Dec
09

The unwanted Jason Giambi

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Late last evening, Ken Rosenthal dropped in a sorta sad/sorta funny nugget about Jason Giambi into his Winter Meetings live-blog:

Free-agent first baseman Jason Giambi has told friends that he expects to sign with the A’s, but his former team has him “way down on its list of priorities,” according to a major-league source.

So basically, Jason really wants to be on the A’s, but the A’s don’t have plans for him quite yet. I guess Jason is just going to hold out in the hopes that someone, anyone, comes a-knockin’ and that the someone just happens to be Oakland. Otherwise, he may be waiting a while for that phone to ring.

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  1. jsbrendog says:

    poor guy. he can def still swing the stick.

    as for other things more yankee related apparently according to mlbtr the yanks have interest in rick ankiel and the cards might “like” IPK.

    If you could od that straight up i’d do it in a heartbeat but i doubt it’d be straight up…but it hink if cash can pull it off it’d be super sweet

    • Ron says:

      Cash said it’s “unlikely” that he will trade Cano, Hughes or IPK. I guess that means if he is blown away with an offer, he will do it, but I don’t see this as that “blow away” offer.

    • Matt says:

      That really wouldn’t be worth it. I know Ankiel’s a great story and has some pop but he doesn’t know what a walk is, he can’t hit left handed pitchers all that well, and the outfield is already potentially crowded. I’m not quite ready to give up on IPK yet, especially if it’s only for Rick Ankiel. I’d rather the Yankees went after someone who’s the same age as Ankiel and a much more advanced hitter: Adam Dunn. He also would not cost anything except for money and a draft pick.

      • E-ROC says:

        Dunn wasn’t offered arbitration so he requires no compensation. Yes!

      • steve (different one) says:

        the question is: can Ankiel play a credible CF?

        i don’t know enough about him to answer this.

        if he can, this would be something to consider.

        if he is a corner guy, it probably isn’t worth it.

        even with all of his offensive shortcomings, we’d still be looking at a pretty massive upgrade in CF.

      • Jay CT says:

        I think Rick Ankiel would be worth it. A guy who has really good power and is still developing, plus plays a strong CF with a rocket arm. I think IPK is a fair asking price as both guys have some upside

        • Matt says:

          But Ankiel doesn’t play a strong centerfield. He’s project at -8 runs there by CHONE for 2009, was -16.07 against average by PMR, was -15 by the Fielding Bible’s Plus/Minus system (the 5th worst CF in baseball by that measure), and he was -9 FRAA by Baseball Prospectus’ system. He’s not a good CF, and he’s most definitely not worth Ian Kennedy.

    • Jamal G. says:

      I’m not giving up five, cost-controlled years of Ian Kennedy for one year of Rick Ankiel.

    • Chris C. says:

      I like Jason and all, but don’t shed too many tears for Giambi being “way down the list of priorities” for Oakland. That’s exactly where they were with him when he left.

      What he did to them, talking about how great it would be to play for the Yankees during the last half of his season with the A’s, was crap. Then he bolted even though the A’s had blown their load offering him about 14-15 mill a year.

      His pining for the Yankees, while still wearing an A’s uniform at a time when the two teams were semi-rivals in the playoffs infuriated fans in Oakland. And yes, this did happen……my cousin is a die-hard A’s fan in Oakland, and still wants nothing to do with him.

      Jason, you were always a stand-up guy here in NY, and you certainly seem to be the kind of friendly and fun dude I’d love to have a few beers with………but Karma can be a bitch.

  2. CountryClub says:

    If the Yanks could bring Giambi back next year at like 8 or 10 mil that would be a good deal. He could play that Strawberry type of role. Give him a few starts here and there but really just have his big bat on the bench ready and waiting. The Yanks havent had that kind of bench bat in a long time.

    • jsbrendog says:

      true, because there haven’t been many near washed up veterans/rehabilitated coke and crack heads looking for one last chance and willing to take a bench role. look at some of the “upstanding citizens” the yanks won world series with on their bench, canseco in 200 i believe, strawberry, and im sure there’s at least one other im brain farting on

    • Ron says:

      And who knows, if we wait long enough the price could drop to the $5 mil range, which, if it did, I think Cash would have to do it.

    • Ben K. says:

      $8-$10 M is a big too high for a bench player, but I’d do it at $5M. Remember: The Yanks are already paying Giambi $5M not to play for them next year in a way.

      • andrew says:

        giambi will sign somewhere for a reasonable amount and end up putting up solid power/on base numbers, i think the yankees will miss his production unless swisher really steps up/dunn is signed

    • Matt says:

      I do not think Giambi would do that. He wants to–and still can–play a full season at a starter’s role.

      If I’m Oakland, I try and get Giambi. They save money every other year and were willing to open their wallets for Rafael Furcal so why not Jason Giambi? He’s a patient power hitter who would set the table for Matt Holliday very well. The two of them batting together would give that anemic lineup some much needed pop. The window on the A’s has essentially closed but signing Giambi could open it back up for 2009.

      • Ivan says:

        If the Aneheim miss out on Tex, I can see Giambi going to LA no?

      • Chris C. says:

        “If I’m Oakland, I try and get Giambi. They save money every other year and were willing to open their wallets for Rafael Furcal so why not Jason Giambi?”

        Are you serious?
        Furcal is young, a shortstop, and was having a terrific season last year before the unfortunate injury.

      • They save money every other year and were willing to open their wallets for Rafael Furcal so why not Jason Giambi?

        Umm, did I miss Rafael Furcal signing with the A’s? That rumor is dying, specifically because the A’s refuse to “open their wallets” for Furcal enough for his liking.

        • Chris C. says:

          “Umm, did I miss Rafael Furcal signing with the A’s? That rumor is dying, specifically because the A’s refuse to “open their wallets” for Furcal enough for his liking.”

          I think the guy was implying that they were willing to open their wallets to a significant degree for Furcal. Still, it’s a moot poing comparing the two. They couldn’t be more different.

    • E-ROC says:

      I could see the Mariners giving Giambi a starting gig as their DH.

      • I could also see the Chiba Lotte Marines giving him a starting gig as their DH.

      • Chris C. says:

        “I could see the Mariners giving Giambi a starting gig as their DH.”

        Oh, so could I! This was a team that was doing backflips over the production Jose Vidro was giving them at DH last year.

      • RustyJohn says:

        Would love to see the Big G out here in Seattle- as crappy as the M’s were last year they aren’t that far off from a good year- assuming Bedard is healthy they’ll have a rotation of Hernandez, Bedard, Morrow, Washburn, Ryan Rowland Smith (Silva will eat pine or get traded)- a good bull pen and the following line-up:

        Ichiro
        Lopez
        The Big G
        Beltre
        Branyan
        (Left Fielder)
        Clement
        Reed
        Betancourt

        Would love if they signed Dunn- that would be a fun middle of the order to watch- Branyan, Dunn, Giambi.

    • Chris C. says:

      “Give him a few starts here and there but really just have his big bat on the bench ready and waiting.”

      That’s worth 10 mill????
      I know the Yankees have alot of money and all, but that’s ridiculous.
      The Yankees would set the market for “guys on the bench ready and waiting” at 8 digits per year.

  3. radnom says:

    Eh, nobody in Giambi’s teir has received much interest yet.
    All the talk has been on the elite FA’s and some upper-mid level starters. Releivers as well, since that market is oversaturated.
    Giambi just needs to be patient, the interest will be there.

    • A.D. says:

      really depends on his demands, if he’ll really drop the salary there are plenty of teams that could use a vet power bat to DH & play some 1st.

      • radnom says:

        Well yes, I’m assuming he is not demanding 23 million.

        I’m thinking somewhere around 8 AAV, depending on how long the contract is.

        • A.D. says:

          I was thinking of it more as is he expecting

          13M or so a season (What Thome stands to make this year)
          10M what Thomas made
          5-8 as you suggest. And more in the Alou territory

          He gets down to 5-8 with not many years, he’ll get signed no problem

          • radnom says:

            I think if he wants a multi-year deal, he is going to be in that 7-10 range.

            One year, he might be able to snag 11-13 mil, depends how the market shapes up. I don’t think that would be in his best interest though.

  4. A.D. says:

    There should be plenty of teams that could use him as they either lack a true DH, 1B, or in general need some power:

    Toronto
    Baltimore
    Tampa
    Washington
    Seattle
    Texas
    Oakland
    San Fran

  5. Joe says:

    Giambi is still better than Swisher and I would see if he would do 2/18-20.He’s not a bench bat but you could split him between 1b-dh.Yanks could still use him.

    • steve (different one) says:

      Giambi has drawn almost zero interest and you want to give him 2 years?

      there is almost no chance of that happening.

      • andrew says:

        i dont think it will happen either, but i would want to
        giambi hasnt drawn any interest becuase anyone who is interested in a 1b rather have texiera, but when texiera signs, giambi will sign with one of those teams that missed out. he is a productive player

    • jsbrendog says:

      except swisher plays better defense and 3 more positions. and is younger. and cheaper. so basically the ONLY way giambi is better is in the mustache department and maybe hr power. so you’re wrong

    • Chris C. says:

      “Giambi is still better than Swisher and I would see if he would do 2/18-20.”

      Giambi is older than Swisher, and can’t play defense. He’s a terrible 1st baseman, can’t play the outfield, and is asking for WAY more money than Swisher is due over the next two years.

      How exactly is Gaimbi better at this point?

  6. Manny says:

    I don’t understand what the yankees are thinking. I hope we DON’T get Dunn, he can barely bat .250. Bobby Abreu is so much better at the plate, if we don’t go after tex or manny then we should stick to Abreu!

    • Matt says:

      Let’s compare 2008 for these guys shall we:

      Bobby Abreu: .296/.371/.471, .368 wOBA, 20 homers, 100 batted in, 6.31 RC/27…nice little season. But his walks dropped from 84-73 after dropping from 124 to 84 from 06-07. Not good. Yeah, he stole 22 bases…but he was caught 11 times, basically making his SB contributions useless. Oh and he’s old. And expensive.

      Adam Dunn: .236/.386/.513, .383 wOBA, 40 homers, 100 batted in. 122 walks. 7.38 RC/27. Younger. Cheaper. Better.

      Abreu’s career walk rate: 15.2
      Dunn’s career walk rate: 17.1

      Dunn has hit at least 40 homers in each of the last five seasons. He’s walked 100 times six out of eight pro seasons. He’s driven in 100 in four of the last five years as well. Adam Dunn is a better than Bobby Abreu, younger than Bobby Abreu, and cheaper than Bobby Abreu.

    • I don’t understand what the yankees are thinking. I hope we DON’T get Dunn, he can barely bat .250. Bobby Abreu is so much better at the plate…

      Bobby Abreu, wOBA, 2002-2008:
      ’02- .403
      ’03- .380
      ’04- .423
      ’05- .383
      ’06- .393
      ’07- .360
      ’08- .368

      Adam Dunn, wOBA, 2002-2008:
      ’02- .373
      ’03- .353
      ’04- .403
      ’05- .391
      ’06- .365
      ’07- .399
      ’08- .383

      ————————–

      Bobby Abreu, up until two years ago, was probably a better player than Adam Dunn. Slightly. But he’s not the bat he was anymore. Currently, it’s Dunn by a mile.

      Oh, and Bobby’s also five-and-a-half years older than Adam Dunn. I’d much rather pay for Dunn’s age 29-30-31-32 seasons than Bobby’s age 35-36-37 seasons.

      Not even close.

      • Chris C. says:

        I hear Abreu is smoother with the ladies. That kind of skill translates better in New York.

        The poor guy had just worked his way up to being Jeter’s 1st string wing man!

        • I hear Abreu is smoother with the ladies.

          They don’t call him El Comedulce for nothing, you know…

          That kind of skill translates better in New York.

          Bobby Abreu, meet the New York Mets. New York Mets, Bobby Abreu.

          The poor guy had just worked his way up to being Jeter’s 1st string wing man!

          Derek Jeter, meet CC Sabathia. CC Sabathia, Derek Jeter.

          • Chris C. says:

            “Derek Jeter, meet CC Sabathia. CC Sabathia, Derek Jeter.”

            I can just picture Derek taking CC out on a trial-run:

            Jetes: “Yes, laidies, and this is my boy CC…….yeah, I know he’s a bit on the plump side, but did I mention to you how loaded he is? He’s got so much…..CC, GET YOUR HANDS OFF HER PLATE……YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FRIES COMING! Now, where was I? Oh, man, I lost my place! You disrupted my rap, big boy! You are SOOOOOO West Coast!! No offence man, but if Bobby Abs was here, we’d be knee-deep in racks by now!”

    • Chris C. says:

      “I don’t understand what the yankees are thinking. I hope we DON’T get Dunn, he can barely bat .250. Bobby Abreu is so much better at the plate, if we don’t go after tex or manny then we should stick to Abreu”

      This is a set-up, isn’t it? Who is it specifically that you’re trying to bait?

  7. Bo says:

    A guy who hit 32 dingers ,drove in almost 100, and is great in the clubhouse will not have a problem getting a job as a DH.

  8. Bo says:

    Would it really kill the Yankees to actually have a good, deep bench of real players?

    Would signing Giambi for one yr be a bad thing? You know he would get 400+ at bats as a DH and 1b.

    When you have a payroll of 200+ you should be able to get a talented bench.

    • Ron says:

      Cash is on record as saying that the payroll will not exceed $180 mil in 2009.

    • radnom says:

      How does signing a guy who can only play one position (barely) make for a deep bench?

      Besides, it is irrelevant. The man hit 32 HRs last year and can still get on base like a fiend, nearly made the all star team as well.
      He will get 2 years and a shot at starting from some team, he just has to wait for things to shake out a bit first.

      • andrew says:

        well the reason signing giambi (although i dont see it happening) deepens the bench is because that pushes swisher to a 1b/dh/of role where he could be playing 4 times a week at all different positions

        • Chris C. says:

          “well the reason signing giambi (although i dont see it happening) deepens the bench is because that pushes swisher to a 1b/dh/of role where he could be playing 4 times a week at all different positions”

          Oh, right. Even though the Yankees already have a slew of players who can’t play defense, they still need one more to push Swishwer into a more versatile role!

    • Chris C. says:

      “Would it really kill the Yankees to actually have a good, deep bench of real players?”

      Great……a big fat old bench filled with injury-prone players who can’t pinch-run and who you wouldn’t even want playing defense after they pinch hit.
      How in the world does that help your team?

      You want Giambi taking up a spot on the 25 man roster over someone who can run late in a game for one of the many slow-pokes we have in the line-up, or could be a versatile defensive replacement? No thanks.

  9. Matt says:

    Hell, I’d take him at a discount on the Yanks….but only if he rocks the stach for the full year.

  10. Ron says:

    A guy 38 year old former steroid abuser who hit 32 dingers ,drove in almost 100, and is great in the clubhouse will not have a problem getting a job as a DH.

    Fixed.

  11. Ron says:

    Well, I effed that up.

  12. Manny says:

    Well, Giambi’s bat has been off the last two seasons. We can spend the money somewhere else where it can be more useful. Since the yankees haven’t offered arbitration to Giambi or Abreu it only makes sense that we are going to get a “big” bat this off season. Has a yankee ever played with number 99 on his back? I don’t think Tino would like someone using his number!

  13. Rafi says:

    I was reading Buster Olney’s blog from today(Insider only, sorry) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ney_buster and he said that with not so many teams looking for corner OF/1B/DH types(he counts 6) and an abundance of them(he lists 8+Manny), what should the price be for a guy like Juan Rivera who didn’t even make that list of players? I think that he would be a great low cost/high reward fourth OF.

    • whozat says:

      I’ve been on that train for a while now, though less with Swisher on board because there are fewer ABs to go around and I think he’ll get an offer to play more somewhere else.

      Though…if Tex and Dunn get large-and-ill-advised deals somewhere else (maybe Tex gets 10/200 from the Nats, and Dunn gets Tex’s deal with the Angels or something), and Rivera’s still out there…I could see getting him to mix in at the corners.

    • The 8 he lists:

      Bobby Abreu
      Garret Anderson
      Milton Bradley
      Pat Burrell
      Adam Dunn
      Jim Edmonds
      Jason Giambi
      Raul Ibanez

      In addition to Rivera, what about Cliff Floyd and Eric Hinske? Don’t forget those two.

      In the end, though, Rafi, rather than kicking a few cheap bucks at Rivera, why not kick a few cheap bucks at Jim Edmonds? Yes, he’s a bigger injury risk, but he can passably play CF and probably give us greater roster flexibility than Rivera, I’d say.

      (Although I’d still prefer to sign Tex for 1B and just stick Swisher/Gardner in CF and call it a day, but I digress…)

      • Rafi says:

        Two reasons:
        1. He was a platoon last year since he can’t hit lefties. I think that the Yankees have enough lefty options.
        2. He turns 39 in June.

        And for the record, I’d also be fine with what we’ve got in CF.

  14. MaddMatt says:

    Ankiel > Melky/Gardner

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