Open Thread: Excerpting The Yankee Years

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The Torre book drama started yesterday and has been a steady source of conversation into today. Problem is, few if any of us have actually read it. Over at SI, they have an excerpt from the book which revolves around late October 2007. Torre obviously feels betrayed, but if you can look past his “my flaw is that I’m the good guy” rhetoric, you can see that the Yankees had come to a decision, and they intended to follow through on it. One year, take it or leave it. Torre left it, and that was that. Well, until this book was written, that is.

Torre apparently did pitch an idea to Cashman, and to an outsider it doesn’t sound half bad:

“Cash, I have an idea. What about a two-year contract? It ­doesn’t even really matter what the money is. Two years, and if I get fired in the first year, the second year is guaranteed. But if I get fired after the first year, I don’t get the full amount of the second year, just a buyout. The money doesn’t matter. I mean, as long as it’s not just something ridiculous. It’s not about the money. It’s the second year.”

Apparently, though, the Yankees were not willing to do that. Torre claims that, based on a post-meeting encounter with Brian Cashman, that the GM never even floated the idea to management.

Cashman looked at Torre oddly, as if this were something new. “Uh, I really ­didn’t understand it,” Cashman said. “Remind me, what was it again?”

Cashman then went back into the room, supposedly approached the Steinbrenners with the idea, and emerged less than a minute later with a response in the negative. Torre’s quote on this: “I’m thinking, Well, s—! He never told them!” I’m not so sure it’s that simple. From the beginning, it seemed like the Yankees knew what they wanted, and Torre knew what he wanted. The Yankees gave Torre their firm offer, and he deemed it unacceptable. They apparently were not keen on his idea.

I imagine everyone in the Yankees front office was in a tight spot during this time. Torre was a beloved manager of 12 years, an unprecedented run in the Steinbrenner Era. He wanted to come back. The Yankees were only interested under their terms. I’m not sure I can fault them on that. Argue if you want about the manner in which it was handled. But if the Yankees only wanted Torre back under their terms, and Torre did not accept those terms, well, that seems pretty ordinary to me.

You can hear more about the book on the MLB Network…right about now. Matt Vasgersian will interview Tom Verducci on Hot Stove at 7. So you can check that after or while you read the excerpt.

This is your open thread for the evening. The NHL has a night off after the All-Star game, the Rockets are in the Garden, and the Nets are out on OK City. For you Big East nuts like me, you can catch Marquette at Notre Dame at 7 on ESPN.

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  • M.D.

    what do you guys seem to think about mlb front office manager?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Haven’t played it yet. The place around the corner from me that usually sells games early let me down this time. I’ll get it tomorrow, and have a review up on Wednesday or Thursday.

      The reviews make it sound like the only people who will enjoy the game are diehard baseball fans. If your just a casual fan, forget it.

      • Mike Pop

        It is going to have so many little details I would imagine. Alot of people will probably get sick of it after a while.

        • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

          I would think so, I just hope theye try and make it a little more realistic yesterday I made a trade pujols and yadier molina for iank kennedy and melky cabrera (mlb08 the show)

        • Chris C.

          “But if the Yankees only wanted Torre back under their terms, and Torre did not accept those terms, well, that seems pretty ordinary to me.”

          Well, here’s what isn’t ordinary, and would only happen in Yankeeland……….if the team didn’t want Torre back, and we all know they didn’t, then they should have thanked him for his time with the organization, and informed him that no offer would be forthcoming.
          But instead, they made him a lame-duck offer that they knew he’d turn down, then tried to paint him as greedy.

          This is why in the 35 years that Steinbrenner has owned the team, very rarely has a Yankee manager or coach left on good terms. They are simply unable to part with these people with any kind of tact or class.

          I mean, look how Showalter and Michael were rewarded for taking over a crappy team, building them up to a playoff team that would eventually become a dynasty……….one guy was demoted, and the other guy had his coaches fired by Steinbrenner.

          And people talk about Torre having no gratitude towards Steinbrenner?? Did anyone see even a single blurb that included Michael, Watson, Showalter, or Torre during their big tribute show for the last Yankee Stadium home game?
          Hell, no! But Brian “no rings” Cashman got some face time!

      • M.D.

        i think i would love it.

      • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        where is this place? i need to hit that up.

  • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

    “Torre’s quote on this: ‘I’m thinking, Well, s—! He never told them!’ I’m not so sure it’s that simple. ”

    Agreed.

  • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

    I want a raise in my work. I can’t get more then a 1 year deal. Guess what, I can leave also. All good things come to an end. Mike Shannahan in Denver, Torre here, Bobby Cox eventually… Isiah Thomas. Everyone runs their course. Torre just couldn’t say good bye. The Yanks didn’t really want him back, he knew that because of the 1 year offer. After this book though? I don’t blame him.

    Someone called the fan today, and they were right- “Yankees are like a drug, and the fans are all addicts. We just need the Yankees, and thats all that matters. Its never enough.”

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Jay I saw yesterday in a thread you mentioned Stamford–where in CT do you live?

      • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

        Right on the New Canaan/Norwalk border. Like a small part of my backyard is Norwalk. You?

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Greenwich, but I’m up at school in Storrs most of the time.

          • The Evil Empire

            I was supposed to go to Greenwich country day a couple years back. lol

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              Greenwich public schools >> Greenwich private schools.

    • La Costco Nostra

      “The Yanks didn’t really want him back”

      Really? Suppose he signs takes that CONTRACT OFFER. Then what? Stop it.

      • Mike Pop

        You missing the point. They cut his pay and his years down. They obviously weren’t going to lose sleep if he rejected the offer.(Which they probably assumed he would do)

      • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

        You knew damn well that he wasn’t taking the offer. Stop what? Everyone was saying they insulted him. If he accepted it, he would be mocked. This was their way of letting him go, and it appears they were right in doing so, although till I read the book I haven’t decided.

        • Chris C.

          “This was their way of letting him go, and it appears they were right in doing so”

          THEY WERE???? The way to let someone go is to make them a lame-duck offer, then publically paint them as greedy for not accepting it?
          Here’s an idea…….why not just tell that person that you’re going in a different direction, and thank them for their time and hard work? I know, it sounds like an outrageous thing to do, but I understand that it works pretty well in other organizations.
          And for some strange reason, it’s actually viewed as an honest approach.

      • Chris C.

        “Really? Suppose he signs takes that CONTRACT OFFER. Then what? Stop it.”

        Then what? Then they fire him as soon as they lose three straight ballgames in May, replace him with Girardi who at the time is making peanuts, and only owe Torre one year’s pay.

        Do you really think Torre is that stupid and doesn’t know that’s how it would play out?
        Do you know any manager or head coach in any other sport who is offered a one year contract? It’s just not done anymore.

  • Mike Pop

    Looks like Manny might go to the Giants if he is willing to accept 2 or 3 years.

    (MLB Network Hot Stove)

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Hmmm, what’s their source?

      • Mike Pop

        SF Giants President:

        Laurence M. Baer

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Then I don’t trust that at all.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I’d call that a solid source.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            Doesn’t exactly scream “independent” though. If we can get some sort of corroboration, I’ll buy it.

            If Manny goes to SF, Abreu goes to LA and vice versa.

            • Mike Pop

              Abreu goes to LA for 15 million baby! And I got that book. He won’t get 15 mill tho :(.

              • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

                Might not even get 10.

                • Mike Pop

                  I know asshole, let it go. I know I won’t win the book. Don’t rub it in. ;(

                • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

                  If the Giants get Manny, I think they win the West. They have made some decent moves, even if they did overpay drastically on Edgar Renteria (which looks even worse now).

                • http://incumbentgm.wordpress.com The Third Yip-Yip

                  Yeah, offensively they would have closed the gap with some of the other clubs. LAD and SD will have meh offenses, ARI is decent but not great, and COL is still solid w/o Holliday. And, of course, their pitching is the best in the division.

    • Steve H

      If Manny’s not willing to accept 2 to 3 years, he’s not going anywhere.

  • teixburnathia

    Keith Law put Arodys Vizcaino in his potential top 100 prospects for 2010. What’s your guys’ take on him and when do you think he will be able to make an impact?

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Interesting, but way too far off.

      • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

        Yeah but that was a “1 player per team who could make the leap” article. So its by no means Law saying, “Vizcaino has a good shot at making my top 100″

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    “if the Yankees only wanted Torre back under their terms, and Torre did not accept those terms, well, that seems pretty ordinary to me.”

    It is, unless you’re dealing with someone who feels entitled to the job he has.

  • Jack
  • emac2@msn.com

    “I mean, as long as it’s not just something ridiculous.”\

    This is a man who would be insulted to be the second highest paid manager in the league.

    Ridiculous, in this case, probably meant anything even close to the second highest paid guy.

    • Mike Pop

      Why is your email your name?

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Talk about begging for spam.

      • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

        he wants viagra emails?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          OMG you guys, the Prince of Malabo just emailed me saying that he needs help getting $10M out of his country and will give me half if I cooperate!!!

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            Pffft. I won Powerball 5 times today.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Maybe he’s just not all that creative, so lets help him out and come up with a screen name for him.

        My suggestions are as follows:

        All’s Wells that ends Wells
        Mental Vomit
        Ruben Rivera’s Glove Closet
        Yank-Me/Spank-me
        Mo Better Navy Blues

        • Mike Pop

          A-Bomb from A-Rod

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            The Swisher Picker Upper!

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              That’s so going to be my next email address.

              • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

                I’m going to call that in to WFAN and see if Sterling gets wind of it. If he actually uses it, it just might be the happiest day of my life.

                BTW-Bounty Paper Towels sponsors it, its perfect.

                • Mike Pop

                  You would also have evidence it is yours. Think of all the money…that you won’t see.

                • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

                  Nah, the thrill and bragging rights would be plenty for me.

                  If they want to throw in a few sweet tix and/or dinner at the Yankee Steakhouse however, I wouldn’t say no.

    • steve (different one)

      This is a man who would be insulted to be the second highest paid manager in the league.

      no, he still would have been the highest.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    HOUSE tonight.

  • Mike Pop

    Jessica Simpson got fat…damn

    • Mike Pop

      Picture here:

      http://stupidcelebrities.net/2.....at-photos/

      That’s what happens to bitches when they can’t have Tony anymore.

      • Steve H

        Now that she’s fat, he’s not going to marry her. Too bad too, it was his only shot at a ring.

        • Mike Pop

          ZING!!!!!

          • A.D.

            Maybe Romo likes ‘em bigger.

            • Mike Pop

              The only way to bag a classy lady is to give her two tickets to the gun show.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Photoshop.

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

        I’d still do her.

        • Mike Pop

          She fell off big time there. Needs to hit the south beach diet or something. But she’s not a star anymore. Romo needs to get back with Carrie Underwood. That’s a gorgeous girl.

          Fun Cowboy name-drop that you all are going to shit on–

          TO is coming out with a show on VH1.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            Reality show, I’m assuming? As if TV needs more of those.

            • Mike Pop

              Rotoworld—-

              VH1 will follow Terrell Owens and his publicists around this offseason for a reality show.

              Per the show’s press release, “T.O. will be shadowed…by his best friends and publicists Monique Jackson and Kita Williams as they battle the two sides of his large personality. Viewers will discover that behind all the braggadocio, emotional histrionics, and sculpted physique that is the outspoken media magnet known to the world as ‘T.O.’ — there is also a quiet, sensitive, mild-mannered guy from Alexander City, Alabama…that’s Terrell.” ESPN’s Ed Werder will be monitoring the show closely for reporting material

              I’m going to watch, lol. I hope they call it the “Terrell Owens Experience”

              • http://www.YouTube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

                Oh god. I think my head will explode.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Holy crap, she got so fat that when she hauls ass she has to make two trips!

    • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

      my life now sucks!

    • Ivan

      Yikes, yea that chick got super size big.

    • E-ROC

      Jessica Simpson got fat phat…damn. I’d still hit that.

      Fixed.

      • Mike Pop

        No doubt, I’d tap that.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Just curious, why was there an official press release immediately after he was signed? Tex and CC took like a week.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Yeah, it’s up on LoHud.

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

        I think he just copied and pasted it, here is the actual one.

        http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy

        Usually it takes time, Tex agreed on December 23rd(I think) and the press release was on January 6th

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Yeah, I figured.

          Speaking of LoHud, at least…half the comments on my PH piece today were on Joe Torre, not what I’d written.

          • http://www.YouTube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

            Now you know how Mike, Joe, and Ben feel when you post off-topic.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              Haha, that’s why I only do it in Open Threads ;)

          • Mike Pop

            I called you out on it but you’ll never find my pseudonym.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Hah, welcome to our world.

            We write 1,500 words analyzing a move, and five comments later the conversation is “ZOMG we need teh MANNY being MANNY11!!! lulz”

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      They probably figured he would jump all over their $10M offer, so they had the press release ready to go in November.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    A-Rod had good reason to be distrustful of Torre. Anyone remember this article?

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    It caused quite a stir at the time, and was written by .. .guess who? That’s right, Tom Verducci. It recounts the tumultuous 06 season Alex was having, and the difficulty he was having fitting in to the clubhouse. Went on at great length about how Alex was his own worst enemy.

    It recounted THIS story in Torre’s manager’s office

    “In Seattle, Torre looked at Rodriguez squarely and said, “This is all about honesty. And it’s not about anybody else but you. You can’t pretend everything is O.K. when it’s not. You have to face the reality that you’re going through a tough time, and then work from there.”

    It was as close to a tongue-lashing as the low-key Torre ever gets. When the manager comes down on a player, he will mix in the occasional profanity, but his voice remains even and there are no threats. Here his hammer was in the rebuke that Rodriguez’s unwillingness to address his slump head-on was letting himself and the team down. Torre told him he needed to show some fight, some anger even, rather than continuing to act as if he were doing just fine.

    Rodriguez maintained eye contact while Torre spoke and nodded repeatedly. His only sign of discomfort was that he kept twirling his wedding ring around his finger. When Torre was done, he asked A-Rod if he understood what he had just told him. “Yes, 100 percent,” Rodriguez said firmly. ”

    There was just one problem. There were only two people in that room, Alex and Joe. When this story came out, and A-Rod caught wind of it, he knew that HE wasn’t the one who gave it to Verducci.

    He never trusted Torre again, and with good reason.

    So much for Torre’s “keeping what goes on in the clubhouse” and “earning the trust of your players” That stuff only applies to ‘his guys’. Jeter, Pettitte, Mo, Bernie. You never saw him leak a story like this about any of them. Apparently there was one set of standards for his guys and another one for Alex.

    • huuz

      Apparently there was one set of standards for his guys and another one for Alex.

      this. excellently put, afkatS.

      despite how some peeps are gonna feel bad for torre after his propaganda book comes out the Yanks are a better team for his being gone.

      i accept that A-rod is insecure and flaky, but he’s also the BEST player in MLB and likely one of the five best of all-time. a bigger man and a better manager than torre realizes that doing what it takes to help A-rod battle his inner demons is worthwhile–and a huge benefit to the team.

      • Chris C.

        “i accept that A-rod is insecure and flaky, but he’s also the BEST player in MLB and likely one of the five best of all-time.”

        Torre: 4 rings, 13 straight playoff appearences.
        AROD: 0 rings, banging Madonna on a golf course in early Oct.

        “a bigger man and a better manager than torre realizes that doing what it takes to help A-rod battle his inner demons is worthwhile”

        Really? And what manager in MLB has accomplished this with AROD, or even cares to? You think these guys want to become shrinks?? You think Terry Francona gave two shits about battling Manny’s demons? HE begged Epstein to GIVE the guy away every year!

    • Chris C.

      Rodriquez is nuts. Respect is something you earn, and this clown does everything he possibly can to distance himself from both the team and the coaching staff. He had the same problems in Texas too. And things weren’t always so rosy with Piniella in Seattle either, until he left and realized Lou wasn’t such a bad guy after all. Now they love each other.

      Maybe he didn’t leak a story about Jeter because there is no story about JEter.

      Boo-Hoo for AROD. He’s the same jerk who lambasted Jeter’s worth to the Yankees in GQ, while Jeter was negotiating a new Yankee deal.
      Now you want to shed a tear for this jackass? And Jeter’s supposed to stroke his ass in public, because Yankee fans buy this bullshit that he should?
      Get real.

  • ko

    I’m not big on Torre bashing. He was a great manager in New York and a class act. Whenever I mention that the Yankees didn’t make the playoffs after twelve years of Torre, the excuses come pouring out about injuries, etc. etc. As if the Torre years were injury free. My take on it is that the Yankees would go the extra mile for Torre when push came to shove and didn’t last year for Girardi – not that I don’t think that won’t happen some day in New York for Girardi – he’s just not there yet. Anyway, if Torre feels betrayed by Cashman, then he was betrayed by Cashman. Torre strikes me as someone you can trust. I don’t get much of that vibe with Cashman.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      He wasn’t a great manager. He was an average manager who was made to look great by a great string of teams. People like to forget that he was a below .500 manager before coming to the Yankees. The Yankees of the late 1990s made Joe Torre, not the other way around.

      Why don’t you trust Cashman? Just curious.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Look, I like Cash and support him. But anyone with their eyes open knows you can’t “trust” him. Lying is part of his job, we saw it with the whole Tex situation this off season. He runs the Steinbrenner’s Yankee baseball business for them, and needs to do whatever is necessary to see it succeed.

        That’s another one of the things I like about Girardi. He’s not a touchy feely guy. He’s all business, he does a good professional job of managing his team, period. It cuts through all this BS that has surrounded the team in recent years.

        • TheLastClown

          I had a different opinion of Girardi, namely that he was indeed touchy-feely. I recall in particular him saying that “Every loss hurts in my heart” and being genuinely teary-eyed on a number of occasions following losses. I saw a good deal more emotion out of Girardi in ’08 than Torre in any given year, excepting of course after winning postseason series.

          But that is neither here nor there. I like Girardi, especially his bullpen maintenance, and I think he’ll develop into a fine manager.

          This whole conversation seems to oscillate between Torre as hero & Cashman/Steinbrenners as villain and vice-versa. I don’t think its quite as “either/or” as that.

          The Yankees made an offer that Torre deemed unacceptable, and he turned it down. No one reneged on an obligation, except for the “Oh shit, he never told them” comment, and that is neither confirmed nor denied by Cashman. Do you think that that little exchange of verbiage was all through which Torre attempted to make his contractual desires known? I don’t think so, personally.

          What prompted my response, however, was your equation of FA negotiation with un-trustworthiness, or “lying.” Did you want him to make his move too early? Would you have rather his misplay the negotiation, and have Tex end up elsewhere? Of course we don’t know what wouldn’t have happened had he done differently, but there’s always a probability it ends negatively.

          Playing negotiation/signing strategies close to the chest is not lying. It’s shrewd & prudent, and we all have quite the exciting team to root for in a few months because of it.

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            No, I agree completely. But he told everyone in the press he wasn’t interested in Tex and later revealed he was interested all along. That’s lying. I’m 100% OK with it, and understand its something he needs to do, especially with Boras clients.

        • Chris C.

          “That’s another one of the things I like about Girardi. He’s not a touchy feely guy. He’s all business, he does a good professional job of managing his team, period. It cuts through all this BS that has surrounded the team in recent years”

          Right……removing a candy maching from the clubhouse is real professional. No games here! Ballplayers love being treated like toddlers. That’s why they performed well above their heads this season. And letting Cano cut the mustard the entire season before benching him during garbage time was so anti-touchy feely!

      • Chris C.

        “He wasn’t a great manager. He was an average manager who was made to look great by a great string of teams”

        I see…..another one of those “anyone could have won 4 championships with that team” statements. Brilliant.
        The Steelers practically coach themselves too. F*** Mike Tomlin, right?

        “People like to forget that he was a below .500 manager before coming to the Yankees.”

        So was Casey Stengal. Did you even bother to check out the Met and Cardinal rosters Torre inherited? The sisters of the poor were getting tryouts on those teams! Torre had one decent team…..Atlanta…..and he took them to the posteason.

        “The Yankees of the late 1990s made Joe Torre, not the other way around.”

        What difference does it make? Those teams also made Steinbrenner, elevating him from joke status, back to the throne he sat on in the late 70’s. Then he turned around and demoted and fired everyone involved in making that happen for him.
        So in Yankeeland, it really doesn’t matter who made who, or what made what? Just hand Steinbrenner all the credit.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Torre’s had a lot of bouquets thrown at him over the years. Now he’s made a big mistake and is justly paying for it. Nobody is above criticism, and this was 100% his own doing.

      That being said, I’m just about done with this topic. Torre has got the comeuppance I thought was long overdue, and that’s the end of it. Maybe in 10 years this will be a distant memory and he will still have a day at the stadium with his number retired, or maybe not. Stranger things have happened.

  • Mike Pop

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  • D.B.H.O.F. p.k.a Don Corleone

    Does anybody else feel like what was said about The Boss in the excerpt to be in poor taste? This book is starting to seem rather crass if you ask me. Joe this was not a real smooth way to go out and still look like a champ.

    Nobody is entitled to the NYY managers job based on winning. Joe did a great job at times and won a ton, at times he was pretty bad. But Joe never won those 4 rings without top tier talent. When he came here the team was already a very good ball club with a good to great farm system. The team had the most money coming in of any team in baseball, and spent it to keep things moving in the right direction.

    I get the feeling that Joe thinks he is the major reason it all came together, and he may be one of them but he is not the only one. Most people on here could have won a lot of ball games managing this team with the talent that was on it. He was offered the most money of any manager in baseball and he looked at it as an insult.

    If the last year as the Yankees manager was the worst year of his professional life I am glad for his sake and ours that he walked away.

    I do however think he had something already going on with the Dodgers at the time and would not have walked out on even a one year offer without knowing he had a nice landing spot.

    Dissing Hal for mentioning the YES job was a cheap shot as well.

    One last point, Joe changed his story a couple of times about what bothered him with the Yanks offer. He said at one point it was mainly the suggestion that he needed motivation, but then comes out and says that he had those things in place in all of his contracts.

    I really wish this all did not go down like this but it was more than past the time that we got a new manager and that Joe moved on. It seemed to have worked out for Joe with the Dodgers gig, but this book makes him look petty to me.

    • A.D.

      I get the feeling that Joe thinks he is the major reason it all came together

      Bingo

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Ditto.

        Like I said in my above post, I feel that the Yankees of the late ’90s made Torre more than vice versa.

        • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

          Spot on, absolutely correct

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      “I get the feeling that Joe thinks he is the major reason it all came together, and he may be one of them but he is not the only one.”

      Yeah, the whole thing between him and George about “who deserves the credit and who resents the other for getting credit” sounds like TWO self centered narcissists to me. No wonder they butted heads, they have more in common than they realize.

      • Chris C.

        “Yeah, the whole thing between him and George about “who deserves the credit and who resents the other for getting credit” sounds like TWO self centered narcissists to me.”

        The punchline is, Gene Michael deserves most of the credit.

    • Chris C.

      “Does anybody else feel like what was said about The Boss in the excerpt to be in poor taste?”

      I just love how Steinbrenner’s been saying tasteless things for the past 35 years, but it if even one pellet of mud is slung his way, it’s a national disaster.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Anyone know what the final tally is on the Yankee payroll now that Andy has signed?

    I think its 190ish, but I could be wrong.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      It’s up to $195M-ish now, but that’s for ~18 players. They still have to renew the contracts of Hughes, Joba, and half the bullpen, so they’ll probably start the year around $202M.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Thanks.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Speaking of LoHud as some poster mentioned above, some of the comments there have gotten so painful to read that I just don’t know how much longer I can keep doing it…

    • whozat

      That’s why I stopped :-)

      I made the mistake of going back there the other day to post in response to the guest post that tried to tell us it was OBVIOUS that the lack of Torre was the reason the Yanks missed the post-season.

      The ill-informed moron-vomit that passed for rebuttal to my comment reminded me why I don’t go there much any more.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        What really pisses me off is that really it’s only a couple of people that are idiots-and yet they are the ones that comment over and over again.

        Sort of like I do, but I’m self-centered and pompous, not an idiot.

        • Steve H

          And you’ve promised to make out with UWS, giving you carte blanche in my eyes.

          • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

            I didn’t know I needed carte blanche =P

        • A.D.

          so basically you’re here to stay

          • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

            Pretty much.

        • whozat

          What really pisses me off is that really it’s only a couple of people that are idiots-and yet they are the ones that comment over and over again.

          I know. It was better when the ratio was more heavily weighted towards CB/SJ44/you/NickInSF/and the like. That was back when I liked being there.

          • whozat

            Essentially…I just can’t deal with people who don’t understand that they’re arguing from logical fallacies.

            Every message board poster should read this article, myself included:

            http://baseballanalysts.com/ar.....s_hall.php

            The hall-of-fame angle is not necessarily too interesting to me right now, but he goes over all the most egregious ways that people make illogical arguments that sway people.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Yeah, after wall to wall coverage of this for the past 2 days (online and on radio) I’m pretty pooped out on the Torre topic as well.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Heh, that’s what I meant when I asked you a little while back how you possibly stayed there for so long.

    • http://www.YouTube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

      Why, what did they say?

  • pat

    Ben I liked the tagline to your last post. Thats pitching depth we can believe in. Very presidential.

    • Brian Cashman is watching

      While I did find the final comment funny, thanks to the presidential election, I think we need to retire the following words/phrases:

      1. Maverick, in the noun, verb, adjective, or adverb
      2. Change
      3. You betcha
      4. Palls around
      5. “___” you can believe in
      6. Game changer
      7. Amtrak
      8. Sarah Palin

      Then again, I could be bitter from being in Washington and standing in the cold for 12 hours.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Am I wrong for finding this absolutely hilarious:

    So that was it. The 12-year Torre era had come to a nonnegotiable end. Torre’s run ended with a meeting that took little more than 10 minutes. As Torre got up from his seat in Steinbrenner’s office, Hal Steinbrenner said to him, “The door’s always open. You can always work for the YES Network.”

    Torre was too stunned to speak, caught between bemusement and anger. Did the Boss’s son really just dangle the consolation of working for the Yankees-run regional television network after the Yankees refused to negotiate with the second-­winningest manager in franchise history?

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      You know, between Torre and Kay, it’s not really much of a question.

      And I say that as a Fordham student.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Actually, Torre and Kay don’t get along. Joe always saw Kay as one of the front office lackeys (which he is) and someone that was always undermining him.

        • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

          …Actually, that could make it kind of interesting in the booth…haha…

        • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

          Oh no way is Kay run by the Yankees. He will tell you all the time on his radio show, that he isn’t ruled by tem, and that he makes his own calls.

          That said, he just happens to agree with everything they do, lol. Him and his Uge head

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Wow. That’s a dick move by Hal. Funny, but a dick move.

      • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

        That must have been an AWESOME moment to be watching. Like when you know you got your opponent beat, and you just stop on his throat.

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      Hal Steinbrenner: certified dick.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Once again, Torre’s ego getting in the way. What on earth is wrong with that? Torre happened to be a really good announcer, he was insightful and an easy listen. He (was, before this book) popular with the fans, it would have been a treat to have him in the booth from time to time.

      How many of us would KILL for that gig? How many former great players (with rings) have worked for YES? They make their own schedule, they’re paid well and they stay in touch with the game and the team. I guess that’s another “insult” to Joe.

      • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        We’ll put it this way. Say the owner of a company and you’re the CEO (and we’ll assume there’s no board of trustees, etc.) I fire you, but on the way out, I’ll offer you a position a position in marketing. There are other big companies with vacant CEO/COO positions. Why the hell would you accept?

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          Except that he wasn’t fired by all accounts. He was offered a contract, JOE turned it down, and that was the end of the negotiation.

          If anything, it was a gesture of kindness by Hal to keep him in the fold. Hal doesn’t know what else Torre has lined up, if anything. If Torre wasn’t so overly sensitive and needing to have his 4 rings kissed he might have took it that way.

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            JOE turned it down, and that was the end of the negotiation.

            From what I read, it was presented to Joe as a “take it or leave it” deal. There was no negotiation.

            • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

              Now, I am of the firm belief that the Yankees wanted to force him out by lowballing him and disrespecting him, while pretending to not disrespect him (not negotiating at all, take it or leave it, one year deal). I thought it was, and still think it was the right move. But there is no way you can spin him saying that to Joe on the way out the door as a positive. No way. Unless of course, your name is Michael Kay.

  • pat

    Holy shit this movie The Happening is unbelievably craptastic.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yep. Saw it when it came out. Talk about a downer.

      Mark Wahlberg is such a bad actor.

      • Jack

        Mark Wahlberg is such a bad actor.

        YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      … I paid to go see that in theaters. Fuck M. Night Shyamalan. Get a fucking first name, douche.

      • A.D.

        Damn… that had craptastic all over it

      • pat

        I’m glad i only paid a dollar to rent it from the machine at the supermarket. Now I understand where andy samberg got the “say hello to your mother for me” inspiration from. So bad.

  • A.D.

    Time to cut Cash, he’s still a Red Sox puppet:

    I just know the value of what he does in the clubhouse. That pitching staff is unbelievable. The guys they sign and the guys they develop in that organization are all talented players. I think it works both ways. I think Jason has benefited from playing with the Red Sox and having the opportunity to work with those pitchers. At the same time, every pitcher on that staff will tell you how vital a role he plays in their career and during each season.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....tek-r.html

    • A.D.

      Hmmm or is he helping the Yankees by trying to get Tek’s shitty bat back in their lineup

      • kane

        I’d rather see Brian McCann be our catcher. If Posada can’t play anymore McCann could be an option. He is better offensively (.297/.358/.501 lifetime compared to Posada’s .277/.380/.477 and compared to Molina’s .237/.276/.339 ) and is much younger. I don’t know about his fielding though. Not exactly like Joe Mauer but much cheaper. Even cheaper than Molina I believe.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          You’re not getting McCann without Joba. He’s the best non-Mauer catcher in the game.

          • kane

            Oh, that might not be worth it. Anyways we could bid for Mauer or trust our prospects. Posada will likely rebound or have a decent year but we’re going to need a catcher who can throw out baserunners. I’m also not liking the idea of Molina either, he’s fielding is good but his bat isn’t that good. If he could steal bases himself that would be an entirely different story…

            Hell the Yankees also need someone who can steal and not someone who just pinch runs. Someone who gives their best efforts to win and tries. Something I rarely see Yankee players do.

            • Jay CT… STILL Ben Sheets biggest fan (till the season starts)

              Yeah, you almost had me at just taking McCann, but your insight into the Yankees not trying is right on. That whole team is a buch on losers not giving their full efforts. I bet they FAKED all those injuries. And I bet they didn’t WANT to win the world series since 2000, and thats why they didn’t win it! They were like, “Screw it. We won too many as it is. Lets bang some whores instead!”

        • A.D.

          I’d love McCann to be our catcher too, but he just signed a team deal through 2013, and the Braves just traded their next best catching prospect.

          So not going to happen.

        • Random Braves Fan

          YOU HEARTLESS MONSTERS!!! LEAVE MCCANN ALONE!

          YOU SHOULD BE LIKE THE RED SOX WITH THEIR HOMEGROWN CATCHERS!1!!

          • JohnnyC

            Varitek was drafted by the Seattle Mariners and traded to the Red Sox along with Derek Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb. Get your facts right before trying to be funny.

        • whozat

          I’d rather see Brian McCann be our catcher.

          I’d rather see Markakis be our RFer, BJ Upton be our CF, and Hanley Ramirez be our SS too.

    • Steve H

      If Tek goes back to the Sox, that’s good for the Yankees.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Especially if they overpay for him – $5 mil for ’09? WTF? If they wanted to play hardball, they could get him for half that.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Not for nothing, but hasn’t ARod been the much more classier one in this “battle” with Joe Torre? Did Rodriguez say anything when Torre contributed to that SI article in 2006? Did Rodriguez say anything when he was humiliated on a national scale when Torre batted him eight (!) in the 2006 ALDS?

    I don’t understand what people want from ARod? People constantly shit on him publicly, yet he never responds on their level through the media. However, people just pile more and more shit on him, yet he is dubbed the “clubhouse cancer”?

    I know I’m more of an ARod fan than most, but am I reaching here?

    • A.D.

      Then they just chalk that up to “lack of emotion”

    • Steve H

      If A-Rod did say anything, it was to Torre, and kept confidential. Yeah, I’d say A-Rod has been more than classy enough with regards to this situation.

    • Jack

      No, I don’t think you’re reaching at all. I don’t know where the hate comes from, but I have this sneaking suspicion that jealousy has a major role in it.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Alex ‘fitting in’ here is no longer an issue. Torre’s gone, he’s won 2 MVPs and signed a 10 year extension. Love him or hate him, he’s part of the furniture now.

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      I know I’m more of an ARod fan than most, but am I reaching here?

      Boy is that an understatement :P

      I know what you mean though, he isn’t as bad as people think he is.

      He still doesn’t preform in October lol, that doesn’t change much.

  • Mike Pop

    How many HR’s do you guys thinke Yanks will hit this year? We will probably rank near the top of the league in that category I would think.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      I don’t care, I’m hoping they lead the league in ERA for a change.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Fourth in MLB in FIP (3.96) in 2008 with Darrell Rasner and Sidney Ponson making 40 appearances (35 starts).

    • A.D.

      Hmm, guesses

      Arod: 44
      Tex: 33
      Damon: 15
      Jeter: 13
      Cano: 15
      Posada: 16
      Melky: 4
      BG: 1
      Matsui: 20
      Swisher + Nady: 30
      Ransom: 6

      So 197…Not bad

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        I don’t know why, but I’m having this inkling of a feeling that Melky Cabrera is going to expound on that torrid April he had in 2008.

        • Jack

          It’s the ‘shrooms.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I’ll be happy with an OPS+ in the 70’s.

          • A.D.

            Maybe he can go with the career 84

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          Actually, I think that’s what fouled him up last year. He hit a few HR’s early, and thought he was a power hitter after that. The league adjusted, and spent the rest of the year getting him to chase bad pitches.

          I’m hoping he goes back to looking to draw walks and hit singles again.

          • Sweet Dick Willie

            Yeah, but he hit that HR off CC in a game that Wang won 1-0.

            • Mike Pop

              Also he hit the HR against Carmona didn’t he?

              Playoffs 08

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Brett Gardner actually hitting a HR will be one of the highlights of the season.

        • Jack

          $20 says it’s an inside-the-park job.

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            In that case, he’ll have 2 or 3.

        • A.D.

          Inside the park job

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            No way. RF bleachers. Bank on it.

            • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

              Left field upper deck, he flings the bat and stands at the plate to admire it, then he does the lil giddy up step as he starts to round the bases.

              • steve (different one)

                forever cementing his position as “the new Bubba Crosby”

        • steve (different one)

          it will be an inside the park HR. which are hugely entertaining.

          • steve (different one)

            SONOFA!

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            I was at the stadium when Deon Sanders hit an inside the parker, and Bo Jackson hit 3 HR’s the same night. Maybe the most memorable game I ever saw.

          • Jack

            Dude, imagine if he hit for the cycle with the inside-the-parker. That’s the definition of badass right there.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Brett Gardner’s joining the 50 – 50 club this year!

              • Sweet Dick Willie

                What’s that? 50 triples and 50 SBs?

        • pat

          thats funny shit you two

  • Steve S

    Torre has a lot of nerve with this whole thing. Rehashing this whole thing is pointless. Everyone understood the scenario two years ago and it hasnt changed- Torre wanted two years and felt slighted with the one year offer.

    In that excerpt he manages to throw Cashman under the bus, putting it out there that Cash didnt like certain coaches and then names the actual coaches, one of whom is a revered Yankee. Did Torre think thats what friends for life do? I understand that its possible he is merely describing his feelings at the moment, but in the end the content is there. He is airing out everything that was apparently reserved between them.

    And what also is clear is that at some point Joe Torre bought into the hype and all that garbage about him appreciating being a Yankee, that wasnt true. He felt entitled. he actually goes as far to say that the increase in attendance since 1996 to 2007 should somehow be attributed to him??? So did that have anything to do with players? Does he remember what he was before he got that job- a joke and a color commentator for the little league world series. This is just classless and its especially offensive because sit out in LA and enjoy sun while the entire organization has to face the firing squad for probably the next three months. This is a joke and he should be ashamed this thing. And by the way Verducci, has little integrity left in my mind. Whether its the publisher or PR motivating it, this is the second time in two years he decided to air out Arod through third parties.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      If you were Ned Colletti, or a Dodger’s player, it would be tough to trust the guy at this point.

      • Steve S

        If you are anyone in baseball. I know Michael Kay (pause for groan) tells the story where he called Kay out the clubhouse for being a gossip, talk about pot calling the kettle black. But yeah, too bad the media in LA will sleep on this one.

        • JohnnyC

          Not to defend Kay but Joel Sherman was the one who published that story in his book on the 1996 Yankees not Kay.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Just curious, whats the record for the most Type A free agents signed in one offseason?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      By one team? I’m not sure. The D-Rays signed three or four of them in ’98.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    WTF just happened on 24? Did they blow up a plane? How?

  • Kilgore Trout

    Anyone else think Torre lost a ton of dough in the markets/Madoff? The guy has been making serious coin since what, 1998. I don’t think he made a ton before that. Why write another book before retirement?

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    I don’t think I would do it for McCann, but I am squarley in the camp of “no player is untouchable”. With Joba, you still have heightened durability issues than your average starter, so trading him and getting back a supreme return is not blasphemy, is it?

    If propositioned, what guys would you be willing to trade Joba Chamberlain in a package for? Now, don’t get crazy, obviously we’d all do Justin Upton, Matt Wieters and Hanley Ramirez, I mean guys that the other team would truly consider. [I say that because it would insane to give up a fair package for those three, it just would not make sense for the acquiring team of one of those three.]

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Hanley, Grady, Mauer, Utley, Lincecum … I could probably think of some more.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Pujols, duh.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          BJ Upton. Probably The Justin Upton too.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Halladay.

            • http://www.YouTube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

              How old is Doc?

              • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                His age-32 season will be this year, and he will be a 34-year old after the final year of his contract ($15.75M in 2010).

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                Holy crap, he’s 31 already. Gonna be 32 in May. I figured he was 28, 29.

                • Mike Pop

                  Sounds like you got mental problems man.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  Nah, just doing my best to not acknowledge how old I’m getting.

                • Mike Pop

                  (Anchorman quote)

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Yeah, but you damn well know that those teams would not do a straight swap. So, knowing that, would you be willing to give up all the talent necessary for a fair package to acquire one of those guys?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Well, it depends what the rest of the package looks like.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            Yeah, that is what I’m thinking. Maybe some players aren’t untouchable in the sense that you’d never give them up in a trade, but the fact is that in the trade that you would be willing to deal them, you would have to give up some other impressive talent to entice the other team.

            Honestly, how valuable would it truly be trading a fair package for Justin Upton, Joe Mauer and Hanley Ramirez? It just would not make sense in a value POV to do a deal like that.

            • http://Greg Greg P

              It is somewhat dependent on what surplus you might have, no?

      • Mike Pop

        Longoria?

    • http://Greg Greg P

      Sizemore? Doesn’t turn 27 until August…

  • mustang

    Andy seals a great off-season. I would love to see them get Juan Cruz. I just went over his numbers one word “Wow”. And it’s the prefect storm for the Yankees to get him on the cheap, but that’s like the third cherry on top.
    I can’t wait for the season to start the thrill of this weekend’s Super bowl is just too much for me.
    LOL

  • Reggie C.

    24 is too good. Great episode so far.

  • kane

    Brain Cashman reportedly said to not expect anymore big moves this offseason. So why do I get the feeling this means a major trade is about to happen?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-seri.html

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      cos you’re fluent in Cashman speak

    • http://www.YouTube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

      IPK + Melky for Peavey;)

    • mustang

      LMAO

      I was thinking the same thing when I saw the comment.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      I think the authors of this site and most of the posters are all in agreement on this one. Why trade Swisher or Nady unless you get blown away? Chances are, someone will get hurt and you’ll wish you still had the other one.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Right. No need to move them. It’s not like everyone currently penciled in for the OF/DH is a) durable and healthy, and/or b) guaranteed to hit.

      • kane

        Yeah I’d rather keep both too. But really I really want a base stealer. The only people who steal bases on the Yankees are Damon and sometimes A-Rod. People wonder how the Rays who have no player’s hitting .300 made it to the World Series. Base stealing was a contributing facotr.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Brett Gardner says hi.

        • Steve H

          People don’t wonder, but base stealing wasn’t what got them there. Pitching, pitching, pitching.

          They have stolen about the same number of bases every single year since 2003. That includes 4 last place finishes, 1 fourth and 1 first.

          It’s not the steals.

        • whozat

          People wonder how the Rays who have no player’s hitting .300 made it to the World Series. Base stealing was a contributing facotr.

          Pitching was a vastly, vastly more important factor. Followed by defense. General athleticism and youth leading to good health during the season. A bit of luck, indicated by them out-performing their pythag by a good bit.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    Guys! I just bought my first Yankee tickets of the new year!

    • http://www.YouTube.com/kevyyankees Kevin G.

      Are you bringing a friend? ;)

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Alas, the other ticket is already booked. But maybe next time!

    • A.D.

      Spring training?

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        No, regular season.

  • pat

    Hahaha Matt Wieters hit .355 .454 .600 with 27 HR in his first year of professional ball at age 22. Oh and he had a 1.054 OPS, how pedestrian.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Mauer hit .294-.372-.411 with 9 homers when he was that age … in the big leagues, not A+/AA.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Hanley (favorite player in baseball) is to me as Mauer is to you?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Nah. I’m not sure who my favorite player is, probably Hughes or Cain. I just have a strong appreciation for Mauer’s pure awesomeness.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            Ditto. He will never cease to amaze me.

          • Mike Pop

            I remember when you linked IGWT, there were 2 “watches”. Hughes and Cain haah

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Hells fucking yeah.

  • Mike Pop

    Yankees offseason—A+?

    • kane

      I still don’t think they’re done yet LOL. But yeah a great offseason. I was doubting we’d even get CC when he wanted to play on the west coast. We got him then the next day Burnett. I thought we were set. Then out of nowhere we got Teixeira and now Pettitte. I’m totally satisfied with our team now. I smell a new dynasty…hopefully

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I would’ve been happy with CC OR Tex. Getting both of them is incredible. I’m normally not very hyperbolic but I would say A+. I mean, there is a need to fix the bench a bit but I think the major holes that were plugged outweigh the bench issues.

        And I wouldn’t say getting Pettitte was out of no where; the Yankees were the only team he was ever really interested in.

        • Mike Pop

          I gotta say A+. It has been amazing. Cruz would be awesome but I don’t think it is happening.

        • kane

          I didn’t mean Pettitte from nowhere, I really only meant Tex.

  • Babe’s Ghost

    My man Cash-money sabermetrician

    From the Jack Curry’s article on the Torre book in the New York Times

    “After Cashman secured more power within the Yankees before the 2006 season, Torre felt that Cashman was mostly interested in basing decisions on statistical analysis and practicality. That created a division with Torre, who said he often reminded Cashman that there was a “heartbeat” in baseball.”

    That’s it slam the guy for injecting a bit of reason into the Yanks…

    • Brian Cashman is watching

      He always was, but he never got to fully implement a sabermetrics policy until after 2004 or so. He was looking for certain players, but kept getting shell shocked by Tampa.

    • JohnnyC

      Yeah, as if the man who was the all-time leader in games played without appearing in a World Series would know about the importance of “heartbeat” over analysis.

  • Brian Cashman is watching

    While I enjoyed the comment, thanks to the presidential election, I think we need to retire the following words/phrases:

    1. Maverick, in the noun, verb, adjective, or adverb
    2. Change
    3. You betcha
    4. Palls around
    5. “___” you can believe in
    6. Game changer
    7. Amtrak
    8. Sarah Palin

    Then again, I could be bitter from being in Washington and standing in the cold for 12 hours.

  • D.B.H.O.F. p.k.a Don Corleone

    Jim Bowden “the NL east is the toughest division in baseball”

    Jim Bowden “the Phillies really ramped it up this year by signing Ibanez and resigning Moyer”

    Jim Bowden “the NL east is the toughest division in baseball” (he said it twice)

    just saw him talking on TV from the Nationals (lack of) Fan Fest
    it was on MASN (the regional sports station that is shared by the Nats and the O’s)

    • Tom Zig

      If the Phillies played in the AL East last year, they wouldn’t make the playoffs.

      • D.B.H.O.F. p.k.a Don Corleone

        They would have been a 4th place team. Jim Bowden is a nut. He knows he was lying though.

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  • John in Houston

    If the Yankees don’t make the playoffs this year after the money they have spent, Girardi is gone and running Torre off looks dumber and dumber. Think we can’t miss the playoffs? Think back to the 1982-1994 years. All it would take is an injury to A-Rod or C.C. and we are scrambling big time.

    • D.B.H.O.F. p.k.a Don Corleone

      Actually I think this team will not be scrambling if CC gets hurt. Last year we lost Wang and still won a lot of games, Wang might be the 3rd best pitcher (possibly but I do not think so) the 4th best pitcher on this current team.

      The losing A-Rod comment is silly. What team loses their clean up hitter and 3rd baseman and does not have a problem? If Alex gets hurt and CC gets hurt this team still could win.

      Torre was done here for quite some time, a change was past due.

      Girardi did not do the best job on the world last year, but if Torre was here he would have done most of the same wrong things and would not have dealt with the pitching as well as Girardi did.