Jan
07

Open Thread: It was 89 years ago yesterday…

By

the-babe

Yesterday marked the 89th anniversary of the Yanks’ acquisition of George Herman “Babe” Ruth from the Red Sox, perhaps the single biggest player transaction in baseball history. All told, the Bombers sent Sox owner Harry Frazee $125,000 in cash, as well as three annual payments of $25,000 at 6% interest in exchange for Ruth. The Yanks also loaned Frazee $300,000, accepting the mortgage to Fenway Park as collateral.

Fresh off a recording setting 29 homerun season in his final year with the Sawx, Ruth became the Sultan of Swat as we know him immediately after the trade, clubbing 113 homers in his first two years in pinstripes. The team went from a 701-780 (.473) record in the ten years preceeding Ruth’s acquisition to a 924-670 (.580) record in the ten years following the pickup. Ruth finished his career with a .342-.474-.690 batting line, a 207 OPS+, 714 homers, 2,217 RBI, 1330-2062 K/BB ratio, a .518 wOBP, and seven World Titles. He’s easily the greatest player in baseball history based on how he performed in comparison with the rest of the players in his era.

Thanks Harry. (h/t UWS)

Here’s your open thread for the night. The Rangers take on Montreal at home, the Knicks are off, the Isles are off, and the Devils suck. Talk about whatever else is on your mind, just be nice.

  • Sam

    That is the man you are chasing Alex Rodriguez. Even if you succeed will you ever be compared to him?

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I’d say yes. When all is said and done, A-Rod could go down as one of the five best players ever, and Babe Ruth is on that list as well. So, yeah, they’ll get compared. Obviously Ruth > A -Rod but they’ll be “compared” when Rodriguez is done.

      • ‘The’ Steve

        Babe Ruth is “on the list” with A-Rod? How generous of you!

        • ‘The’ Steve

          Wait, I take that back. I totally misread your comment. My bad.

          But to be clear, Ruth is a wing of his own in the hall of fame. A-Rod is an all time great, but nobody is the Babe.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Alex Rodriguez is to Babe Ruth as a foot massage is to sticking your tongue into the holiest of holies.

    • ‘The’ Steve

      Nobody is chasing Ruth.

      That 207 CAREER OPS+ is the only one above 200 in history. Ted Williams is close (192) Gehrig, Hornsby and Mantle are in the ballpark at 170ish, and then you have everyone else.

      Best active hitter is Pujols (170), like that’s any surprise. A-Rod is down at 147.

      http://www.baseball-reference......reer.shtml

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I’m so glad that I’ll get to see all of Pujols’s career. He is truly other-worldly.

        • Sam

          I got to see him once this year. When i traveled to Philly and they were in town. His swing was maybe one of the sweetest things I’ve ever seen

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            I saw him in Petco a few years ago. He hit a ball off Maddux, I swear to God I’ve never heard anything like it. Of course it was just a line drive double off the wall, but he completely destroyed that pitch.

            • Sam

              Those stats he put up this year are incredible. I’m heading out on a stadium roadtrip in late june this year. Going to see almost every stadium in the midwest plus the hall and the set of field of dreams. But seeing him bat will probably make the trip

              • Dirt

                My dad is friends with Tony LaRussa, and I’ve met Pujols a few times, and I played outfield while he, and a few others, took BP in spring training a few years ago. I caught a few of his fly balls, (not to mention robbing Chris Duncan of a homer!) and even the pop ups killed my hand.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Career .363 EQA, .510 wOBA. Holy fuckbeans.

      • Thomas

        To be accurate, the best active career OPS+ is held by Barry Bonds at 182, who also holds the record for highest single season OPS+.

        • ‘The’ Steve

          Barry who?

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            Alright, see, this, I think, is BS.

            Yeah Bonds was a PED-user or whatever but you knwo what, he wasn’t the only one doing it. I’m sure a good number of pitchers he was facing were juiced up as well.

            I’ve just become so cynical with the whole ‘Steroid Era’ that I almost don’t give a shit anymore. Kind of. I don’t know. Fuck it.

            • ‘The’ Steve

              How many HR’s do you think Ruth would have hit if HE was on the juice?

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Fun thing to do: go to baseball-reference.com and click “Neutralize Stats” and then click on 2000 Rockies.

                If Babe Ruth played his whole career for the 2000 Rockies (1,013 runs, 6.25 per game) he would’ve posted the following line:

                .383/.518/.771/1.289, 898 HR, 3,132 RBI

                AVG 162:

                .383/.518/.771/1.289, 54 HR, 190 RBI

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Bonds was a HOFer long before he turned into Superman and hit 73 homers. He could have retired in ’98 and been in Cooperstown already.

              Great wasn’t good enough.

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                That, too.

              • A.D.

                Chicks dug the long ball, not career 400/400

              • ‘The’ Steve

                That, and he was breaking down. He got on the juice because it helped him stay on the field and not only improved his performance but extended his career dramatically.

                He only played in 102 games in 1999 and was fading at age 34, having one of his worst years stat-wise. He then went on to post 4 of the best years in baseball history at a time when most players see their skills diminish. Years above and beyond what he himself ever did in his prime. Please.

                • the most felonious vocalist in the wide world of showbusiness

                  I thought the authors of Game of Shadows claim that Bonds got hurt in 1999 because of the steroids. Didn’t they say that seeing McGwire and Sosa get all the praise in ’98 made Bonds jealous and started him doing steroids? Supposedly, he hurt his elbow because he was misusing the steroids which eventually caused him to seek out professional guidance from the BALCO people. The steroids definitely helped him enormously after that but if you believe Game of Shadows they hurt him in 1999.

    • RCK

      As far as I can tell, they are compared to each other constantly.

    • GG

      The Babe threw a fastball at 114MPH, true story, and that was just a normal FB, if he had to he could gas it up to 125

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        The Babe threw a fastball at 114MPH, true story

        I’m VERY skeptical of that being true.

        First, there were no JUGS guns back then. Second, I have read that the reason pitchers don’t keep throwing faster (Feller supposedly hit 100mph in the early 50s) is because the human shoulder just isn’t built for it. So while 15 seconds has been shaved off the mile record in the past 50 years, the max fastball hasn’t increased at all (or at least imperceptibly).

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          He was joking.

          Heh, you said jugs.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Heh, you said jugs.

            Me, is that you?

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    ugh, studying for midterms.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Ugh. Only eleven more days til I go back to school.

      The long breaks are definitely going to be missed when I’m done w/school…

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.
    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.
      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        9 strikeouts in that few innings? Not good enough. Put him in the bullpen.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Well, facing the Padres didn’t hurt. ;)

    • ‘The’ Steve

      That kid is gonna make one hell of a setup man one day.

      Darn tootin!

  • http://www.blueseatblogs.com Dave

    Let’s hope the Rangers avoid another embarrassment against the Habs tonight

  • http://www.wifisalon.com MARSHAL BROWN

    I heard he wasn’t a bad pitcher either. ;)

  • UWS

    Oooooh, my first h/t around these parts. Movin’ up in the world, baby!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’d h/t that.

  • usty

    http://www.gvnews.com/articles.....orts03.txt

    Anyone else see that today and gag? Olney linked it. The man left Rickey Henderson off the ballot. He voted for Matt Williams (Admitted PED user) but not Mark McGwire because McGwire might have used PED’s. (His words). Just an awful awful job by a writer again.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Urge to kill… rising…

      See, if I was a Hall of Famer, shit like that would make me want to give my enshrinement back (almost).

      Rickey Henderson doesn’t get a vote, but MATT FUCKING WILLIAMS?!?!?!?!?!?

      MULTIPLE INTERROBANGS?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!

      After that, I promise to never call Peter Gammons a homer again (not really). Corky Simpson deserves to be kidnapped by Kathy Bates and have his legs broken, only I want her to do that to with the intention of keeping him FROM ever writing again.

      • usty

        He even voted for Rickey Lite in Tim Raines. Half of his reasons for voting for guys are BETTER applied to Rickey.

        I wish I had my own “Horrendously Retarded” tag for that one.

  • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

    We keep hearing about a Nady/Swisher deal, and that the Yankees have been in talks with the Reds. What do you guys think the Yanks would get in return for one of them from the Reds?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Ask for Harang. See if they’ll sell low and buy high.

      • teixburnathia

        if we could add Haran we would officialy be unstoppable

        • ‘The’ Steve

          Yes, if he’s healthy. He’s coming off a bad year, so you want to make sure nothing’s wrong with him.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            Yeah, he finished the year strong, so Dusty Baker didn’t completely fuck him over.

            • ‘The’ Steve

              Dusty? Nooooooooooo. He would NEVER do THAT!

              • Mike Pop

                Dusty never has ran a pitcher to the ground, it was all about the mechanics!

    • ‘The’ Steve

      It has to be a pitcher, that’s all the Yanks need at this point. And no, not Homer Bailey. A proven veteran making good money that the Reds would like to get off their payroll, like Harang or Bronson Arroyo. Both of who are coming off bad years, so their stock is down.

      • teixburnathia

        I agree no to Homor Bailey. The yankees already have their share of over hyped young pitchers

      • Sam

        Hmm maybe C-Money can channel his inner Billy Beane and get Jay Bruce that would make my year. Not likely but it doesn’t hurt to have dreams.http://images.art.com/images/-.....31086.jpeg

        He was probably best though in For the Love of the Game

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Lol seriously? Do you have any idea what it would take to get Jay Bruce?

        • ‘The’ Steve

          No, were not getting any young, cheap super talented players. Unless we give up one of our own

          We’re the Yankees, we do salary dumps and that one of the many reasons why we (seriously) are good for Baseball. A salary dump is the GM’s best friend. Ask Pat Gillick, who dumped Abreu/Lidle on us and won a WS 2 years later. Do you think he has the money to go get Lidge if Bobby’s still on the books? Doubtful.

          • Sam

            Just a dream thats all. Does tex have a no trade clause?

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              Yessir.

  • teixburnathia

    Would a Nady for Jonathon Sanchez trade get done?

    • ‘The’ Steve

      Why would the Yankees do that? Sanchez has a career ERA over 5 in the NL West.

      http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

      • teixburnathia

        I know but hes got the potential to be really good and he showed signs of greatness last year. Some of that high era could be from his returning from injury late last year

        • ‘The’ Steve

          Yanks are a win now team. Someone who might be good in 2 years doesn’t help us.

        • whozat

          Sanchez is a 26 year old who throws hard and sorta knows where it’s going. He strikes me as an Ollie Perez/Edwin Jackson type. Someone scouts love because of the big fastball, but will top out at league-average. And that’s ok, but it’s not someone I’m clamoring to get. Frankly, I’d rather have the big-league OF depth than bring a pitcher who walks the world to the AL East.

          The Yanks HAVE young pitching. That’s all they have. If they’re going to trade, they should trade for young position player talent OR something that fills a need now. If they could get a Harang, that could make it a no-brainer to move Kennedy and another young pitcher later this year to bring in a young position player of interest. I kinda don’t see that happening, though, so…I’d just keep Nady/Swish and let the inevitable injuries clear up the playing time problem. Or, trade in June/July.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            He strikes me as an Ollie Perez/Edwin Jackson type

            You’re not helping your argument with statements like that, you know…

            • Whozat

              Implying that I’m wrong, or that the yanks should want to acquire arms like those?

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                My bad. I misread, thought you were for the deal and were trying to bolster your case. My mistake, disregard.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        How about the fact that he’s a 27-year-old (his 2009 season will be his age-27 season) LHP who made 29 starts and pitched to the tune of a 3.85 FIP. Also, we are talking about a guy with good stuff and he’s under team control for the next four seasons. Packaging all that together, the Yankees would do a Xaveir Nady-for-Jonathan Sanchez swap in a cocaine heartbeat.

        • ‘The’ Steve

          Give me one lineup in the NL West that’s decent. One that could compete in the AL East. In that division, his stats (which are already poor) are inflated, plus you add the 1/2 run for the NL-AL switch. No thanks.

          He also has had issues with stamina, which tells me he’s not a hard worker. I can’t believe he’s going to improve his game and reach his ceiling if he doesn’t work hard at it.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            He also has had issues with stamina, which tells me he’s not a hard worker. I can’t believe he’s going to improve his game and reach his ceiling if he doesn’t work hard at it.

            I think it had more to do with the fact that he’s been a reliever since his MLB debut in 2006.

            • ‘The’ Steve

              Nope. He was drafted as a starter, started in 2005 in the minors, relieved in 2006 in the minors, and then a started again in 2007 and was a reliever in that same season. Then they brought him up as a reliever, then made him a starter again in 2008.

              Sounds like they’ve tried everything, and nothing’s worked.

              http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....chez.shtml

              • ‘The’ Steve

                BTW-He started 22 games in 2006 and 2007

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  Whilst on the San Francisco Giants in the 2006 and 2007 MLB seasons, Jonathan Sanchez started just eight of the sixty games he appeared in, or just 13%.

                  Outside of a six-game stint in the Pacific Coast League in 2006 and a two-game cameo in the California League in 2007, Sanchez has appeared in games via the bullpen at least half the time at every level since the start of the 2006 professional campaign.

                  Before the 2008 season, he has not been a full-time starter since the 2005 season. So, the point still stands, his lack of stamina can be reasonably attributed to the fact that he has not been a full-time starter since 2005.

                • ‘The’ Steve

                  You lost me at ‘whilst’.

                  Who the fuck says ‘whilst’ anymore?

                  If you insist on using the term ‘whilst’ I will insist you refer to me as “Your Majesty” from now on.

                • Bruno

                  cocaine heartbeat

                  The metaphor’s all time awesomeness has finally been realized.

  • soxfan

    Ruth-what a fantasy stud

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      That’s what SHE said!!!

  • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

    Just imagine Ruth playing now in days with an agent like Boras. He would be getting 40 million a year probablly.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      TSJC pointing this out the other day, but it’s worth repeating:

      It’s entirely possible that A-Rod could hit career homers 755, 762 and 763 in the same year, all of which would trigger bonuses. If he hits those homers in 2013, combined with his base salary and the part of his signing bonus that’s owed to him that year, A-Rod could earn $47M in 2013.

      • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

        my bad didnt see that

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        That’s….insane.

        • Conan the Barack O’Brian

          Yeah, well LeBron can make 50 in Russia, easy, without hitting any homeruns.

      • kunaldo

        so did arod really opt out of his contract? from what Cot’s says, it seems as though texas is still funding the $9mil for 2008-2010…mistake or true? if true, it’s freakin awesome! b/c in his two most expensive contract years(’09 & ’10, each of which he’ll get $32 mil), the yanks will be paying him only about 2/3s of his contract

        • Ryan S.

          I’m almost positive that’s a mistake. I remember hearing a shitload about that when he opted out, and that’s one of the reason A-Rod signed for 10 years with us instead of 8 (he basically gave the Yankees 2 years for “free” because he opted out and screwed them out of that Ranger money).

          Maybe I’m completely wrong here, but that’s what I remember reading.

        • Ed

          A-Rod’s old deal had some salary deferred. The salary was scheduled to be earned during his years in Texas, so it’s just Texas paying off the remainder of the money they owed him from 2002-2003 or so.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        It was actually 46M, but who’s counting?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          You fail at math.

          Base Salary: $28M
          Portion of Signing Bonus: $1M
          HR 755 bonus: $6M
          HR 762 bonus: $6M
          HR 763 bonus: $6M

          My slide rule says that adds up to … $47M.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            My projection was that he’d hit those three milestones in 2014, not 2013.

            2014 Base Salary: $25M
            2014 Portion of Signing Bonus: $3M
            HR 755 bonus: $6M
            HR 762 bonus: $6M
            HR 763 bonus: $6M

            My slide rule says that adds up to … $46M.

            PWNED.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              You’re right, 2014 is more likely. If he was to finish 2013 at exactly 763 homers, he’ll need to avg 42 homers a year to get there. He could do it, but it’s unlikely.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                He probably won’t get all three in one year… you either have to slow his pace down or speed it up in order for all three to be together. I was probably cooking the books a bit to see the one year worst case/best case scenario.

                Still, though, that’s nuts. Considering that, with Alex’s pace, 714 is also close to those three, it’s a near certainty (barring injury) that all four of those numbers (714, 755, 762, and 763) look to be somewhere in 2013 and 2014… he’s probably pulling in 81 MILLION DOLLARS in those two years.

                28M + 25M in base salary for 2013/2014
                1M + 3M in signing bonus for 2013/2014
                6M + 6M + 6M + 6M for the last four homerun milestones
                =
                81M in two years.

                Great googily moogily.

          • kunaldo

            ah, missed that $1M signing bonus myself…good eyes sir

        • Ryan S.

          Well, you’re counting.

          Oh wait, that’s something else.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Watching Justin Upton swing sure is gorgeous.

    • GG

      I love it, Alexi Ramirez is similar love him too, but he wont hit the market for like five years huh

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Alexei Ramirez kinda sucks. He has no idea what it means to have discipline at the plate – as evident by his 0.27 IsoD and .030 BB/K; he sucks at getting on base (.317 OBP); and he’s a below-average defender at second base, short stop and third base.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          The fact that he (and Ellsbury for that matter) finished ahead of Mike Aviles in AL ROY voting this year was criminal.

          If the “Cuban Missile” can learn some discipline, he’ll be a force. But if he keeps up a 27 IsoD….not so much.

        • GG

          Alexi got off to a tough start, look for that guy to do big things

          • whozat

            A lack of plate discipline is not a “tough start”

            If he improves his D to league average or better at any one position, he’ll be a worthy bench bat. Still better than me, but I doubt he’ll do “big things”

      • 27 this year

        plus no one knows his true age, it could be anything.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Alexei Ramirez = Benjamin Button

    • Sam

      http://arizona.diamondbacks.ml.....8;c_id=ari

      That was probably 470 ft. You could see the the athleticism just running the bases

      • Greg G.

        Good heavens, that was some shot!

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
          • Greg G.

            Ack! An intrathread link! I think you just disrupted the space-time continuum.

            (and don’t you dare reply to this with the same link!) :-)

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Jerry: Where are you?
              Kramer: I’m at… First and First! I must be at the nexus of the universe!

    • Ryan S.

      That boy is going to make a fine Yankee one day.

  • Scallion

    The killer, the data that put the Babe ahead of anyone, now and forever, is that if the Babe had hit below the Mendoza line, lifetime, he’d still be in the Hall, as a pitcher. Unless you feel that going 94-46 with a 2.28 ERA is just so much popcorn.

    • ‘The’ Steve

      Yeah, but Barry Bonds used anti narcolepsy drugs that made the game appear to be in slow motion. So he’s better.

  • Conan the Barack O’Brian

    Wonder what got Homer Bailey out of whack.
    Oh, maybe it was pitching like this: http://i.cnn.net/si/multimedia.....bailey.jpg

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Wow, I used to fucking hate playing against Hideo Nomo in video games back then; games would take years to finish because of his damn windup.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Ugh, that’s like Paul Maholm in The Show last year. Games were at least 15 minutes longer just because of his damn delivery.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Speaking of sucktastic deliveries, I hated using Chien-Ming Wang in online play. Seeing as how you have to adjust for some lag (no matter how minimal it is), his delivery out of the stretch was brutal; it was just so fast you could barely control it.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I hear ya. They slowed him down just a bit in ’08, but not much. Yovani Gallardo and Maddux were the shit. Their deliveries have a great pace and are very easy to time.

          Joba’s & Joe Blanton’s deliveries were exactly the same, even though they each had their own custom motion.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            I’m starting to debate whether to pick up MLB FOM. I mean, The Show is going to come out just a few weeks after the fact, and I’m damn sure going to be playing the latter predominantly.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              I’m definitely going to get it, just to check it out. I suspect I’ll get bored of it by time The Show comes out.

              It’s going to be the first release, so there will be a bunch of kinks they have to work out for next year.

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                I hate still having a PS2 and being too cheap to spring for a 360 or PS3. Maybe after Operation Buy a New Computer is done.

              • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                I wonder how people are going to purchase it, though. Do delivery men go all the way down to our mothers’ basements?

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Do delivery men go all the way down to our mothers’ basements?

                  No, but I do.

                  ZING!

                • Mike Pop

                  In the words of many:

                  I enjoyed this post.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          I simulate through–or just do the offense–every game Wang pitches. Cannot stand his windup.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Nobody happens to have an extra essay on Hubris in the book Great Gatsby….

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.
      • UWS

        Oh please. Great Gatsby is one of the great masterpieces of American literature. The least you can do to show respect is write your own essay.

        /soapbox

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Second.

          One of my favorite aspects of the book, and it won’t be clear to those who aren’t familiar with Fitzgerald’s upbringing, is how disdainful he is of his own roots. It’s a bit more evident in his first novel, This Side of Paradise, which is a bit more autobiographical. But yeah, he came from money and he certainly shows contempt for it throughout his literature.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            I wrote a short paper on “Gatsby” being a complete indictment of the self-made man.

            There was also an NYT article about a year ago–maybe more, maybe less–that discussed a class searching for their “Green Light” after reading Gatsby…interpretation fail.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

              That tends to happen frequently with Gatsby. One of my college classes spent an entire class period, and then some the next period, discussing only the eyes of Dr. T.J. Eckleburg. Seriously? I wanted to bang my head against my desk.

              Instead, I opened another book, Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut. Changed my literature-loving life. So I guess plenty good came from that inane discussion.

              • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

                hahahahahahahha thats my teachers favorite book, he had my school change the curriculum to add that book.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  Have you read it yet?

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Okay this is gonna sound weird but SH5 is one of the books that helped shape who I am today. A friend of my sister’s gave me all his Vonnegut books. I read them all in about a month.

                I read SH5, Gatsby, Ragtime(severely underrated book), and In Cold Blood all in my 11th grade English class and they all pretty much changed my life.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  I’m trying to spread out my Vonnegut so I’ll always have one to read. He’s easily my favorite author.

                  Ragtime is underrated for certain. I didn’t pick that one up until this past summer. Coalhouse Walker is a badass.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  I want to name my first born son Coalhouse Walker. It is the best name. Ever.

              • Ryan S.

                Heeeeeeeeeey now we’re talking. Slaughterhouse 5 is a great book. I remember reading that and Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas during the same summer and finally started to enjoy reading then.

                • Andy In Sunny Daytona

                  I loved him in “Back To School”

        • Ryan S.

          The Great Gatsby is incredibly well written … but also pretty god damn boring. I can understand the desire to not write 10 pages of forced blahblahblah. The only thing I got from that book is that God doesn’t care about you. That’s the moral of that story for me.

        • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

          I am writing my own essay and I just studied 8 hours for my midterms next week, not really in a writing mood.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Oh, dude, great book, and not just because it’s a classic. Tender is the Night is a bit better, though, as far as Fitzgerald goes.

      • UWS

        Oooh, a fellow Fitzgerald fan. How YOU doin’?

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          I’m such a junkie. I got three Fitz books this Christmas.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Love me some Fitzgerald and Hemingway. Never liked Joyce, but I loved the stories of the three of them in Paris, particularly Joyce and Hemingway. Joyce, little Irish dude, would get into spats with people far more imposing than him, and Hemingway would have to come in as the muscle. Hilarious.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            I love all three of them.

            Another great guy if you can find his stuff (some of it is out of print, I believe): Alan Sillitoe.

            Ford Madox Ford is pretty kickass, too. D.H Lawrence also brings the srs pwn.

          • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

            We read “white Elephants like hills” yesturday, confused the fuck out of me considering it was completely up to interpretation.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              “Hills Like White Elephants” is a great story.

              • Ryan S.

                What’s so great about it?

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  To me, it’s quintessential Hemingway: saying everything while saying nothing.

                • Ryan S.

                  Gotcha. I’m more of a John Steinbeck / Hubert Selby Jr. kinda guy myself.

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  Never read any Selby. Steinbeck is cool, though.

                  I got really into Brit Lit last semester due to requirements I needed but I loved it all–except the Medieval stuff. Ugh, Chaucer as it was written = hard X 53213

                • Ryan S.

                  Selby is a brutal writer, his novels are extremely grim.

                  He wrote Requiem for a Dream – perhaps you’ve seen the movie?

                  Last Exit to Brooklyn and The Room are also noteworthy things he’s written.

                  Fuck Chaucer, not my cup of tea at all. I try to keep as broad a reading horizon as possible, so I always actually read whatever books I was told to read in English. So I like stuff like Homer or Ovid because of that, but the last 4 years or so I’ve been into more contemporary shit like Palahniuk.

              • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

                haha whoops. At first I thought they were talking about marriage, the I thought it was about sex but I guess it was really about abortion.

                • Ryan S.

                  Yup. That’s what the dude is talking about when he’s saying the operation (or whatever he calls it) is “just letting the air in”.

            • Ryan S.

              Can I spoil it for ya? Its about abortions.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I don’t want to ruin the ending for you, but, um, Jesus dies at the end of “Passion of the Christ”.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I got “Tender is the Night,” “Love of the Last Tycoon,” and “The Beautiful and Damned” for Christmas.

        Last year, I got “This Side of Paradise” and “the Complete Short Stories.”

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Well, it’s one of my absolute favorite books. i don’t have a paper on that theme exactly but I can give you examples to use.

      Use the fact that George–despite his utter lack of self-confidence–does what he does at the end of the book (no spoiler tags here) as an act of hubris–retribution after an act of extreme pride.

      Definitely use Tom punching Myrtle in the face when she’s screaming “Daisy” all over the place.

      Also, Gatsby’s act of becoming Gatsby could be seen as an act of hubris as well. He’s incredibly prideful, to a fault, so he has to completely change who he is in reaction to what he was.

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

        The essay is more like the hubris of the 1920′s, my essay will probably be based on prohibition and the complete ignorance of the upper class. Its only a 4 paragraph “SAT practice prompt”

        • Ryan S.

          Than just talk about how everyone partied their ass off and got drunk as fuck during the hedonistic parties that Gatsby threw.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Then talk about Tom’s racism.

  • Steve H

    I was listening to Gammons on the radio today, what an assbag. Before he even got on, the cohosts were discussing the Yankees, and Michael Holley was saying that Swisher and Tex weren’t much of an upgrade over Abreu and Giambi. The co-host then pointed out the vast improvement in run prevention as well as runs created, and get this, Michael Holley was adamant, screaming, that Abreu is better than Swisher defensively. I almost fell off my chair. The crazy thing is, this idiot would be the first to say Jeter isn’t a good fielding SS because all the defensive metrics say so, but has no clue that not only is Swisher light years ahead of Abreu, but that Abreu is among the very worst fielders in baseball.

  • Matthew

    A day late and a dollar short….why wasn’t this posted today?

  • Ethan

    hey! Some readers of RAB are Devils fans too!

    • UWS

      Sadly, we are few and far between.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    What the fuck? Did the Yankees really lose the 1995 ALDS in which they were up 2-0?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Actually, I’m pretty sure there were no playoffs in 1995. There was some weird calendar snafu that eliminated the month of October that year. Same thing happened in 2004.

      It’s weird, but I don’t remember anything about those two postseasons.

      • UWS

        Seriously? Dude, that’s awesome cause that means I’m 2 years younger than I thought I was!

      • Ryan S.

        I’ll have what he’s having. Sounds good.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        It sucks that I was born in 1989, and the fact that I thought baseball was fucking boring until the 2003 regular season. I watched parts of the postseason in the 2000-2002 seasons, but I didn’t truly get into watching baseball on TV ’till 2003.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          I fell asleep during the 1996 World Series. I woke up and Torre was giving a press conference.

          Define: disappointed nine year old.

          • Mike Pop

            Lol

          • Bruno

            WOW! That sux. Lucky me I was in the bleachers for Game 6!

    • usty

      haha. That damn near broke my 13 year old brain. Jr. sliding across the plate gave me nightmares. God damned Jack McDowell.

      I remember recording Sterling’s call on a little mono tape player when they won in 96 jumping around with my friend who I always went to games with yelling that we’d never thought we’d see that happen.

      • Greg G.

        (1) I can still hear Brent Musburger calling the TV broadcast of Griffey rounding for home. Gives me fucking tremors.

        (2) Best thing about that series was Mattingly hitting .417, including a home run at the Stadium. It was like watching the younger, healthier Donnie Baseball from ten years earlier.

        (3) I’m get depressed when I hear you guys citing your youth. Makes me feel old. My teen years were spent during the “dark times” of the mid-80s/early-90s. Stump Merrill, anyone?

  • Sam

    ben sheets is going to make a fine Yankee. Just sign him

    • whozat

      Yeah, he can replace Pavano as the guy they pay to rehab from surgery.

  • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

    hey where is that guy that was fighting with peter abraham? joey? i havent seen him on here in a while

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      He comes and goes.

      • ‘The’ Steve

        Why PA gets into it with posters who are baiting him is beyond me. He doesn’t come out looking good.

        But there’s a few things about Pete I don’t get. Like why he gets so upset when Cashman and Girardi lie to him, when most other reporters and many fans understand its part of their job to lie to the press at times.

        • Ryan S.

          Yeah, Pete has a bit of an ego. Its kind of sad. I read LoHud all the time, and think he’s great and all, but c’mon … his personality shows up way too much in his work.

          • ‘The’ Steve

            Yeah. I’m not sure its ego as much as doe eyed inexperience or just being unrealistic. I think he’s genuinely a good guy, and the personality stuff can be good at times, it makes LoHud a less dry, more fun read. But it goes way too far at times. Anytime he has to post about himself (“I will never believe Cashman again”) he’s completely screwed the pooch.

            • Ryan S.

              Yeah … I totally loved him for the longest time and thought he was the man until he started getting too personal. He tries to defend himself way too much, that’s really the issue. Cashman getting CC, AJ, and Tex – he probably views that as it hurting his credibility because he swore up and down Cash would never do that. Nobody gives a damn he was wrong, but its very annoying when he goes out of his way to explain himself. That’s just one example of him being too sensitive about how he thinks people perceive him.

            • whozat

              See, that doesn’t bother me at all. I don’t read it like a news site. I read it like a blog. He writes pieces for his paper that are professional, well-fact-checked, don’t include gut-instinct-speculation, and are never about Bruce Springsteen.

              It’s the blog of a news reporter who also writes news stories published elsewhere, not simply a place for him to crank out daily news updates. I dunno…Pete Abe’s blogging doesn’t bother me…the uninformed morons that comment there do.

              • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

                That’s fair. It’s a blog, not the NY Times.

    • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

      Pete murdered him.

  • J-Gao

    Who would you rather Jose or Bengie Molina?

    • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

      bengie

    • Steve H

      Who would we rather what?

      If it’s have as a player on the Yankees, Bengie, but I’d take Yadier over both of them.

      • Bruno

        Hell yea. Yadier’s the best catcher in the game in my opinion. Doesn’t St.L have a young catcher coming up also?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Yadier’s the best catcher in the game in my opinion.

          Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!?!? There’s nothing Mauer doesn’t do better than Yadier.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            There’s nothing Mauer doesn’t do better than anyone.

            • J-Gao

              Except hit homers and suck.

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Haha, touche.

            • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

              Nah, Jorge Posada hits for more power.

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Word. Jorge really is a great offensive catcher.

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Super catcher:

                1. Jorge’s power
                2. Mauer’s contact/eye
                3. Mauer’s defense
                4. Jose’s runner-throwing-out pwnage.

                My catcher to watch this year: Mike Napoli.

                • Bruno

                  3. Yadier’s got a CANNON and is great at blocking pitches in the dirt.

                • Bruno

                  1. Piazza’s power

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  5. Yogi’s good looks.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  6. Varitek’s awesome clutchitudiness, scraptasticality, knack for inducing no-hitters, preference to fight with his mask on, and ability to color-coordinate his catching gear with patriotic American holidays.

          • Bruno

            Is Mauer’s D really that good? If so I’ll concede, if not I stand by my opinion.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Call me when Yadier starts OBP’ing north of .360…

              I’ll wait.

              • Bruno

                I’ll take .359 and his D.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Yadier Molina, OBP
                  2004 – .329
                  2005 – .295
                  2006 – .274
                  2007 – .340
                  2008 – .349

                  He’s never sniffed .359. Try again.

                  For comparison:

                  2004 – .369
                  2005 – .372
                  2006 – .429
                  2007 – .382
                  2008 – .413

                  Seeing as how Joe Mauer is a legit gold-glove catcher, Yadier Molina would have to be the greatest defensive catcher in the history not only of baseball but also of cricket, rugby, lacrosse, and jai alai to match that offensive output.

                  You’re wrong.

                • Ryan S.

                  Wait wait wait … are we having a Yadier Molina vs Joe Mauer argument?

                  Seriously?

                • Mike Pop

                  At least make it Brian McCann or another top catcher to go along with Mauer.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I can’t really believe it myself.

                  It’s like having a Willy Aybar vs. Evan Longoria argument.

                • Bruno

                  TSJC, I concede. I wasn’t saying that Yadier OPS’d .359, that was just a wise-ass response to: Call me when Yadier starts OBP’ing north of .360…

                  Ryan S., I didn’t mean for it to be Yadier vs Mauer. Was just saying I’d take .359 OPS with Yadier’s D.

                • Ryan S.

                  I’m going to assume you meant a .359 OBP

                  and yes, that wouldn’t be too bad at all, that theoretical catcher we’re speaking about.

                  I’d rather go with a real life Joe Mauer though.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Yeah, to be sure we’re all talking about the same thing, I was talking about OBP, on base percentage, not OPS.

                  Mauer is on base, for his career, 39.9% of the time. Yadier Molina is on base 31.6 percent of the time.

                  There’s almost no amount of defensive advantage Yadier Molina can have to equal that offensive discrepancy, unless Yadier Molina suddenly grows an arm 120 feet long capable of touching second base from home plate.

                • Bruno

                  Yea meant OBP. OPS = Typo.

  • ‘The’ Steve

    Everyone see the Levine video PA posted?

    Yank take on the ‘spending spree’, stadium financing and other stuff.

    • ‘The’ Steve

      Dum dum post the link, dum dum.

      http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=988244563

    • Ryan S.

      I cannot take that man seriously with his hair. He was born to be a clown, not the president of the freaking Yankees.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        From a conversation between Mike and me, during the CC/A.J. presser:

        me: found it
        1:05 PM randy levine looks like a clown

        • Ryan S.

          LULZ…. I wish I had photoshop skills, I would love to see Levine in white makeup with a big red nose. No wig necessary.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Heh, here is the audio clip of Peter Gammons being butt-hurt over the Mark Teixeira signing (per MLBTR): http://audio.weei.com/m/audio/.....pageid=967

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Wow, it’s amazing how this guy is just a fan with a national soapbox; fuckin’ aye.

      • Mike Pop

        Thats so ridiculous, he says A-Rod doesnt care about any communication and he mentions the crazy “testiness”. Okay Peter……

        • Mike Pop

          Are Penny and Burnett really the same guy Peter? I thought Burnett is a wayyy better pitcher then Penny.

          • Steve H

            Yeah, when’s that last time Penny pitched in the AL East? And led the league in K’s? Gammons’ Sox love completely clouds anything else he does. It’s too bad too, because he can get plenty of info and has contacts all over the game, but can’t overcome his mancrush on Theo to be even close to impartial.

            • Ryan S.

              That about sums it up.

            • Mike Pop

              Theo got shot 9 times and lived to not talk about it but he lived in order to become the greatest GM EVA!!!

    • BigBlueAL

      BTW, you talked about the Yankees losin in 1995, still to this day that Game 5 loss hurts me more than any Yankees loss since, includin Game 7 in 01 and all the losses vs Boston in 04.

      As a 15 yo it was the first time ever seeing the Yanks in the playoffs, and that entire series for me was amazing. Ill admit, I cried when the Yankees lost Game 5. Havent ever cried after a loss since.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    “Yesterday marked the 89th anniversary of the Yanks’ acquisition of George Herman “Babe” Ruth from the Red Sox, perhaps the single biggest player transaction in baseball history.”

    I beg to differ. I direct your attention to the June 2. 1986 entry on the following page:

    http://www.baseball-reference......html#TRANS

    That cannot be topped.

    • A.D.

      this made me burst out laughing.

      On Ruth the 150K is ~1.3M in today’s dollars. Imagine buying the best player in the game for that now. Hell just think about purchasing a good prospects contract for that now.

  • A.D.

    Gammons believes the Red Sox would sign Jason Varitek if he offered his services for $2MM. Gammons still believes the Red Sox would prefer to take the draft picks and trade for a different catcher.

    Awesome that the Sox rather have 2 picks than the captain at 2M

    Better yet if no Sox where does Tek go, who’s going to give up money & a pick for him

    • Bruno

      Better yet if no Sox where does Tek go, who’s going to give up money & a pick for him

      Now that Bavasi is gone, no one.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Theo’s probably on the phone with Selig trying to warm him up to the idea of just giving the Sox a sandwich pick when Tek signs with the Chiba Lotte Marines.

      • Mike Pop

        He has to go back to Boston. Boras just killed him by having him turn down 10 mill.

        • Bruno

          If he signs for $2m, does Boras give him the other $8m? LOL

          • Mike Pop

            He should, he can afford it.

  • ‘The’ Steve

    OK, here’s a lil debate for a slow news day.

    Where do you bat Tex, in front or behind A-Rod?

    • Bruno

      A-Hole. I put the best hitter 3rd, getting him more PA’s. But Girardi’ll go Tex/A-Rod.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      Behind. You get your best hitter accumulating the most Plate Appearances as possible.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        High five.

        • kunaldo

          ditto

    • Ryan S.

      I bat Tex 3rd. Like Girardi (I think) said at the press conference, great hitters can hit anywhere, but A-Rod REALLY does great batting cleanup for us; I just see no reason to move him and also, Tex replaces Bobby perfectly. Plus I think A-Rod will do a better job protecting Tex than vice versa.

      • ‘The’ Steve

        Actually, as a switch hitter Tex is much better protection. It makes the opposing manager more hesitant to bring in a reliever to face Tex, so he’ll pitch to A-Rod.

        • Ryan S.

          That’s a very good point, Steve (or should I call you ‘The’?). That’s a solid reason to put Tex 4th, something that will tangibly affect the game. Hmm.

          • ‘The’ Steve

            Maybe I should drop the “The”. It started out as a joke, now its coming across as pretentious.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Stick with pretentious. It’s awesomely fun, trust me.

              • Ryan S.

                If you’re not acting pretentious on the internet, its because you’re just not smart enough.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  If you’re not acting pretentious on the internet, its because you’re just not smart enough.

                  Speaking of not being smart enough, did you know that nobody was smart enough to stop me from winning the Inaugural RAB Fantasy Football League Championship? It’s true.

                  Yes, all the RAB board regulars, like Mike, Joe, Jamal, Rafi, jsbrendog, Punk in Drublic, and SAMIAMISPORTS, all of them were far too stupid and physically insufficient in the pants department to match my incredibly large and pretentious brain and massive man-equipment which enabled me to assemble a juggernaut team that waltzed right to the title this year, as well as pleasure all of their respective wives or girlfriends all night long in my huge victory celebration/orgy. It was quite the sight to see.

                  Too bad you weren’t invited… that orgy was for champions only.

                  [ Fantasy Football Championship Bragging Rights Name Drop #25 of 1000 ]

                • Bruno

                  That was GREAT! The next 975 Fantasy Football Championship Bragging Rights Name Drops have A LOT to live up to.

    • ‘The’ Steve

      Let me throw out a few features pro and con

      -A-Rod at 3 allows you to bat three switch hitters (Tex/Posada/Swisher) which will cause nightmares for opposing managers in the late innings. Plus, if a manager uses up his best relievers, you could get to see the bottom of the bullpen sooner.

      -Tex has been more consistent, posting OPS+ 150 each of the past two seasons.

      -Alex gets in trouble when he gets “too big” with his approach, trying to do too much. Hitting #3 will simplify his job and could benefit him.

      -In an up year and overall for his career, A-Rod is the better hitter. That could argue putting him in the 3 hole as much as the 4. 3 hitter by definition should get more ABs. But in an up year, Alex is the better slugger, so in that case bat him 4th.

      -Madonna might dump Alex if he doesn’t bat cleanup.

      -Both get on base at about a .380-.400 clip.

      • ‘The’ Steve

        It’s interesting how much A-Rod moved around in his first few years with the Yanks.

        2004-He batted 3rd, 4th and ended the year batting 2nd.
        2005-2nd, 5th, 4th and then 2nd again.
        2006-4th, 5th and back to 4th
        2007-4th all year
        2008-4th all year

        http://www.baseball-reference......8_bo.shtml

        Much of this depended on the lineup, Sheffield was on the team in 2004-2006. Torre also tried to get him going by batting him 2nd at times.

        • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

          Yeah, but I think a better argument is that if your hitters hit both lefties and righties (like Matsui, Jeter, A-Rod) then it doesn’t matter which side of the plate they do it from.

          • Mike Pop

            I would just bat him 3rd this year with Tex behind him.

            BTW

            Are you arguing/agreeing with yourself?

            • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

              No, that was supposed to be for Old Ranger. Clicked the wrong one, I guess.

        • Ryan S.

          This would be a more fun discussion if you included the playoffs. Surely you remember the day Torre batted him 8th.

      • http://twitter.com/OldRanger Old Ranger

        Disagree with having 3 SH in a row. I’ve always figured that having them spread out makes it harder to use your BP.
        As of now, we could go with; L-Johnny, R-DJ, SH-Tex, R-A-Rod, L-Matsui, SH-Posada, L-Cano, SH-Swisher, L-Brett…this sets up the power in the heart of the line-up.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I would prefer to see A-Rod bat third so he gets more plate appearances, but this debate is nothing but nitpicking. Both are world class hitters and will produce monster numbers no matter which order they bat.

      • Ryan S.

        Its the best debate ever, and its amazing that we as Yankee fans get to discuss it because its actually relevant. Yay for us.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          True. We could be Pirates fans trying to decide who to bat 3rd and who to bat 4th: Andy LaRoche or Ryan Doumit.

          Yeesh.

          • Mike Pop

            Or Royals, Gordon and Guillen? Ouch

            • Ryan S.

              Or whatever the hell Seattle is going to shit out.

              • Mike Pop

                Whats the deal with Jeff Clement and ??Wladimir Balentin??? They still top prospects or were they overhyped from the beginning?

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Wait, I thought only Yankee prospects were overhyped!

                  NEW YORK BASED MAINSTREAM MEDIA, YOU LIED TO ME!!!!!

      • ‘The’ Steve

        ‘Nitpicking’ is a bit harsh, I’d call it a beauty contest.

        I am surprised how many of the A-Rod guys here WANT him batting 3rd.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I think most of the ARod guys who want him batting third think so because they value the 3 hole more than the 4 hole.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I think most of the ARod guys who want him batting third think so because they value the 3 hole more than the 4 hole.

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            OK, now you’re repeating yourself.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Just saw that, dunno how that happened. I only hit the button once.

              Speaking of repeating myself…

              (nah, that would be wrong. You’d think I actually did post twice on purpose just to have a chance to name drop. I didn’t. Can’t compromise my good name…)

        • kunaldo

          really? as the other guys have said, you want your best hitters getting the most at-bats, no? obviously, the difference between the 3rd and 4th spots(ABs wise) isnt that large, but even that little difference can have an effect on a season…

          it really doesnt matter, girardi won’t stray away from the lefty-righty-switch-righty(and so on) sequence

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Actually allow me to correct myself:

        Both are world class hitters and will produce monster numbers get booed for being unclutch no matter which order they bat.

        Fixed.

        • Steve H

          Tex is a slow starter too, so he’ll get his first Bronx cheer by tax day.

          • Mike Pop

            And his first boo after his flyout in his first AB.

            • Bruno

              Bronx cheer = boo ;)

              • Mike Pop

                Ya, wow totally misread/did not think about that.

    • Chris

      Tex should bat third and A-Rod fourth. Protection is a myth that doesn’t actually matter (except when it comes to intentional walks, but that won’t make a big difference).

      The drop off from A-Rod to Tex in terms of OBP is smaller than the drop off in terms of slugging. You want your power hitter up with as many people on base ahead of him as possible. The difference in PA is insignificant (this is basically a similar situation to the pitcher batting 8th).

      • Bruno

        The difference between 3rd and 4th is about 15-20 AB’s based on Abreu and A-Rod the last few years (excluding 2008 because of A-Rod’s DL stint).

  • Mike Pop

    How could Sherman say that Tex’s first choice was Anaheim? He(Teixeira) said location and family meant so much, how could Joel say something like this?

    • A.D.

      Why wouldnt he have signed there then

  • Mike Pop

    Rocco to the Sox.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Godfuckingdammit. Now I can’t root for him.

      • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

        agreed.

    • A.D.

      Poor Pirates

    • Ryan S.

      sigh

      The one place I really didn’t want him to go.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      The worst thing for us about Rocco going to the Sox?

      That means fewer plate appearances for Jacoby Ellsbury. FUCK!

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Excuse me, he hit .353 in September of 2007; he’s all-world.

        • A.D.

          Don’t forget the .438 in the WS = greatest CF ever

          • Mike Pop

            All bloop singles over the middle infield.

            • Bruno

              BUT THEY WERE SOOOOOOOOOOOOO CLUTCH !!1!!11!

  • http://thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

    Swisher
    A-Rod
    Teixeira

    FTW

    • kunaldo

      mmmm….i like me some on base…as much as I like damon, and his ability to lengthen ABs, he shouldn’t really be a leadoff guy w/ a career OBP of .354…

      • Bruno

        with a .435 SLG you’d have him 3rd?

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          If I’m Joe Girardi, this is my lineup:

          1. Jeter
          2. Damon
          3. A-Rod
          4. Tex
          5. Posada
          7. Swisher
          8. Nady
          9. Cano

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Since A) batting order doesn’t matter that much anyway and B) Damon likes leading off and Jeter doesn’t like leading off…

            just keep them happy and put Damon back at #1 and Jeter back at #2.

            • Mike Pop

              Is Damon or Swish playing center?

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                In that order, I’d put Damon. He’s projected for -2, Swisher for -3. Both would provide good defense in the corners. If Nady’s out of there, though, Swisher’s in right, Damon’s in left, Brett the Jet in center.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              You’re right, it doesn’t matter all that much. But, since everyone freaks out about it…I’m just going down conventional wisdom street.

              Jeter may not like leading off but he fuckin’ rakes out of the leadoff spot. Then again, I’m sure if he hit there, his career averages would come to light–just like they would for anyone in any spot in the order.

          • Bruno

            No offense, but good thing you’re not Girardi. Who’s hitting 6?!? Damon or Swisher can’t play CF everyday and who knows if Jorge’ll be healthy enough to be a force in the 5 slot. Same goes for Matsui of course.

          • Ryan S.

            You’d take Nady over Matsui? C’mon, give Hideki at least a little love.

            • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

              HOLY CRAP I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT HIM! But say that’s the lineup vs LHP. Versus RHP, put Matsui in. My bad, yo.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Wait…


                1. Jeter
                2. Damon
                3. A-Rod
                4. Tex
                5. Posada
                6. ___________________
                7. Swisher
                8. Nady
                9. Cano

                Everyone completely missed that.

                Counting fail us.

                • Bruno

                  No I didn’t. Look at my 10:49pm comment. ;)

                • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                  Good catch.

                  Revised:

                  1. Jeter
                  2. Damon
                  3. A-Rod
                  4. Tex
                  5. Posada
                  6. Matsui
                  7. Swisher
                  8. Nady
                  9. Cano

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I take it back, Bruno. You caught it.

                  Counting fail = everybody except Bruno

                • Bruno

                  :)

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Hitting in front of ARod and Tex, I’m perfectly fine trading an inferior slugger for a superior OBP man…

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    Anyone else watching the Microsoft CES conference? Pretty cool stuff with windows 7.

    http://www.microsoft.com/press.....fault.mspx

    Live video there.

  • http://26ncounting.blogspot.com VO

    Not sure if this was mentioned or not but what do you think Sterling will call tex?

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Tex Marks the Spot.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Tex Winters
      Tex’ Message
      Deep in the heart of Texas
      Tex-Mex
      Texy’s Midnight Runners
      Gaaal Tex… time to have sex…

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Texy’s Midnight Runners. Wow. That was fantastic.

  • http://thebronxzoo.wordpress.com iYankees

    Smoltz joining the Sox, too? That’s a good signing for them…

    • Mike Pop

      I can’t believe he is leaving the Braves.

      • Bruno

        2nd that! Starter or Reliever?

        • Mike Pop

          Only way I see him in the pen is if he can’t start or Papelbon goes down.

    • Ryan S.

      Awwww fuckshit. That sucks. He’s going to actually be really good for them.

      • Mike Pop

        “Smoltz to the Rescue”
        “Latest signing puts them over the top”

        Probably something we will see in the media soon. I love Smoltz but this might be the time when I really hope he can’t pitch at all this season.

        • Ryan S.

          That’s honestly the worst part about it. All these fliers Boston is taking is going to make them look like geniuses. Its just going to be even more bullshit noise on ESPN. I really do believe Smoltz is going to do good though, and Baldelli should be useful as a part time player. Bastards.

          • Mike Pop

            Thats what Theo Einstein does though.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      They didn’t get him yet, the report just says “he’s leaning towards them.” At one point it was a foregone conclusion that Tex was going to sign with the Sox, and everyone was so sure they’d win the ALCS after that Game 5 comeback, and we all know how that worked out.

      • Bruno

        Whew! Praise be to Mo for your level-headed perspective.

      • Mike Pop

        If Mark Bowman is being truthful, they got him now.

  • Danb2117

    I think the comments about Smoltz and Baldelli show the difference between Yankees fans and Red Sox fans. Yankee fans can acknowledge when the Red Sox make a good move, but every move made by the Yankees is deemed a screw up by Red Sox fans

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      ROCCO IS A SICKIE HE SUCKS WTF SAWX FAIL AGAIN LOOSERS!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

      • Danb2117

        I knew it would happen at least once

    • Mike Pop

      Smoltz can’t pitch, even when he was healthy he was not that good of a pitcher. Might as well of signed Josh Fogg. Heh, RED SUX SUX DA BIG ONE!

      • Danb2117

        or twice

        • Bruno

          I CAN’T BELIEVE THE SOX MESSED UP WITH NOT GETTING CC!!1!!

          thrice ;)

  • Bruno
  • steve

    i love how the espn report about smoltz says they have 6 veteran pitchers. last time i checked lester is not a veteran, its what his 3rd year ?

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