Jan
28

Open Thread: Getting what you pay for

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Earlier today it was announced that the Diamondbacks and free agent righty Jon Garland agreed to a one year deal guaranteeing him $8.5M, with a mutual option for a second year thrown in for good measure. Let’s take a quick look at how Garland compares to another recently signed free agent pitcher.

Jon Garland
2008
: 196.2 IP, 1.51 WHIP, 4.76 FIP, 4.12 K/9, 2.70 BB/9, 1.05 HR/9, 1.79 GB/FB, +1.9 WAR
Last Three Years (avg): 205.1 IP, 1.40 WHIP, 4.49 FIP, 4.38 K/9, 2.29 BB/9, 0.99 HR/9, 1.23 GB/FB, +3.2 WAR

Andy Pettitte
2008
: 204 IP, 1.41 WHIP, 3.71 FIP, 6.97 K/9, 2.43 BB/9, 0.84 HR/9, 1.80 GB/FB, +4.4 WAR
Last Three Years (avg): 211.1 IP, 1.43 WHIP, 3.90 FIP, 6.77 K/9, 2.75 BB/9, 0.88 HR/9, 1.65 GB/FB, +4.1 WAR

Holy schnikees. Pettitte’s got him beat in every category except WHIP and walk rate over the last three years, and even those are tiny differences. Of course, there is the little matter of Garland being seven years younger than Pettitte, but age isn’t much of an issue when talking about a pair of one year deals. Sure, the chance of Pettitte regressing is better than the lack of Garland regressing, but a full win regression? Not bloody likely.

So somehow, someway Jon Garland managed to get more guaranteed money than Andy Pettitte. I thought the Yankees were the ones that always overpaid?

(Oh, and as BtB points out, the D-Backs could have had Randy Johnson, who was worth nearly two more wins than Garland in ’08, for roughly the same amount of money. Ouch).

Here’s your Open Thread for the evening. The Rangers are in Pittsburgh while the Knicks and Nets are each in action at home. Also, I’m helping Dave out over at Blueseat Blogs, so make sure you check it out. You know what to do, just be nice.

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  1. I saw Joba last night at Sacred Heart. It was kind of cool.

    Strangley and total coincidence-ly, I sat three rows behind the press row–where PeteAbe was, right in front of me.

  2. tripp says:

    Did anyone else notice the $1.5 million player option buyout? So if he declines the option next year he still gets a mill five.

    Is that normal?

    • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

      Yes, and if he’s the one who decides to opt out of the mutual option, then he pays the D-Backs 1.5 mil.

  3. Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

    Cubs, Padres Likely To Restart Jake Peavy Talks

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....s-lik.html

    If the Cubbies land Jake Peavy, I’m going with an old timey Yanks-Cubs WS this year. That rotation of theirs (Zambrano-Peavy-Harden-Dempster-Lilly) will be downright scary, Marmol’s a stud and Vizcaino should have a bounce back year. Plus, they’re a bit less susceptible to Righties with Bradley in the fold.

    That will also make the 2 pre-Opening Day games they play against the Yanks even more interesting to me.

  4. Jamal G. says:

    God, Jon Heyman is such a moron. He just used the adjectives “tremendous”, “excellent” and “great” to describe Orlando Cabrera, Jon Garland and Orlando Hudson, respectively. Yeesh. Oh, and he also used “terrific” to describe Garret Anderson as a hitter; yeah, the Anderson who has posted just one season with a wOBP in excess of .340 (2007: .347) during the 2004-2008 seasons.

    • Matt says:

      I STILL do not get why so many Mets fans are so high on Orlando Hudson. Luis Castillo is definitely better.

      • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

        Luis Castillo is their Melky Cabrera, only locked into a 4 year contract extension with an ownership that hates to eat bad deals.

        • Matt says:

          But Luis Castillo is at least an average or so hitter and fielder. Melky…not so much.

        • Ed says:

          He’s more like their Hideki Matsui. Castillo used to be good at his position, but he had surgery on both his knees and no longer can play a full season on the field. A large part of his offense came from his ability to steal bases, which he can’t do anymore due to his bad knees.

          Mets fans would love to trade him and sign, say, Orlando Hudson the same way a lot of Yankee fans would like to trade Matsui and sign Dunn.

          At least Matsui’s contract is up after this season.

      • steve (different one) says:

        Luis Castillo is definitely NOT better than Orlando Hudson.

        i’m shocked anyone would try to say otherwise.

        • Mike Pop says:

          I’m going to have to second this. I don’t know what Matt is thinking. Dude is loco!!!

          • Matt says:

            Castillo: .292/.367/.355/.722, .322 wOBA
            Hudson: .305/.346/.443/.770, .339 wOBA

            They’re just about even in hitting, a slight edge to Hudson due to some power, but Castillo is almost two runs better than him in terms of UZR/150 (3.9-2.0) at 2B.

            Castillo’s lack of power kind of hurts him but he’s got better plate discipline and patience and is a better fielder as well. If I’m the Mets, I take the dude I’ve already got instead of having to do a bunch of shuffling for essentially the exact same player.

      • I STILL do not get why so many Mets fans are so high on Orlando Hudson. Luis Castillo is definitely better.

        That’s a joke, right?

        Luis Castillo just put up a .315 wOBA. He was one of the worst regulars in the league last year.

        Hudson, by comparison, put up a .358, and has had wOBA’s north of .330 (league average) for three straight years. Castillo hasn’t been north of league average since 2005. Oh, and he’s two full years older.

        I’ve never advocated for adding Hudson to the Yankees, but that’s because we actually have a good second baseman in Cano. The Mets have a black hole at 2B if they’re planning on trotting Castillo out there every day.

  5. Doc says:

    Let’s face it. If andy put himself on the market he would have made d lowe money.

  6. Ace says:

    I thought the Yankees were the ones that always overpaid?

    Let’s not go crazy here Mike. Overpaying Garland by $1 or $2 million for 1 year is a tad different than giving AJ Burnett 5 years or overbidding the next team $60 million for CC Sabathia.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Yankees did not overbid for AJ. The Braves were right there with us. We went up a bit. CC is a different story because we needed a guy like that and he was rumored to be interested in Cali. Yanks did what they had to do to improve the team. Also they could of had the Big Unit for probably cheaper since he loves playing in Zona.

      • Ace says:

        They couldve offered CC $125 million first. You dont just offer $160 off the bat. Thats not what I consider, doing what you have to do to improve the team.

        • Jamal G. says:

          Their initial bid was for $140M.

          • Ace says:

            That is right. I stand corrected on that. However it is still $40 million higher than anyone else was offering and they should have told him to take it or leave it. It is clear now that no team would have been willing to spend that much $ this offseason.

            • Mike Pop says:

              Well since everything in your first statement was wrong, you stand corrected on your whole statement. :)

              • Ace says:

                5 years for AJ Burnett is absolutely insane when Ben Sheets could be had for 3. There is no way anyone justifies the Burnett signing to me. We gave him too many years.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  Why was another team trying to rebuild it’s rotation willing to give him 5 years also? I think the Jays were willing to go 5 on him too but just less money. Why hasn’t Sheets gotten a “real” offer yet? There is obviously something wrong there. If Sheets finished the season healhty, I would agree that if we could of had him for 3 it would have been the better decision. But if he did finish it healthy, he would likely have a 5 year deal right now.

                • Ace says:

                  As soon as the Braves got to 5 years I wouldve instantly put the 4 year offer on the table and told him to take it or leave it. His nut-job wife who wont fly and he has to cater to would probably have made him taken the deal to stay in NY anyway. I dont understand why any team would give Burnett 5 years.

                  As far as comparing Burnetts health to Sheets. Just look at the histories. Yes, Sheets finished with an injury last year. But he has never had surgery and has had a better career than Burnett. If someone wanted to sign Sheets for 5 years I’d say they were crazy too. But if I had to choose between Sheets for 3 or Burnett for 5, at the time of the Burnett signing, I would have gone with Sheets.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  What makes you think Sheets would do so much better than AJ in the AL East though?? This is something I have never understood on here. He has a 3.72 career ERA in the NL and AJ has a 3.81 with 3 years in the AL East. What makes you think Sheets won’t put up a 3.8 ERA in our division.

                  Also for fun:
                  IP for AJ over last 5 years
                  2004-120
                  2005-209
                  2006-135.7
                  2007-165.7
                  2008-221.3
                  total-852.1

                  Sheets
                  2004-237
                  2005-156.7
                  2006-106
                  2007-141.3
                  2008-198.3
                  total-839.3

                  Also isn’t it a good thing that Burnett has already had tommy john as opposed to Sheets not having it?

                • Chris says:

                  You love this take it or leave argument.

                  The general outcome of this is type of negotiation is a ‘leave it’ decision.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  Another problem is IF Sheets finished healthy, he definitely would get more than 3 years considering the way he pitched this year.

                • steve (different one) says:

                  But if I had to choose between Sheets for 3 or Burnett for 5, at the time of the Burnett signing, I would have gone with Sheets.

                  so would have everyone here.

                  however, SINCE that time, it’s become blatantly obvious that there is something in Sheets’ medicals that has scared off EVERYONE.

                  i honestly don’t even see the point of saying “i’d have given Sheets a 3 year deal” when NO ONE in baseball is going to do that.

                  it’s a pointless argument.

                • Ace says:

                  Also isn’t it a good thing that Burnett has already had tommy john as opposed to Sheets not having it?

                  Haha. NO. If you’re going to have Tommy John there has to be a reason to have it. Sheets hasn’t had a reason. He had some shoulder tendinitis in 2005 due to a back problem and also has suffered an innear ear infection and a strained groin.

                • steve (different one) says:

                  If you’re going to have Tommy John there has to be a reason to have it.

                  ??

                  you are missing the point completely.

                  the point is that most pitchers don’t have a second TJS and they often come back stronger from the surgery.

                  Burnett is now 5 years removed from the surgery.

                  i have a LOT of confidence in the strength of his elbow.

                  Sheets, on the other hand, ended the season with a tear near his elbow.

                  there is a chance (not saying he will) he will need TJS sometime in the next few years.

                  Burnett’s elbow is probably a much better bet going forward than Sheets’.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  Ya but that means there is a chance he could have an injury that would force him to get Tommy John.
                  That Ace, is not good. Way to only nitpick from my post and you were still wrong when you did it.

                • Mike Pop says:

                  Where’d he go?

                • Chris says:

                  Actually, I believe the chances of having TJ surgery are about the same whether you’ve already had it or not. There are a number of examples of pitchers who’ve had it twice or more.

                  Here’s an article about pitchers going under the knife multiple times:

                  http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....john_N.htm

                • Mike Pop says:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....#Frequency

                  Look at all the players on wikipedia there. There are many more who have only had it once than more than once. The chances are not almost the same in my opinion. It’s not even close.

                • Chris says:

                  What percentage of pitchers ever have TJ surgery? 5%? 10%?

                  If 10% of pitchers have the surgery once, then you would expect 10% of those that had it once to have it again. There are 120 players on that list, and 11 on multiple times – or about a 10% injury rate.

                  The other thing to consider is that the chances of returning after the 1st TJ surgery is 85% or better. Success of the second surgery is much less likely.

        • Mike Pop says:

          They had to tell him, listen up big guy, you are going to be a Yankee.

        • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

          You don’t know that at the time. There’s a theory in auctions that if you come in early with a high bid, you scare off the marginal buyers and actually suppress the price. If things had dragged on with CC, we could have been locked in a bidding war where multiple sides wind up going far beyond what they originally planned to spend. It happens all the time in auctions, and could have happened here.

          By the Yanks coming out so far ahead of everyone else, other GMs knew there was no point in getting involved. Tony Reagins of LAA was quoted saying something to that effect.

          So its not as crazy as it seems on the surface.

      • kane says:

        And I also love the fact people bitch on why we outbid ourselves to get CC. Yeah we paid like 20 mil more but we added for 2 years. You’re actually paying less per year than the original contract. Just with more years but people see the figure, ignore the years and complain how much the Yankees spend.

  7. Steve H says:

    Umm, no way.

    • Ace says:

      Way to express yourself. You are very articulate.

      • Steve H says:

        I work hard at it. Yeah, I’m a dumbass.

        This was supposed to be in response to Pettitte getting a D-Lowe contract. Considering everyone in the world knew the 3/36 offer Pettitte was believed to have had was total BS, there is no way he was getting 4/60.

  8. pat says:

    Completey unrelated to baseball- There is no doubt in my mind that if Lebron James had stuck with football, he could easily be the best player in the NFL. He was an all state receiver in Ohio his sophmore year of highschool. Dudes 6’8″ 250, awesome hands 44 inch vert, he would be unfrickin stoppable, alot like the NBA. He probably stands to make more money in the nba though so I guess it was a good decision.

  9. BigBlueAL says:

    First time in years I look forward to watching the Knicks play every night, I am finally getting my money’s worth with the NBA League Pass!!!!

    Still must say, the Extra Innings package is still by far the best value you can get….

    • Damn true. Wilson Chandler, David Lee, Chris Duhon, Al Harrington = all good players. And I take back everything mean I ever said about Mike D’Antoni: he’s turned Nate Robinson into a stud and resurrected the long-dead Good Tim Thomas.

      When Bron-Bron and Chris Bosh hit this team in 20 more months, the NBA is fucked.

      • Nady Nation says:

        TSJC, how confident are you that we can pull 2 of the cream-of-crop FAs? I keep looking at our payroll and running scenarios over in my head. I don’t see how we can extend Lee and get Bron/Bosh. Am I wrong?

        • Bruno says:

          If Curry gets traded, yes we can extend Lee and still get JJ/Wade & Bosh. With Curry still a Knick, it’ll be a tight squeeze.

        • We’re probably going to deal one of either Lee or Nate , rather than extend them both, for a young player of some other value at some point (like, say, a young PG or something.)

          But basically, going into the summer of Bron, here’s who we’ll have under contract:

          Gallinari at 3.3M
          Chandler at 2.1M
          Either Lee or Nate at, say, 6-7M
          Whomever we draft in the first round this coming July at like 4-5M
          The expiring contracts of Eddy Curry (11.2M) and Jared Jeffries (6.8M)

          That’s it. Every other Knicks player expires that summer. So, we could sign one player (like, say LeBron) to a max deal of 15M-18M AAV (or whatever the max contract is at that point) as an outright free agent, and then use the expiring Curry and Jeffries deals to do a sign-and-trade for Bron’s wingman (like Bosh, Wade, Amare, whatever) and have a roster of:

          1-2009 draftee? (Brandon Jennings, maybe?)
          2-Bron
          3-Chandler, Gallinari
          4-Lee
          5-Bosh

          And we’re still like 7-10M under the cap for a third player, plus the one year veteran max, plus all the vets we can sign to the minimum who’d love to come play with Bron and Bosh and win rings.

          It’s fiendishly simple.

      • Bruno says:

        Look I’m a Knicks fan and bball is my fav sport, but unfortunately LeBron IS NOT coming to NY. I think that was the point of the Browns commercial, he signed with Cleveland a.k.a. HIS HOMETOWN! Joe Johnson & Chris Bosh.

  10. Ace says:

    Orr and Goddard just dropped their gloves to start the game. Orr got knocked down but it was a good fight…awesome.

  11. RichYF aka sooooo tired of the "namedrop says hello" meme says:

    Gotta catch up on the comments, but I just had this idea, which is my dream for next year:

    A-Rod changes numbers and wears #6

    Thoughts?

  12. The Evil Empire says:

    When does Ryan Braun become a FA?

  13. Ryan S. says:

    Taking John Garland over Randy Johnson for the same exact money deserves a gigantic facepalm. This is basically the pitching equivalent of the Raul Ibanez signing.

  14. Jamal G. says:

    Damn, I’m not even gonna lie, I find myself rooting for the Knicks right now.

  15. Paulie says:

    The reason Garland got more money than Pettitte is because he is better than Pettitte (in my opinion). Now I know there are some people (probably many people) out there that strongly disagree with me and dislike Garland, for whatever reason that may be.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there are no rights and wrongs when it comes to discussing these issues.

  16. bronxbrain says:

    I haven’t heard much speculation or suggestion about the Yankees prying Elijah Dukes away from the Nats. As emotionally distressed as this guy seems to be, he may be the one chance the Yankees have at getting a young, very athletic outfielder without surrendering our own key players. Other than Ajax, the upper reaches of the farm system are barren of outfielders–we could use a guy like this (unless he goes to prison for an extended period). Anybody else thing it might be worth rolling the dice? Maybe the pressure of playing in New York will drive the thug out of him.

  17. Mike R. says:

    “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, there are no rights and wrongs when it comes to discussing these issues.”

    I agree. If you WATCH THE GAMES you would realize how good Garland is. In my opinion Garland is better than Katie Holmes topless. TM

  18. Joey H says:

    What are the odds Melancon breaks camp this year? And what is our bullpen looking like as of now if we don’t add a guy like Cruz?

    • Steve H says:

      Cruz would just be a luxury. The bullpen should be very solid (especially with a Joe who knows how to use it). Not only will it be solid, but there will be enforcements in AAA waiting in the wings. If someone struggles on the big club, they can be replaced by Melancon, Aceves, Hughes, etc, etc, etc. In fact, our cache of power arms in the pen is so deep, shall we never hear the unmentionable mentioned again.

      • Joey H says:

        True. Luxury for sure. But whats the answer to my question man? Melancon or no Melancon? And the ‘pen at Mo-Marte/Bruney and whoever?

      • Ryan S. says:

        Did you just imply that Phil Hughes should be used in the bullpen? That’s like The Unmentionable Part 2.

        • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

          I’d support that. If he doesn’t get enough innings, he can do winter ball again.

          • Ryan S. says:

            Young Mr. Hughes ought just spend the entire season in AAA and be our #6 starter when we eventually need him. That young boy doesn’t need to get wild impressions of the bullpen running around in his head or anyone else’s for that matter. We have plenty of players being groomed for the pen that we can call up, and he will be required as a starting pitcher in the big leagues next year – I promise you.

            • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

              There’s two theories here. One says let him stay in AAA and work on his secondary stuff, which is valid.

              The other says he has nothing left to prove in the minors, he just needs to gain confidence at the big league level, and a good way to build that up is in small bites out of the bullpen. Also valid.

              So it really comes down to the needs of the team (which always comes first) and the team’s assessment of the player. Since they really don’t need a bullpen arm badly, he’ll likely start in AAA.

              • Greg G. says:

                Not only that, but Hughes lost some “innings time” with his injuries last year. It’d be hard to catching up to the total he needs on bullpen appearances alone.

                Besides, It’s hard to imagine a situation where he doesn’t get called up to make some starts for the big league club. It’s just hard to go a whole season with the same 5 starters.

                • Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

                  Not that hard to imagine. Aceves could get those starts, as could IPK.

                • Greg G. says:

                  Fair enough, I should rephrase my point: “It’s hard to imagine a situation where they don’t need a 6th starter.”

                  I don’t think Hughes’ problem is confidence, I think it’s innings and health. If he breaks camp in AAA, starts every fifth day, and then comes up if a starter is needed, that should work out okay. Same with Aceves and IPK, although my preference would be that Hughes would be first in line (especially if the call up is for more than a spot start)

              • Mike Pop says:

                But would you pitch him more than once every 5 days? Is that okay to do for his development?

              • Ryan S. says:

                I would argue that staying in AAA and letting him kick ass for a full season there would also help his confidence. He’s still going to get those small bites of major league experience by being the #6 guy. I suppose I can envision certain scenarios where Hughes would be used in the bullpen during the later part of the season or in the playoffs, but I think he needs to get at least 140 innings in as a starter before you even think about converting him.

        • A.D. says:

          Well at least the Joba starter vs reliever debate might be put to bed in favor of a Hughes debate

          • MattG says:

            I got no problem Earl Weavering Hughes. There’s something to be said for just being on the major league roster, waiting for your opportunity. He might be the better for it.

      • MattG says:

        All you say about bullpen depth is true, yet the Yankees should still sign Cruz for one year, ride for all he’s worth for 3+ months, and then trade him for a mint in July (while replacing him with one of Melancon/Alby/Whelan/Cox and so on). Cruz is very good, and some fool who figures if he can just nail down the eighth inning will pay dearly for him.

  19. UWS says:

    Nooooooooo…..the stoopid evil Facebook chat is down for maintenance. Kill.

  20. Steve O. says:

    Not to stray too far away from baseball, but did anyone see the awesome game between the Bobcats and Lakers? Great. Game.

  21. Artist formerly known as 'The' Steve says:

    “Twins End Talks With Gagne

    According to Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune, the Twins have broken off talks with Eric Gagne. Christensen reports that the Twins are now turning their focus to finding eighth-inning relief help through a trade. ”

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....talks.html

    We have a few 8th inning guys to deal. Wonder what the Twins might have for us.

  22. Bob says:

    What’s FIP?

  23. Matt says:

    Damn G-Town lost AGAIN!

  24. pat says:

    How about this for an awesome new TV show… Americas Next Top Pornstar. This would probably be the target demographic.

    • Jamal G. says:

      I used to love watching “7 Lives Exposed” when I was a freshman and sophomore in High School.

    • Mike Pop says:

      Ya, you would like that, wouldn’t you Pat? You sick fu*k!!!

      • pat says:

        It would be awesome you put the contestants through all these crazy tests and trials. You could make them have sex in all these crazy places to see if they can keep their concentration. I’ve seen enough shitty porn in my life to recognize a good performance. Pop know you k now what i’m talkin about.

        No? ok well then i guess you’re right I’m a sick f*ck. Guilty as charged.

  25. Manimal says:

    Seriously, what could we get back for Edwar, Veras or even Bruney.

  26. Steve O. says:

    Or don’t pay for, in this case.

  27. Nady Nation says:

    The Knicks have won 5 of 6. Honestly cannot remember the last time that happened.

  28. Ryan S. says:

    I just had a sad, sad thought:

    There are going to be people that purchase 2KSMLB®FOMFBB and use Joba in the bullpen.

    Douche bags.

    • MattG says:

      I would do that, but I would make sure he pitched every time: 1) the game was within a run either way 2) he was able 3) I needed a reliever, regardless of the inning, and 4) I would let him finish the game.

      Do it like that, and he might be more valuable than as a starter.

      He’ll also be out for the season by May. Is the game realistic with injuries?

      • Bruno says:

        Am I a douche for turning injuries off in video games? I mean, it’s a freakin’ video game! I don’t need my stars getting hurt for fake.

  29. BigBlueAL says:

    How about Knicks schedule next week, all at home. Mon vs Lakers, Wed vs Cavs, Fri vs Celtics!!!! Funny thing is with the way they are now playing, winning 1 of the 3 should be expected and winning 2 out of 3 could be possible….

  30. Manimal says:

    IPK, Edwar, and Gardner for Gomez.

    Is that just wishful thinking?

  31. Manimal says:

    http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....-and-more/

    Must read article by Tyler Kepner of the NY Times(H/T Pete Abe)

  32. Old Ranger says:

    B-Jobbers have their opinions, the same as the rest of us. They may not be overly bright but, they have a forum (any Sports Blog) just as we do, to say anything they wish. If you don’t agree…don’t read or comment. Free speech, we still have…right?Damn, that was good!

    • pat says:

      Eloquently put.

      YA GODDAMN PIMP!!!!

      • Old Ranger says:

        Pimp is not a word I find acceptable when applied to me. Please refrain from using it. Pimp is a very derogatory epitaph…at least among people of my generation. Once was enough. Thank you!

        • pat says:

          Geez I’m sorry dude. Bigtime generational difference. I didn’t mean to offend you. Surely you know amongst the younger crowd it is most definitely a compliment and does not have the same connotation as a person with a stable of prostitutes.

          • Bruno says:

            does not have the same connotation as a person with a stable of prostitutes.

            I thought it kinda did? Only we don’t share our ho’s with others in exchange for money.

          • Old Ranger says:

            You going to any spring training games? If you are look me up, I’ll be the little old guy with the Ranger field hat. We can talk about the differences in our generations. It would be very enlightening don’t you think?
            Pimps are the scum of the earth so, your egregious innuendos are not welcome…no matter how you try and cover it. See you in the spring I hope.
            =================
            Geez I’m sorry dude. Bigtime generational difference. I didn’t mean to offend you.
            ================
            See how much nicer that looks? That would have been a good place to stop.

    • pat says:

      Yes but notice it was hit in the first inning. Which for Arod means it only counted for half a run.

    • Manimal says:

      that was crushed.

      I kind of have this thing that I do where I go back in the video archives of the year before and I start in April and I watch every video clip of the previous season. You just reminded me that I need to start pretty soon

  33. pat says:

    I wonder how many blogs would KILL to have upwards of 400 comments on some shit wednesday night the middle of january.

  34. Troy says:

    Oh, and as BtB points out, the D-Backs could have had Randy Johnson, who was worth nearly two more wins than Garland in ‘08, for roughly the same amount of money. Ouch

    I kept on thinking that when analyzing this signing. They could’ve had a better, more proven pitcher who loved playing in Arizona (who would’ve made the team a ton of money next year thanks to his pursuit of 300 wins)…and they signed Jon Garland for the same amount of money. Ridiculous…

  35. Tom Zig says:

    What is the record at RAB for most posts on a single thread?

  36. VO says:

    I don’t understand what everyone is talking about, according to Rob Neyer the Diamondbacks got a bargain.

  37. John says:

    I knew Jeter wouldnt defend A-rod

    “It gets to a point where it seems like we’re always talking about the same thing,” Jeter said. “It seems like every year at this time it’s the same questions about the same things. I think everyone is eager to get to spring training and start playing on the field.”

  38. [...] Joe Torre saw a ‘coldness’ in Randy Levine’s dealings  /  Getting what you pay for [...]

  39. Bonos says:

    http://www.bronxbanterblog.

    And on Bronx Banter

    Roger’s prep to pitching

    Verducci writes that Clemens’ usual pregame preparation included taking a whirlpool bath at the hottest temperature possible. “He’d come out looking like a lobster,” Yankee trainer Steve Donahue told Verducci. Donahue would then rub hot liniment all over Clemens’ body. “Then Donahue would rub the hottest possible liniment on his testicles,” Verducci writes.

    “He’d start snorting like a bull,” the trainer said. “That’s when he was ready

    Snirkle, Snort, Guffaw. Nothing like a healthy Guffaw

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