Dec
18
Yanks make offer to Manny purple monkey dishwasher
ByFunny how quickly this:
The [unnamed baseball] official believes that the Yankees are “going hard” after Ramirez, to the point where they are willing to give him a three-year deal worth from $22 million to $25 million per year.
Turns into this:
The New York Daily News has already reported the Yankees have a three-year, $66 million offer out to Manny.
Thanks, Cafardo, for totally and completely playing telephone with this one.
h/t Tim.
Oh, and this is the open thread for tonight. So discuss away.
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Not a bad offer and probally would get it done if it was true, however at 22m per why not get tex.
Dubious obviously. Not that all the negotiations are transparent, but my thought would be an initial 2-year offer, and see who else has something to say about it. The Angels would probably be the only contender, besides the Yanks, and it’s doubtful they’d want to commit to Manny, as they’ll probably let Vlad walk after next year. Just like some of us salivate over the A-Rod/Manny 3-4, Vlad/Manny would still be formidable, but for one year?
There’s surely no chance of him returning to Boston, and there isn’t a DH opportunity in the NL, so would Manny really while away his last years on a non-contending team?
Maybe the Rays, if they’re feeling extra frisky, as they’re looking for a DH type bat, but I don’t think they’ll shell out the $$.
Curious to see where he ends up, but Boras might just end up overplaying his client into a 2 year deal.
Tex is for 8+ years, Manny is only for three
I would LOVE to have Tex for the next 8 years.
makes you wonder if boras is going to push/manipulate this situation and push tex to boston so that manny has more options available to him
The yanks should hold tight for these reasons
1. Damon and Nady come off the books next year freeing up 2 spots in the OF.
2. Why would Manny fit here? Posada hates him, he will be an awful influence on Cano and melky and who knows what will be available by the trade deadline. If boston signs Tex they will be locked into a few BIG contracts, possibly taking them out of a big free agent signing next season. LA will have Vlad and Lackey as FA’s and will need to resign them for big $ (less vlad but still a good amount) leaving us with Holiday from the A’s. Let more cash come off the books and build the pitching!
What about the Dodgers? Do they have an offer out? If so what is it?
The Dodgers have no formal offer on the table.
same 2/45 that has been reported
I’m pretty sure they withdrew that offer.
Im purty sure if Manny wants that deal with LA it would reappear.
Awfully playing telephone
Rare is the time that playing telephone isn’t awful.
You take that back right now!
Anyone read up about the rumor of Swisher paying Bruney for #33, and Bruney switching to #38?
OMFG we need teh manny to make up for gay rodzz. Manny always hits in teh chutch and arod will probably hit like 65 homerz wif manny protectering him!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm…the sarcasm is less apparent in lower-case letters.
Protectering…heh
Mark Teixeria might sign with Boston tonight:
http://www.thebostonchannel.co.....etail.html
fuck!
…obviously Boras will call Cashman to give him one last chance to make an offer.
lets hope
Tony
Teix is a Red Sock if that is the offer
But can he catch?
you think Teixeria might pull a Beltran, giving the Yanks a discount?
Sounds like he’s already giving Boston a discount: if the reports floating around are to be believed, he’s got a better offer on the table from the Nats.
..as of now, Boston has no catcher unless the want to rely on that George kid.
grew up a donnie baseball fan… might work out
crap yankees should just come out of nowhere here and make him a better offer(not happening)
I love the subtle homerism in the first line.
BOSTON — The Boston Red Sox may be close to signing Mark Teixeira, the premiere free agent available this off-season.
Yea technically he had the highest Elias ranking but 28 yr old inning eating cy young winners dont hit the open market every year.
but 28 yr old inning eating left handed
cy young winners dont hit the open market every year.
Let them pump up the hype. It’ll make it that much better when he doesn’t meet expectations.
Just need to rant a little here. I live in Boston but I’m a lifelong Yanks fan from NJ. It amazes me how much the signings of CC and AJ are being trivialized in Boston. I’ll give the Sox fans that AJ is injury prone and CC isn’t going to be the guy he was for the Brewers. My point, one guy will argue CC is horrible vs. the Sox (ERA 3.91, 2.35 in fenway) while he dismisses AJ’s dominance of the Sox as a fluke. I found something very very interesting today while doing some research on the Sox staff. Boston fans are saying that CC isnt going to be a Sox killer but their self-proclaimed ace, Beckett, has a 5.35 ERA against the Yanks. Figured I would share/vent. Are there any reasonable sox fans?
I live in Boston too, you couldn’t be more right. It’s amazing, even most of the media guys don’t see how good this will help the team, on the field. There are a few that say, “wow” the Yankees are greatly improved, but most can’t bring themselves to say it. It’s all so petty. If the Sox get Tex, it’s a great move. There, was that so tough? Didn’t think so.
Hmmm, I don’t know about this. 3/$66M for a purple monkey dishwasher seems a bi excessive. Now, if it were a green or a silver one, I’d have to think about it. But for a purple one…nah.
*bit excessive
Though I suppose the monkey could be bi…
Raise your hand if you ever wanted to punch a 12 yr old in the face because they couldn’t put together the stupid silver monkey.
So mad right now.
Into the shrine of the silver monkey!!!!
Oh no a guard!
I think I’m missing something…
Ahhhh, I see.
Thank you. I think.
lol “havin a little trouble with tha monkey!”
wait you made a reference to both a silver and a green monkey and didnt think of Legends?
Olmec’s gonne be PISSED
Yup, I’m so full of win, I make awesome references even when I have no idea I’m making them.
Honestly, I had no clue. *sheepish*
if your budget 22mil per yr – you should then pursue tex. better defense & solid bat.
I dont believe it though – the yanks are done this off-season
Tony
Im against giving 184 million to Tex
why?? – do you think his production will decline in yrs 7 & 8? I like the idea of locking a stud 1st baseman for 8 yrs. He reminds me of Tino – with a better bat.
I understand wanting flexability – but when you can lock up a player like Tex – i think you should.
I think it is a similiar situation as beltran. I think Cash dropped the ball not signing beltran & I think we will regret not getting tex (assuming the we have enough payroll to absorbe the salary – & I think we could.
Tony
i cash’s defense i dont think georgie pooh wanted beltran he wanted the sheff
That was Vlad vs Sheff, a couple years earlier.
It was RJ (for whom George pushed the trade) vs Beltran.
right right my bad, equally as awful
Beltran and Tex are not analogous situations because Beltran plays a premium defensive position in center field, and a good defensive center fielder who can hit 30 homers is a lot tougher to find than a 1st baseman who plays good defense and hits over 30 homers/year.
really?
Today Cash was asked about pursuing Manny and he responded with
“we’re exploring many options, some have been reported correctly and some have been reported blatantly wrong”
You can tell Cashman doesn’t want Ramirez.
since Cashman doesn’t want Manny, Teixeria is out of the question, so hello Dunn?
why?? – do you think his production will decline in yrs 7 & 8? I like the idea of locking a stud 1st baseman for 8 yrs. He reminds me of Tino – with a better bat.
I understand wanting flexability – but when you can lock up a player like Tex – i think you should.
I think it is a similiar situation as beltran. I think Cash dropped the ball not signing beltran & I think we will regret not getting tex (assuming the we have enough payroll to absorbe the salary – & I think we could.
Tony
Cash didn’t drop the ball. George wanted Randy, and wouldn’t pay for Beltran after ponying up the dough for RJ.
That deal was terrible for the Yanks. How much better would people feel with Navarro and Beltran on the team right now than they did having RJ for two years?
But then we wouldnt have Nady !!
Lol, so VERY true… Well done Popper
The constant rumors and confusions are killing me, I want to sleep until March then I can find out if the Yankees signed Tex (YAY!!), the Yankees signed Manny (ehh..) or if they did something else (??????).
So….Trade Damon or Matsui?
They are not trading Matsui.
Matsui is our RBI machine!!
ideally matsui – but damon is probally easier to move
Tony
wait who wrote this post
No, I think it was….
what do you mean who wrote this post??
Tony wrote it…
No trades.
Sign Tex (not gonna happen…), move Swisher to right, platoon Nady/Matsui at DH.
If this is true, which I doubt, it’s a reaction to Tex going to Boston. Most reports have the Sox signing him within 24 hrs.
I’m all for financial responsibility and roster flexibility but GOD DAMN tex is so perfect for this team. He literally exemplifies everything cashman is trying to do this offseason. Young, great defense, patient, powerful, chiseled features, rippling biceps, sculped glutes, ummm i mean hits good, fields good riiight
He is rather easy on the eyes, isn’t he…errrr, I mean he has a great bat and glove!!!
You can’t say GOD DAMN on the air.
eh that was kinda gay….
just to be sure, i wasn’t calling you gay steve, not that there would be anything wrong with that
Aww don’t worry, no one’s listening.
Yanks should go 8/190 & offer an opt out.. get Tex signed
I was thinking that. Forget Pettitte and/or Cameron, suck it up for a season and wait for the Damon and Matsui contracts to come off the books next year.
And then who plays in the outfield? (Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for signing Tex, but the Damon/Matsui contracts aren’t really relevant.)
AJax, Nady, Gardner…FTL?
Nady will be a FA too, no?
That’s right, I forgot.
A.D. below is right: sub in Swisher for Nady.
Ok I responded to A.D. since apparently he’s the brains of this operation.
BG, Swish, AJAX
Eh… I mean, sure, that’s possible, but I don’t think AJax will be ready to start 2010 in the Bronx. I’m all for signing Tex, my point is just that there will be outfield holes to fill after the 2009 season, you can’t just say “well Damon, Matsui and Nady come off the books after 2008 so we’re all good.”
yeah bascially you have to accept the holes and go forward, essentially roll the dice, hope AJAX is ready etc. Maybe trade for an 1 year replacement if AJAX isnt ready
Else something like trade Nady for Kelly Johnson, trade Cano & IPK for Kemp… but I don’t see that happening
have the gardner play cf, nady rf & damon lf , matsui dh & we are good
Tony
We were talking about 2010, after Damon/Matsui come off the payroll.
sorry – was reading quickly. still at work.
Tony
yeah, just don’t worry about signing anyone next off season, go AJAX, BG, Swish in the OF if you need to for ’10
Weak outfield
yea… You can’t go Ajax, Gardner and Swisher… you just can’t.
Maybe in two years.
yeah but you figure Tex, A-Rod, Cano, Posada, and Jeter can make up for it… you’re getting premium production at every infield spot
Posada and Jeter are on the decline though, they will be giving above average contributions at their positions, but not quite “premium.”
thats a good idea you just gotta hope that hughes steps it up big time and when joba cant go IPK or Aceves can quickly step in and pitch a good game
if only Cashman is that smart.
I’m pretty sure he’s that smart and more. It’s also a question of what the ownership feels like it can/wants to spend/do. Hank and Hal apparently want Manny, although who know how much truth to put into those reports, for all we know it could be Boras’ propaganda machine.
when Cashman was on Francessa, he obviously sounded like he doesn’t want Manny. hopefully Cashman could convice the Stein bros, that signing Tex would seriously derail the Sox.
i’m pretty sure cashman hates mike francesa and was probably trying to get off the phone with him as soon as possible
LOL, true that.
8/190 you think it would get him even though they might sign tonight? i think thats why the redsux seem to be rushing this to stop that from happenign i think if u make it 192 thats 24 a year its definately a done deal
I dont teven think you need to go that high – 8/184 probally gets it done
Tony
Great speculation. I wish I had your knowledge and insight.
Just an educated guess –
Tony
they’re at 8/184 (according to reports), i just went the round up to 190, but 1 mil a year makes sense, and mentioned an opt-out as a sweetner. The other factor is that Tex might prefer the Yanks over the Sox, so an even deal gets it done
The purple monkey dishwasher reference made my night after a very long day. It’s amazing/sad how often I work that phrase into my daily conversations.
Yanks have to make this move, they just have to have more offense to go with the improved pitching. I`d like to make the pitch for Sheets to solidfy the rotation
NO the 5th spot either goes to Andy or the young guns… No on Lowe or Sheets
I’m with you on that
Tony
No, sir. Just bring Pettitte back for a year so Hughes can take his spot in the rotation full time in 2010.
ESPN just said Tex is close with the Sox but thats nothing we have not heard already… Good for them but I hope we get Manny now.
Yankees let Tex go to Boston?!!!!!
http://www.thebostonchannel.co.....etail.html
If so, Yankees are STUPID. Just plain stupid.
I just can’t believe it.
If NY had a tough time with the offense last year, they will really be in trouble next year.
1B Swisher (coming off a horrible season)
2B Cano (coming off a mediocre season)
SS Jeter (clutch, but not a big power threat)
3B ARod (Power with no protection)
LF Damon (Leadoff, not power)
CF Cabrera/? (weak)
RF Nady (260 hitter)
C Jorge (coming off injury(
DH Matsui (coming off injury)
I just don’t see this offense being a real threat. You?
Remember, (and I’m stealing this from someone who posted it last night)
The 2007 Rays (last place) scored more runs than the 2008 Rays (Al Champions) did.
That was me. Thanks for the reference
I even looked to see exactly who it was, but I couldn’t find it. (clearly I could have looked harder)
Actually, that offense projects to score 5.455 runs per game, or about 884 over the course of the season.
http://actyankee.blogspot.com/.....tions.html
Sorry for the shameless plug, just saying it projects better than last year’s offense.
They don’t play the game on spreadsheets, Matt.
What??!? GTFO!
And Adam Dunn hits for too low and average and strikes out too much to be any good.
Juan Pierre and his hustle-grit is so much more valuable.
I wouldn’t know that, being stuck in my parents’ basement w/o access to the real world. To me, baseball isn’t played by people, but rather their numerical representations in Excel. So, yes, they do play it on spreadsheets, Mike (too many commas?).
I’ll take the 884… not to shabby
Yeah, I was glad to see that. Marcels projections are usually pretty harsh.
Also, the CHONE hitters projections are up:
http://www.baseballprojection.com/
We certainly don’t need Cameron if they are right about Melky.
okay.
Didn’t the yanks sign CC and Burnett.
So the Yanks should have signed Tex just to make sure he doesn’t go to Boston? That’s a pretty dumb business model. The lineup will be fine. It won’t be the 950 run juggernaut it was a few years ago, but it’ll be fine.
Spite signings are never a good idea.
In any other circumsances, I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, Teixeira is just so…dreamy….perfect…erm, I mean he’s perfect for the Yankees!
Yea, but it was fun to watch 900 runs
Tony
It was far more fun watching them win. When they had, you know, pitching.
Nady is not a .260 hitter, and Posada’s injury has little, if nothing, to do with his swing.
I call ewww. I’d rather go 8 on Teixeira (and give Boston and all of MLB the finger) than go 3 on Manny.
Hmm. An update via MLBTR says thusly:
Basically no one knows anything, once again. $176M seems kind of low, doesn’t it?
I saw 184 in another report earlier….Washington is suppose to be up by 200
Now that’s just ridiculous. $384M is waaaay too much, even for someone as dreamy as Tex.
384 is way too much
Maybe Boars tells the Yanks 8 years 160 and Tex is yours. I mean 16 million less to be closer to home and play for your baseball idol old team.
I know I’m dreaming.
lmao Boras going for less money? ahahaha this is how the convo is gonna go
SB: Hey Brian the sox have a 8 year 184 million dollar offer on the table
BC: Really? Ok well make a 3 year 70 million dollar offer to Manny you got us
Well, to be fair, Beltran (who’s another Boras client, I believe) was willing to take less to play for the pinstripers, so yeah, it *could* happen.
I saw this too, but I still think Boras is going to give the Yankees one last call. God I’m hoping somehow they can get Tex because having to cheer for Manny would be one of the hardest thing for me to do.
Oh yeah, watching him smear Beckett, Lester & Dice-K pitches all over Fenway & the new Stadium is just going to be awful.
I’d rather have a root-canal.
The guy is a asshole who doesn’t respect the game. No number of home runs is going to change that.
See: Barry Bonds
PEDs are an entirely different situation than behavioral problems. I don’t see the relationship between the two.
You don’t see taking illegal drugs, cheating, lying to yourself and everyone around you as having a behavioral problem?
So that describes 50% of MLB in the 90′s? What’s the point. A ton of players that fit that description played for every single team in baseball.
No. Their choices are not the same or similar. One knowingly or allegedly took steroids and other illegal substances while the other didn’t do his job to the best of his abilities.
“his job to the best of his abilities.”
Questionable. Ask the Red Sox
I will. But I’ll just give you the short answer:
Manny’s OPS/OPS+ tallies during his years in Boston
1.014, 161
1.097, 184
1.104, 160
1.010, 152
.982, 153
1.058, 165
.881, 126
.927, 136 (half year)
Yeah he didn’t do nearly as well as he could. My bad.
Did you root for Giambi? Did you root for Andy? Roger?
I dont care if they all inject lighter fluid in their veins or if they cutoff the center fielder’s throw (if Damon is there, this may become a neccessity instead of just a funny ass Youtube Clip) to Jeter. If Manny is there, you root for the jersey. End of story.
Matt,
Take off the Stat. glasses for minute and remember back to when the guy set out during the Yankees series in the middle of a playoff race. All the shit he pull on Red Sox ownership and all the drama in the MIDDLE OF A PLAYOFF RACE.
No one is questioning his bat only his head.
Note: He had no problems with injuries in LA.
See Manny’s 2 WS rings and his annual playoff appearances. The Yankees have had assholes in the past, they’ll have em in the future. Manny is a winning baseball player, they Yankees are trying to win games.
I understand this and believe me I wasn’t a fan of Jackson or Henderson. I’m not blind to the fact of what Manny will mean to this team on the field, but I’m also not going to ignore is behavior because of it. That’s what makes it hard for me, but I understand the pro- Manny side. Who wouldn’t?
How does Manny Ramirez disrespect the game of baseball? From what I’ve heard, despite all his flakiness, he’s an incredibly hard worker when it comes to making himself a better player/hitter, etc. So, what does he do that disrespects the game so much?
Dogging it to get out of Boston for starters.
.299/.398/.529 is dogging it?
Come on, I know you hate the guy, I did too, but the day he went to the Dodgers my hate just felt so…empty, so I got rid of it. He was fun to watch with the Dodgers, and he’ll be immeasurably fun to watch in pinstripes killing Boston.
You’ll agree, I promise.
I understand you guys, but please don’t start making excuses for the guy because he might become a Yankee. You guys are better than that. We all saw what went down last year in Boston. Don’t think for a minute that it might not happen here.
It’s not about making excuses. Boston has a history of making its on-the-way-our players’ lives a bit less easy than they could, so the fanbase is getting rid of a “cancer” with no liability to the FO.
Pedro, Mo Vaughn, I’m sure there are others, I’m not a walking baseball encyclopaedia like some
*passes ball to one such*
We’re better than what? Wanting to root for someone if he plays for the Yankees? If Manny becomes a Yankee, you’re free to boo him, but I won’t join you.
same here last clown i hated the dude but when he went to the dodgers i actually enjoyed watching him, but your also right mustang that it might also happen here
It’s not about making excuses. Manny Ramirez is a terrific, terrific baseball player. What you classify as his “dogging it” period is better than most players’ career best numbers. I’d prefer Manny not be a Yankee. I’d rather go for someone younger (Tex) or cheaper (Dunn). But, Manny Ramirez is one of the best hitters of his time. He can be as flaky as he wants, so long as he keeps putting up those numbers.
“We’re better than what? Wanting to root for someone if he plays for the Yankees? If Manny becomes a Yankee, you’re free to boo him, but I won’t join you.”
I’m not going to boo him, but I’m not go to ignore it when and if he becomes and ass.
Maybe he changes if becomes a Yank. Who knows ?
His entire team wanted him traded, including the guy who was his best friend and needed him the most, David Ortiz. That should tell you something.
These Manny debates fall along two lines, neither of which is arguable.
-His ability as a baseball player is inarguable
-His complete lack of integrity as a professional is inarguable.
So people just have to decide what matters more to them. Personally, I could never root for the guy.
Ortiz also says they would have won the World Series this year with Manny.
Don’t know what you got till it’s gone.
“These Manny debates fall along two lines, neither of which is arguable.
-His ability as a baseball player is inarguable
-His complete lack of integrity as a professional is inarguable.
So people just have to decide what matters more to them. Personally, I could never root for the guy.”
Agree
Manny hit:
.329/.398/.529/.927 with Boston this year. If that’s quitting….
And, in the month he “quit”
.347/.473/.587/1.060
That’s some damn hard quitting. What a quitter. Don’t give me that guy.
Woops, typed that Boston BA wrong. My bad.
Typo huh? You quit just like Manny!!
And that Boston OPS is roughly 100 points higher than what you can reasonably expect from a healthy Matsui next year. And Cashman said today that both knees are fine now. That’s one extra base every 10 ABs, or one extra base every 2 games. If you owned a baseball team, would you pay 25 mil per year for an extra 100 point of OPS? I wouldn’t, its a colossal waste of money.
The marginal difference between Matsui and Manny isn’t worth 25 mil per year, and isn’t worth all the headaches and the potential to wreck the clubhouse. You could easily see the 4 core Yankees having a huge problem with Manny, including the manager. That’s a very tightly run clubhouse by Jeter, Posada and to a lesser extent Pettitte and Mo. None of them will have any tolerance for his bullshit.
100 points of OPS is, in a word, huge.
A-Rod and Nady were separated by 100 pts. A-Rod and Mark Derosa were separated by a little more than 100 pts.
but I still think Boras is going to give the Yankees one last call.
Boras doesn’t want Tex to go to the Yanks, because the Yanks then wouldn’t be bidders for Manny.
Just saw a article on Lohud saying Cashman only gave CC opt out for reasurance. CC says he will stay on Yanks for the duration of his entire contract. Also says he is already selling his old house. Just wanted to share this great news. I pick CC over Tex in a heart beat. CC is the man most responsible for our next ring.
I agree on CC over Tex, love the signing.
Of course CC is going to extol his dedication to his new team, but you have to take these PR statements with a grain of salt. You can’t think that CC is going to scowl into the camera, sneering while he taunts the public through the media, and gloat over how he’s going to put up 3 stellar seasons & opt out for some more big money.
You can’t even think he’ll allude to it, because he’s probably not an asshole, and he doesn’t know if something out of his control will rob him of the opportunity to get more than $100M for those next four years from which he’d be opting out.
But, if he does perform so well over ’09, ’10, & ’11, so as to warrant a 5+ year deal @ say $22-24M per, you also can’t think he won’t use that at least as leverage with which to levy an extension with the Yanks. At most he’ll test the free agent waters & see what the deals really look like, but if he does deserve it, a three year old press conference comment is not going to hold more weight than another fat contract.
I think the opt out is a very smart move by Cash. If CC gets hurt in the next 3 years, thats just bad luck given his track record. But even healthy pitchers start to break down in the mid 30′s, so if CC wants to live on the West Coast (He said today he’s “a west coast guy”) then you’ll happily say ‘thanks CC’ and move on. Its the out years of the deal that scare you, not the first few.
if he breaks down – he wont excercise the opt out.
Tony
Yes, if he breaks down BEFORE the opt out. But as I just said, the first 3 years of the deal don’t scare you, the last 4 do. If he opts out in year 3 let somebody else take on the riskier years. I’d much rather have CC for ages 29-31 than 32-36. Opting out is a good deal for the Yanks, assuming he’s healthy at the time.
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....67206.html
Classic.
Oh to be a fly on the wall in the airport that day.
I would love to have seen that.
Incredible.
I have a new hero.
well you cant have everything you wan
well you cant have everything you want
i know like peavy we all want him but we cant have him and it sucks big time
yes indeed
….said without a trace of irony.
WHAT the hell do you mean
I know what the comment meant.
I would deal anyone San Diego wanted for Peavy, a guy who doesn’t want to pitch here, pitched in the weakest division in the weakest league, and battled elbow injuries last season. Who the heck needs home grown kids? All it costs is a star in the making pitcher, a possible star in CF, and a couple other highly touted younger kids. Do the right thing Cash, you horrible GM. BRING IN PEAVY NOW!!11!!!
Tex will go to the Sox, we’ll sign Manny, more trades by the Yanks will come soon after.
Well i live in New York about 1 blcok from new yankee staduim, and theres alot fo cahatter about this one. Most people thing he really had the offer there, and will sign soon, id love t see manny kill the sox for 19 games.
I think Cano could go, as could Matsui, so could the young arms for Peavy.
The Padres have NO use for Matsui, and very little use for Cano. They are considering trading Peavy only for salary relief. What good would a $13 million DH and a 2b making decent $ with big raises in the next few years?
What, the Little Engine that Could has money to spend??!!!??!!! Who knew???!
Imagine CC, Peavy, Burnett, Wang, Joba
Boston can sign Tex but they can’t beat that pitching
i agree but this guys will start making fun of you
i hope they leave him alone because peavy rocks and punctuation doesnt
You, my friend, are proven wrong. Punctuation does indeed rock.
Imagine CC, Johan, Peavy, Lincecum and Halladay. You can’t beat that pitching.
And now back to reality.
Too bad one of these guys isn’t and won’t be on the Yankees in 2009.
Its safe to say at this point that Peavy won’t be traded by spring training. But its also safe to say he WILL be dealt somewhere by next years trade deadline, and the Yanks could be involved at that point.
Towers has to move that salary. He might be able to push it down the road a few months, but he will get dealt somewhere in 2009. His salary jumps to 16 mil in 2010, and the owner won’t pay that.
If we’re looking to trade for a front-end starter by the deadline ’09, I’d say we all will be most displeased by whatever caused that move.
Yep, but shit happens and you have to deal with it.
plus the team is for sale
Can I instead imagine an organization that already has dominant pitching, and the potential to EVER fill ANY holes from within ever again?
To get Peavy, you’re talking about spending either Hughes or Jackson, and definitely some other potentially useful young players like Romine or Suttle or Melancon.
Trading for Peavy means that the Yanks will definitely have to sign a CFer long term in the next year. They will probably have to sign a veteran to take over for Posada, because you halved the chance that they’ll develop a catcher by 2011. This compounds the fact that they’re already going to have to buy at least one corner OFer next season, possibly a SS after 2010, etc.
When you’re already featuring a front three of CC, Burnett, and Wang — with Joba as your #5…do you really need to trade for Peavy to fill that other rotation slot?
padres are desperate the yanks dont have to give that much for him now that they have failed in two major deals
the Padres don’t have to trade Peavy. And let’s not forget, Peavy has a no trade clause and……………………doesn’t want to come to the AL!!
im not saying he is going to be traded dumbfuck what i mean problably it doesnt take that much now with sd needing to trade him
Let me introduce you to CAPITAL LETTERS. Periods (.) Question Marks (?) Exclamation points (!)
Are any of those on your keyboard?
…………..AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????
Edited by RAB: Don’t add so many exclamation points, you broke’d the site.
sorry RAB just trying to make my point
Genius. If the Padres are desperate, why not give him to the Cubs, a team he WANTS to play for. I now understand a little better why some on here overuse the !!1!!!1! thing; dumb ass commentors who forget other teams want to win also, and have fans that pay to see them.
Dude, there’s no need for name-calling. Seriously.
sorry but he really gets me irritated with his fantasy rotation responses
The Yanks are on his list of approved teams.
If he were to decide to accept a trade to the AL, which he hasn’t done yet.
Point?
You said he “doesn’t want to come to the AL”. The Yanks (and Angels) are on his approved teams list. So that, and the assumption others have made about any deal requiring Hughes, is simply wrong. That’s what generally happens with the people who are dismissive of the Yanks going after Peavy, they have a series of assumptions going in which are provably untrue.
But in any case, if the Yanks sign Andy then they are done shopping for pitchers. If not, there may still be a shot at landing him and its one I think would be worthwhile.
No. The Yanks and Angels are not on his approved list. It was a completely hypothetical, if there’s no way to trade him in the NL, and he had to consider the AL, then the Yankees and Angels were two teams he would consider. Far from concrete.
“8:42pm: Padres GM Kevin Towers recently spoke to the press, stating that Jake Peavy has approved two AL teams in addition to his known five NL clubs. The Yankees and Angels are now possibilities. If there were to be any acceptable AL teams, it figured to be these two based on earlier rumblings.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....roves.html
That’s from November 3rd. I think the following is more relevant from December 13th, from his agent.
“Jake has a strong preference to stay in the National League. If Jake’s ever going to accept anything to the American League – and I don’t want this to be taken wrong – I can safely say that it’s going to be the Yankees or Red Sox or maybe the Angels. Those teams are going to be in contention and are going to spend money. If there were circumstances where he would be asked to go to the AL, kicking and screaming, those are the three places.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-ru-5.html
For the 5,000th time, Towers has said a deal can be worked without including Hughes.
But in any case, if Andy signs then the Yanks will be done with their pitching staff for 2009. If they were to get an injury or two and Peavy became available at next years trade deadline (as many expect he will) then it could be revisited at that point.
But I’m sure A-Jax or Montero would have to be included and those two represent much bigger needs in the future than Peavy does in the present.
yes thats true but i a jax as a average cf
i dont follow please clarify
Excuse me…?
Austin Jackson is the only prospect the Yankees have who’s even close to major league ready (position player, I mean) and centerfield will be a much more pressing need for the Yankees in the next year or two than the pitching rotation, which has just been shored up by the signings of two quality pitchers, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain waiting, and other SP prospects who are being groomed as well. Peavy is a want, not a need. Austin Jackson will be a need in the future.
Many scouts project A-Jax as a good, not great MLB player. I think that’s what he’s referring to.
Its not like we’d be trading Adam Jones.
I’d rather keep a good, not great MLB player at a position that is very weak right now for the Yankees than trade for a great starting pitcher who we don’t need, and that’s ignoring the cost-controlled part of it. And the fact that Peavy’s got an NTC. And did I mention he’s not a need, now that the two best FA pitchers are on the Yankees?
Can we find out what Gardner is before we determine that CF is weak? I know nobody around here believes in him, but the manager does and he will get a chance to land the job this year. Its quite possible that we have our CF/leadoff hitter already.
I believe in him. I think he could be like a Willie Randolph type hitter if all goes well. And I think he could be a great defender.
I would like to see Gardner hit it out of the infield before the yankees hand him the starting CF job.
I’ve never loved A-Jax, so that one doesn’t bother me.
I’m not sure Montero would appeal to Towers. He’s too far away being 19 and playing in High-A Tampa next year, he has a stud 1B in Kyle Blanks who should be ready next year and he has a young catcher (Nick Hundley) he likes a lot as well. Hundley with his patience and power is actually very similar to Montero, but more advanced at 25 years old.
“I’ve never loved A-Jax, so that one doesn’t bother me. ”
I don’t think he’ll be a perennial all-star, but a cost-controlled merely above-average bat and glove in CF would be a huge boon to this team. Cameron is the only thing available right now that approaches that, and he costs something in trade plus 10 million dollars.
Why would you spend that resource for a luxury like Peavy?
And if A-Jax becomes a young Mike Cameron, we’ll have our CF for 10 years, cheap for the majority of those years which allows more money to be spent elsewhere. We just got the top 2 FA pitchers, and we have a lack of good position players in the minors, especially ones that are close to the major league level. We need more of these guys, we shouldn’t be trading them for a luxury (who’s career ERA on the road (3.80) in the NL is a run higher than his home ERA by the way). In fact, if we’re going to trade Hughes/IPK, etc, I’d rather see them traded for a young, cheap, close to the majors position player, not a high priced pitcher. We can get high priced pitchers on the market, we can’t get young position players.
Dear god, if we could get our hands on Wieters. I know its a whimsical fantasy, but god dammit…that’s the position prospect I most covet.
http://cover6.cduniverse.com/M.....213984.jpg
Anything to involve the Coreys
exactly everybody says he going to be good because his in the yankee farm system but i if i had a chance of acquiring another ace to insert in my rotation then i would do it
Hundley has a .336 OBP in the minors. Not that patient.
Not saying it makes him a bust or anything, but his OBP has fallen each year in the minors (.376, .356, .324, .285).
Scouting Report
Power: 91
Speed: 24
Contact: 38
Patience: 66
That’s what I’m referring to, from the Cube. In 3-4 years, that could very well be Montero’s scouting report.
What’s that scale from? 1-100?
And it would seem that that patience in the scouting report is not really translating on the field. It’s worth noting that those drops in OBP also came with a progression of levels in the minors.
His power, though, stayed pretty consistent, to show the other side of the coin.
montero hit .328 his contact is mighty niceyo
Here, I should have posted the link.
http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....dley.shtml
I know most scouts use a 20/80 scale, this one appears to be 1-100. The Cube is generally a good site, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt.
I’d much rather have Chase Headley than Nick Hundley, but that probably won’t happen.
thank you
For the 5,000th time, Towers has said a deal can be worked without including Hughes.
You say that as though I insisted a deal would require Hughes. I didn’t.
Sure, a deal can be worked out without Hughes…by including Austin Jackson and Ian Kennedy — or maybe Jackson and Montero. And, given that the Yanks just signed a bunch of high-end pitching and all their best prospects are either pitchers or multiple years away from the bigs (with the hopeful exception of Jackson)…what sounds like it’ll be more useful to the organization? A potential above-average, athletic, cheap CFer and a potential impact catcher? Or another expensive — if excellent — starting pitcher?
“what sounds like it’ll be more useful to the organization? A potential above-average, athletic, cheap CFer and a potential impact catcher? Or another expensive — if excellent — starting pitcher?”
The pitcher. CY Young award winners like Jake Peavy don’t grow on trees, and high end pitching wins championships. I always assume the Yanks can pay for some hitting, its the pitching they’ve had trouble finding in recent years. And nobody impacts a game more than the starting pitcher, that’s not even debatable.
As I posted earlier, I don’t think Montero would appeal to Towers. He already has Blanks(1B) and Hundley(C).
A-Jax and IPK with some bullpen guys sounds about right to me. And I still love IPK, but you have to give something to get something.
Its the law of diminishing returns, though. We’ve already replaced our weakest links in the pitching, and we’re internally capable of filling any holes with what should be above-average players. One of our single most glaring problems is the lack of a CF. We have a high quality CF a year away from being ready to fill that hole. Its definitely worth IPK, some bullpen arms, and someone else … but not AJax. His value to us is especially high since our current guys suck shit.
You never have enough pitching.
Agreed, but there is a relative value to everything, no? Eventually, the relative value of filling a glaring need instead of adding to an already abundant strength is greater.
Of course, but if I have a chance to have top of the rotation talent from 1-5, I do it. Nobody affects any individual game more than the pitcher does, and even if we gave up IPK+Bruney we’d still have plenty of depth in the rotation with Hughes/Aceves/Coke and a zillion arms in the bullpen.
So the marginal effect on the team would be the difference between Jake Peavy and a 36 year old Andy Pettitte. Which would have to be about +4-5 wins for 2009.
Yeah, if we can trade away IPK+Bruney for Peavy, let’s do it IMMEDIATELY, please. I stop at AJax (and Hughes), they’re close to untouchable in my book. We need AJax badly unless we’re using him to trade for Grady Sizemore.
Didn’t the Yankees just sign a Cy Young winner? Who’s lefty? And won’t cost prospects directly? Did I miss something?
They’ve found the pitching. They just signed the two best pitchers on the free agent market. One for seven years, one for five. They’ve got an All-Star caliber pitcher in Wang. They’ve got arguably the best pitching prospect to come out of their system since Mo in Joba. They’ve got someone who could pan out like Peavy in Phil Hughes. They’ve got a guy with great upside in Kennedy. They’ve got a guy who could be our version of David Price in Andrew Brackman. They’ve got Betances. The pitching is there. And most importantly, a lot of it is cheap and club-controlled for a long time.
The Yankees would have to go out and “buy” a CF if they traded Jackson and after 2009, there aren’t that many good OFs out there. Sure, there’s Matt Holliday but he can’t play CF. There’s Ankiel, but he’s overrated and not a good defender. There’s Randy Winn but he’s, well, old. I’m not saying Austin Jackson is the next Mickey Mantle but he’s worth holding onto. Centerfield will be a much more pressing need for the Yankees in the near future than starting pitching.
And Peavy has a no trade clause. And would have to be extended for big bucks. Peavy is not something the Yankees need.
Jake Peavy is not a Cy Young caliber pitcher in the AL. His career road ERA, in the NL is 3.80. So absolute best case scenario is that he pitches as well in the AL as he does in the NL, outside of the best pitchers park in baseball. In this best case scenario, his 3.80 era won’t be winning him Cy Youngs. And it’s more likely that his era would be over 4 in the AL.
well everybody knows you cant trust the “workhorse” of aj burnett
That’s why you still have CC SABATHIA AND CHIEN MING WANG.
What?
So that’s a reason to blow a good, cost-controlled, future definite need prospect for a complete and total want? Even if Burnett goes down this year–not likely–there’s Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, or Coke to fill in. Those four guys can definitely pitch above replacement level and wouldn’t cost anything. Getting Peavy because someone MIGHT get hurt is not a good argument for getting him.
no im not saying thats i wnat peavy im saying you guys like burneet more than peavy
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Is Jake Peavy a better pitcher than AJ Burnett? Yes.
Does Jake Peavy cost more than AJ Burnett in the long run? Yes.
In a vacuum, we would all (except Mike Pop, but he’s got his reasons) take Peavy over Burnett. Unfortunately, none of this is taking place in a vacuum and Burnett is very easy to get, and cheap, all things considered. Peavy is far from cheap.
i told you
How is a legit argument against a trade “making fun” of him?
because the idiot of steve makes up fantasy rotations with his response
Hey, I know you have some viewpoints that others don’t share, but don’t get defensive about it. I was going to post a very similar fantasy response, but with players from baseball’s all-time list.
It was funny.
The Yankees signed the two most dominant FA starters. Already. As in they are Yankees. Why on Earth would they want to dump prospects on another front-end starter, with so much young pitching developing. Just look at the Tampa Yankees rotation, they’re breeding starting pitchers like mosquitoes. We obviously don’t need more starting pitching *not named Andy*, especially if it comes at as high a price as Peavy.
With the Red Sox closing in on a deal for Tex, I think the Yankees stealing Tex away is more likely than Towers even getting a phone call from Cash.
aj dominant yes but you dont see it very often
I’d say you do see it pretty often. He has a career K/9 of 8.36.
Last year: 9.39
07: 9.56
06: 7.83
05: 8.53
Yea I’d say the dominance is there whenever he pitches.
how many times has he hit the dl and pitch over 200 inn
Jon Garland has pitched 190+ innings 7 seasons in a row (with 4 of 200+)and is always healthy. Explain to me the relevance to dominance as you stated above.
On the day the Yankees introduced their new big-name pitchers, The New York Post reports that Andy Pettitte still wants to play in pinstripes. According to the Post Joe Girardi talked with Pettitte and heard that “he is still excited about coming back.”
Girardi heard that Pettitte “is very excited” about recent additions A.J. Burnett and C.C. Sabathia. The Post also reports that Yankees GM Brian Cashman thinks the negotiations are progressing well for the Yankees.
MLBTR
Inching ever so slowly to another season in pinstripes………….
Maybe he has come down from his extended acid trip and realizes he was just hallucinating about 3 year contracts.
I would bet dollars to d’ohnuts that Andy didn’t conceive of, or release that “offer.”
Also, rumor-mongering imaginary offer is not quite hallucinogenic. It’s the job of the agent. Maybe Hendricks thought Colletti would show interest for a multi-year deal, with the loss of Lowe, and then he could parley that into a little more money for a one year with the Yanks.
Nobody knows, hopefully Andy takes his $10M, wins a 5th WS, & enjoys going to church, playing with his kids & playing golf for the rest of his life
And now for your hourly Mark Teixeira update:
So we’ve gone from “pen poised over the dotted line” to “don’t expect anything conclusive tonight.” Excellent.
You can’t make this up…….oh wait.
Next update:
The Boston Red Sox have announced a press conference on Friday at 10am to introduce their new first-baseman, Mark Teixeira. Teixeira agreed to a 7 year, 140 million dollar deal late last week.
Who cares? He is signing with Boston and the Yankees are going to put Swisher at 1B. I am happy with the pitching moves the Yankees made but the Yankees lineup right now is:
Damon LF
Jeter SS
Nady RF
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Swisher 1B
Cano 2B
Cabrera/Gardner/An equally shittier player CF
If you’re going to spend around $20MM on Manny, just spend it on Teixeira and secure yourself a first baseman for the future. Please hold the ‘but (insert player here) will need 1B later on’ argument. Posada is going to be an expensive back up during the last year of his contract, Jeter will never play 1B, and A-Rod will eventually be our DH. The Yankees need some younger position players and neglecting to even make a serious offer for Teixiera is pretty stupid.
I m with you on that
I agree, spend the money on Tex, or don’t spend it. The offense will be just fine.
I wouldn’t mind Manny but I don’t see the logic in passing on Teixeira. Teixeira will still be an elite player when Ramirez is done with a three year contract.
Nady should NOT bat third. At all. He does not see enough pitches and he does not walk enough. Swisher should bat third in that lineup because of how many pitches he sees and how many walks he draws. Putting him in front of A-Rod would give the latter 80-100 extra RBI opportunities through walks alone.
Either option is fairly unappetizing. Its a total longshot right now and not something you could do with the starting day lineup, but it is possible that Cano could finally put everything together and be able to fill that #3 spot. I know he doesn’t many walks, I know. But Cano can be a monster when he’s locked in, and he’s been doing very well in the DWL…and he is simply not striking out, at all.
Why do you say Swish in the 3 spot is unappealing? I think he’s a good 3 hitter–patience, some pop when needed. I like it.
I just don’t think Cano should be that high in the order until he proves he can take a pitch and improves his patience.
I agree, Cano definitely needs to prove himself first, and I’d also agree that on opening day with our current setup, Swisher is our best bet in the 3-hole. He’ll actually let A-Rod probably see just as many pitches as Abreu let him (which was a shitload), the only difference is that Swisher will strike out considerably more than Abreu…but he’ll also hit some more homers. The more I break it down, Swisher should actually do all right… he’s going to see a lot of hittable pitches batting in front of Rodriguez. Still, if Cano can show some more patience and become a complete hitter, he will be a force to be reckoned with. Might want to slot him up to the 5 hole if Swisher earns the spot first. Let’s hope both of these guys bounce back in a big way.
If Cano can learn patience, then yes, put him in the three hole. But until then, this is what I want as an opening day lineup (assuming no one else gets signed):
Damon
Jeter
Swisher
Rodriguez
Posada
Matsui
Nady
Cano
Gardner
My only concern is Cano-Gardner-Damon … they’re all lefties.
Yeah, I thought the same things, then I looked at the numbers and…
Cano:
vRHP: .305/.332/.486/.818
vLHP: .297/.342/.423/.766
Not too shabby.
Damon’s not great against lefties, but he’s also not too bad. I knwo it looks silly to have those 3 guys back to back, but I don’t think it’d be too bad.
While they do ok against lefties, the issue could be when a tough situational lefty comes out of the pen. Even lefties who hit lefties well probably will struggle against a middle reliever you see once in a while, with good stuff and funky delivery. Probably no way of pulling stats, but I think it’d be interesting.
Interesting. In just about any lineup’s case, Damon is going to lead off and Gardner is going to bat 9th, so that can’t be avoided. And then since Cano is strong against both RHP and LHP, its a moot point.
I love how everyone here wants every single free agent and every player on the trade market and if we dont get them we are the worst baseball team in the history of baseball after we signed the top two pitching free agents on the market….hysterical.
No one is saying we are the going to be the worst team – but we all strive to put together the best team
Tony
We have a very good, possibly great team on our hands right now. If you add Manny or Tex, you have an elite team. But I have high expectations for the team no matter what … our pitching is going to lead us to #27
we’ll probally add a bat at the trading deadline though.
Tony
That’s not true at all.
how can you say that is not true at all? If we do not add tex or manny now – we will see how melky /gardner do. If they are not performing they will look for an upgrade at the deadline.
Tony
this is the one point everyone keeps forgetting. the lineup in August will be different than it is today. i guarantee that.
and if the economy stays bad, there will be teams lining up to dump players to the yankees.
amen
If we sign Manny:
Damon Lf/Dh
Jeter SS
A-Rod 3B
Manny DH
Posada C
Nady RF
Cano 2b
Swisher 1b
Cabrera/Brett CF
pretty potent – if manny is motivated
Tony
Manny has been potent every year of his career. He is extremely motivated by hitting, and always has been. He’s never had a bad year offensively, ever. So it he’s hear, the lineup’s potency will not be dependent on him and his motivation, he’ll bring it.
Its true. Manny’s resume speaks for itself. One of the most incredible hitters ever. For every negative “intangible” that might exist, Manny’s October numbers alone easily dismisses them. He turns this team into what could be one of the single greatest baseballs teams ever.
The CFer from the Pirates wants out of Pit. Would not even talk about extension. Nate. Wonder what it would take trade wise. You know they need Pitching. Just trying to fill in CF gap. What are your sugestions.
ALOT. knowing the Pirates got ripped off from the Nady/Marte deal, they not going to be fool again.
I suggest he’s not that good. And he’s a horrible fielder.
Seconded.
Third..ed. KLaw agrees too, if I remember correctly.
Yup. He’s not really a CFer, he just plays one on the Pirates. He’s a corner OFer defensively, and had his first promising offensive season at 26.
Either it’s a fluke, or it’s a breakout offensive season at a position for which he does not have the glove.
If we want a good offensive CFer that can’t really go get the ball, we can just play Damon in CF.
Based on his 2nd half, I’m leaning towards fluke. .270/.355/.426 in the second half. Also, his career minor leauge ops was below .800 and his high in HR’s was 12 in his first year in the minors. In his minor league career, he had 40 hr’s in over 2000 ab’s.
Yeah, I’m sticking with fluke.
Say no to Nate McLouth
All this McClouth shit started with Fatcesa on WFAN. He has a weird thing for him.
I think I am a bit too obsessed with baseball. I keep checking this site every minute
(not kidding) and many other sites to see if anything new happened with Teixeira or the Yankees,
no baseball is the only interesting sport
Tony
People seem to like my sport too
Roger Goodell
Baseball fans are in my opinion more devoted to their teams.
Seems like a completely baseless claim to me.
I’m pretty sure it’s based on his opinion. I gather that from the part where he says “in my opinion”.
Usually people back up their “opinion” with some sort of facts or logic behind it, to state why in fact it is their opinion. Just stating that it’s his opinion doesn’t give his argument any merit. But your wise ass comment brought a lot to the table. Keep up the good work.
In my opinion, we will trade Melky for Halladay.
Sorry, I know my wise ass comment didn’t bring anything to the table either.
It’s OK, your opinion was based on your opinion. Therefore it is valid, and worthy of no questioning.
football the sport is not popular. The gambling behind is what drives the popularity.
Tony
So gamblers fill the seats every weekend?
Football is popular, plenty of people go every weekend that don’t gamble.
There’s also the nature of football that makes it easy to be populer. Game once a week, generally eating & drinking with the game (not that there isnt with Baseball) & on sunday makes it easier, short season.
Basically its easier to follow your football team. You tune out Monday – Friday in football you miss an injury report. You do it in baseball you miss a full pass through the rotation
your not alone, i keep hitting refresh
Guys, relax, Good pitching beats good hitting. We got the pitching and Sox got hitting. The redsox obviously have shown once again that they don’t give a fuck about their veterans. Nomar, Manny, and now JD drew/Lowell.
The Sox also have good pitching. I mean, the Yankees still have good hitting but the Sox adding Tex is big. Very big. But, I won’t believe it til I see it.
is it just mine of is there something wrong with the comments
nah they’re all stretched out for me too
Someone got cute and added a whole bunch of exclamation points to their comment. I fixed it.
They’re leaking off the right side of the website.
Someone must have tilted the server.
Thanks, Man. I’m feeling more relaxed with each breath.
Now, if I could just figure out why Kennedy hasn’t piched since December 6th …. Maybe because he’s reached 150 IPs??
He’s at about 160. Joe and Mike said that on the podcast today; That’s likely why they shut him down. He’s good for 190+ innings next season, he’s built confidence down there…nothing else for him to do except take a couple months off from baseball and start cranking it back up in February.
I posted it in a thread about a week ago, he’s at like…150.4 or something.
I have him at 151.1, after throwing 165.1 last year, but I guess he missed some time this year, so it probably makes sense to give him some rest. They’re not likely to need more than 180 IPs out of him next year, anyway.
Did anyone hear that Teixeira verbally agreed to go to the Red Sox? I know the Red Sox are rumored to be having a meeting about Tex with Boras, is Tex there too? I know verbal agreements don’t mean much and that this is just a rumor.
I think all these rumors are started to get to my head.
No, they actually came out and said they do not expect an agreement tonight
Hey guys I forget where I heard this but I remember reading it, What do you think of Washburn for Matsui if we fail to sign Pettitte.
NO!
Just let Hughes, IPK, Aceves, Chase Wright duke it out. I will kill Jarrod Washburn before we sign him.
We don’t need starting pitching, let the kids duke it out for the 5 spot, why trade our DH
For a guy named Manny.
I’d say ‘come again?!’ Then I’d laugh ’cause Jarrod Washburn sucks.
If you go game by game with him, he has some flashes of brilliance and for every 2-3 quality starts he has an awful one. Not to mention, the poor culture in which he pitched last year.
So he’s inconsistent? Awesome. Just what the Yankees need.
Do you want another Rasner or Ponson for a guy who could probably still hit pretty well? If so, then by all means beat the Washburn drum, but you’ll be a one man band for sure.
I think your opinion is foolish. He is in a loosing culture. He can benefit from this NY positive firestorm of late.
Because Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson really flourished in the “NY positive firestorm?” Ponson went from a “losing culture” and a bad situation in Texas to a “winning culture” and a better situation in NY and pitched awfully.
Just because the Yankees have good fans doesn’t mean Washburn will automatically pitch well.
Boras is going to take the Red Sox offer letter and shop it to Frank Wren.
Ouch.
8:38pm: The Red Sox “aren’t close to getting a deal done” with Teixeira according to an updated report by Dan Roche of WBZTV
Wow the redsox media overestimated the signning shocker
Hey guys, what was said about CC not exercising his opt out in 3 years? I heard something about that today on some show. Was there anything said like he’ll be here for 7 years and just wanted that in a contract in case he went to a team with a bad situation?
I wouldn’t read anything into what’s going to happen 3 years down the road. Seriously, if he was 100% sure he wasn’t going to opt-out, there would be no need whatsoever for the clause. Completely meaningless.
he is moving to aspen nj to live year round. says he wants to experience the ny/nj metro area to the fullest. the opt out is just something the agent insisted on – for the rare scenrio where he wins 3 straight cy youngs & then really wants to cash in. by that time the sf giants will have only 1 yr left on zito’s contract.
Tony
The opt out is something Cashman insisted on
Its something Cashman HAD to use to stay competitive with the Brewers offer. No GM would ever, ever, ever “insist” on a player option. Ever.
yes it may have been a negoiting tool for cashman to recruit cc – but you would not put it in – because it only benefits the player – not the team
Tony
link?
It’s on LoHud.
Thanks.
My unsorted random plan.
Trade Matsui for Jarrod Washburn. That gives us another lefty. and frees up the DH spot. And oh yeah forget about Pettitte.
Sign ManRam. Put Damon in left Whomever(Swish,Bret, Melkman) in center Nady in Right and Manny as the DH.
I just think this would work out. You can have a nice OF rotation.
I like it except for the part about Washburn. We really really really do not need him. Any one of the aforementioned internal candidates would do an equal or better job. Its unfortunate that Matsui has horrible trade value right now.
oh btw, Jarrod Washburn’s 2009 salary is something around the range of $10 million, the same it would take to get Pettitte back if the bastard ever feels like making up his mind.
But if they pick up Matsui’s contract, we save a few mill. Even if we swap contracts and pay the $13 mil, it’s cheaper to have Washburn at $13 mil than Pettitte at $10 mil and Matsui at $13 mil. Interesting proposition at least. If would make no sense whatsoever if we didn’t take advantage of the savings.
This is for a theoretical setup to get Manny. I’d rather trade Matsui for a player who is less useless and we eat some of his contract if we’re making room for Manny as a DH. You’d save more money by using a kid instead of a #5 starter that costs an 8 digit number (plus partially dumping Matty’s salary), and use that savings to offset the cost of Ramirez.
Why do that especially if you arent getting pettitte?
I agree with you, but if they are more worried about getting innings out of that #5 spot due to injury concerns rather than go with a young guy, I’d prefer Washburn and Manny over Pettitte and Matsui at their respective positions despite the $7-$10 million increase in payroll. With Matsui’s health, I think Manny is greater than Matsui by a large margin heading into 2009.
I will concede that Manny + Wasburn > Matsui + Pettitte, but its a moot point. If you can do Matsui + Pettitte (meaning Pettitte is back with us for 2009), than you can do Manny + Pettitte and trade Matsui for someone that isn’t such a POS and shed at least some of his contract. I can appreciate the value of wanting to add another workhorse to the rotation – I certainly have my fingers crossed that Andy returns – but I’d rather take my chances with the youngsters than hand the ball over to Washburn every 5th day. I’m sure there are other alternatives besides him we could be looking at that are more palatable.
can we please forget the idea that the Mariners will trade for Matsui just b/c he’s Japanese?
No its because they can use his bat, nothing to do with his ethnicity although it can help
Sorry for popping in late, not sure if this was discussed already.
The Red Sox are moving closer towards signing Teixeira, in fact, ownership is on their way to meet with him and Boras right now.
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/n.....8;c_id=bos
For those that thought the Yanks don’t have a major need for a bat and therefore didn’t want Teix, does this change things now that he may land in Boston?
The reports are conflicting on exactly how close the Sox are to signing him, my question is just theoretical since it’s gotten more likely.
Regardless of whether I think there is a major need or not, I would say its likelier or not that if Boston gets Tex, we respond with Manny.
For the record, I think getting Manny or, to a lesser extent Adam Dunn, would be a significant benefit for the team, but I do not think there is a “major need” for a bat. We could come into this season with our roster as is and we’d be one of the best teams out there. An elite slugger like ManRam changes this team’s offense considerably though, even if it means you need to marginalize or trade away Matsui at a low value.
It would also mean that, essentially, the Yanks would be paying 30 million dollars to have Manny DH for them, and they’d still have an offensive hole in CF, and be open to the risk that Burnett goes down while Joba’s limit needs to be worked around, and all of a sudden the rotation is CC, Wang, Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves and we’re hoping Sidney Ponson isn’t about to return.
I’d rather use that money to balance the team by getting a CF upgrade and rotation insurance.
There’s probably going to be an offensive hole in CF no matter what. Was Mike Cameron ever going to be our savior? We’re just scrambling for dear life in CF this year and crossing our fingers that AJax is ready sooner rather than later. I’m all for resigning Pettitte along with getting Ramirez in regards to rotation insurance. We’d go over 2008′s payroll but screw it, we’d be the team to beat hands down. Its a worthy investment.
“Was Mike Cameron ever going to be our savior?”
No. But he’s upgrade the offense in CF from replacement level or worse to above-average. While providing better-than-average defense.
That’s a big deal. Imagine Jose Molina had Bengie’s bat on last year’s team…it’d be that kind of difference.
It’d be a lineup where EVERY hitter was better than average, and some would be premier guys. That’s a lot better, in my mind, than assuming an out in the nine hole and risking putting Hughes AND Kennedy AND Aceves in the rotation at the same time.
Did you read any other post?
that aerticle says the sox are withdrawing themseles..and to tthe contrary of your opinion, i think that manny landing in aneheim or anywhere not named boston increases the yankees chances of getting manny as thas that is one less team to negotiate against for manny’s services.
if the angels lose him they will gop hard after tex. if they get tex they are a non-factor in the manny negptiations as are the sox for pobvious reasons leaving the dodgers and nationals (2 teams the yanks can easily outspend) as the only competitions.
in mid january i think you will see the yankees vs. dodgers for manny and the dodgers have more outfielders than we do not to mention no DH.
Wow almost 320 comments this has too be the most on one post ever
And the best part is, there’s 320 comments in response to nothing happening. Clearly, we all need to get hobbies.
The Office was a repeat tonight and I have no back up Thursday night show and the basketball games on have been boring.
And none of my friends are home from school yet.
A likely story….
Is there anyone out there that shares my disbelief that the Yankees are seemingly resigned/content with letting the Sox come in and get Teixeria? I realize they’ve spent alot of money on pitching but last years team had lots of issues and holes in multiple areas, not just pitching. They NEED to protect A-Rod too. –They have a ton of outfielders and while i think Manny is one of the best hitters we’ve ever see, he isn’t going to produce at the level he did for the Dodgers during the whole life of any contract the Yanks throw at him. Therefore, shifting Swisher to the OF and Tex at first seems to make sense and I feel like the rationale that money is what’s holding the Yankees back doesn’t hold water. -Am I missing something big here as to why the Yankees seemingly are willing to let the Sox dominate the headlines about Teixeria/ sign him?
Manny provides more offense and protection for A-Rod than Tex does for a shorter term, which is less risky. I certainly don’t expect Manny to do what he did for the Dodgers, but I would settle for what he’s done his whole career, which is significantly better than Tex. And Tex’s home/road splits don’t get enough attention imho, he’s a much different hitter on the road. Good, but not elite.
“seemingly are willing to let the Sox dominate the headlines about Teixeria”
Because this part is completely irrelevant.
As for why they don’t care that the _Red Sox_ are signing him…that also doesn’t really matter. If they want him, they should want him on his own merits because he makes sense for the team.
As for whether he makes sense for the team…well, they frankly do not have an unlimited budget. They’ve decided to go for CC and Burnett, and to add a good defensive 1B that has solid on-base skills and power in Swisher.
As for protecting ARod…hey, who hit behind him during his monster 2007 campaign? Some Japanese guy, right?
Could anyone explain to me how Matsui hit 13 HR in August 2007, and only a combined 12 the other 5 months?
He was wearing the Golden Thong
This would be the equivalent of Sox fans flipping out that the Sox let the Yanks go sign CC & Burnett
I dont see the correlation there A.D. — Tex represents a position of need for the Yankees, I love Swish and I think he’s fantastic in the OF (I dont have his defensive numbers but he’s better defensively than Nady or Damon (whoever you want to play the OF) and the Yanks could really benefit from having him in the OF which leaves 1b OPEN, which then gets one thinking that Tex would be a nice fit. to let the Sox sign him without giving them a real run for their money seems to be foolish in my mind, b/c if the Yanks get Tex, the sox then lack the ability to replace manny’s production and protect David Ortiz and his suddenly degenerative wrist.. regardless of what Jason Bay does. So not only do you get Tex if you’re the Yanks and you sign him but you also leave the sox with a glaring hole in their lineup. cuz they’re not bringing manny back and there’s nobody on the market now that can equal the production of these two players. –so, again, i say, why not forget manny and go hard after tex?
I was watching a program on MLB Network about the 2005 world series and it mentioned Albert Pujols’ home run off of Lidge in the NLCS and it reminded me of this picture:
http://i15.photobucket.com/alb....._Owned.jpg
Easily my favorite Schoop of all time.
Listen to this… john henry says the red socks are out of the texeira race!
http://wbztv.com/sports/redsox.....90739.html
Just saw that, its awesome. Wonder who the higher bidder went to
No….freaking…way. Any other sources?
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....re_no.html
Can everyone come in off the ledge now?
Might be strategic by Henry, doesn’t want to play hardball with Boras when the Sox are the main east coast contender, essentially calling Boras on his BS
He said “when we heard about his other offers, its clear we aren’t going to be a factor” If Boras is going “mystery team” or saying the Yanks are offering this, Henry could call him on it.
I doubt it. I don’t think Boras is getting outfoxed by by Mr. Burns. Boras has used “other offers” on much worse plans and made teams pay thru the nose. With Tex, there are other suitors, no doubt.
yeah it was just devils advocate
Don’t go there, we’re all trying to go to bed happy.
not yet but its a direct quote from john henry … so its good enough for me.
Did he seriously type “the Toronto Orioles” in that article?
Someone was typing a biiiit too fast, hm?
must get scooooop
wow
suprising
Roche says Teixeira is still talking with the Angels, Toronto Orioles, and the Washington Nationals.
Oh those tricky Toronto Orioles
Damned Canadian League! Always trying to swipe our biggest stars!
You gotta watch out for those Chicago Phillies and New York Diamondbacks too.
Pittsburgh Marlins.
New York Mets.
Oh wait.
What, no Washington Senators?
Watching the Boston news. John Henry (the Sox owner) just sent an email stating the Red Sox are NOT going to be a factor. I kid you not.
Guess I’m late to the party and should have hit refresh. But good news anyway. I hope they Yankees jump on this news and try to get Manny. If Tex goes to somewhere other than the Angels, and we can scoop in on Manny, this offseason would be phenomenal.
It’s not really that surprising. Tex never made a lot of sense for them, if you thought about it. They had to unload an injured, expensive 3B in order to make room, and the Red Sox really don’t tend to pay to get rid of guys.
They were, probably, in it to make sure that it got to the endgame without the Yanks really being involved.
Edgar Renteria says hello. They absolutely want Tex. Theo’s had his eyes on him for years, and he obsesses over guys. He wanted Lugo for years, who he’ll probably now have to give away and pay a ton. He wanted Drew for years and overpaid for him too.
Yeah…they had to give away ten million whole dollars and got Crisp for him, who was decent — not great — but still was a useful piece for the last two years.
Also…how does signing Lugo when they needed an SS and signing Drew when they needed an RF parallel signing Tex when they have a 1B and 3B already on their roster?
How much of Lowell’s contract would they have to eat? Probably less than they did on Renteria ($11 mil). There’s a huge different between a player like Tex and players like Drew and Lugo, so while they may have filled needs, Tex is a big want. They were meeting him in Texas, don’t think it was any type of smokescreen. They want him, they want him on their terms, which they feel to be significant.
Trade Matsui….he is over
Trade Matsui.
If only it were that easy.
Wow sox arent getting tex. They are out of the bidding
Hey RAB,
A new deadline at work will keep me from participating in the RAB commentaries for the next couple weeks easy. I’m talking about working 12 hour days till probably the first week of January. Till then, I wish you all happy and safe holidays!!
Well have a good X-Mas.
I wish I had a job.
Just read the John Henry quote!!!
Teix, just go to D.C.
Yes, I would love to see Tex just swept under the rug and into the Nationals lineup. Time to sign up Manny and become the team to beat.
Signing Manny is not the smartest thing to do now, definitely not if he’s asking for 3 years.
just to enjoy this moment a bit more, here are some comments from fans on boston.com:
Are you kidding me??? Get out the checkbook Henry!!!!
nice way to drop the ball! thanks for nothing, after all who needs a strong hitter in the line up? we did after all win a championship this year right? oh wait we did not cause we had no power in the line up!
Holy crap…better call Manny
Wanted to sample a few posts on boston.com for you. Good stuff.
What????????????
No Texiera will be a huge failure of an offseason.
Our biggest addition has been a reliever from the Royalls…..god help us
Translation – The Yankees are bidding more and we’re going to be cheap and pretend we don’t have money. Under the blanket of “flexibility” we’ll do nothing until the trade deadline where we sell you on some weird player that isn’t that rad.
Merry X-mas, I’ll go watch Faith Rewarded now
Somebody needs to contact Mr.Henry and let him know that it’s too late to back out now. You’ve gotten all of our hopes up, we really need this guy and you damn well better get him signed. You’ve done right by Red Sox Nation since your group took over,but to back out on this would cause a tremendous backlash. Yeah assuming Papi and Lowell are healthy we’ve got a great Series worthy team,but that’s only for next year. Teixiera keeps us contending for 8 yrs. So,either this is a ploy to get the other bidders to back off OR … Mr.Henry needs to be notified that the entire Nation will revolt if he doesn’t get this done
hey steve h… sorry for beating you to the punch again…. its like were on thesame wavelength or something
I guess I’m a little slow. I couldn’t believe how many posts had already popped up. I reveled in it!
Why does this change what you’d offer Manny? I’d try to get Manny ASAP (not quick with Boras). If Tex is going to Washington/Baltimore we’ll probably have to deal with competition from Anaheim. But Boras knows where Tex is probably going, so he’ll control the Manny decision based on that.
I’d try to get Manny ASAP
No way Boras let’s Manny sign before Tex. Tex sets the market, plus, those teams that lose out on Tex may be more inclined to up their offer to Manny.
I just got to this thread now (helluva day) after already having seen the Boston – Tex story. Reading all the “OMG Sox will killz us, Cash is an idiot — how could we let this happen?” posts from earlier was funny as hell.
Some of you guys are a Marketing person’s wet dream.
Apply Calculated Stimulus —> Admire Predictable Response
Someday you may just figure out that the media makes money by grabbing your attention and then playing on your emotions…or maybe not.