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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/how-many-teams-are-at-their-payroll-limit-7175/#comment-265052</link>
		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... which is why Jim Rice shouldn&#039;t have been a Hall of Famer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; which is why Jim Rice shouldn&#8217;t have been a Hall of Famer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike A.</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/how-many-teams-are-at-their-payroll-limit-7175/#comment-264513</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Jim Rice is a HOFer, then Delgado, Juan Gone and Belle are HOFers too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Jim Rice is a HOFer, then Delgado, Juan Gone and Belle are HOFers too.</p>
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		<title>By: Heyman: Half of teams in baseball can add impact player &#124; River Avenue Blues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heyman: Half of teams in baseball can add impact player &#124; River Avenue Blues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an hour after I asked which teams can afford to sign a free agent, Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated provided his own take on the situation. Except his is a bit more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an hour after I asked which teams can afford to sign a free agent, Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated provided his own take on the situation. Except his is a bit more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sign Sheets and Cruz.</description>
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		<title>By: steve (different one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve (different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s a whole a lot of words to say &quot;because Sheets is injured&quot;

just kidding.  good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s a whole a lot of words to say &#8220;because Sheets is injured&#8221;</p>
<p>just kidding.  good post.</p>
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		<title>By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</title>
		<link>http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/how-many-teams-are-at-their-payroll-limit-7175/#comment-264366</link>
		<dc:creator>tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/b&gt;What late 1st rounder will be Manny or O Hudson or Sheets?&lt;/b&gt;

Okay, let&#039;s say you&#039;re the, um, Blue Jays.  You can sign Manny, Hudson, or Sheets and lose the 20th pick in the draft.  Since 2007-2008 are too recent to make good determinations, let&#039;s go back to 2004-2006 and see what kind of players are available between pick 20 and the next time you&#039;d be on the clock (say, pick 75).

2004: Phil Hughes, Blake DeWitt, Gio Gonzalez, Huston Street, Reid Brignac, Yovani Gallardo, Hunter Pence, Dustin Pedroia, Kurt Suzuki, Wade Davis
2005: Jacoby Ellsbury, Matt Garza, Joey Devine, Colby Rasmus, Travis Buck, Luke Hochevar, Clay Buchholz, Jed Lowrie, Michael Bowden, Chase Headley, Yunel Escobar
2006: Ian Kennedy, Joba Chamberlain, Chris Tillman, Brett Anderson, Kevin Mulvey, Trevor Cahill

Now, I know what you&#039;re thinking.  You&#039;re thinking to yourself, &quot;Tommie, non of those guys are as good as Ben Sheets when he&#039;s healthy.&quot;  And that&#039;s true.  But, even if you get Ben Sheets at a tremendous discount, you&#039;re still getting, what, 3-4 years of Ben Sheets vs. maybe 8 years of Matt Garza or Joba Chamberlain or Hunter Pence or Colby Rasmus.  It&#039;s a gamble either way.  The reason most teams are deciding not to gamble is:
1) the prospect will be much, much, much cheaper and under team control much, much longer
2) if your team is not ready to compete for the pennant now, you may be paying for Ben Sheets in 2009-2011 when your team sucks vs. paying Colby Rasmus in 2012-2019 when you have a better squad around him.

Draft picks are a gamble, they may not work out.  Free agent additions are a gamble, they may get hurt or age badly or have their production fall off a cliff.  The FA vet is a better bet to produce at big league levels than the typical 20th pick of the draft, but at a far higher cost in dollars for a far shorter window of time.  

I can see why tons of teams wouldn&#039;t pay Orlando Hudson even 5M a year (half his original asking price) even though he&#039;ll probably outperform whomever you draft with a pick in the bottom of the first round: the margin between his performance and the draft picks performance may be less than the margin between what you spend for Hudson and what you spend for the draft pick, and said production may come at a time when your team has no constructive use for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What late 1st rounder will be Manny or O Hudson or Sheets?</p>
<p>Okay, let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re the, um, Blue Jays.  You can sign Manny, Hudson, or Sheets and lose the 20th pick in the draft.  Since 2007-2008 are too recent to make good determinations, let&#8217;s go back to 2004-2006 and see what kind of players are available between pick 20 and the next time you&#8217;d be on the clock (say, pick 75).</p>
<p>2004: Phil Hughes, Blake DeWitt, Gio Gonzalez, Huston Street, Reid Brignac, Yovani Gallardo, Hunter Pence, Dustin Pedroia, Kurt Suzuki, Wade Davis<br />
2005: Jacoby Ellsbury, Matt Garza, Joey Devine, Colby Rasmus, Travis Buck, Luke Hochevar, Clay Buchholz, Jed Lowrie, Michael Bowden, Chase Headley, Yunel Escobar<br />
2006: Ian Kennedy, Joba Chamberlain, Chris Tillman, Brett Anderson, Kevin Mulvey, Trevor Cahill</p>
<p>Now, I know what you&#8217;re thinking.  You&#8217;re thinking to yourself, &#8220;Tommie, non of those guys are as good as Ben Sheets when he&#8217;s healthy.&#8221;  And that&#8217;s true.  But, even if you get Ben Sheets at a tremendous discount, you&#8217;re still getting, what, 3-4 years of Ben Sheets vs. maybe 8 years of Matt Garza or Joba Chamberlain or Hunter Pence or Colby Rasmus.  It&#8217;s a gamble either way.  The reason most teams are deciding not to gamble is:<br />
1) the prospect will be much, much, much cheaper and under team control much, much longer<br />
2) if your team is not ready to compete for the pennant now, you may be paying for Ben Sheets in 2009-2011 when your team sucks vs. paying Colby Rasmus in 2012-2019 when you have a better squad around him.</p>
<p>Draft picks are a gamble, they may not work out.  Free agent additions are a gamble, they may get hurt or age badly or have their production fall off a cliff.  The FA vet is a better bet to produce at big league levels than the typical 20th pick of the draft, but at a far higher cost in dollars for a far shorter window of time.  </p>
<p>I can see why tons of teams wouldn&#8217;t pay Orlando Hudson even 5M a year (half his original asking price) even though he&#8217;ll probably outperform whomever you draft with a pick in the bottom of the first round: the margin between his performance and the draft picks performance may be less than the margin between what you spend for Hudson and what you spend for the draft pick, and said production may come at a time when your team has no constructive use for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Zig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Zig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salary Cap argument at faceoff blog at LoHug

http://faceoff.lohudblogs.com/</description>
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<p><a href="http://faceoff.lohudblogs.com/" rel="nofollow">http://faceoff.lohudblogs.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve (different one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve (different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wang is not a FA until after 2011.  

super two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wang is not a FA until after 2011.  </p>
<p>super two.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be very careful with the whole payroll limits thing.  No team will ever tell what their limit is.  it&#039;s all negotiating tactics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be very careful with the whole payroll limits thing.  No team will ever tell what their limit is.  it&#8217;s all negotiating tactics.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was Garland offered arbitration? He was right?</description>
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