Dec
21

What it would take to land Teixeira

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Update (3:00 p.m.): Buster Olney says that the Yanks had an offer on the table but have since pulled it. “They want to cut payroll,” Olney writes, “and basically, they cannot do this if they sign Teixeira.”

It is of course a bad time to cut payroll as Teixeira fills an obvious need. Additionally, as has been pointed out in the comments, the Yanks could withdraw their offer to Pettitte and just commit to Melky and Brett Gardner in the outfield for instant savings. After 2009, enough money is coming off the books that Teixeira makes sense. I’d hate to see them opt out off this signing as they did with Carlos Beltran over a matter of a few million dollars for one season. But as more and more stories come out, I’m less inclined to believe that Teixeira will wind up in the Bronx.

Dan Graziano says we should forget about a Yankee discount. Teixeira is a true Boras client through and through.

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Scott Boras really wants the Yankees to either land Mark Teixeira or at least be more involved in the bidding. As I wrote this morning, the Yanks may be willing to make Teixeira a $160-million, eight-year offer, but it won’t be enough.

Meanwhile, Boras keeps pushing. He has anonymously sourced reports everywhere. Jon Heyman had the Yanks in on Teixeira; Micheal Schmidt in The Times has them interested. But today, Kat O’Brien unveils the most interesting take of all. It seems that Scott Boras is more interested in the Yankees than the Yankees are in Boras and Teixeira for now.

O’Brien reports on what it would take to land Teixeira. She writes:

Despite agent Scott Boras’ efforts to get the Yankees involved in the Mark Teixeira sweepstakes, the Yankees remain on the periphery of the bidding, sources said yesterday…

Two sources confirmed that Boras and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman talked Friday, but they said it was Boras – not Cashman – who initiated contact. One source said Boras gave Cashman an estimate of what it would cost to land Teixeira, a superb defensive and offensive first baseman. The ballpark figure reportedly was about $22 million to $23 million per year on an eight-year contract, for a total of $180 million to $185 million.

The source said Boras wanted to give the Yankees an opportunity to make an offer. The Yankees currently do not have an offer on the table for Teixeira…A source said the Yankees have not ruled out making an offer for Teixeira, saying: “We’re debating it. Some in the organization want to do it.”

That’s, I think, the most accurate picture of where things stand. Boras wants the Yanks involved. Some of the Yankee Front Office would like Teixeira, and there seems to be a bit of a hold up over signing another costly free agent to a very long-term deal. But as things stand with the Red Sox and Angels, Teixeira could New York’s for the taking if they make the right offer.

If the team really is, as The Times noted earlier, willing to go to $160 million, what’s another $2 or $3 million a season anyway?

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • gg

    Olney says the Yanks have not indicated they are willing to pay Tex 160

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      link?

      • Reggie C.

        its up on rotoworld and mlbtr.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Thanks… I’m just being annoying, obviously I know how to find Olney’s articles. I just think people should include links if they’re going to paraphrase sources.

        • Mike Pop

          On Rotoworld it says they are not willing to go more than 160.

  • brockdc

    I don’t think money’s really the issue here; length of the contract is. If he could be obtained on a six-year $150 million deal, I think they’d go for it.

    • Reggie C.

      Hmmm..

      That’d be a 25 million AAS. Maybe you can add a vesting option based on performance for year 7. I don’t know…I’d rather have Manny and his superior production on a 3 year deal. Manny has a real energy to him, and I think he’d get along wonderfully with A-rod and DJ.

      • Ryan S.

        They’d certainly get along wonderfully in the lineup at least.

  • gg

    http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....ID=3785172

    Heard this late Saturday afternoon, again: The Yankees made an offer, but it’s now off the table. They want to cut payroll and, basically, they cannot do this if they sign Teixeira.

    Now, it’s always possible that Teixeira will be offered to them on a platter, the way that Carlos Beltran was a few years ago, for almost $25 million less than what the Mets paid for him. But the Yankees turned down that opportunity, and they almost certainly would do so again in this situation.

    Keep in mind that it behooves Teixeira’s camp to foster the specter of the Yankees’ walking into the negotiations in the 24th hour, at a time when the first baseman is working to cut a deal with their rival, the Red Sox. Boras is trying to give the Yankees a chance to make an offer, writes Kat O’Brien.

    Heard this late Saturday afternoon, again: The Yankees made an offer, but it’s now off the table. They want to cut payroll and, basically, they cannot do this if they sign Teixeira.

    Now, it’s always possible that Teixeira will be offered to them on a platter, the way that Carlos Beltran was a few years ago, for almost $25 million less than what the Mets paid for him. But the Yankees turned down that opportunity, and they almost certainly would do so again in this situation.

    Keep in mind that it behooves Teixeira’s camp to foster the specter of the Yankees’ walking into the negotiations in the 24th hour, at a time when the first baseman is working to cut a deal with their rival, the Red Sox. Boras is trying to give the Yankees a chance to make an offer, writes Kat O’Brien.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      Oh man, why cut payroll now? Why does fiscal responsibility have to a priority THIS offseason, of all offseasons?

      • T-Dizzle

        yea i know i think they should just sign him already and arrange a trade for vernon that fills both of their holes in the field and lineup and that way they have no flaws plus already have a dominant staff

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Was that comment meant to be sarcastic? Honest question.

          • T-Dizzle

            no it was serious ive been on the tex bandwagon since the start of the offseason vernon im not as confident about but i stil think its worth the money to upgrade over melky or gardner

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              If Vernon Wells were a free agent right now, would you support signing him to a contract that would pay him $23 million at age 32 (2011) and $21/season million at ages 33-35 (ending in 2014)? Is THAT worth slotting Wells into CF over Gardner/Melky/unknown option? No, it’s not. That is an unwise and unmovable contract for a player who will be sub-par during those seasons.

              • T-Dizzle

                i liked the trade cuz i figured toronto eating some of the money was a given i dont like it nearly as much if thats not the case i just assumed that it was though

                • Jay CT

                  Hey T-Dizzle. Just curious, how old are you? It seems that sometimes your ideas are more of the fantasy team type and less of understanding the fiscial area. If you are a college age guy, it makes sense as you are yet to enter the “real world” setting up budgets for yourself, your household, and your job. This is no insult at all, I was just curious as it would help explain what your thinking it.

                  From a baseball standpoint, there is no way they would take on that Wells deal. Imagine in 3 years, when he is doing horribly and owed a tremendous amount of money.

                • T-Dizzle

                  1. i am 13
                  2. my older brother is 19 a freshman in college and posts on here all the time and everybody seems to love him but hate me even though neither of us use grammar or punctuation but everyone makes fun of me and not him
                  3. again with the wells trade i was talking as if it was already assumed the yanks didnt have to pay the whole salary sorry for not clarifying
                  4. money i know is important to be smart about but theyre the yankees and richest team in baseball and they are still 30 mill below last year and theyre moving to a new stadium so i would think they could even go past last years level which would mean at least 30 mill to spend and maybe more and everyone always says the new stadium will make them so much more money so i dont get why their payroll should be 30 mill lower

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  13. Yikes. lol. Nobody hates you, people just get all excited and worked-up about this stuff. Don’t take anything personally.

                  Who’s your brother?

                • T-Dizzle

                  i know i mean i dont claim to be as smart as most peeps on here im just giving my 2 cents on topics its just an opinion im not saying everything i say is right and i know a lot of yall know more about all this than me

                  my brother is slugger27

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “my older brother is 19 a freshman in college and posts on here all the time and everybody seems to love him but hate me even though neither of us use grammar or punctuation but everyone makes fun of me and not him”

                  “my brother is slugger27″

                  Don’t worry, everyone freaking hates that guy much more than they hate you. ;-)

                • Jay CT

                  Yeah, although you are climbing the ladder quickly, lol.

                  Nah, but that explains alot. Being 13, you also don’t remember the ’96 team or ’98 team, guys who were really a team and not just a fantasy baseball squad. Damn I feel old…

                • T-Dizzle

                  i think your being sarcastic cuz everyone loves him but its all good i know im not the smartest guy about all this i just want the yankees to win lol

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  “i think your being sarcastic…”

                  I was, it was just a joke.

                • BUCK FOSTON

                  I think looking back on the late 90′s the yanks are hoping they find a Scott Brosius in Nick Swisher and hoping to find something in Melky and/or Gardner (damn that dude is fast) like they did in Bernie. And it makes sense to do so…we already have AROD, Jeter, Mo, CC and AJ and that’s a damn good start to a fantasy team…add in Manny or Tex and the Yanks would be lights out in ’09. I think we do miss a key piece in the lineup and Tex or Manny fulfill that. Remember when Giambi was a feared hitter (still is more or less…but not to the extent of the juice days). Also Matsui is viewed now as like a Strawberry, Chili or Cecil type (minus a few HR’s). Also without Abreu we also miss a lot of OBP and RBI’s as well. Let’s hope the Yankees got/get what they need…but I think it’s gonna be a great year in the Bronx as it is!!!

                • BUCK FOSTON

                  oh i omitted Posada, Cano and Damon to the fantasy team too…not too shabby

        • Steve H

          You’re joking about Wells right? The guy #1 isn’t a great player by any calculations, and isn’t even very good, yet is owed a HUGE contract for the next 6 years. Unless the Jays were going to eat half of his salary, I wouldn’t even think about Wells. He’s a 10-14 million/year player, not 21.

          • T-Dizzle

            i was favoring the trade while assuming that they WOULD eat some of the contract i figured that was a given when talking about a trade for vernon

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              (1) It’s not a given. (2) You should say what you mean, not assume people will magically understand your unstated intent.

              • Jay CT

                Why exactly would a divsion rival give up their CF, and eat salary when they already hate the Yankees?

              • T-Dizzle

                well i figured nobody would even consider trading for him unless they ate some contract its like the matsui situation for us eating contract when discussing a trade is something everybody knows is a condition

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  It’s not hard to say something like “and let team x eat some salary” and then everyone knows what you mean. Words are quite powerful like that. That’s all I’m saying.

                • Jay CT

                  “Eating contracts” is not always part of a trade; in fact, it is the last thing a team wants to do. The lesson you have learned here today is, DO NOT EVER MAKE A MISTAKE ON THIS WEBSITE AGAIN.

            • Steve H

              But they would have to eat half of it, and I’m sure they are not prepared to do that, or anything close to it. Wells is not getting any younger or better, and is regressing in the field. I wouldn’t want him for 6 years no matter the cost, we’d just end up with more old OF’s who don’t justify their salary.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I do NOT want Vernon Wells… But the AAV over the rest of his contract is something around $16 million, not $21 million. It’s just HEAVILY backloaded and he will be paid $23 million in 2011 and $21/season million from 2012 through 2014.

            • steve (different one)

              he’s owed $117M over the next 6 years. that’s $19.5M per year.

              it’s confusing b/c some of the money is a signing bonus, but that money is still owed to Wells.

              the contract is an absolute disaster.

              honestly, NOT helping the Jays with that contract is probably more of a competitive advantage for the Yankees than having Wells play CF for them. that contract is going to cripple the Jays in a few years.

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                I totally missed the signing bonus, my bad. Thanks for the correction.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

          You lost me with Vernon Wells. I thought we had established he was only above average and not worth a $100m+ contract.

          Anyway, my heart wants Teixeira because he’s the spiritual heir to Don Mattingly. #23 was his childhood hero – it’s like his destiny.

          However, my head understands that the Yankees will be alright with either him or Manny, and either acquisition is great. If Manny made David Ortiz, imagine what he’d do protecting a hitter of A-Rod’s stature in the lineup. Also, his signing would be such an epic middle finger to Red Sox fans and management that I can’t wait to see.

          Signing Manny hampers our roster flexibility in OF in the short-term, as Matsui has nowhere to go. Signing Tex probably hurts our roster flexibility in the far future, when someone, like A-Rod or Posada might need to move to 1B. In any case, Tex shouldn’t be in Boston. As Eric Cartman once said, “It’s wrong. It’s WRONG!”

        • bronxb225

          Stretching the payroll to sign Teixeira is one thing, but adding Wells’ monster contract in addition is irresponsible and highly unlikely.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        The Yankees just spent a quarter-billion dollars on a couple of pitchers.

  • gg

    I wanted Tex a lot before the offseason….it really just doesnt make sense though…I feel like we would only be in to keep him out of Boston which maybe someone else will do for us. It would hinder our flexibility too greatly and we can get the offense he provides from a different FA

    • Stryker

      aside from him being locked up long term, how would signing him hinder their flexibility? the yankees have no legit first basemen in the farm system (outside of the prospect of having to move montero there in the future) and let’s be real here – jeter and posada will not be playing first base for this team.

      the outfield for 2009 would consist of nady, a platoon of damon and gardner, and swisher. if anything it gives more flexibility to girardi, allowing him to rest damon and matsui often especially if he experiments with gardner in a full time role.

      yes, adding tex puts a bit of a burden on the team financially – but they’ve got damon, matsui, and hopefully pettitte leaving the team at the end of 2009 which gives them an additional 26 million+ to play with. assuming it will take an 8 year deal to sign him, during tex’s potential tenure with the yankees posada would be long gone, burnett’s 16.5 million/year deal would be up – as would sabathia’s (if he decides to opt out). marte and nick swisher would leave freeing up a significant amount of money. not to mention tex could potentially be making more than a-rod in the final years of his contract.

      signing tex guarantees we have a legit, high caliber first basemen (offensively and defensively) for years to come. i say go for it.

  • Sam

    If they do look at as “only a couple million more per year” then you could easily justify it by the savings in the bullpen…Mo is the only high-priced reliever, with marte a distant second. Everyone else is in arbitration years. I mean, that extra couple mil is 1/2 the annual salary of what farnsworth’s was…

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Farnsworth made $5.5 million in 2008. Marte makes $3.75 million in 2009. Are there other savings in the bullpen? That’s an eye-popping savings of $1.75 million in 2009 (before taking into account any arb-raises to other relievers). You’re justifying an 8-year contract by saying the Yankees are saving (probably less than) $1.75 million because they have Marte and not Farnsworth? There are certainly ways to justify a Teixeira signing, but you’ve got to try harder than that.

      • Sam

        I wasn’t saying the $1.75M savings justifies tex, what i’m saying is $2M per year shouldn’t be the obstacle. If they don’t want to spend >$20M per year for him at all, then ok, but if they’re debating between 22 and 24 per year…

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          I agree that, if they want the guy, a couple of million per year seems like it should be a major obstacle. But you said: “If they do look at as “only a couple million more per year” then you could easily justify it by the savings in the bullpen.” Just responding to what you wrote.

          It’s irrelevant either way. Really, I think I responded because I don’t agree with saying “well we saved money on x, so now we can spend money on y.” You have to look at the big picture. They have a certain budget and if, hypothetically, they’re at their limit, then it doesn’t matter if they saved money in the bullpen. The overall numbers, now and in future years, are what matter.

          • Sam

            I don’t fault you on your response, perhaps I should have made my point more clear. What none of us know is what the budget really is, so we can all point to how they’d like to reduce payroll, or keep it under $200M, etc. We are in the dark completely. They may be able to afford $300M per year. It’s possible, not likely, but who knows what they can afford.

  • Manimal

    Wow,

    DONT go after cameron. Save 10 million.
    DONT resign Pettite. Save 10 million.

    Thats 20 million right there that would bump it up to 8/180

    • Ryan S.

      They can get Pettitte and still make a move for Tex/Manny though. I’m pretty sure these 2 moves are independent of each other though. I agree that they probably stopped looking at Cameron because they’re more interested in a FA bat though.

      • T-Dizzle

        lol u say though alot

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Oh snap, writing-technique BURN by T-Dizzle. lol

        • Ryan S.

          T-Dizzle, you of all people should not be critiquing other people’s typing habits.

          • Steve H

            Maybe he can critique 65hughes, but even that I’m not sure about.

          • T-Dizzle

            just a joke relax dude

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

              pot, kettle; black

              • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Doesn’t mean he’s wrong.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

                  Just that he’s being hypocritical.

                  Those who write in AIM-speak shouldn’t throw stones at those who overuse a sentence structure.

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Eh… Dude, he’s got a point here.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

              An insignificant, pedantic point.

              • Shamus

                How long did it take you to look up pedantic?

                TDiz is 13…. cut him some slack….

      • Manimal

        I was just pointing out that right there is the 20 million that you could give to him if this whole 180/8 shenanigans is true.

        • whozat

          If they’re balking over that amount, I’m pretty sure it’s not about 2009 payroll.

          Also, not signing Andy would be dumb. He’s an important part of the 2009 rotation plans, with Joba limited and Burnett likely to go on the DL.

          Assembling teams of pricey stars hasn’t worked for the last eight years. Why are people clamoring to do the exact same thing again?

          Honestly, I’d have signed Tex in lieu of Burnett, if anything.

          • Steve H

            Honestly, I’d have signed Tex in lieu of Burnett, if anything.

            Completely apples and oranges and certainly not an either or. If we don’t sign Burnett, and then don’t get Tex, we get neither. Shorter term and less AAV, pitching vs. hitting.

          • steve (different one)

            Honestly, I’d have signed Tex in lieu of Burnett, if anything.

            sure, but then you raise the possibility of ending up with neither

            if the Yankees wait on Burnett, he goes to Atlanta.

            now you put yourself in a situation where you go into a Teixeira negotiation and you HAVE to win a bidding war, without knowing how high some teams are willing to go.

            Burnett was in front of you for the taking and he improves your team, sometimes you have to lock that in.

  • TJ

    Tex prefers east coast and prefers Yanks to Boston….closer to MD and the Nats and Orioles are hopeless….he does want to win.
    Despite the Boras factor…if the Yanks are close they can have him….much like the beltran situation.

    • T-Dizzle

      how do u know he likes the yanks better than sox

      • Steve H

        good question. I’d like to know the answer to that one as well.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

          Don Mattingly was his childhood hero?

    • Stryker

      i find it hilarious that players come to the yankees in the name of “having the best chance to win” – yet it hasn’t happened in 8 years.

      • Steve H

        East Coast. Big Money. Chance to win. That certainly describes Boston and New York pretty equally, and for that last 8 years tilts towards Boston. I still want to know where the “prefers Yanks to Boston” came from.

      • T-Dizzle

        they do win just not the world series they made the playoffs every year of my life lol thats winning if u ask me

        • Stryker

          “they do win just not the world series they made playoffs every year of my life lol thats winning if u ask me”

          1 – punctuation is your friend.

          2 – they’ve made the playoffs every year of your life — except this one.

          2 – ask derek jeter if he believes he was part of a “winning” team the last 8 years. i’d like to hear his answer.

          • Stryker

            not to mention the yankees finished third in the AL East in 2008.

      • christopher

        how can you say that when the team made the playoffs in 7 of those 8 years including 2 WS apearances and a game 7 of the ALCS.

        the playoffs are a crapshoot and the pitching as constituted is the best staff they have had since 2003 thus improving their chances of winning

  • 27 this year

    off-topic but Chris Britton signed with teh Padres.

    Its up on mlbtr

    • Steve H

      He’ll probably dominate, NL in the best pitching park in baseball. Happens to a lot of castoffs when they go to SD.

      • christopher

        san diego is the best organization in baseall at turning average relievers into studs – it has always been a strength of theirs

        • Steve H

          Is it a strength of theirs, or a reflection on Petco? Petco is far and away the best pitching park in baseball, no other park is even close.

          • Ryan S.

            I’ve always heard The Cardinals have the best organization is regards to getting the most out of their pitching, particularly their starters. No clue if San Diego has a rep for being exceptional with their bullpen. Hoffman had very good home/away splits, but I think some of the their current relievers do not.

            • Steve

              Spitballs and sandpaper.

              Have you ever seen Shelly Duncan at the plate? How smart could his Dad be?

          • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Petco certainly plays a part, but I think most of it has to do with the front office’s willingness to give relatively unkown pitchers with decent-to-good stuff and the willingness to throw strikes a shot. See Bell, Heath.

    • Alan

      Good for him, he never really got a fair shot in NY. I hope he does well there.

    • steve (different one)

      they signed him to be the new Friar mascot.

  • Michael

    With the Yankees of signing of CC & AJ they put themselves right back in position to win, at the very least the American League East. If they sign Tex, and have that one, two punch in the heat of their lineup,they, at the very least win the American League East easily!

    • christopher

      exactly why they should bite the bullet this offseason and take advantage of the down market for this season and the future of the organization. they can set themselves up to be a powerhouse for the next 5 years by going a bit over budget.

      At this point losing their 3rd and possibly 4th round picks by signing a couple more free agents wont be the end of the workd for the farm system as this year’s draft is viewed as a weak one

    • JeffG

      I think we have a great shot next year but I wouldn’t say we’ll win easily. Did you watch Tampa last year? They are a pretty complete team. Boston isn’t any joke either. If you take a look at the three rotations, I’d say they are pretty close. And the Rays are so young you’d suspect that they get better – no?
      It’s going to be a battle.

  • christopher

    i would much prefer manny because of the short term contract that would be required. I have read a couple of times in the past that there is a lot of speculation that the phillies will not be able to keep ryan howard once he becomes a free agent. I am not advocating that they wait for him specifically, but there are some quality guys at that position that will become available a few years from now.

    Giambi’s contract hurt the yankees moreso because of the roster space he took up than the money he made. During their run from 1996-2001 the yankees had a roster that was flexible year in and year out which allowed them to add players like cecil fielder, david justice, chili davis, tim raines etc. Since then it seems as though they have been unable to add an impact bat midway through the season or even in the offseason (Arod not withstanding). Long term contracts make the roster very stagnant and leaves little manuevarability for the GM because its near impossible to trade a player who has 5 or 6 years left on his contract.

    That being said, if the yankees really want Tex are they going to let an extra 2 million stand in the way? I understand that they want to trim payroll, but this is not the ideal offseason for them to do this with all of the free agent bargains around the league especially when you consider that that potentially 30 million more will come off the payroll after this season. Add to that Jeter’s contract soon expiring – I dont see him getting the same AAV salary that he currently gets.

    If the yankees are willing to let pettite walk and give the job to Hughes/Aceves/Kennedy and are planning to let matsui and damon walk after this season then they are in position to upgrade the offense by simply taking a one year hit on their salary which isnt such an aweful thing when you consider that they are saving money this year by not having to contribute to revenue sharing.

    If they want Tex, than up the offer by 24 million over 8 years (an extra 3 million per year) possibly backloading it a bit so that he makes a little bit less this season. Personally, I would prefer them taking a shot at Manny Ramirez and Rocco Baldelli (if his condition is not as serious as thought he could be a major bargain).

    Ihave also read speculation that Fuentes may only command a contract in the 5-6 million per year range and wouldnt mind setting up. If that is the case, the yankees should jump into that as well. He would give them a spectacular 1-2 punch with excellent match-up pitchers for the rest of the game.

    Basically, I am hoping that the yanks take a hit on the payroll this season and look to upgrade their team for the future. If Manny or Tex are not in the cards there are still players like Baldelli, Dunn, and burrell. that’s not to mention players who could be available via trade – perhaps nick johnson if the Nats sign Tex.

    It is the perfect storm for the yankees right now. The door for Tex has been left open, manny is available, and there are a lot of complimetary players who will get contracts for far below market value. Their outfield may be set for this year, but next season they will be desperate for outfielders and agents will know it – forcing the yankees to pay a premium, one they wont have to pay this season. The yankees have the money to get good young talent for years to come and while I am not enamored with the idea of giving any position player an 8 or 9 year deal, if there is a guy i trust to be consistant for them it is texiera. Ante up this year and just allow the payroll to take care of itself next year as it will drop down simply by more expiring contracts – If they go into this season with a 215 million dollar payroll, it will be 185 next season without any trades needing to be made.

    • Stryker

      a few issues with your ideas here:

      1 – why go after burrell? i like him, but he’s another one of those OF/DH types that the yankees have had FOR YEARS except this time it will cost 10+ mil a year to have him.

      2 – nick johnson? i think his time is up in pinstripes. have we forgotten we DO have a backup plan in case we lose out on tex?! swisher > johnson.

      3 – going after brian fuentes for 5-6 mil per? i think we’ve learned by now that the key to an outstanding bullpen is to NOT overpay for relievers (kyle farnsworth says sup) and to let it be a reflection of the pitching depth the farm system has accrued. we just signed marte at 4 mil per to boot.

      4 – as much as i am a fan of having tex on this team at all costs, let’s be realistic and look to the future:

      after the 2009 season the yankees’ outfield will be in shambles. nady, damon, and matsui will be free agents. with the OF talent on the FA market at the end of next season, the yankees will no doubt have to pay a premium for SOMEONE.

      that said, holliday could very well command 18+ mil AAV and if the yankees are interested enough, they’d have to pay it. while the yankees do have contracts expiring this offseason and next, adding teixeira and a high priced OF at the end of 09 will further bloat the payroll.

      • A.D.

        The OF will loose talent next year, but if they sign Tex now they can still go Swisher, AJAX (if he isn’t ready trade/sign a non big free agent, essentailly this year’s mike cameron deal), BG.

        Yes it won’t be an incredibly productive OF (unless AJAX and BG come into their own), but they will have one of the most productive infields in the game, so they can afford to go this route.

      • christopher

        i was just throwing out names that could improve the team to demonstrate the decreased salarie that these players would get. I am ot necessarily in love with those paticular players – just pointing out that witht he yankees spending poer they can rally takr advantge of the low market this season.

        your points are absolutly valid. it doesnt have to br those particular players…i am simply pointing out that this is an offseason that the yanks can clean up with all the bargains. its the Marshalls version of frr agrny

    • Currambayankees

      Say NO to Howard, yeah he’s a prolific HR hitter but he sucks at D and is a strike out machine. NO Howard!!!!!!!!!!

  • JeffG

    If coming into the off-season the goal was to improve our defense and get younger than the idea of letting Tex go and signing Manny is silly. At the end of the 8 years Tex will be the same age as Manny is now.
    Letting Abreau and Giambi go is fine with me but it would make me feel a lot better if we replaced some of that production with a guy that fits. Lets do that with a guy that is one of the best at fielding his position.
    Also, by taking Tex away from Boston we strike twice… it seems like a no-brainer.

    • Ryan S.

      The goal is to win, period. The overall philosophy is to get younger and have better defense. Despite Ramirez being older and worse on defense, he does give us more overall flexibility since he’d be on the team for only 3 years as opposed to 8. Most importantly, adding Ramirez to the lineup gives us the best chance to win in 2009.

      Watch what happens in 2010 when Matsui and Damon are gone and AJax is in CF, and maybe even Jeter moves into LF and we get a new SS. This team is going to get a whole lot younger in the future.

      • JeffG

        I disagree that Manny gives us a better chance to win. Our outfield and 1B will be pretty sad. Plus, I don’t even want to think about what Manny will be like at 39.

        • Ryan S.

          1B is going to be held mainly by Nick Swisher – big upgrade. Our outfield is going to be juggled by Damon/Nady/4th outfielder (Gardner or Cabrera)/Manny/Matsui. All of them can play OF, and Damon/4th outfielder can play CF, and Swisher could play any spot in the OF in a pinch. The roster is flexible enough to make this happen, and the offense Manny provides makes it worth the juggling act.

          • JeffG

            Anyone is going to be an upgrade over Giambi but there is no argument that Texiera is much better at the position than Swisher. We have plenty of outfielder/DH types already so we really don’t need to pile on top of that for flexibility sake.

        • christopher

          what indication has manny given that he is slowing down with age and still wont be productive in 3 years. the guy is a special talent – the type of talent that comes along very infrequently. look at mlb now. at age 36 manny is still one of the top 5 hitters in baseball and has been his entire career. when you look back at this generation you will think ARod, Pujols, Bonds and Manny. he is not only a hall of famer but arguably one of the top 20 hitters to ever play the game. he is still in fantastic shape – better shape than he was when he signed with boston – and is the most clutch player that i have ever seen.

          we watched him for 8 years play against us for boston. in that time was there ever a hitter that made you more nervous as a yankee fan? I certainly cannot hink of one

  • Virginia Yankee

    The Yankees can do a lot of stupid things because they seem inexpensive or leave options openm for the future cheap — Dunn, Ramierez, etc or they can pay up a little for a samrt deal like Teixeira.

    One hopes Cashman and Steinbrnner learned from the Beltran/Williams/Crosby/Sheffield/Guererro/Ordonez fiascos — but then Cashman is not in the Theo Epstein clas of GMs — and so infromed work hard at a club improving deal.

    If so he must be at least bright enough to not play into Bor–ass–es hand and drive up the price.

    • Stryker

      Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

      • Steve H

        Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God Mo
        have mercy on your soul.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I’ll enter an early vote right now, just in case there’s ever a vote, that we retire that quote due to overuse.

        • RichYF

          Only if we can retire the “XXXX says hello” meme.

    • gg

      I hate these ideas that epstein is soooo good of a GM, Yeah he won a world series but he traded away Hanley Ramirez, the best player in the MLB. I dont care if they won in ’07 thats a bad trade

      • Ryan S.

        They got back Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell in that deal…so…yeah, it was a good trade. Seriously, those were 2 integral pieces in that 2007 world series. It was definitely a good trade.

        • Simon B.

          So were Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan in the ’06 World Series. Walt Jocketty is a genius!

          Yes, in hindsight, you can say it worked out, but I think the Marlins clearly got the better value in that trade. I believe, if you add up all the VORP (for ease of use) between them, Hanley comes out on top against both Lowell and Beckett, and he’s still young, cost-controlled, and getting better.

          That said, Epstein didn’t make that trade. He was temporarily gone from the organization after slipping out on Halloween in a gorilla suit. That was a Lucchino trade, and Epstein was said to have despised it.

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            That said, Epstein didn’t make that trade

            No, but he did give a 31 year old Nancy Drew a 5/$70 contract, and Drew missed 22 games the 1st year and 53 games in the 2nd year, so let’s see how that plays out. People on this board would be killing Cash if he made that signing.

      • Steve

        “Yeah he won a world series but he traded away Hanley Ramirez, the best player in the MLB. I dont care if they won in ‘07 thats a bad trade”

        . . . . . . . . . http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg

      • Rich M

        Theo wasn’t the GM at the time of this trade. This took place after he sneaked away in the gorilla outfit and before they talked him into coming back.

      • gg

        yea, thats right, my mistake….but even had they won in 07 and 08 I’d still say bad deal….Hanley is a straight stud, you cant trade someone that good and not have it rubbed in your face…We traded Soriano a player not as good to get the best player in the world at theat time. Even without a ring to show I’ll say thats a better trade. Other factors rather then just these players need to be considered in the rings won and not won.

    • A.D.

      What was the Ordonez fiasco?

    • christopher

      good point – texiera could turn out to be beltran all over again where the yankees spend the next 5 years wishing they had signed him. i really think things would have turned out a lot differently in recent years had they signed beltrn and vlad, but that illustrates the danger of locking a player up to an 8 year deal. had they not had giambi on the roster taking up space at near 20 million pper, then beltran would have been a no brainer.

      i have wathced theo epstein and his philosophy of not giving out deals over 5 years and I think that it has worked out well. as much as tex’s talent intigues me, i would rather take the better hitter who is money in the clutch in the short term. there are a lot of very good firstbasemen who will become available in the next 5 years – howard, gonzalez, fielder to name just three.

      a talent like ramirez doesnt come along too often. the last time someone of that talent came around the yankees jumped on him and his enormous contract and gave up a perenial 40/40 threat at a weak position to get him

      • Currambayankees

        No the reason they didn’t get Vlad was George signed Shef and the reason they didn’t get Beltran was again because George wanted Johnson. If Cash had his was both Vlad and Beltran would be Yankees.

  • mo from the OC

    If we sign Teix and Pettitte this year I think it would really be helping the team for the future. Alright, we will be up to 215 million but next year Nady, Damon, Matsui come off the books next year leaving us at 170 mil. Phil Hughes will be more ready than ever to occupy the 5th spot in the rotation. Swish to Right field, Ajax in Center, than sign a free agent OF to occupy left field…or who knows what Gardner will do this year he might be a player (doubt it). That will leave the DH spot open aswell which would be good for the aging players. Signing Manny to a three year deal would be going agaisnt the youth movement very much so, Teix is really a better call.

    • Dirt

      “That will leave the DH spot open aswell which would be good for the aging players. Signing Manny to a three year deal would be going agaisnt the youth movement very much so”

      That seems a bit contradictory to me. Why not put Manny in the DH spot then?

      • Reggie C.

        If Manny isn’t an improvement over Abreu in the OF, then is his defense so inferior that he’s simply a DH at this point. I dont think so. Manny can still play a corner OF spot, as he’s done his hole career, on a mediocre level. Manny wants to play all-around.

        • Ryan S.

          Plus in 2010 with Matsui and Damon gone, Manny can have DH all to himself while we improve the OF with AJax and two other guys. How do you guys think Jeter’s range would be in LF?

    • Reggie C.

      The youth movement argument isn’t applicable b/c we’re talking about position players here. ASIDE from Jackson, there isn’t another Yankee farm hand who looks like he’s a starter. Gardner and Melky are fourth OF hands … i don’t care what Melky’s OBP is in the DWL.

      Signing Manny doesn’t affect the freaking youth movement. If anything, it gives the farm more time to churn out a ML quality player. And since you’re stuck on the “youth”, you can’t say a Tex signing would have the same effect. Montero could very well end up a 1B/DH type, and though he’s not fast-tracked, if his bat keeps improving he’ll be knocking on the door by early 2011. You can’t keep a great hitting prospect down for too long.

  • Rich M

    Dont you think that the Yankees are looking at the big picture and realize that they have to start paying back the billion dollars they have borrowed in tax free bonds? I understand that they can deduct the payments from the revenue sharing, but with the estimated increased revenue it becomes a wash. I am not sure of the terms to pay back these loans but even if its over 30 years thats roughly 35 million a year. They have to account for these payments, and maybe keeping payroll on budget is thier means.

  • gg

    I’m so back and forth on the whole Tex thing…one minute it seems like a good idea, the next it doesnt…but if we do and we put swish in a corner, we have two positions filled with young, high obp guys….the important thign is that they add an impact bat which I really dont know that they will

  • JeffG

    I’m looking forward to the day when balls hit to our outfield don’t drop in so much. Hurry up Ajax. Forget Manny.

    • Ryan S.

      Maybe in 2010 we can have an outfield of Cabrera – AJax – Gardner! That would be an amazing defensive outfield, so its gotta be a great idea right?

      • gg

        If we got Manny he’d DH in 2010 if not as soon as ’09

      • gg

        If we got Manny he’d DH in 2010 if not as soon as ’09

        • Ryan S.

          Yup, he’d be DH/LF in ’09 and pure DH in ’10. I was being sarcastic in the above post though, trying to point out that defense isn’t everything.

          • JeffG

            Defense isn’t everything but I think that it’s just kind of weak to act like its nothing. Isn’t that a big part of why Bobby is kind of locked out at the moment?

            • Mike Pop

              Bobby is nowhere near the hitter Manny is. If Manny was looking for Abreu money, he would have 20 offers on the table.

              • JeffG

                No one would argue that. I’m arguing Texiera over Manny.

        • christopher

          what makes yopu think that msnny id penciled in at DSH in 2010? he is still at least ana avergage fielder and better than what we have had to put up with with abreu,

          he offers the flexibility the play in th OF if need be alowing them to sign a DH. i see the 2010 OF being craword in LF Ajax in center and nady in right; although they will have the option to plsy msnny in right nd sign a true DH.

          for all his googyness, he still works damn hard at his craft and ould play an adequete RF for the duration of the three year contract. Add the range of crawford and AJAX in center, he could be fine in RF at age 39

      • JeffG

        I would never propose such a thing. But I would suggest adding a bat that can also play defense is a much better idea than just a bat. Texiera and Damon in left is better in my eyes than Manny and Swisher at first.
        If your corner outfielders are going to be Damon and Nady this year and hopefully upgraded to lets say a Holliday or Bay next year that is a much better plan in my book.
        Keep in mind that Swisher needs to bounce back big for your play for Manny to prove better than going after Tex.
        Also thanks for pointing out that an outfield of our home grown players would potentially be lethal, even though I already knew that, perhaps that could be a complete idiot who doesn’t.

        • JeffG

          there… duh (just an idiot with the writing).

  • ryan

    IF they pass on Tex for money reasons and trade for Wells im really gonna scratch my head over their reasoning. Even manny, a guy i never wanna see in pinstripes, would make more sense. If the yanks wanna add another bat I say sign Tex, He’s younger, more defensively minded while maintaining an explosive bat , A switch hitter and perfect number 3 hitter. Everyone wants the yanks to sign every big free agent allstar calibur player on the market at any cost. I guess Its a good thing not everyone is the GM of the New York Yankees. There comes a point where you wanna see the yanks win without paying every player on the team north of 20 mill.

  • deadrody

    Ridiculous. If they let Texeira go to save a pathetic $2-3 Mil per year I will be PISSED. Talk about short sighted thinking.

    • Simon B.

      The definition of shortsighted thinking is thinking in terms of “AAV.”

      • Steve

        Why? Do the Yanks expect their revenues to decline sometime soon? Or are they on the verge of going out of business altogether?

        If not, the AAV in relation to the annual budget makes all sorts of sense. Cashman keeps talking about this years payroll, which is the total of the AAV’s of all his contracts for this season.

        What exactly is the downside?

        • Simon B.

          That isn’t what I was questioning (though that too, seems like a presumptive and foolhardy way of looking at things). A contract isn’t about AAV. It’s about the total money.

          The downside is losing $180 million (which, I think somebody already has that on the table, Boras just wants the Yankees to go up there to raise the initial bid).

          • Steve

            I know agents and players look at it that way, but players have short careers. The Yanks as a franchise aren’t going anywhere.

            Now I’ll give you another chance to answer my question, despite the fact you called it “presumptive and foolhardy”. Tell me why they shouldn’t look at these things on an annual basis, being the highest revenue team in the sport.

        • Rich M

          while their revenue may not decline, it may not be as high as originally estimated. because of the economic down turn companies are slashing their advertising budgets. They lost GM but gained Toyota I believe, but are they getting the same dollars? This is the info we are not privey to.

          • Steve

            Heh, you just used the word “Privy”. That makes you a sissy boy.

            Not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course.

          • JeffG

            Also Audi… in hard economic times people still watch their teams on the tube so there might be a small pinch but it shouldn’t be as pronounced as in other areas of the economy. Also, NY Lotto commercials will not likely to be going anywhere anytime soon (as much as I hate that).

        • christopher

          shoulnt be one. msnny would add tp theiregulsrseason publicity and ratings and bring thrm furthrt into the post season equaling improved revenues.

          think of manny on two fronts – one to improve the team, andsecond to improve revenus

    • ryan

      actually they’ll be saving 180mill or more over the next 8+ yrs….lets not downplay this contract. Knowing the yankees and Boras, Tex will probably run 8yrs 200 mill.

    • christopher

      if they let him go, i dont think itwould be for th 2-3 million
      AAV but moreso because of the legnth of a contract. think about the team the past decade – they stopped winning when they started to give out long term contracts (mussina dn giambi). In today’s game lolng tem deals are r=death to an organization as it leaves little to no flexibility at that position and. or th DH spot.

      Remember that jeter and AARod are both getting uo there id age

  • Steve

    Just paid a ticket online, and saved a trip to the 4th circle of He . . I mean the DMV.

    I can’t begin to tell you how happy that makes me.

    • JeffG

      DMV ultimate hell no doubt.
      Have you ever waited in line for chicken fingers at the stadium? A smaller hell that I will not put myself through again. Dumb in the first place. Man I get pissed just thinking about it.

      • Steve

        You mean waiting in a 20 minute line to get crap food that costs triple what you would pay anywhere else? And missing a humongous Daryll Strawberry HR while on was on that stupid line? And then they didn’t have any mustard left?

        Nope, can’t say I have. I’ve blocked it out completely. PTSD, I think.

        • JeffG

          Ouch… your experience tops DMV hell.

          Pray that the new stadium was built with a little foresight – perhaps have a fryer big enough to serve more than ten people every half hour? Also, I’m not expecting it but if they hired some people who were not undercover sloths in human form that would be amazing.

          • Steve

            Not nearly as bad as a playoff game I went to. WAYYYY in the upper deck, and spent the entire evening picking half dead flies out of my hair and flicking them off my jacket. You see, the flies fly directly into the lights, get stunned, and fall straight down. Ive never sat up there, so I didn’t know this.

            This is why some of us were never against building the new stadium.

  • emac2

    I would go to 10 years for Tex at 200 mil. The last two years can also be player options at 10 mil to turn it into a 18-180 if he stay productive.

    I think we do need to sign Tex. I don’t see any interesting free agents next year and after losing Giambi and Abreu this year we will not be in a position to also lose Damon, Matsui and Nady. I also don’t want to sign any of them for 15 mil when i could have had Tex for 20 or 22 had I planned ahead.

    Manny for 1 year at 30 mil also works. It gives him top dollar this year while waiting for the market to improve next year.

    • A.D.

      Ron Gettlefinger is that you?

    • Steve

      For 300 mil, we could just buy the Padres and then trade Jake Peavy+Adrian Gonzalez to ourselves. Might even save a few bucks on the deal.

      This is how John Rockefeller built Standard Oil, my friends. It works.

      • emac2

        That would be a great idea but like all great ideas the stupid league would get in the way.

      • gg

        sheer genius

      • Mike Pop

        Then we could trade the good prospects we deal to them back to us for Matsui and Eric Duncan. We add talent and cut payroll for this year !!!!

        • Steve

          Matsui? Why give our AAAA affiliate anyone who can help us this year?

          Son, you need head back to the drawing board. You’re still acting like they have something to say about these things.

        • Mike Pop

          I would think about dealing Peavy to the Braves to help re-stock the farm system.

          • Steve

            Only if he refuses to go to the bullpen.

  • gg

    I know a lot of people want to think we are just going to okay a figure at the last possible minute and get Tex but I think we all should be more realistic. Right now Tex is more interested in us(just for leverage) than we are in him. We dont even have an offer out.

    If we do want him though; the new stadium is such a plus. That locker room is like a luxury spa. Who wouldnt take a mill less a year to call that place your office and meanwhile the sawx play in a f*kin dump

    Also nobody has talked about the advertising adv’s of NY over anywhere else and this guy seems as though he would care about that

    But like I started my post, I wouldnt count on it

  • christopher

    T Dizzle

    If it is any consolation to you, while I dont like the idea of trading for wells, I do agree that cutting payroll this year is not the best course of action. The yankees have always had the benefit of deep wallets on their side and that advantage has been magnified this offseason. Just look at the CC and AJ negotions. Nobody else was in on CC and apparently with AJ the yanks only had the braves to contend with. This is an offseason where they can make a killing on the FA market. It is my hope that the yanks take next season into account when thinking about payroll. If they were to sign Tex, Manny, or some other combination of free agensts totalling 25 million (i.e bradley and dunn) they would be faced with one season of a bloated payroll as the damon and matsui contract would make up for increase in this years payroll. If they were to go into this season with a 215 million dollar payroll – next year they could be below the 200 million dollar threshold with a younger roster

  • Mike

    This is what happens when a team needs to overpay to get the players they want. This isn’t like playing GM on your PS3. We can’t sign every free agent on the board to monster contracts. Even here, there is a tipping point.

  • emac2

    If we trade Swisher, and don’t sign Pettitte or trade for Cameron we pay for Tex immediately.

    I also think he would mean more to the team than those 3.

    We don’t have to spend more we just have to spend more wisely.

    We could trade Cano, Wang, Nady & Swisher for Kemp, Kershaw and Adrian Gonzales while not signing Pettitte or trading for Cameron. This would save us enough to sign Hudson, give us Gonzales instead of Tex and leae us enough to sign Manny for the same money.

    The point is we can afford to sign anyone using the budget blueprint in the press and just have to find a wiser use than Pettitte and Cameron.

    Damon
    Jeter
    Arod
    Gonzales
    Manny
    Matsui
    Posada
    Hudson
    Kemp

    CC
    Burnett
    Joba
    Hughes
    Aceves
    Kershaw
    Kennedy

    Rivera
    Bruney
    Marte
    Melancon
    Robertson

    • Steve
    • gg

      We could trade Cano, Wang, Nady & Swisher for Kemp, Kershaw and Adrian Gonzales

      No. Not even almost.

      • Shamus

        I’m out of weed.

        Apparently, you have a great connection.

        Mind sharing?

        If not, put down the PS3 controller and back away….

      • emac2

        Cano and Wang > Kemp and Kershaw, especially with Torre.

        Nady and Swisher doesn’t get you Gonzales but throw in a handful of pitching prospects and some cash and you have something to to work with.

  • ryan

    Jesus Montero future yankees 1B

  • Count Zero

    I remain somewhat ambivalent on signing Tex.

    On the one hand — I recognize the rarity of a 28 year old FA switch-hitter who is putting up 150 OPS+ over the last couple of seasons and is a terrific defensive player.

    On the other hand — I also recognize what we are talking about is giving an eight-year deal for $23MM per to a guy who has a career OPS+ of 134 and has hit 40 HRs once (in a bandbox park).

    That’s a sure HOFer, superstar type contract. It’s the type of contract you give to DJ (last time around) or an ARod because you’re pretty sure there’s no way you won’t want them around for the entire eight years. I’m not 100% convinced Teixeira is that kind of player?

    If he played a key defensive position (Beltran is a good example there), I might be swayed by that. But as it is — he’s great defensively at what is the least important defensive position on the field (other than pitcher).

    As I’ve said all along, I’ll be happy to get him, but I won’t be heartbroken if they don’t. I’d be perfectly happy with Manny for three. (Red Sox envy doesn’t sway me either.) I honestly don’t think sticking with the lineup as currently constructed is all that good an option though, so something needs to happen.

  • A.D.

    Angels pulled out

  • ryan

    every team should offer Tex 8yrs 160 and say pick one. Shocked the Angels are out

  • JackHammer

    At the end of the day, the Yankees have terrible management that are bailed out by a 200 mil budget. Don’t drop 100 on Beltran and spend 50 on Damon (dumb). Don’t spend 100 on Dice-K and spend 50 on Igawa (dumber). Don’t spend 23/year for one of the best 3 first basemans in the game and spend 16.5/year for one of the most inconsistent pitchers on the market (dumbest).

    Face it. If NY wasn’t one of the richest cities in the world the Yankees would be in the cellar looking up the Orioles.

    • Mike Pop

      Stop talking forever

      • JackHammer

        Just aggravated at obvious incompetence.

        • Mike

          It’s not our fault that Cashman doesn’t know how to spend on payroll. The good thing is when he realizes when he made a mistake he tries to get rid of it. Too bad the Padres wouldn’t bite on Igawa + Melky.

  • bronxbrain

    Someone has probably already addressed this, but I haven’t heard, so I’ll ask it myself: Would Manny be willing to DH exclusively in 2009? To me, that’s the single biggest factor in whether signing him would be a smart or not-smart move. Having Manny in left and Damon in center would be a disaster that wouldn’t be offset by Manny’s bat. On the other hand, Manny as DH at 3/65 sounds irresistible.

    • kenthadley

      Manny would do anything if the price is right……..to get a contract….after we sign it, then it will be a different story depending on his moods….

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  • Currambayankees

    I’m just hoping the Yankees don’t make the same mistake they made with Beltran by not signing a player of need. Many want 1st base held for Jeter or Arod or Posada, why would you hold a position on which you have a chance to sign a gold glover for someone who is probably going to be ave there at best? We’ve seen Posada at 1st and he is not even a ave 1st baseman right now. Arod will be at 3rd for quite a while and really won’t need to move to 1st because he’ll be a DH. I don’t see Jeter as a great 1st baseman in either D or O. Make Boras a take it or leave it offer of 185.

  • thisisthedavid

    What about another Opt out clause? in the 4th or 5th year? and offer him per year up front… instead of overpaying for manny who might be an every other year player now.. He was awful in 07 and can’t play a position…

  • Grover

    Though I fear Texeira’s number of years and Manny’s attitude, I would attempt to trade some of our surplus and go with Gardner and Cabrera in center, Damon for his leadoff ability in LF, Manny in RF and a Duncan/Miranda platoon at DH to make it happen. They would be bumped when rest is required for Damon, Manny or Posada. I was thinking the Mariners have holes at 1B, DH and LF and we could offer Matsui, Swisher, Nady and Igawa for Bedard and Clement and/or prospects. Sign Pettite, slot Bedard at No. 5 and move Joba to the 8th inning. Hughes and Kennedy have an opportunity to slot in behind injured Burnett and Bedard or simply replace Pettite and Bedard at season’s end. The yanks can pick up a couple of rentals at the trading deadline if Gardner and/or Melky flop. The numbers might fit the Yankee Brass’ limits.

    Damon
    Jeter
    Texeira
    A-Rod
    Manny
    Posada
    Cano
    Miranda/Duncan
    Gardner/Cabrerra