A Nady trade proposal

Abreu in line for real estate disappointment too
An Andy Pettitte musing

Not from me, though. Ken Rosenthal mentioned Xavier Nady and Nick Swisher in connection with the San Francisco Giants, so Grant at McCovey Chronicles checks to see if the clubs match up. He doesn’t like the $22 million gamble on Nick Swisher rebounding, but does find Xavier Nady interesting. Giants GM Brian Sabean has said he will trade for only players who are under control beyond 2009, but Grant points out a possible loophole. What about Randy Winn?

I admit, when I first heard this I thought about it for a second. Winn is coming off two seasons of 105 OPS+ and has generally been above average for his career. He gets on at a decent clip and can hit for average. He could always have a down year, which is a risk, but the same could be said of Nady. He’s got just one year left on his deal, so there would be no long-tem risk. His salary, $8.25 million, will be a couple million north of Nady’s arbitration figure, so a one-for-one swap is feasible.

That’s all secondary, though. The idea behind Grant’s proposal is that Winn can play center, which fills a need (or want, however you think about it) for the Yankees. That’s why I started to think about all those other things related to the proposal. Yet it is flawed at its very core. Randy Winn doesn’t play a good center field, or at least so says his UZR. He hasn’t posted a positive UZR since 2005, and has played a steadily decreasing number of games there since 2004. He’s good in right field, but all things equal I’d rather have Xavier Nady.

So, while it makes a “ton of sense” to Grant, it makes little to me. There’s no reason for the Yankees to trade Nady or Swisher at this point unless they’re blown away with an offer. Every team could use the depth. It could come in handy just a few months from now. Then, with most of the free agents off the board, that depth could be even more valuable.

Abreu in line for real estate disappointment too
An Andy Pettitte musing
  • The Evil Empire

    Eh, career .288 hitter, slugging isn’t good either.

    • The Evil Empire

      I forgot to mention, i don’t think there’s a need to fill the OF in 2009, wait for Holliday, see whether he’s staying in oakland or not for 2010. We should think about Nady, Damon, and Matsui at the end of this season, we’re set for now, let Nady stay and let Gardner patrol CF.

      • al

        who’s to say Holliday will be in Oakland at the end of 2009. as for Damon i can see a 2 year deal unless Gardner can step up this year with the bat.

        • Mike Pop

          Agreed, Damon needs to be back unless Gardner hits very well and shows alot of promise.

        • The Evil Empire

          Where ever Holliday goes he will be FA no? And believe me, if the As look to trade Matt, i think Cashman will give them what they want.

          • Mike Pop

            That makes no sense, we already have an outfield surplus and Beane will try to kill us in a deal. We would probably monitor the situation but we wouldnt be head over heels to acquire him.

            • al

              californi-a is hell of a lot different than coors park.. he could have a worse ba than giambi..

              • al

                revise cali-forn-i-a

            • The Evil Empire

              OF Surplus!? Ha ha, Nady, Matsui and Damon are gone, Melky Swisher and Gardner in the OF is not a surplus.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            i think Cashman will give them what they want.

            That goes against everything Cashman has done regarding midseason trades in the past. He has no problem waiting it out until the price drops to what he’s willing to pay.

            • The Evil Empire

              That’s true, but Holliday makes SO MUCH sense.

              • Should be working

                Holiday makes sense if he shows he can hit in the AL and we sign him, not trade for him.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Since Holliday is represented by Boras, he’s a 99.99999999999% lock to not sign an extension with anybody, neither Oakland nor whomever Oakland trades him to, even if that club is the Red Sox (or us).

                He’s a safer bet to hit free agency than Sabathia when the Brewers traded for him. It would be foolish to waste prospects for two months of Holliday midseason when that gains you no advantage in having him when we’d want him (2010 and beyond).

    • Chris C.

      The Yankees are shopping Nady to dump salary.

      Nady is set to make 3.6 mill this year.
      Winn is set to make 8.9 mill this year.

      That’s salary-dumping in the bizarro world.

      Not to mention, since Nady is a Boras client and is arbitration eligible after 2009, all the Yankees have to do is offer him arb, have him decline, then get a very good draft pick when he signs elsewhere.

      That sounds to me like it has way more value to the Yankees than Randy Wynn.

      • A.D.

        Assumption is that Nady will win ~6M through arbitration this year. He’s a free agent after ’09

      • Dan Pasqua

        From the post:

        “With a straight one-for-one swap, perhaps with the Giants sending the difference in salaries (about $3M or $4M after Nady goes to arbitration),”

        ..that was a part of the trade scenario…

    • Chris C.

      “So, while it makes a “ton of sense” to Grant, it makes little to me.”

      Of course it doesn’t. Because it’s written by a guy who has no idea who Brett Gardner is. The dope names the two Yankee centerfield options as “Swisher and Cabrera”.

      Saying that Randy Wynn, defensively, would be the Yankees best options is absolutely incorrect.

      • Dan Pasqua

        Of course it doesn’t. Because it’s written by a guy who has no idea who Brett Gardner is. The dope names the two Yankee centerfield options as “Swisher and Cabrera”.

        Do you really think the Yankees will start Gardner? I don’t.

        • Chris C.

          Is he an option, though? And is he a better defensive outfielder than Wynn?

          Yes and yes.

          “Do you really think the Yankees will start Gardner?”

          I don’t know, but I think they should. God forbid the Yankees give the kid a chance. I mean geez, his speed represents nothing but upside.
          The Yankees don’t have a single player who scares any pitcher on the basepaths.
          If this kid can reach base the way the Yankees think he can, do you understand how important that could be?

  • http://incumbentgm.wordpress.com The Third Yip-Yip

    I don’t think we’d have to be blown away on Nady. Do you really want to pay a guy who doesn’t walk the $6 million or so he will be due, not to mention that he might not even get 400 PAs.

  • X-Man(Angel)

    Randy who?

  • Ivan

    The media are blowing this shit out their ass. There assumption is hey since they have an extra OFer or 2, hey the yanks wanna trade those guys period.

    Obviously not the case, unless of course the deal is too good to pass up and Randy Winn/Nady trade is far from one of them.

  • Phil McCracken

    Best they can come up with is Randy Winn? No thanks.

  • Mike Pop

    What if it was for Jayson Werth? Hes a FA like Nady at the end of the year, can play CF or the corners. Do you think Phillies would entertain that? Just throwing it out there, maybe they would entertain it, their current outfield is Ibanez, Victorino, Werth.

    • JeffG

      They are propably not going to be the next Florida Marlins and dimantle their team that they have worked hard to build. More than likely no chance.

    • A.D.

      My guess is there is a better chance they give Werth an extension… but his superior defense would be nice

    • Chris C.

      “What if it was for Jayson Werth? Hes a FA like Nady at the end of the year, can play CF or the corners. Do you think Phillies would entertain that?”

      Sure, that would be entertaining for the Phillies. They’ll get a mighty good laugh.

      I’m sure the Phillies would love to trade a guy who is an excellent outfielder with a .363 OBP and an .861 OPS who’s making 1.7 mill in 2009 and is under 30 years old for Xavier Nady.
      That’s just the kind of thing World Championship teams do!

      • Mike Pop

        He had a fluke season

        • Chris C.

          And Nady didn’t? This was a typical Nady year?

          His OBP was 40 points higher than Nadys. That’s no fluke.

  • Mike R.

    Is Winn really an improvement over Swisher in CF? Not enough to merit trading 1 year of Nady + 2 Draft picks for him IMHO.

    • Chris C.

      “Is Winn really an improvement over Swisher in CF?”

      Honestly, what is going on with this “put anyone in centerfield who ISN’T named Brett Gardner” bullshit amongst the fans??
      Since when did Yankee fans turn their back on giving their young kids a chance? Were you people even alive in the 80’s?????

      So because Hughes and Kennedy had rough go’s in 2008, we must scrap any and all plans to develope from within?
      Nick fuckin Swisher in CENTER??????????

      • Klemy

        No. I think because Brett Gardner had such an awful time hitting in 2008 that people are saying that. Personally, I can live with Gardner or Melky playing CF for the defense this season, while the offense comes from elsewhere and CF bats 9th.

        • Chris C.

          “No. I think because Brett Gardner had such an awful time hitting in 2008 that people are saying that.”

          And that’s what “splits” are for………so the intelligent fan can see the progress a guy makes the more plate appearences he gets. And Gardner certainly made progress.

          “Personally, I can live with Gardner or Melky playing CF for the defense this season, while the offense comes from elsewhere and CF bats 9th.”

          And even better, the Yankees may also discover that they have the next Mickey Rivers on their hands for years to come in the outfield. That’s not such a bad thing, is it?
          Honestly, how many people in the majors last season have you seen that can run like Brett Gardner?? Not many.
          How is this not at least intriguing to people?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    That deal makes zero sense for the Yanks. Nady’s younger, cheaper, and a better hitter. So Winn can play centerfield, big the deal. The Yanks will have four players on their roster capable of playing center next year, so it’s not exactly a gaping hole.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      When I made out the lineup for next year, it looks liked this:

      Damon LF
      Jeter SS
      Teixeira 1B
      Rodriguez 3B
      Mastui DH
      Posada C
      Swisher RF
      Cano 2B
      Gaping Hole CF

      I don’t know what you’re talking about, Mike. I like the idea of keeping Melky, Brett Gardner and Nady on the bench. It gives us a few extra outfielders, and I figure Damon and Swisher can man the entire outfield between the two of them.

      • Jack

        Sadly, that hole will probably cover more ground than Abreu did.

        • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

          nice.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Poor Bobby. Between this thread and this comment, he’s become the undeserved butt of all of our jokes.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Poor Bobby. Between this thread and this comment, he’s become the undeserved butt of all of our jokes.

            Fixed.

          • Chris C.

            It’s bound to happen for a guy who only catches balls that are hit directly at him.

      • The Evil Empire

        So you think we’re signing Damon and Matsui again. Interesting

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          Next year = 2009, not 2010.

  • Reggie C.

    I just hope it doesn’t happen. Lets keep Gardner, Nady, Damon, and Swisher together and figure out the at-bats as we go. Swisher I’ve accepted the “OF depth” argument hook-line-and-sinker. We’ve got Swish through 2011 . If he doesn’t get 500 at-bats in ’09, it wouldn’t be the end of the world. The sample size at the end should still be large enough to know if Swish did in fact rebound.

    So the only question is … who takes the bench? Swish or Nady?

    • Reggie C.

      Note: Unless Cashman is actually a Jedi and spin Swish or Nady for somebody like a Rasmus or Maybin …. it just doesn’t pay to lose 400 or so at-bats from Swish or Nady.

      • Chris C.

        “Note: Unless Cashman is actually a Jedi and spin Swish or Nady for somebody like a Rasmus or Maybin …. it just doesn’t pay to lose 400 or so at-bats from Swish or Nady.”

        I don’t know what you’re getting at, but if the YAnkees have an outfield of Damon, Swisher, and Nady, it will be both the worst offensive AND defensive outfield in baseball.

        • A.D.

          No one is saying that for an outfield, 400 at bats would mean that Matsui, Swish, and Nady combine for 2 full time spots

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I don’t know what you’re getting at, but if the YAnkees have an outfield of Damon, Swisher, and Nady, it will be both the worst offensive AND defensive outfield in baseball.

          Nearly every reasoned analysis would disagree with that statement.

          That outfield would likely be middle-of-the-pack defensively, and excellent offensively.

          • Chris C.

            That outfield would likely be middle-of-the-pack defensively, and excellent offensively.

            I disagree. That is a very weak-hitting outfield, and just about every baserunner would be taking two bags on their arms.
            If not the worst, it would be close to it.
            At least they could improve it defensively with Gardner out there.

  • http://asportsaddictneedsdivineintervention.blogspot.com/ E-ROC

    Haha so let’s offer an older declining player for Nady who is still in his prime and can play first or any of the corner outfield spots? That’s comical. Jonathan Sanchez, dammit!

  • Jerry

    Unless they are blown away by a Gorkys Hernandez type, they should sit tight. If they do trade one, hopefully it will be for a position player prospect.

    • Mike Pop

      Or a guy who can possibly hold down a spot in the rotation this year.

  • http://jobba77@live.com Old Ranger

    Keep all the OF. The way things have been going (health wise) to last few years, we may need all of them. Also, as much as I like Brett Gardner, he will need to win a spot just like everyone else. Just hope he gets a chance, if he and melky fails, we will need all those guys.

  • KB

    Nady and a pitcher for Nelson Cruz

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Surely, you’re joking.

  • Mike Pop

    Is Fred Lewis any good, what about Nady for him?

  • http://thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

    I think you have to consider trading Johnny Damon. I know it sounds laughable, but if you look at some of the numbers and consider the regression we are soon to see with Damon and the rebound we’ll soon see with Swisher, I’d take an OF of Swisher, Nady and Gardner over Nady, Damon and Gardner. I know Damon is valuable at the top of the batting order, but if the Yankees actually believe that Gardner can play everyday, then his skills can translate to that role.

    • Mike Pop

      I hear what your saying but I just think it would be too risky to trade Damon at this point. He is too valuable at the top of the lineup, like these guys from RAB said on lohud, when Damon goes, the Yankees go.

      • http://thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

        I definitely agree that it would be risky, but imagine how little power an OF consisting of Gardner, Damon and Nady (the most powerful) could potentially provide (it’s not much). Swisher is fine defensively and could play LF while providing so much more offensively (he’s also affordable, under team control, and young).

      • Chris C.

        “I hear what your saying but I just think it would be too risky to trade Damon at this point. He is too valuable at the top of the lineup, like these guys from RAB said on lohud, when Damon goes, the Yankees go.”

        Oh, Jeter can’t lead off and do every bit the job Damon does? Baloney.
        Then you can slot Swisher or Matsui into the 2-hole.
        This is not rocket science, nor is Damon irreplacable.

  • Adrian-Retire21

    The Yankees should trade either Nady or Swisher.I mean Swisher is no good as a bench player.They should trade for young hitting players.Something they need.

    • http://thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

      Isn’t that what Swisher is?

      • The Evil Empire

        UUHHH, no

        • RustyJohn

          Yes, certainly it would be unreasonable to think that Swisher isn’t going to be the .260 hitter with 100 walks and 25-30 homerun player he was in 2006 and 2007- plus with an ability to play above average firstbase to give Tex a day off, above average left and right and a fill-in at center. All for 5 million a year and at age 28. Get rid of that guy, he’s a bum.

          • RustyJohn

            How come when Paul O’Neil hits 20 homers and has an OPS+ of 130 whle on ‘roids he’s the greatest thing since Jesus Christ, but when Swisher is brought in and can do the same thing he’s a piece of crap?

            • Chris C.

              Okay………..so when Swisher comes in and wins a batting title, we’ll give him his props.
              Until then, he’s just a guy who’s as good as his last season.

              • http://thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

                That’s really a dumb way to look at things. If that were the case, the Yankees would have never brought him to NY.

              • RustyJohn

                So if a career .288 hitter hits .360 one year, then his entire career should be judged by that one year, but if a career .250 hitter hits .219 one season, then his career should be judged by the .219 season. This, of course, ignores the .250 hitter’s 100 walks per year and greater home-run potential.

                Questions- when O’Neil came to New York after hitting .246 with 14 homeruns in 1992, did you also say he was a guy who’s as good as his last season? When Giambi had an OPS+ of 128 last year, while getting paid $21 million to play crap defense at first, was he as good as his last season too?

                Don’t quite understand the lack of love for Swisher who would put up comperable numbers as Giambi did last year if he played full-time for 1/4 the price and above average defense.

                • Chris C.

                  “Questions- when O’Neil came to New York after hitting .246 with 14 homeruns in 1992, did you also say he was a guy who’s as good as his last season?”

                  Yes. Yes I did. Then he proved that he was better than that. So until Swisher does that for the Yankees, and does what O’Neill did, there’s no use measuring his worth on projections…………..or calling O’Neill a player on steroids, for that matter.

                  Don’t quite understand the lack of love for Swisher who would put up comperable numbers as Giambi did last year if he played full-time for 1/4 the price and above average defense

                  I like Swisher. I think it was a good move to bring him in. But shit man, O’Neill came in, won a batting title, then was the #3 hitter on four championship teams! Why the hell are you dragging him into this, wondering why Yankee fans adored him, then accusing him of roiding up? What did he do, blow you off for an autograph?

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Until then, he’s just a guy who’s as good as his last season.

                It’s interesting that you say this here about Swisher, and earlier in the thread are interested in analyzing and extrapolating every single positive little bit of information available to make a case for Gardner’s success.

                For Gardner, 141 PA’s at poor-to-average productiong should not stop us from giving him the benefit of the doubt and we must assume he will improve. But for Swisher, we should ignore the 1,924 pre-2008 PA’s that say he’s a damn good player and focus only on the 588 PA’s last year that say he’s mediocre.

                • Chris C.

                  It’s interesting that you say this here about Swisher, and earlier in the thread are interested in analyzing and extrapolating every single positive little bit of information available to make a case for Gardner’s success

                  Gardner was a rookie……..he deserves more of a chance than the few sporadic AB’s he had in 2008. He is also a defensive stalwart, and a danger on the basepaths.
                  But he is STILL only as good as his last season. Just like Swisher.

                  And in regards to Swisher, I’ve said many times that I like the signing, and think he will have a decent year.
                  But if we’re gonna slam Paul O’Neill to build up Swisher, forget it.

  • RustyJohn

    Why, exactly, is there this sudden desire to trade an outfielder when the outfield this season consists of a 35 year old left fielder with a history of injuries (thankfully still played 140 games last year), a center fielder of either Melky/Gardner, a right fielder under a very reasonable contract and only one-year left in Nady and a DH who just had two knee surgeries.

    Does anyone realistically think Swisher isn’t going to get into a significant number of games either giving Damon or Matsui a day off or as a defensive replacement for Damon in the late innings? Where is the excess? Plus, come next year Damon and/or Nady are gone and Swisher will have a corner outfielder spot, we’ll see if Gardner develops and there will be a need for another corner outfielder.

    As for the current outfield having a lack of homerun power, the team overall will likely get home run output of 20 homers from Posada, 35 homers from Tex, 15-20 from Cano, 10 from Jeter, 35-40 from Arod, 15 from Damon, 20-25 from Nady, 10 from Melky/Garder, 20 from Matsui and 15 from Swisher (assuming he plays part-time). That comes out to 195 homeruns by the team which would be third in the league last year.

  • Bryan

    They’re trying to get rid of outfielders by adding another one?????

    Not only that, Winn is a downgrade from Nady.

    This might be worse then the Cameron deal.. (Ok, Not really)

  • ‘The’ Steve

    Cashman was interviewed several times yesterday, and said “the 2009 CF will come from either Melky or Brett Gardner”.

    I know nobody wants to believe that, but he’s said that consistently all off season.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Need I point you to the case of Bubba Crosby?

      • Chris C.

        “Need I point you to the case of Bubba Crosby?”

        Ahh yes. So every rookie lefty who plays center coming up to the majors should automatically fall into the “Bubba Crosby” catagory.
        Remember when the Indians got rid of Grady Sizemore, because his first season reminded them of Bubba Crosby?

    • The Evil Empire

      Bunch of crap. Nady Swisher & Damon is the best offense.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        It is.

        However, Damon-Gardner-Swisher could easily be the best defense, perhaps the best in the league. And, offensively, it may not be a downgrade significant enough to make up for the gigantic upgrade defensively.

        It might be a net gain.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Okay, let’s get sabermetric. Somebody, please correct me if I’m screwing the math up:

          Net Production, by Offensive Runs above Average (wRAA) and Ultimate Zone Rating/150 (UZR/150) [all numbers 2008, except for Swisher’s, which is all 2007]

          LF Johnny Damon: 22.9 wRAA, 16.3 UZR/150
          CF Nick Swisher: 16.6 wRAA, -11.2 UZR/150
          RF Xavier Nady: 22.8 wRAA, 0.6 UZR/150

          Total offensive production: 62.3 runs above average
          Total defensive production: 5.7 runs above average
          TOTAL: 68 RUNS ABOVE AVERAGE

          vs.

          LF Johnny Damon: 22.9 wRAA, 16.3 UZR/150
          CF Brett Gardner: -5.4 wRAA, 40.2 UZR/150
          RF Nick Swisher: 16.6 wRAA, 27.8 UZR/150

          Total offensive production: 27.5 runs above average
          Total defensive production: 84.3runs above average
          TOTAL: 111.8 RUNS ABOVE AVERAGE

          • KW

            Looks right to me, or at least is the direction is right. But as commented on the site a couple of weeks ago, defense is “overrated”, so some will have trouble accepting defensive run reduction as being equal to offensive run creation

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              However importantly you value it, it’s hard to deny the following:
              1) Johnny Damon covers a ton of ground and is a good defensive LF.
              2) Brett Gardner covers a ton of ground and is an excellent defensive CF.
              3) Nick Swisher covers a ton of ground and is a good defensive RF.
              4) While they may not have outstanding arms, the Damon-Gardner-Swisher OF is a world-class outstanding defensive outfield, something we haven’t had for a long, long time.

              • KW

                Yup, totally agree. We haven’t had a decent outfield since…what? the days of bernie curtis and o’neill? and that was just good to the naked eye, without stats to really pore through. Again, I think if Gardner plays a CF as well as he did last year, we could be in for a quantum leap in output, regardless of his bat (which probably can’t be worse, and may be better)

              • Chris C.

                “1) Johnny Damon covers a ton of ground and is a good defensive LF.”

                Well……..you still need to be able to throw the baseball to prevent runners from tagging or taking 2 bases, but okay.

                “2) Brett Gardner covers a ton of ground and is an excellent defensive CF.”

                Amen. And can throw the ball too!

                “3) Nick Swisher covers a ton of ground and is a good defensive RF.”

                And aside from occasionally spelling Tex at 1st, Swisher’s service should not be needed anywhere else on the field.

                “4) While they may not have outstanding arms, the Damon-Gardner-Swisher OF is a world-class outstanding defensive outfield, something we haven’t had for a long, long time.”

                And of the above 3 you mentioned, would you believe there are actually Yankee fans who want to leave out the guy who covers the most ground, has the best glove, AND the best arm of them all (aside from Cabrera’s gun).????
                Hey, if not “World Class”, it’s at least the best the Yankees can do heading into the season.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  None of what you just said makes any sense.

                • Chris C.

                  Okay, I’ll break it down for you in laymans terms:

                  Damon is a decent outfielder with a shitty arm, Gardner is an excellent all-around outfielder, and Swisher’s only two positions on the Yankees should be a RF or 1B.

                  Yankee fans are goofy to discount what Gardner can bring to the team, and the outfield is probaly slightly below “World Class”, but still very good defensively.

                  Hope that clears things up.

            • Chris C.

              “so some will have trouble accepting defensive run reduction as being equal to offensive run creation”

              I also notice that these “some” you’re referring to were not in the playoffs last season.
              Did the Phillies, Rays, or Red Sox look like teams who didn’t give a crap about their defense??

      • Chris C.

        There’s more to winning than just offense, slappy!
        And that “offense” you speak of isn’t all that great to begin with.

    • Chris C.

      I want to believe it! I absolutely want to believe in a GM who thinks that defense up the middle holds some importance.
      Hopefully, the Jeter issue will be addressed in the near future as well.

  • Mike

    Places where I have heard Nady linked to

    SF
    Cin
    Atl
    (I would want young arms / talent from each that they probably won’t give up for Nady…)

    any other teams that you can think of?

  • mike G.

    i think nady is clutch. back when he was with the mets they had a shot, they lost him and duaner and it has been downhill ever since.

    maybe trade a couple of guys to the Giants for Johnathan Sanchez. his strike out ratio is awesome and with some run support he could win 14-19 games. i think.

    i dunno. i got everything i wished for in the offseason. pitching and defensive first baseman. can’t believe they gave giambi’s number to tex. slap in the face.

    • Should be working

      Slap in the face? I dont think so. While everyone liked Giambi he wasnt the next comming of Babe Ruth or something. If anything he slapped us by being under productive in comparison to his contract. According to Fangraphs, playing with us his worth was 73.2 while we paid him 115. I like the guy, but its just a number…

  • Bo

    Randy Winn? Really? I just threw up in my mouth.

    I really doubt they traded a guy like Tabata for 2 months of Nady. Why are people so intent with them moving someone here? Why not have a great bench for the first time in a decade?

  • LeftyLarry

    Brett Gardner needs to play every day.No reason why he can’t succeed.Ye of little faith.When he came back he hit well over .300 the last 40 or so at bats.

    • Should be working

      He’s gotta stay consistent to succeed. .160 in July isnt gunna cut it. I wanna see him hit when the games matter. Not when the sason is over already.

      • Chris C.

        “He’s gotta stay consistent to succeed. .160 in July isnt gunna cut it.”

        That was his first trip to the majors. Does it really have to be explained to you that players need to get their feet wet before you can get a true barometer of what they can do?

    • MattG

      Watching him hit, I don’t know how he’d ever hit a double. In his first forty abs, I don’t think he got it out of the infield.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        True.

        However, with his upper-echelon speed, if he gets on first, he’s gonna be on second in no time. He may be a better basestealer than Jose Reyes.

      • Chris C.

        “Watching him hit, I don’t know how he’d ever hit a double”

        Reach first, steal 2nd. There you go.
        Brett Gardner can hit about 70 doubles and 30 triples a season.
        If it would make you happier to watch him slam one off the wall, then lumber into 2nd with his fat hanging out, that’s your business.

  • Un-Named Yankee Source

    Just keep the OF intact. If an offer that is irresistable comes along take it. but otherwise, …offer Nady Arb. Next year, ..if he takes you get him for 1 year at 8 Mil, or you get draft pics. Look at the FA OF next year… not a real impressive bunch. Left fielders
    Marlon Anderson (36)
    Jason Bay (31)
    Carl Crawford (28) – $10MM club option with a $1.25MM buyout
    Johnny Damon (36)
    David Dellucci (36)
    Matt Holliday (30)
    Omar Infante (28)
    Greg Norton (37)
    Wily Mo Pena (28)
    Dave Roberts (38)
    Fernando Tatis (35)

    Center fielders
    Rick Ankiel (30)
    Marlon Byrd (32)
    Mike Cameron (37)
    Endy Chavez (32)
    Coco Crisp (30) – $8MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Darin Erstad (36)
    Ryan Freel (34)
    Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
    Reed Johnson (33)
    Andruw Jones (33)
    Corey Patterson (30)

    Right fielders
    Jermaine Dye (36) – $12MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Brian Giles (39)
    Vladimir Guerrero (34)
    Geoff Jenkins (35) – $7.5MM mutual option with a $1.25MM buyout
    Austin Kearns (30) – $10MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Jason Michaels (34)
    Xavier Nady (31)
    Magglio Ordonez (36) – $15MM club/vesting option with a $3MM buyout
    Jayson Werth (31)
    Randy Winn (36)

    • RustyJohn

      Vladimer Guerrero’s actual age has to be like 36

  • MattG

    I am doing the math, and I see an issue.

    Assuming the Yankees keep 12 pitchers (which they are sure to do, even though with CC and Wang they could/should go with 11), there are 4 bench spots. Jose Molina (his butt takes up two of them, but one guy can stand) and Cody Ransom (or his replacement) claim two.

    I am not comfortable with Nady and Gardner as the other two. You really want Cody Ransom as the only guy that could possibly take a day at SS? There will never be a day that two infielders can’t go?

    It just occured to me because I read he was just signed, and I probably should look at it more, but maybe the Reds would be interested in a Nady (with money) for Hairston (with prospect) swap. Hairston is really miscast as an everyday corner OF, which is how Cinn appears set to use him, but he is a terrific bench player (he played 6 positions last year), which is how the Yankees seem set to use Nady.

    • Should be working

      Angel Berroa is a possibility.

      • MattG

        I’m eating breakfast, you know.

        • Un-Named Yankee Source

          HA HA, do not vomit your eggs… Berrora beat Godzilla for ROY. Imagine the tension in the clubhouse. Reminds me of Major League!

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I think we should sign Eric Hinske and Jason Jennings, bring Mike Piazza, Scott Williamson, Todd Hollandsworth, Hideo Nomo, Kaz Sasaki, Bob Hamelin, Marty Cordova, Ben Grieve, and good ol’ Knobby out of retirement, and trade Nady to Colorado for Huston Street and IPK to Detroit for Dontrelle Willis.

            You know, corner the market on former Rookies of the Year, like the Dukes did with FCOJ. We can’t possibly lose.

            (Not Raul Mondesi, though… fuck that fatty. Once was enough.)

            • Un-Named Yankee Source

              That is a great idea. But Raul Mondesi, have some love for us porkers, you did take on Bob Hamelin.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Just wait… you’ll see why I did that soon.

                (in 3… 2… 1…)

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  You dirty illegitimate son of a goat-herding wh*re!

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Took you long enough.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Let’s just ask Ben to change the time-stamp.

                  http://instantrimshot.com/

                  /ducks

    • Un-Named Yankee Source

      Hariston will be Cin shortstop. Also, if 2 infielders can not go, the Yanks will utilize the DL and call someone up. Swisher can play 1B and in a pinch Tex can play 3B (where he started his career) ARod can cover short. Damon has the arm for 2B (HA HA HA). But Hariston for Nady, ….eeeek. I do not support that move.

      • MattG

        Utilize the DL can often be a really poor option. If Jeter bruises his hand from a HBP–DL? Tweaks a hamstring. Twists an ankle.

        If you don’t like Nady for Hairston, forget I said it. But instead, think trade Nady, get something good back, then find a guy that can play infield and outfield for Nady’s spot on the roster.

        • Un-Named Yankee Source

          Why not just sign Wiggington or Hinske and call it a day. If Jeter gets hurt, ARod moves over. And one of these guys covers 3B.

  • Un-Named Yankee Source

    Think about the amount of flexibility the Joe will have to keep everyone fresh. The OF is interchangable. 1B has a quality backup. C has a servicable backup. 2/3/SS has a servicable backup. The Yanks have the ability to have every player play 3/4th a season, and then be fresh for the playoffs. Also, there will be little to no need to go crazy at the trading deadline and overpay for a player to fill a hole. Pretty good situation to be in.

    • MattG

      I disagree. The OF is well-covered, but the infield coverage is weak. The Yankees need a Ryan Freel–Jerry Hairson player in Nady’s role.

      Or just carry 11 pitchers. What’s wrong with a six man bullpen anyway?

      • Un-Named Yankee Source

        If you were able to trade Cabrera/Gardner for Freel/Almezaga I support that move. Once again the DL can be utilized. If 2 guys go down 1 one day it could be awkard otherwise bring up Berrora if necessary.

        • MattG

          Alright–good point. It doesn’t need to be in Nady’s role, but in Nady-or-Gardner’s role. If Gardner can bring back a player that can play six positions, the Yankees need to consider it.

          Of course, I have no faith in Gardner.

          • Un-Named Yankee Source

            Why not just sign Wiggington or Hinske and call it a day. If Jeter gets hurt, ARod moves over. And one of these guys covers 3B.

            • MattG

              If the Yankees are comfortable with Rodriguez at SS for 1-5 starts this year, and Hinske can still play third, I am good with that. But he’ll take Gardner’s roster spot (which I am also good with–Damon and Swisher can both handle CF)

              Go with 11 pitchers. Solves everything. Starters 1-4 can all go deep, and the relievers can all throw strikes (well, except Bruney) and rack up outs. Don’t try to match up. Extend the relievers to 30 pitches. It’ll work, I say!

              • Un-Named Yankee Source

                Now that we resolved that issue, …what is for lunch!

                • MattG

                  Resolved the issue? No lunch for you until you have Hinske’s name on a contract.

                • Un-Named Yankee Source

                  Please, I am hungry master.

            • Should be working

              Wigginton is going to want to start and get starters money. Which he’ll probably get. If not, I’d love to have him on the bench.

          • JeffG

            I really hope we keep Gardner at least as the 4OFer. He is such a nice weapon to have off the bench in a late, tight game where you need the stolen base.

  • A.D.

    I’m pretty sure at this point, cash isn’t parting with Nady or Swisher unless its a very nice deal. Think what Cash got Swisher for, he’s not going to potentially un-do that steal by shipping him off for junk.

  • JeffG

    I’d like to see Nady and Swisher in spring training. Giardi should have a better feel as to whether or not he thinks Swisher is poised for a turnaround. Probably will be checking the double chin measurments. If he swings well though, it would be nice to have his long at bats in the line-up.
    That said right now I do not necessarily think Swisher is headed for a better season. Nady has been improving while Swish has not. Trends can always reverse but it is usually safer to bet on the way the ball has been rolling.
    And I while I might agree with Joe that it’s nice to have the depth created by holding our parts, my guess is that Cash is going to trade for a center fielder. Obviously the hard thing is that a quality CF is not easily parted with. Might ultimatly be necessary to use one of our two corner chips.

    • Un-Named Yankee Source

      An Outfield of Damon-LF Swisher-CF Nady-RF is not that horrible defensively. And is a plus offensively. On days that we do not need as much offense, rotate to put a better fielder in CF and rest LF/RF/DH/1B.

      • JeffG

        I really can’t comment on how well I think Swisher can play CF having a very blury memory of having watched him play. If he was in our division that would be different. So just going by the info availible that I have read it doesn’t seem to me that he will match up with expectations. Tommie already commented above regarding balancing the tradeoff between defense vs. projected offense upgrade. Perhaps a trade will ultimately be the best solution. Who knows what availiable though?

  • Un-Named Yankee Source

    For the record, I still think we should get, …drumroll please! Omar Vizquel

    • Un-Named Yankee Source

      Also where in the world is Luis Visciano when you need him?

  • frank

    We need to look beyond this coming season when Nady, Matsui and Damon come off the books and likely won’t be back. That’s why trading Swisher makes absolutely no sense, not to mention his youth , versatility and the fact he’s under contract for another 2 years with an option. Assuming things stay as they are, in 2010, the Yanks are looking at an OF of Swisher, Gardner(and that’s assuming he proves this year he can do an adequate job) and A-Jax ( assuming he does well enough this year in AAA to even get a shot next year). Off the bat, the Yanks will likely need to get at least 1 proven OFr. If Swisher is traded this season, they would pretty much have to get at least 2 proven OFs. And I don’t see Holliday as a option given his defense is not very good, he will command a Teixeira like contract (I cant see the Yanks dishing out another 150M+ for another player), and there’s still the question about how good a hitter he is away from the Coors launching pad.

  • SoCalYankeeFan

    I agree Cash$ should keep both Swisher and Nady. If he gets bowled over for either such as:

    Nady to SF for J. Sanchez and a prospect.
    Nady to Atl for Jo-jo Reyes and Martin Prado (can play everywhere)

    Otherwise just keep both to keep Damon’s legs fresh and when Matsui goes down with another knee injury.

    SoCalYankeeFan 8)

    • MattG

      Is that Atlanta trade a real rumor? That’s pretty interesting. I’d like to know more about Reyes’ chances. The major league numbers are pitiful.

      • A.D.

        Neither is a reported rumor

  • Trevor

    I would love to trade Matsui. Make Damon the DH. Also that would keep him really healthy. Gardner/Melky in CF. LF Nady and RF Swisher

    LF Nady CF Gardner/Melky RF Swisher

    • Ryan S.

      What’s the impetus to trade Matsui at a low value? Unless you wanted to make room for Manny (which I’d be all for), there just isn’t much of a reason to do that. Also, Damon is an excellent LF – there’s no reason to make him the everyday DH. He just needs to be the DH like twice a month to make sure he stays fresh.

      • MattG

        $$$

        Matsui would be my first choice to go, too. Those predicting newfound health and a rebound are getting a little ahead of themselves, I think.

  • Un-Named Yankee Source

    Matsui can play the Chili Davis role circa ’96. Scarry offence off the bench. Let all our Senior Citizens rest!

  • Bonos

    Matsui had minor surgery, it’s not like they amputated. As teams set up their lineups Nady makes a lot of short term sense for other teams. With our bounty in the bullpen a package deal for high level young Of to compete with Ajax next year makes a lot of sense. We can pick up a bench player if necessary. Right now the loser of the Melky/Gardner tilt makes a nice bench player.

  • A.D.

    Say no to Winn, a Nady or Swish trade pre-season should be for prospect talent in some form or another.

  • BillyBall

    Lets look into the idea of trading Swisher or Nady. Cashman once again on record stated our 20090 budget will be lower than 2008 during the Texiera inauguration. He than went on to say that the moves made this year were made with the thought that there would be restrictions going into the future free agent market because of the moves and the plan the Cash has set up. My feeling is that either Swisher or Nady will be traded. Melky will also be traded especially if he has a decent spring training. This will lower the budget a tiny bit and also decrease the surplus of OF depth. I believe the Yankees are going to look into signing that Cuban CF who supposedly has speed and is a good defender. Gardner and the Cuban will split CF. Damon will play LF and Swisher will be the RF with Nady being traded. Nady will be traded for another back end rotation arm and a decent infield prospect that can play above avg. defense.