Comments on: The all-time leaders in plate appearances per strikeout http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:17:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chris C. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220481 Chris C. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:21:20 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220481 I get that the guy strikes out, I’m not trying to convince you that Adam Dunn is a productive player, that should be obvious, I was posting to show some perspective on that sometimes there can be benefits on not putting balls in play. VERY rarely is a strikeout beneficial. Over the course of a season, maybe 5 or 6 of Dunn's K's were beneficial because they would have been DP's. The rest of his strikeouts were either unproductive, or had no effect at all. So basically 6 of his 164 K's spared his ballclub an extra baserunner and out. Sorry....you just cannot turn this into a positive. I get that the guy strikes out, I’m not trying to convince you that Adam Dunn is a productive player, that should be obvious, I was posting to show some perspective on that sometimes there can be benefits on not putting balls in play.

VERY rarely is a strikeout beneficial. Over the course of a season, maybe 5 or 6 of Dunn’s K’s were beneficial because they would have been DP’s.

The rest of his strikeouts were either unproductive, or had no effect at all. So basically 6 of his 164 K’s spared his ballclub an extra baserunner and out.
Sorry….you just cannot turn this into a positive.

]]> By: Chris C. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220473 Chris C. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:10:36 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220473 "What about Kenedy,Melky Some relief pitching for Kemp. Maybe Jackson. Even with Jackson included Iwould do it" No offense, but this is one of the dumbest statements I've read in a while. Kennedy, Cabrera, a reliever, and Austin Jackson for Kemp??? That's the kind of package the Padres would take immidiately for Jake Peavy! “What about Kenedy,Melky Some relief pitching for Kemp. Maybe Jackson. Even with Jackson included Iwould do it”

No offense, but this is one of the dumbest statements I’ve read in a while.
Kennedy, Cabrera, a reliever, and Austin Jackson for Kemp???
That’s the kind of package the Padres would take immidiately for Jake Peavy!

]]> By: DonnieBaseballHallofFame http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220194 DonnieBaseballHallofFame Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:29:31 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220194 Thanks for all the info. As for the list of the DP guys, it is funny because without having all sorts of statistical data to back it up about half of those guys would be on my all time most over rated list. Thanks for all the info. As for the list of the DP guys, it is funny because without having all sorts of statistical data to back it up about half of those guys would be on my all time most over rated list.

]]> By: DonnieBaseballHallofFame http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220188 DonnieBaseballHallofFame Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:26:56 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220188 Amen. We have a GREAT need for Manny. Amen. We have a GREAT need for Manny.

]]> By: DonnieBaseballHallofFame http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220185 DonnieBaseballHallofFame Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:25:17 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220185 D-Backs were not a contending team last year? Contending team with a much easier path towards the WS, and much better pitching???? D-Backs were not a contending team last year? Contending team with a much easier path towards the WS, and much better pitching????

]]> By: Mike http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220150 Mike Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:58:24 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220150 I remember the days of Paul O'Neil and remember how much he hated to strikeout? Oh yeah K's are unproductive outs and Dunn is the king! Joe DiMaggio = 13 seasons = 369 Ks total or 34 per year... Dunn could get that in just two years!!! I remember the days of Paul O’Neil and remember how much he hated to strikeout? Oh yeah K’s are unproductive outs and Dunn is the king!

Joe DiMaggio = 13 seasons = 369 Ks total or 34 per year…
Dunn could get that in just two years!!!

]]> By: Eric http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220149 Eric Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:56:28 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220149 Adam Dunn not only hits more homers than Bobby Abreu but he also gets on base more. He's also a few years younger. Adam Dunn is better than Bobby Abreu. Adam Dunn not only hits more homers than Bobby Abreu but he also gets on base more. He’s also a few years younger. Adam Dunn is better than Bobby Abreu.

]]> By: A.D. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220142 A.D. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:49:11 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220142 Sure they could walk A-Rod to get Dunn, and you don't want to take the bat out of A-Rod's hand, but while Dunn has a far worse average than A-Rod he gets on at a career clip of .008 less than A-Rod. So its almost just as likely Dunn is going to get on base as A-Rod (Dunn has a 10 point higher OBP with men on than A-Rod in his career). Meaning that worse case you might be leaving it up to one of the bats behind Dunn, or alternate scenario that pitcher tries to get ahead after walking A-Rod and the ball is crushed somewhere. True as a hitter Manny > Dunn, Manny is going to the Hall, Dunn probably isn't, but Dunn's contract demands, and chances that he continues or improves his career numbers because of age are both going to be favorable compared to Manny's. That said, we will all enjoy debating this out only to have the Yanks sign none of these bats Sure they could walk A-Rod to get Dunn, and you don’t want to take the bat out of A-Rod’s hand, but while Dunn has a far worse average than A-Rod he gets on at a career clip of .008 less than A-Rod.

So its almost just as likely Dunn is going to get on base as A-Rod (Dunn has a 10 point higher OBP with men on than A-Rod in his career). Meaning that worse case you might be leaving it up to one of the bats behind Dunn, or alternate scenario that pitcher tries to get ahead after walking A-Rod and the ball is crushed somewhere.

True as a hitter Manny > Dunn, Manny is going to the Hall, Dunn probably isn’t, but Dunn’s contract demands, and chances that he continues or improves his career numbers because of age are both going to be favorable compared to Manny’s.

That said, we will all enjoy debating this out only to have the Yanks sign none of these bats

]]> By: A.D. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220137 A.D. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:39:35 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220137 At least Carlos Lee can still hit... Juan Pierre & his 10M pinch running salary should be included At least Carlos Lee can still hit… Juan Pierre & his 10M pinch running salary should be included

]]> By: A.D. http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/the-all-time-leaders-in-plate-appearances-per-strikeout-6155/#comment-220132 A.D. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:32:46 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=6155#comment-220132 How did he not want to be there? Liriano pitched pretty well last year in the bigs despite being hammered in 3 early starts. Twins didn't want to bring him back from the minors because at first he was still coming back from TJ, then to help keep his service time down, eventually they dumped Livan Hernandez to open up a spot for Liriano. Joba's role... Joba is a starter, and he will be a starter until if & when he proves he cannot start How did he not want to be there? Liriano pitched pretty well last year in the bigs despite being hammered in 3 early starts.

Twins didn’t want to bring him back from the minors because at first he was still coming back from TJ, then to help keep his service time down, eventually they dumped Livan Hernandez to open up a spot for Liriano.

Joba’s role… Joba is a starter, and he will be a starter until if & when he proves he cannot start

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