Jan
24

Heyman: Yanks still talking to Pettitte & Sheets

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According to SI’s Jon Heyman, the Yanks are still looking to add a veteran presence to their rotation, and are still having dialogue with free agents Andy Pettitte and Ben Sheets. In one helluva coincidence, Joe talked about Sheets’ new medical report and Ben mused about Pettitte within the last 24 hours. With each passing day, I’m more and more intrigued by the possiblity of adding Sheets to the rotation, especially since it’ll only cost a fourth rounder.

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  1. Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

    I can’t see Andy coming back if they lowered the offer. He thought the first contract was a slap in the face. But I guess they see Sheets as being available for 8-9 per, and there’s no question he’s a far better pitcher than Andy is (or ever was) when healthy.

  2. Mike Pop says:

    The only “problem” with Sheets is that you would have to do a 1+1 year club option just to make sure the Yanks don’t get screwed. But that would block Hughes for 2010. Is that a problem?

    • AMS223 says:

      i personally think hughes is young enough where you could still be fine with this. Not to mention as we all know you cannot guarantee the health of starters and to have him be the next in line is a great “problem” to have. With AJ and Sheets in the rotation hughes will get his innings no doubt.

      • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

        What about letting Hughes get his feet wet in the bigs out of the bullpen? I thought he was somewhat overwhelmed when they made him a starter, but getting outs piece by piece out of the bullpen could be a way to get him some MLB development and more importantly, confidence. Also buys him time to refine his change up and cutter.

        • Kevin G. says:

          What about letting Hughes get his feet wet in the bigs out of the bullpen?

          I ‘m not saying I disagree with you, but it may start up the whole “Joba to the bullpen” thing again, except with it being Hughes people want to waste in the bullpen.

          • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

            Who cares what people say on talk shows, you can’t let that either stop you or influence your decision making in any way.

            BTW-Starting off out of the bullpen worked out pretty well with Joba, didn’t it?

            • Mike A. says:

              BTW-Starting off out of the bullpen worked out pretty well with Joba, didn’t it?

              And Johan. And Pedro. And Pettitte. And Billingsley. And countless others.

              • Mike R. says:

                They should all be in the pen! With Joba, Pettitte, Pedro, Johan, and Billingsly setting up for Mo we are essentially cutting games down to 4 innings you IDIOTE!!!!!1!!!!!!I!!!one!

                • Mike Pop says:

                  dude we’d like only give up like 2 runs a game like on average dude it would be wild

                • Matt says:

                  Every game will go like this:

                  Inning/Pitcher
                  1: CC
                  2. AJ
                  3. Wang
                  4. Kennedy
                  5. Sheets
                  6. Hughes
                  7. Aceves
                  8. Joba
                  9. Mo

                • Mike Pop says:

                  NOO putting IPK the bust in there would ruin everything! We need Marte there!!

                • Matt says:

                  Oh goodness! What was I thinking?!

                • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

                  Actually, CC would go 1-3 and then come in to close a day or two later.

                  Tournament Baseball, the wave of the future. All hands on deck, play every game like the 7th game of the WS. Everyone pitches an inning or two every few days. The minute someone gets in trouble, you bring someone else in.

                  In all seriousness, I don’t see what a team like the Nats or Royals would have to lose if they tried this. Most pitchers see their #s go down each time through a lineup, so just use each guy once through a lineup, or less if he sucks that day. It would be fun as hell to see some team try this.

                • Mike A. says:

                  In all seriousness, I don’t see what a team like the Nats or Royals would have to lose if they tried this. Most pitchers see their #s go down each time through a lineup, so just use each guy once through a lineup, or less if he sucks that day. It would be fun as hell to see some team try this.

                  There’s two problems with that. The first is obvious, the pitchers just wouldn’t be able to pitch every day.

                  The second is that more pitchers you bring into a game, the more likely it is that one just won’t have it that day and give up a big inning. That’s the problem with all these specializes relievers today, the more you use in a game, the more likely it is that one will suck and cost you a W.

                • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

                  Not every day, you carry 12 pitchers and could average 4 a day, every 3 days. No throw days.

                  Another thing that could make this work is every pitcher goes with his 2 best pitches. You only need 2 working in relief. Makes it far easier to develop pitchers and could make the ones you have more effective.

              • Mike Pop says:

                Won’t putting Hughes in the pen mess up his development. They want him to reach like 150 innings.

                • Matt says:

                  Even if he were in the pen, I’m sure he’d get 5-10 starts with injuries, skips, Joba’s innings limit, etc.

                  At this point, though, I think Pettitte is more likely than Sheets.

            • Kevin G. says:

              I wasn’t saying I disagree with you, just that it would be announg.

        • pounder says:

          Excellent point.Stretch his arm out for a year,spot start him when needed, and get a handle on how he will perform as a full time starter.Years and years ago it was this way, a young kid with great upside was weened carefully to the rigors of starting.Then again, kids today become MLer’s after throwing only 200 to 300 innings in college or the minors.They are rushed to the bigs the first time the phenom strikes out 10 or more tomato cans playing the Potato Stump Grinders.

    • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

      Nah, that’s the least of your worries. In all probability, Hughes still needs time in AAA to work on some things.

      The problem with Sheets is you need innings out of your #5, and chances are he will spend time on the DL. Plus, a rotation with AJ Burnett and Ben Sheets could very likely be down 2 pitchers at any given time, and it’s 2008 all over again.

      The upside of course, is we would have a ridiculous rotation for the playoffs if we have any 3 of our top 5 healthy.

  3. AMS223 says:

    well I have wanted sheets all off-season….but i just realize another huge edge to signing him for a 1 year deal even if its with a 2nd option. We would give up a 4th round pick and if he leaves the yanks for FA after this year the yanks could get a 1st round pick out of it.

    • Jay CT... Ben Sheets biggest fan says:

      If Sheets joins the team, for the 20 starts he will give, hands down the Yankees have the filthiest rotation in baseball. Having 4 guys like Joba, Burnett, Sheets and Hughes fill in 3 spots is a pretty nice thing.

      There is no way in hell that when the Yankee brass sat down in Tampa this past fall they could have ever invisioned being able to afford signing CC, AJ and Sheets, as well as Teixera. All the more reason they should do it already

  4. Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

    Andy might be going down as one of the worst contract negotiators in Yankee history. Right up there with Graig Nettles, though at least in Andy’s case he has an agent.

  5. Kevin G. says:

    I think I might prefer Pettite (because he is more likely to give you 200 IP), but I wouldn’t complain if they signed Sheets to a reasonable deal. Think about it, a potential rotation full of pitchers who are all top of the line starters (if you already consider Joba a top of the line starter).

  6. Mike Pop says:

    CC
    AJ
    Wang
    Sheets
    Joba

    That’s a damn fine rotation. Sheets on a 1 yr 7 million with a 15 million club option.

  7. The Evil Empire says:

    If we sign Sheets, how would you rank them based on talent (not rotation order)

    Talent-wise:

    CC
    Joba
    Burnett
    Sheets
    Wang

    That’s my opinion

    • Matt says:

      Reverse Sheets and Burnett, IMO.

    • Mike A. says:

      Pure, God given talent only? I’d go:

      Burnett
      Joba
      CC
      Sheets
      Wang

      • Mike Pop says:

        I gotta agree with ya here. AJ’s stuff is just crazy good when he is on.

      • Mike R. says:

        Burnett’s talent > Joba’s talnet? Really?

        • frits says:

          Wider repetoire of pitches thus far.

        • Mike Pop says:

          You guys have seen AJ pitch. The dude is a beast when he is on. The stuff he did to the Yankees these past years was “fun” to watch but hard to watch as a Yankee fan. He can completely dominate a game as good as any pitcher in the game. I for one cannot wait to see some of those types of games out of him. I love watching pitchers with nasty stuff. Now we have at least 3 of them in CC, AJ, and Joba.

          • Matt says:

            Hey, CMW has pretty good stuff, too. His FB is pretty quick and his sinker is great.

            • Bonos says:

              95 mph sinker, yo that’s extra good.

            • Mike Pop says:

              It looks like he pitches with so little effort. He looks so relaxed and looks like he tosses it but its a 95 mph FB.

              • Matt says:

                Yeah his mechanics are pretty good out of the windup; he’s gotta work on them out of the stretch, though.

              • Reggie C. says:

                That’s only once in a while. I personally don’t recall any 95 mph pitches actually. Several 94 mph pitches sure. Lets not make Wang out be freaking Brandon Webb. He aint that good.

            • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

              He also has a wide enough array of pitches (4 seamer/2 seamer/slider/splitter/change) that you can feature different pitches and reinvent him on a regular basis. We saw that last year vs the Red Sox, they killed him previously, so he gave them a different look.

        • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

          They’re actually very similar. Both get by on blazing fastballs, a nasty breaking pitch and so so control. There are times I watch Joba and say “Geez, did he get away with one there. Right down the pipe”. But his stuff is so good, he gets away with it.

      • Spaceman.Spiff says:

        If completely healthy and pitching 200 innings, I’d take the innings from
        CC
        Joba
        Sheets
        Burnett
        Wang
        in that order. Burnett can be dominating but he’s more inconsistent that any of the pitchers ahead of him. He seems to have more days where he can’t find his stuff than the three pitchers ahead of him. If all 5 pitchers were pitching at their peak skill level for one game?
        Burnett
        CC
        Joba
        Sheets
        Wang

    • Jay CT... Ben Sheets biggest fan says:

      Why would you make Wang the 5? I think it will be CC, Wang, Burnett, Sheets Joba

      • Yeah, that’s the same setup I was thinking. Some say the order doesn’t matter but I think it makes sense to put the horses at the top b/c they have proven they can throw more innings. So, while Burnett may outperform Wang on a runs allowed basis, I’d be more confident in Wang reaching the 200 IP mark.

        • Mike Pop says:

          That was based on pure talent.

          • The Evil Empire says:

            Ditto

            • Jay CT... Ben Sheets biggest fan says:

              I apologize. I didn’t see that you had put pure talent. I still disagree with your Joba spot, and I still wouldn’t put Wang 5, but that was my bad

              • The Evil Empire says:

                It’s O.K

                But I don’t see Wang having as much “Talent” as the other four guys, don’t get me wrong, CMW has plenty of stuff, but i just see him as a “smart” pitcher, someone who knows how to use what he has, he has enough talent to be #1 on many clubs, but remember CC, Joba, Burnett and Sheets are some of the top pitchers in all of baseball.

  8. Mike Pop says:

    I just watched some videos of Sheets. If we sign him, I hope he is healthy haha.

  9. Reggie C. says:

    I hope its the talks b/w the Yanks the Sheets camp are legit. Why play it safe in ’09 after 3 big signings?? Lets get the most bang for the buck. Get Sheets. It’ll give the Yanks a rotation that’ll shock the its competitors.

    Imagine how helpful a 180 inning season from Sheets would be to our playoff chances. People talk that the RS found a table-setter in John Smoltz. I say that we regain the edge with Sheets.

    • I think he would have been here a while back if it weren’t for the medicals. If he’s pretty close to his pre-torn elbow form, then I would sign him for 2/$20MM in a heartbeat, but the Yanks certainly know the situation better than you or I. I do hope he lands here though, seeing as the risk would likely be lower than the reward.

      • Reggie C. says:

        In a heartbeat. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. Right?? Unless, its a clever media ruse from Sheets’ camp (possible), the market is forming. Phil Hughes will have his shot in ’09. He could make 10-12 starts. Likely less in a season where the rotation avoids long-injury stints. Yet, Hughes gets a real chance to excel at AAA and build up anticipation for a ML return … instead of dread.

        The guy who really takes a back seat and whose ML career is blocked is Ian Kennedy. That’s the guy who gets expendable at the trade deadline.

  10. Jay CT... Ben Sheets biggest fan says:

    I just like that the reports are acknowleding from Cash that the staff isn’t complete. I am curious when the 5th arm will be arriving. When do you guys think the next guy gets signed?

  11. I still like NoMaas’ idea of dumping Matsui for a bag of chips and picking up Dunn on the cheap, even if it means spending some dough. He’s 28 and would rake in YSII.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Definitely.

    • pat says:

      What team would give up anything for matsui when they could just sign dunn instead? Dunn can at least play the field whereas matsui is pretty much relegated to DH.

      • Jay CT... Ben Sheets biggest fan says:

        True but a team like Seattle would get much more out of Matsui on the buisness end (due to Japanese media) then Dunn. For some teams, if talent and price is similar, it comes down to who will make them the most money. Hell, for ALL teams it comes down to who will make them the most money, which is why Andy doesn’t have 16 million for this season

        • pat says:

          Yea I hear you about the Japanese connection in Seattle, but outside of marinerland Dunn is a hell of a better baseball decision then matsui.

      • Bonos says:

        Oh yeah, Dunn can play the field, not.

      • Old Ranger says:

        You beat me to it! There are other reasons but, why bother…you hit good.

  12. DreDog says:

    Sign Sheets, and sign Pettitte at the All Star break if someone gets injured. Have Andy pull a Rocket and announce it at a game.

  13. Nyankees says:

    Could you imagine if the Yankees had gotten Johan last year for IPK, Melky and Tabata? (We wouldn’t have needed Nady since we didn’t make the playoffs last year anyway. Since they’re looking to trade him this year, I guess he’s not wanted now either.) We wouldn’t even be having this Sheets/Pettitte discussion right now.

    The rotation could have looked like
    Johan Santana (LHP)
    CC Sabathia (LHP)
    AJ Burnett (RHP)
    Chien Ming Wang (RHP)
    Joba Chamberlain (RHP)

    Crazy. I know it’s monday morning GMing, but a perfect storm to get that rotation done would have been nice.

    • Sean says:

      well Burnett wouldnt even be here…so…not quite.

    • Steve H says:

      Is it really monday morning GM’ing when there is no chance in hell they could have gotten Santana for that package? And if we had gotten Santana (for much, much more), CC wouldn’t be here.

      • Jay CT... Ben Sheets biggest fan says:

        Imagine if they traded IPK for Lincecum and Cain, and Austin Jackson for Peavy?? Then it would be Sabathia, Lincecum, Peavy, Cain, Wang, with Joba in the pen where he really belongs!

        • nyankees says:

          No. But thanks for being a jerk anyway. The IPK, Melky, Tabata talks were real, Cash and Hank just never pulled the trigger. I was talking about pre-2008 IPK and Melky, not the Kennedy and Cabrera we all hate now. Remember, when they had value? Or when Rosenthal reported that the Twins had called the Yankees right before the Mets trade and said, “Ok, we’ll do it.” and the Yankees (all high on the ‘big three’) said NO? Hughes was only involved in Santana talks for about “10 seconds” as I remember, and who’s to say that it would have been Santana instead of Sabathia anyway? Take away Burnett and Nady’s contract, would the Yankees really say no to the additional contract burden over time to have both Sabathia and Santana?

          Even if the answer is yes, I said it was a perfect storm. I realize the odds of that happening were always low, but thanks for adding SO MUCH constructive criticism to your response, Jay.

          • Jamal G. says:

            No, that deal was never on the table, you are wholly inaccurate. Brian Cashman said on the radio that the two deals were:

            1. Phil Hughes; Melky Cabrera; Two prospects.
            2. Chien-Ming Wang; Melky Cabrera; Ian Kennedy; Low-level prospect.

            Anything else that was reported were lies or “irresponsible rumormongering”.

            • nyankees says:

              http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11.....ref=slogin

              My irresponsible rumormmongerer is Jack Curry. At the bottom of the article, Tyler Kepner is also cited for contributions to the article. Curry’s the guy that recently pumped up the whole, “Thanks Leigh Teixeira for bringing Mark to the Bronx!” Thing. Kepner is also well respected. See the actual article I included? If you can put up a link to that radio interview, though, I would be willing to talk.

              • Mike R. says:

                I think you might have misread that article there buddy.

                “The Yankees have offered pitcher Ian Kennedy, center fielder Melky Cabrera and at least one minor league prospect, perhaps outfielder José Tabata. In the trade discussions, the Yankees have told the Twins that pitcher Joba Chamberlain is untouchable and that they do not want to deal pitcher Phil Hughes.

                Because the Twins are insisting that Hughes must be a part of the package, the Yankees are mulling whether to make that concession. If the Yankees insert Hughes for Kennedy in their offer, they think it could be enough to obtain Santana.

                • nyankees says:

                  No, I read it COMPLETELY. The word “If” means hypothetically. He didn’t use “when”, which would have meant it WILL happen. While it did, later articles suggested Hughes was actually on the table for an extremely short period of time.

                  My point though was that I was told my trade situation was “Wholly inaccurate.” It obviously was not. I offered a pipe dream (something I called both Monday Morning GM’ing, crazy and imagination). All I meant to begin with (as I said) was that in an alternate universe, where every imaginable possibility plays out, a Santana, Sabathia, Burnett, Wang, Chamberlain rotation exists. For saying this, I now sit looking up articles from January 2007 to ward off personal assaults on my honesty.

                • Mike R. says:

                  Nice try, but there are a number of holes in your story.

                  1 – When you things like The IPK, Melky, Tabata talks were real, Cash and Hank just never pulled the trigger. you add your own spin to it and it passes from “If” to “when”.

                  2 – You mention Or when Rosenthal reported that the Twins had called the Yankees right before the Mets trade and said, “Ok, we’ll do it.” and the Yankees (all high on the ‘big three’) said NO but never provide a link. You are implying that a deal could have been reached, but wasn’t because of Cash and Hank.

                  3 – I now sit looking up articles from January 2007 to ward off personal assaults on my honesty. Nobody questioned your honesty. They questioned your accuracy. When Jamal mentions Irresponsible rumormongering he is talking about the press and bloggers (current company excluded) not commenters or fans.

                  All in all you will learn that “Alternate universe hypothetical trades” are a pet peave of many of us here. It is not at all personal.

                • Nyankees says:

                  Fine.

                  http://www.northjersey.com/spo.....ntana.html

                  This should remove any doubt about if and when and if an article exists. I will admit I wasn’t accurate about the jorunalist, but I was pretty sure it was Rosenthal. Either way, here you go.

                  “Is it really monday morning GM’ing when there is no chance in hell they could have gotten Santana for that package?” , “wholly inaccurate”
                  Imagine if they traded IPK for Lincecum and Cain, and Austin Jackson for Peavy?? Then it would be Sabathia, Lincecum, Peavy, Cain, Wang, with Joba in the pen where he really belongs!”

                  Fine. If you don’t see any of this as personal and you feel the need to lay into a new commenter for what she finds out is a “Pet Peave” 5 THREADS LATER, then whatever. I was reading http://www.chrobinson.com/care.....etruck.asp this article for english class and reading this blog at the same time.

                  And “you add your own spin to it ” is calling me a liar, no matter how you want to sugar coat it. Again, thanks for the warm welcome. I’ll just stick to MLBTR.

    • The Evil Empire says:

      No, you have it all wrong.
      We wouldn’t have C.C right now, Wang wouldn’t have played that game he got injured in rounding the bases, and we might have made the playoffs, but we definitely wouldn’t have C.C and Burnett

  14. The Rock says:

    I do like Sheets the pitcher. And I can see him being real successful in the rotation but does anyone believe he could last an entire season + playoffs? 5% chance. We need security.

  15. Perspective 5 says:

    Yes, I agree with Sean. If Johan Santana was in Pinstripes, there’s no gurantee that Sabathia or Burnett would be with the Yankees right now. To try and say that after a trade for Santana in ’07-’08 that everything else from the ’08 season to now would happen even slightly similar is far fetched. The only guy I would suspect to be signed this year if the Yankees did sign Johan the previous year, would be Teixeira simply because the Yankees ,might have looked at the hole at first base larger than the holes in the rotation. Also, who knows if Hughes and Kennedy would have somehow pitched decently after actually having to compete , in spring training for a job. The variables are endless.

    This is entirely irrelevant to the whole Sheets Pettite matter, but I have a question that I just thought about today. Does anyone think the Yankees will still look in to possibly trading for Matt Kemp? I mean earlier in the off season that was all anyone talked about was the Yankees trading for an outfielder like Matt Kemp. With the Yankees pretty much done with signing Free Agents, is a return to trade talks even plausible? Or will the Yankees go with what they have in the outfield and save a bit of the Farm for the future and/or a more urgent trade?

    Thoughts? Comments?

    • Jay CT... Ben Sheets biggest fan says:

      My thought is you are supposed to hit reply if you are talking about someone elses post!

      Other then that, you are right on, lol…

      • Jay CT... Ben Sheets biggest fan says:

        But in regards to the trade stuff- why give up your talent if you can sign players with just as much, if not more, upside and keep your young talent for when you need it, either on your club, or when another club comes calling? The Dodgers are NOT going to trade Kemp. They have held strong to that line for a few years now. Sign Pettitte of Sheets (I have been Sheets biggest fan for a couple months now, while others wouldn’t touch him), but keep Jackson for when our outfield is empty next year. Unless a bigtime CF is coming in a Cano deal, I say sign a 5 and keep the rest.

        Plus, sign Juan Cruz for the luxary of having a RI-DONCULOUS K guy for the 8th inning. 5 type A free agents. Yankees 1-MLB 0!

    • pat says:

      Trading for kemp would just be robbing peter to pay paul. We would be creating a hole at 2nd to trade for a guy who’s not really a cf. Kemp is a good hitter but is really a corner outfielder playing center.

  16. Bonos says:

    Nady is in reserve for a catcher trade if needed. Somehow I don’t see a 6 mil bench player.

    • Bruno says:

      IPK = http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=457762

      Nady = $6m/1year for a bench player is fine. He’ll still get 3-400 AB’s.

      • Bruno says:

        Oh yeah, SIGN SHEETS!!!! (& Dunn!!)

        • Spaceben.Sheets says:

          Sign Sheets because if healthy he is a much better option than Pettitte. There is a decent chance that he gets injured but he has more career innings pitched than Burnett does so let’s not act like Sheets can’t possibly reach 180 innings. The good thing is that if Burnett or Sheets miss chunks of the season, we won’t need to try to rush them back and risk further injury; we have great insurance plans named Phil Hughes, Aceves, Coke, and Kennedy (who might perform better with less pressure on him to stick in the majors and hold down a spot). Sheets would add a premiere pitcher without stunting the growth of our young guns because he’s a short term investment.

  17. ryan says:

    Torre bashes yankee brass and abuses Arod in NY Post.

    • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

      Stay classy, Joe.

      Funny how the Torre guys (Zim, Mattingly, Pettitte) who all professed love for the pinstripes while they were here have all taken shots at the team on their way out. They all share one thing, which they got from Joe. A sense of entitlement.

  18. Mike - Sunrise says:

    Amazing how there are so many quality free agents this late in the game. I don’t recall that ever being the case before. Must have something to do with the economy and these guys still have high expectations. I guess we should see a lot of movement in the next 2 weeks since we are near camp. I personally want Sheets instead of Pettitte. Younger and a better pitcher. Both are injury risks.

  19. Troy says:

    sign Sheets.

  20. Ace says:

    This is from a poster on the boards on ProSportsDaily….

    All the local reports out of Dallas already have Texas willing to go 2 years. I highly doubt NY will be willing to go 2 years. Add to it that Sheets knows how much he will save pitching at a home park in a no income tax state and minutes from his off season residence.

    Lets put it this way, Wednesday Sheets met with the Ranger’s Owner, the Owner’s son, the GM, the manger, Mike Maddux (Sheets former and Rangers current pitching coach) and Sheet’s agent.

    Sheets threw long toss at the Ranger young pitchers camp on Wednesday and Thursday at the Ballaprk in Arlington with Maddux as well. Add to it that Sheets has already pulled his Dallas home off the market in Jan and I am pretty sure that Texas is going to get Sheets.

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