls and the umps seem to have wider strike zones. While I dont doubt he’d be good here the numbers are a little inflated tho.

      • Joey H says:

        Well he is only 22 and hopefully he gets better with age. Even if he spends 4 or 5 more years in Japan, the chances are we can have him in his prime years. He strikes out about a batter per inning, can go deep in games and over the last two years had ERA’s below 2 with 200 IP in each of those years.

    • 'The' Steve says:

      Why are you so sure Wang will be signed long term? I don’t see that being the case at all. He still has another year of arb, and has had a spotty health history.

      Given some of the high upside arms the Yanks have in their system, I wouldn’t be one bit surprised is they let him walk when he reaches free agency in 2010.

      • Joey H says:

        Listen, I know he had injury problems early on, but his injury last season was absolutely a freak injury. He had two stellar years and except that hammy pull (when everyone and their mother on the Yankees were pulling their hammy’s) and maybe a minor nail problem he is far from injury prone.

        • Billy Beane says:

          the point is, why sign him long-term before we have to? he still has arbitration years available. unlike position players (cano/wright/reyes/longoria/pedroia) it doesn’t make sense to buy out these years in effort to save some money. pitchers are more likely to get hurt than position players.

          we’ll see if the indians’ deal with carmona works out for them…

          • Mike Pop says:

            Agreed

          • Let's Talk About TEX Baby says:

            Usually the Yankees cost themselves a ton of money by not locking guys up early on, but the pitching market is so out of control right now, we’d have to give Wang a Peavy-like contract to get him to sign long term. Better to wait and see how the market matures in the next couple of years.

      • Ed says:

        Wang’s got 2 more years of arbitration. He qualified as a Super Two, so he gets 4 arbitration years instead of the normal 3. He’s a free agent after 2011.

    • A.D. says:

      While Yu will probably be very good in the majors, I hope we don’t post him mainly because we won’t need to Joba, Wang, CC, Hughes, IPK, Z-Mac, Brackman, IPK, AJ, Dellin, and co will get it done

      Figure Dice-K took 50M post + the 50M contract, Yu will only take more depending on when he’s posted

  3. Stephen says:

    NoMaas has a really good post on how good Mark Teixeira really is, for those people who foolishly think that he isn’t an elite player.
    For example, he has the 2nd highest VORP among first baseman over the last 2 years, following only Pujols and he has the 8th highest VORP overall over the last 2 years, and also the 4th highest OPS+ in baseball over the last 2 years.
    Simply, Teixeira is a great hitter and a great fielder. He was a great signing by the Yankees.

  4. 'The' Steve says:

    “The Giants have been listed as one of the teams who might be a good trade partner with the New York Yankees for a corner outfielder, in particular Xavier Nady, but he doesn’t meet Sabean’s requirement regarding free agency. Nady’s contract ends after the ’09 season.”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....l-lis.html

    Sanchez-Nady, anyone?

    • Joey H says:

      Interesting thought. 26 years old. Break out of the year candidate. Former TJ patient. Nice varied repertoire. Tons of potential. But am I willing to give up a Boras client in a contract year?

      • 'The' Steve says:

        Tons of potential, but also has questions about his stamina and hasn’t pitched up to his stuff yet. Sounds like he doesn’t work all that hard, to me.

    • Joey H says:

      Now that I thought about it for 10 minutes I think we would have to throw in a bullpen piece to get it done. Or maybe not. Heh you never know.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Why didnt you put the other points where Sabean said he wont acquire a player who’s contract ends after 09?

    • A.D. says:

      Basically from those comments I would guess that Sanchez isn’t going for a 1 year guy… especially since they don’t need to trade Sanchez

  5. LeftyLarry says:

    Money is going to be so important, I don’t see how Yanks can trade any of them.Everybody is going to be dumping salaries as the economy tanks more and more.
    A lot of owners personal wealth took big hits and I don’t see them wanting to lose money to make fans happy.
    Yanks will have to pick up portions of contracts and then is it worth trading anyone now?

  6. Joey H says:

    (Sorry about above)
    “The Reds have been in discussion with the New York Yankees about their extra outfielders, but no deals are close.” (Via MLBTR concerning the talk with Jocketty)
    Well that is interesting. Any pieces that are worth taking from them?

    • Joey H says:

      A.D.
      Homer pitched awful last year. A 2 Whip, and 7 ERA in 36 IP

      • A.D. says:

        I know he did, not advocating that deal, just chances are thats what they would offer

      • Steve H says:

        Phil and IPK pitched awful last year too.

        • Joey H says:

          Ok, so then what you are saying is just have 3 young pitchers who can potentially be awful again? Not worth the bargain for X in a contract year.

          • Steve H says:

            What I’m saying is don’t judge Bailey on his 36 innings. If the FO is concerned about his diminishing stuff or his attitude that’s fine. But to point out his 36 innings as a reason for not trading for him is extremely shortsighted. It’s too small of a sample size.

            • Joey H says:

              Ok, so if we were to acquire him, what would you like for the deal to be?

              • Steve H says:

                I would trade Nady for him, get him in the minors working with Contreras, use the savings from Nady’s $6 million and sign Andy for $10 mil to be our #5. Maybe Nady is ready to finally breakout, but he’s just not that good. This was the 1st year he’s had more than 500 ab’s and he’s 30 years old. His ops+ with the Yankees was 105 right in line with his career or 108.

    • Joey H says:

      How about Bronson Arroyo? The guy has pitched in the AL east. And is always good to eat some innings.

      • A.D. says:

        Arroyo has a bad contract

        • Mike Pop says:

          If I want to eat innings I would use the young guns. They probably put up similar ERA’s and dont cost anywhere near as much.

          • Joey H says:

            Yeah, ML innings cap. I know they pitched in the AFL and minors and what have you but its a totally different story come April.

        • Joey H says:

          He would be cheaper than Pettitte. And after our young guns are ready we can just use him as trade bait.

          • Mike Pop says:

            Wouldnt be able to get much for him though. Would rather see IPK and Hughes in there instead.

          • Steve H says:

            He’s got 2 years/$25 mil, not cheaper than Pettitte in dollars or years.

          • A.D. says:

            He’s owed 9.5 M & 11M with a 2M buyout in ’11. AND put up a 4.77 ERA in the NL central last year… I’ll pass. I’d rather take Nady, and his draft pick(s) when he leaves.

            • Joey H says:

              But the idea is to move Nady or an extra OF.

              • Mike Pop says:

                With all due respect, it is just dumb to move a guy like Nady who has value to us for a guy like Bronson who would have alot less value than Nady to us. You dont move a guy like Nady just to move him. It would just be adding to the payroll while losing the 5th or 6th best hitter on our team(arguably). Im not a huge fan of Nady but I like what he has done. In no way would I move him for Bronson unless they gave us something else of value to us with him.

    • VO says:

      Chris Dickerson?

    • 'The' Steve says:

      This one’s easy. We’re in the market for a 5th starter and they’re small market team.

      Adam Harang is due to make 11 mil next year, up from the 6.75 he made this year. That would be the 2nd highest salary on the Red’s roster according to Cot’s. He’s coming off a bad season, but put up 3 very good seasons before that, so he’s a very likely rebound candidate.

      Given that his trade value is down, and they won’t want to take a big salary like Matsui back, I would think Swisher+ gets it done. Nady straight up would be giving up a bit too much for a guy coming off a bad year.

      Another option would be to deal Matsui and eat some of his salary, but I’m not sure Hideki would want to play in CINN and he has a full NTC. Seattle or San Fran sound more likely for Matsui.

      • Joey H says:

        I am for Harang, just as I was around the deadline but that means Matsui Waiving his non-assignability clause to play on two bad knees. I don’t think so.

        • 'The' Steve says:

          Nice thing about Harang is that he’s a horse. 30+ starts each of the past 4 seasons and averaged well over 200 IP. Has the upside to be a mid rotation guy, as our #5 he’s terrific.

          I doubt it happens, though. Yanks would prefer to deal Matsui and he’s just not a match for them.

      • Mike Pop says:

        Harang is good no question. Its Aaron though. I would definitely deal Nady or Swish for him though. No question bout it. Then you can use our pitching depth to pick up some nice young talent. I dont think they would be willing to deal him though. He is very good especially considering the numbers he put up in that ballpark. I would look into a trade for him if it involved Nady very quickly.

      • Steve H says:

        Swisher is better than Nady. I’d certainly trade Nady straight up for Harang, I don’t see the Reds doing that. He’s 30, led the league in wins and k’s in 2006, was 2nd in k’s in 2007 (4th in the Cy voting). He was pitching ok in 2008 until he was forced to throw a few innings in an extra inning game and it was all downhill from there.

        • Ivan says:

          Word. Swisher is younger, under contract, and draws BB’s and is a patient hitter, all opposite of Nady and Swisher is a better fielder.

          • Steve H says:

            Swisher hits for more power than Nady too, and has had his success in the AL, in a huge pitchers park in Oakland. Give him 200 LH ab’s in Yankee stadium and he’s bound to have even more success than he did in Oakland.

        • 'The' Steve says:

          Two words. “Salary dump”. They won’t want to pay him 11 mil next year, ESPECIALLY the super cheap Reds. Plus, he’s coming off a bad year and is owed 11, 12.5, 12.75 over the next 3 years.

          BTW-If Swisher is better than Nady, then why is Nady our starting RF and Swisher our super utility man right now? Why did we have to give up one of our top prospects to get Nady, and Swisher was acquired for Wilson Betemit+?

          You may believe Swisher is better, but apparently no GM’s agree with you.

          • Mike Pop says:

            Pitt-Sold high
            Chitown-Sold VERY low

            • 'The' Steve says:

              Which could also tell you one player is coming into his prime, and the other is declining (possibly due to the steroid ban).

              • Mike Pop says:

                Or it means Pitt just wanted the most it could get because they are always rebuilding and Ozzie HATED Swish lol.

                • Steve H says:

                  Didn’t we also get Marte, who we valued enough to give a 3 year/$12million contract to?

                • 'The' Steve says:

                  Yes, and we also gave up THREE pitchers as well. At least one of which you figure was added compensation for Nady. It was a package deal, but 3 pitchers for Marte would have been overpaying for a lefty reliever.

                  http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/nadyxa01.shtml

                  “Traded by the Pittsburgh Pirates with Damaso Marte to the New York Yankees for Jeff Karstens, Ross Ohlendorf, Daniel McCutchen (minors), and Jose Tabata (minors). “

                • Steve H says:

                  Why did we have to give up one of our top prospects to get Nady

                  I was responding to that sentence, which left out important info. The pitchers we gave up weren’t exactly top prospects either, 2 had chances in the majors and struggled, and Mccutchen is too old to be a prospect.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  All in all I kinda wish we kept McCutchen. Ill always root for that guy

              • Steve H says:

                They started testing the 1st full year of Swisher’s career, so that argument doesn’t cut it.

                • 'The' Steve says:

                  Nonsense. Everyone knows that players could get around those tests. It wasn’t until Clemens destroyed his entire career by making a fool of himself in front of Congress and Bonds was indicted that players got scared off of using.

                  Run scoring was down by about 20 runs per team all across Baseball from 2007-2008. Look at the 2008 AL HR leaders. Nobody hit 50, only 2 players hit 40 and Miguel Cabrera led the AL with 37. RBIs were down as well.

                • Ed says:

                  Not trying to deny any steroid issues, but I don’t think this season’s home run decline is nearly as bad as it looks at first glance.

                  No one hit 50, but 50 was only common in the late 90′s when steroids were at their peak, and a few years surrounding that time frame on either end.

                  As to the low number of 40 HR guys, this season had a lot of big power hitters hurt. A-Rod missed over 3 weeks. Quentin missed a month. Braun missed a few weeks and played hurt for a while. Carlos Lee missed two months. Pujols missed 2 weeks. Soriano missed 2 months. That’s 6 guys on a 40+ HR pace.

                  Also, take Adrian Gonzalez out of San Diego and he most likely hits 40 HRs.

                  The low number of 40 HR seasons this year was more a freak thing than anything else, just like 2006 was a freak season with no pitcher winning 20 games.

          • Steve H says:

            The only thing Nady does better than Swisher is hit for average. Despite that, he makes outs more often than Swisher, he’s older than Swisher, he has less power than Swisher, he’s had his “success” in the NL. Nady has never hit more than 25 Hr’s in a year, Swisher hit 35 in 2006 while playing half his games in Oakland’s cavernous park. He also is more consistent against both LHP and RHP, unlike Nady, who has much less success against RHP’s, whom he sees 75% of the time.

      • A.D. says:

        What we actually need is a young outfielder to play after the 2009 season

        • yanks27in09 says:

          I doubt the Reds would trade a frontline starter for either Nady or Swisher.

          • A.D. says:

            Dickerson makes the most sense, the Reds will go Nady, Taveras, and Bruce in the OF…Votto will need to move to a corner in the near future for Alonso, so they’re fine with Nady leaving

            Dickerson is essentially ML ready, and has some tools.

            …else Drew Stubbs

  7. yanks27in09 says:

    the Braves and Giants both seem to be in the market for OF’s. I like Martin Prado of the Braves, or maybe we could spin off a 3 or 4 team trade of Nady and Swisher with the Dodgers who are loaded with outfielders. Id love Ethier or maybe even Kemp, but thats stretching it.

  8. A.D. says:

    On VO’s Dickerson idea, he was drafted by the Yankees originally.

    I like it, he has speed, and can play all the OF spots

    • Balls Deep says:

      Anything wrong with Kemp? His #’s look good to me. Not looking for 3/4/5 hitter… just a good CF that won’t be a liability in the field or at bat. And they can throw in a reliever or 2 to get what they need.

      • Stephen says:

        Kemp’s not really a CFer though, even if that’s where he’s played

      • A.D. says:

        Kemp is a stud, he will not be traded for for Nady. It would take Cano + for Kemp

        Dickerson is a trade that can make sense

        • Mike Pop says:

          Is Dickerson going to be any good? Just looking at his stats he was good but it was a small sample size.

          • A.D. says:

            From John Sickels:

            Chris Dickerson, OF, Grade C+: Tremendous tools. He’s more a .250 hitter than a .300 guy, but with speed, power, and defense. Older prospect, which limits his grade.

            No superstar, but could be a solid major league player….really not that much different than Nady

  9. yanks27in09 says:

    I was just looking at Dickerson’s minor league stats. He had a great stint in the majors this year, but his minor league numbers arent all that impressive. He has a career line of .260 and average power.

  10. LeftyLarry says:

    I think Yankees will be glad to take prospects for any of the outfielders.More likely though, someone will want ot dump salary on us.

  11. 'The' Steve says:

    “Hospital to remove Clemens’ name”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3795313

    Glad he’s reclaimed his good name from all those horrible accusations. Roger is Exhibit A on how NOT to run a PR campaign. Had he just ignored MacAfee, none of this would have happened.

    • A.D. says:

      Yeah, he’s made every mistake you could

    • VO says:

      why wouldnt he just come out like pettitte did? is anything happening to pettitte? i dont think so the worst problem he has is wether he is making 10 or 16 million next season

    • Mike Pop says:

      Ya he fucked up as bad as you could.

      • Balls Deep says:

        And if he came out like Pettitte did; he’d have Jeter, Mariano and Cashman at each of his press conferences; for each time he had to apologize for the “oops, I forgot I took HGH again and oh yeah, I did then too.” No problem Andy, the Yankees had your back, no one screamed at you like they did Giambi… now sign your contract and just pitch and shut up.

  12. Moshe Mandel says:

    The Rangers are really starting to get on my nerves.

    • VO says:

      same here i dont like hockey but i decided hey wtf might as well turn on the ranger game (the other day) i watch it and i start getting into it were up 4-0 then they collapse im just like alright this is why i dont like hockey

  13. LiveFromNewYork says:

    I received an email from a guy I work with asking if I’m selling my Exhibition tickets. I said no. He told me there is someone on eBay selling the tickets for $4000.00!!!! (2k/ea). A bunch of people in his family wrote to the Yankees because apparently the Yankees sometimes pull the licenses of people who jack up ticket prices like that. Is that even legal?

    • 'The' Steve says:

      Just because someone is asking for 2k, doesn’t mean he is selling them for that. I put my extra tix on StubHub (yes, its legal. No, the Yanks won’t pull your tix) and very often the seats don’t sell at all. Especially the really expensive ones, especially in this economy.

      BTW-Your friend has a LOT of company. Check out the StubHub listings.

      http://www.stubhub.com/new-yor.....09-758752/

      Prices start at $90 for bleachers. Yikes.

      • LiveFromNewYork says:

        There was an article in the Daily News a couple of years ago that the Yankees were pulling licenses of people who were selling their tix on eBay because I always liste mine and then I stopped.

        • 'The' Steve says:

          That was true, but is no longer the case. Maybe you didn’t notice, but the Yanks have a Stub Hub BOOTH at the stadium now, by Gate 4. They announced a partnership before last season.

          • LiveFromNewYork says:

            They felt forced into StubHub and they make a big deal that they are the ONLY authorized reseller. They still don’t like it and they really don’t like eBay. I don’t think that having a StubHub booth means they don’t pull licenses for selling on eBay. Or does it? And why? How do you come to that conclusion? I’m not being a smartass, I’m trying to figure out how it has changed and what the rules are now. I used to sell a lot of tix on eBay and my tix never move on StubHub. I’d love to go back to eBay but can’t afford to have my license pulled.

  14. VO says:

    My football hopes this week

    Bills defeat New England
    Jets defeat Miami
    GREEENN BAY MUST DEFEAT DETROIT

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