Comments on: Some fuzzy math with the Yanks payroll http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/ A New York Yankees Blog Mon, 28 May 2012 04:40:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: stroscoach http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-242209 stroscoach Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:20:19 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-242209 Are you kidding , new york tax payers are paying for the stadium at a cost of 1.5 billion and there's another 400 million going to be put on the tax payers for over runs. the yankees have been killing baseball for years and this may be the final dagger. Are you kidding , new york tax payers are paying for the stadium at a cost of 1.5 billion and there’s another 400 million going to be put on the tax payers for over runs. the yankees have been killing baseball for years and this may be the final dagger.

]]> By: One long update: CC & A.J. take physicals, Yanks and Brewers are at a standstill, Yanks & GM end partnership… « Zell’s Pinstripe Blog http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-233037 One long update: CC & A.J. take physicals, Yanks and Brewers are at a standstill, Yanks & GM end partnership… « Zell’s Pinstripe Blog Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:56:47 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-233037 [...] Some fuzzy math with the Yankees payroll [...] [...] Some fuzzy math with the Yankees payroll [...]

]]> By: Projecting the Yankees payroll | River Avenue Blues http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-233008 Projecting the Yankees payroll | River Avenue Blues Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:00:23 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-233008 [...] team’s ability to sign another bat this off-season. Yesterday we discussed why the Yankees might not have as much free payroll as some assume. Still, they’re the Yankees and until we hear it from the boss, there’s no reason to [...] [...] team’s ability to sign another bat this off-season. Yesterday we discussed why the Yankees might not have as much free payroll as some assume. Still, they’re the Yankees and until we hear it from the boss, there’s no reason to [...]

]]> By: Jon Williams http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-232990 Jon Williams Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:45:07 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-232990 One fact that you did not mention in your post is that the Yankees are also receiving a major discount on their luxury tax/ revenue sharing payments due to the new stadium. Although it isn't usually considered payroll dollars it is money that the Yankees will not have to pay this season. One fact that you did not mention in your post is that the Yankees are also receiving a major discount on their luxury tax/ revenue sharing payments due to the new stadium. Although it isn’t usually considered payroll dollars it is money that the Yankees will not have to pay this season.

]]> By: bpdelia http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-232793 bpdelia Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:21:28 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-232793 honestly. They will probably stand pat. Next year Damon Matsui nady all come off the books and the free agent class is far far superior (as of now sans extensions of course)o: Matt Holliday, Carl Crawfrd, Vlad Guerrero, magglio Ordonez, Rick Ankiel, Melvin Mora, Brian Roberts, Adrian Beltre, and more. So the best bet is to stand pat and maintain payroll flexibility for when some of these players inevitably become available in late June. barring that it's ok to not win the world series next year. The yanks are not pinching pennines but rather trying to build a sustainable franchise. I don't care about the payroll. I do care about being locked into players taht can't play and can't be moved. I'd just wait to go one from the list of Crawford, Holliday, Ankiel, ROberts, Mora, ORdonez or (shiver aaaaghhhrrrrhhhh) Vlad Guererro. honestly. They will probably stand pat.
Next year Damon Matsui nady all come off the books and the free agent class is far far superior (as of now sans extensions of course)o: Matt Holliday, Carl Crawfrd, Vlad Guerrero, magglio Ordonez, Rick Ankiel, Melvin Mora, Brian Roberts, Adrian Beltre, and more.

So the best bet is to stand pat and maintain payroll flexibility for when some of these players inevitably become available in late June. barring that it’s ok to not win the world series next year. The yanks are not pinching pennines but rather trying to build a sustainable franchise. I don’t care about the payroll. I do care about being locked into players taht can’t play and can’t be moved.

I’d just wait to go one from the list of Crawford, Holliday, Ankiel, ROberts, Mora, ORdonez or (shiver aaaaghhhrrrrhhhh) Vlad Guererro.

]]> By: gg http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-232584 gg Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:31:32 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-232584 Dont sign Pet Dont trade for Cameron Buy a bat with all that money, and am I the only one who thinks Gardner could actually be good? the guy could lead the AL in SB's Dont sign Pet
Dont trade for Cameron

Buy a bat with all that money, and am I the only one who thinks Gardner could actually be good? the guy could lead the AL in SB’s

]]> By: Simmy http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-232577 Simmy Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:07:24 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-232577 The yankees need to sign Teixeira, Manny or Dunn to realistically compete in 2009 wth Tampa and Boston. Without that hitter, the lineup has good names, but Posada might not be able to catch every day, Cano and Matsui might not fully bounce back, and without Giambi they only have 1 OPS hound in ARod. Nady probably won't repeat his career year and Damon will probably see a dip from last year, and Jeter continues to decline offensively. These things will all add up. If posada can't catch that would really kill any hopes imho because Molina batting everyday is just downright scary, but I am hoping Jorgies got 1 more year in him. As for ARod - Its not that HE needs "protection" like someone wrote above, its just simply that the LINEUP needs another big time hitter. He can't do it alone. As far as the payroll goes, no one in these comments has stepped up with all the rules about whether buyouts count, or how much increased salary to assume for various arb guys. But to me it is simple: If you want to be able to expect a 2009 playoff berth, you need 1 of those 3 hitters. If Cashman somehow makes a baseball decision that one of those guys to a long term contract will hurt you in the long run, well, I just disagree (I think that hitter would have been more important and less risky than Burnett, who I like, or even Sabathia, but certainly the fact that they got 2 filled which a need lower on the priority list than big time hitter, imho, which should have been the #1 priority with all the offensive woes I laid out in paragraph 1). The yankees need to sign Teixeira, Manny or Dunn to realistically compete in 2009 wth Tampa and Boston. Without that hitter, the lineup has good names, but Posada might not be able to catch every day, Cano and Matsui might not fully bounce back, and without Giambi they only have 1 OPS hound in ARod. Nady probably won’t repeat his career year and Damon will probably see a dip from last year, and Jeter continues to decline offensively. These things will all add up. If posada can’t catch that would really kill any hopes imho because Molina batting everyday is just downright scary, but I am hoping Jorgies got 1 more year in him. As for ARod – Its not that HE needs “protection” like someone wrote above, its just simply that the LINEUP needs another big time hitter. He can’t do it alone.

As far as the payroll goes, no one in these comments has stepped up with all the rules about whether buyouts count, or how much increased salary to assume for various arb guys. But to me it is simple: If you want to be able to expect a 2009 playoff berth, you need 1 of those 3 hitters. If Cashman somehow makes a baseball decision that one of those guys to a long term contract will hurt you in the long run, well, I just disagree (I think that hitter would have been more important and less risky than Burnett, who I like, or even Sabathia, but certainly the fact that they got 2 filled which a need lower on the priority list than big time hitter, imho, which should have been the #1 priority with all the offensive woes I laid out in paragraph 1).

]]> By: Ed http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-232527 Ed Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:57:26 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-232527 Igawa's salary doesn't count against the payroll calculations for the luxury tax. But generally it's more useful to talk about the total monetary picture, as I doubt the Yankees are ignoring Igawa's money just because he's not on the 40 man roster. If you remember the big fuss a few years ago when Giambi had his terrible season after the Balco trial, the Yankees tried to get him to agree to go to the minors. One of the factors in that was it would take his salary off the luxury tax calculations, which would be a large amount of money considering his salary. Igawa’s salary doesn’t count against the payroll calculations for the luxury tax. But generally it’s more useful to talk about the total monetary picture, as I doubt the Yankees are ignoring Igawa’s money just because he’s not on the 40 man roster.

If you remember the big fuss a few years ago when Giambi had his terrible season after the Balco trial, the Yankees tried to get him to agree to go to the minors. One of the factors in that was it would take his salary off the luxury tax calculations, which would be a large amount of money considering his salary.

]]> By: deadrody http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-232465 deadrody Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:10:18 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-232465 The last point I will make is that clearly the Yankees ARE pursuing both Texeira and Manny. That defintely runs counter to the argument that they Yankees can't afford to sign either one. And lastly, I don't think there is any doubt, or at least I damn sure HOPE there is no doubt that if it looks like the Sox are going to sign Texeira, the Yankees damn well better throw caution to the wind and outbid them. I would like to think that even at his elevated age, such news would spring George into action and the word would come down from on high that thou shall outbid the Red Sox. Because forgetting winning and championships and tangible things that money can buy, what good is the highest revenue in baseball if you can't use it to 1) thwart the vile Red Sox attempts to field a better team than the Yankees AND 2) piss off Red Sox fans to no forseeable end ? Am I right ? The last point I will make is that clearly the Yankees ARE pursuing both Texeira and Manny. That defintely runs counter to the argument that they Yankees can’t afford to sign either one.

And lastly, I don’t think there is any doubt, or at least I damn sure HOPE there is no doubt that if it looks like the Sox are going to sign Texeira, the Yankees damn well better throw caution to the wind and outbid them. I would like to think that even at his elevated age, such news would spring George into action and the word would come down from on high that thou shall outbid the Red Sox.

Because forgetting winning and championships and tangible things that money can buy, what good is the highest revenue in baseball if you can’t use it to 1) thwart the vile Red Sox attempts to field a better team than the Yankees AND 2) piss off Red Sox fans to no forseeable end ?

Am I right ?

]]> By: deadrody http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/some-fuzzy-math-with-the-yanks-payroll-6327/#comment-232446 deadrody Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:57:41 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6327#comment-232446 Not to mention that according to <a href="http://deadspin.com/5032845/yankee-revenue-to-immediately-double-in-new-stadium" rel="nofollow">this article</a>, Yankee revenues are expected to exceed $312 M next year. I'm not even sure if that includes money from the YES Network. The overall point is not to justify that they CAN spend that extra $40 Million, but that you cannot simply state that they cannot. I would definitely defer to the "CAN" side of the argument, especially when you think long term. Within 3 years Rivera, Posada, and Jeter all come off the books. At least two of those will almost assuredly retire. And again, like I said the other day, when that happens and you are spending your millions on decent players and watching Texeira play for the Angels or GOD FORBID, the blow sox, you will most definitely be kicking yourself. Not to mention that according to this article, Yankee revenues are expected to exceed $312 M next year. I’m not even sure if that includes money from the YES Network.

The overall point is not to justify that they CAN spend that extra $40 Million, but that you cannot simply state that they cannot. I would definitely defer to the “CAN” side of the argument, especially when you think long term. Within 3 years Rivera, Posada, and Jeter all come off the books. At least two of those will almost assuredly retire. And again, like I said the other day, when that happens and you are spending your millions on decent players and watching Texeira play for the Angels or GOD FORBID, the blow sox, you will most definitely be kicking yourself.

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