Open Thread: Moving out, moving in

Fishing for names
Yanks lose out on Garcia

Oh, to be in Tom Kaminski’s chopper as he flies past Yankee Stadium. (Photo courtesy of WCBS 880 AM)

Tomorrow is moving day for the Yankees. As the AP reported earlier today, the Yanks are, after 86 seasons, packing up and heading to a new ballpark.

On Friday, all but a few Front Office departments will begin the task of setting up new offices and a new home on the north side of 161st St. Except for the clubhouse staff, IT, the ticket office and the main switchboard, the rest of the Yankee crew will be start life in New York Stadium. Everyone else will join them on Feb. 27.

Meanwhile, in Queens, Shea Stadium seems to be mostly demolished with just half of the donut left. We’re still awaiting word from the Yanks about stadium memorabilia sales. Meanwhile, some of the Shea faithful want to see the Mets sign Andy Pettitte.

Anyway, this is your open thread for the evening. You know the drill. Play nice.

Fishing for names
Yanks lose out on Garcia
  • Matthew

    The Mets offices moved in mid September and were up and running in Citi Field by the end, abrupt end, of their season.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Yup. But as you can see from Shea Stadium, the Mets had to be out by then because by now, their stadium isn’t really there anymore.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Yeah, I pass by there every day and the entire Left field section of the building is completely down. If there are roughly 6 sections to Shea Stadium, one of them is completely missing.

        The Right field stands are next, they’ve removed the cement from the upper deck.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Heh, this is from a commenter from the Andy Pettitte link that Ben posted:

    And let’s not forget Willie. That also felt wrong from the start, and it was. Him and his Torre-dk-riding “Yankee professionalism” ways. That BS doesn’t fit with the Met’s identity. K-Rod does. Manny would.

    What fucking identity?

    • Mike Pop

      K-Rod does cause he has choked the past 2 seasons, but Manny?

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Amateurism, gimmicks, etc.

      My dad went to a game at Shea last season and he said it felt like being at a minor league game.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        “What the fuck is this, Podunk?”

        -Former Mets Owner Nelson Doubleday

    • Pel

      What fucking identity?

      Being #2 in New York?

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Playing in a purple, toilet bowl-like stadium?

  • Mike Pop

    Wow, McGwire’s brother sold him out.

    • mtt

      The best part of that story is that Jay McGwire lost his eye in a BB gun accident.

      • DP

        Huh? How is that the best or even a good part of the story?

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I’m gonna go ahead and agree with DP on this one.

        • mtt

          Have you guys seen Christmas Story?

          • Mike Pop

            Haha

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            I can never make it through that movie; I just don’t see the appeal.

            • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

              It was an 80’s thing. Very suburban, family oriented, feel good movie with lots of white people in it. Typical 80’s.

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            I’ve tried to post that link 3 times, but apparently YouTube is blocked here.

            “YOU’LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT, KID!”

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve
  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=43434432275 Ace

    The Dark Knight got snubbed by the Academy for Best Picture. What a DISGRACE. Easily the best movie I’ve seen since The Departed. What a joke.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I watched TDK the other night and “Batman Begins” last night. Comparing the two is like night and day. BB is definitely a fantastic movie but it pales in comparison to TDK.

      It’s incredible how much more of a mature film the sequel is. I don’t mean because it’s more violent or more disturbing but just in terms of the story itself and the themes. If I may, BB is about the Bat while TDK is about the Man.

      • Mike Pop

        Oh my god dude, The Dark Knight….So awesome. Saw that opening night. Wish it had more Joker but obviously it couldn’t.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      I think it got snubbed because it seems that whoever the nominators of these flicks are, they seem to favor movies that the average movie goer, under the age of thirty-five, won’t go see. Honestly, unless films are your “thing”, the average 24-year-old – or 19-year-old, in my case – is not going to checkout “Slumdog Millionaire”.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        The average 19-to-24 year old would love Slumdog Millionaire. Don’t knock it ’til you see it. It’s one of the best movies of the year. That was a very deserved Oscar nod.

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          I want to see it. My mom came home and was RAVING about it.

          That, “Doubt,” and “Revolutionary Road” are on my list.

          • A.D.

            I’ve been told Revolutionary Road blows

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          Yeah, but there’s a difference between “loving” a flick and having the urge to go see it. You and I don’t factor into the group I presented because it seems you, like myself, are an avid movie fan. However, I know if I ask my non-acting buddies if they want to go check out Slumdog or “Let the Right One in”, I would get a resounding, “Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?”

          • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=43434432275 Ace

            Slumdog Millionaire is an incredible movie. I dont know why anyone would be biased enough to not see it. Is it the title? Or is it because there isnt a huge american star in it?

            I hope it wins best picture since The Dark Knight got robbed.

          • A.D.

            So basically ur saying because some movies have huge houses behind then that can pump the shit out of them and create hype… thats what the award nominations should go to

  • Mike Pop

    I know it is hard to judge but who is the best pitcher ever?

    Koufax, Ryan, Johnson?

    • Thomas

      Easily Walter Johnson. A career ERA+ of 141 with 4 years over 200, 3509 K to 1363 BB, a .599 winning percentage for crappy teams.

      Also Nolan Ryan, while a deserving HOFer, is probably the most overrated (by fans) pitcher ever.

      • Mike Pop

        Ya but Koufax during that stretch of his career was just completely dominant. I don’t know if it is fair to say “easily”.

        • Thomas

          Koufax was dominant for a short period but Johnson went for a longer period. Walter Johnson’s WHIP is 1.061 for his career with 9 years under 1. Koufax only pitched 9 full years. Koufax’s best year with ERA+ was 190, Johnson 5th best was 191.

          Also I may be wrong about this, but didn’t Koufax retire because he had a injury that was going to end his career, which sort of hurts his case.

          • Mike Pop

            {waves white flag}

          • Chris

            besides, Pedro’s best years were equal to or better than Koufax.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I would agree with the Nolan Ryan part for sure.

        When you look at it, compared to the era in which he played, the numbers Pedro Martinez put up are beyond incredible. In my opinion, his 2000 season was the best pitching season in the history of baseball.

        • teixburnathia

          I think Koufax’s 1965 season is pretty darn impressive–

          26 wins, 2.04 ERA and 382 strikeouts. Not bad.

          • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

            Pedro had a 1.74 ERA when the league ERA was 5.07. His ERA+ was 291, Koufax’s was “only” 160. His WHIP was 0.737. I’m gonna type that again. 0.737 WHIP. Koufax’s WHIP in ’65 was pretty nuts, too (0.855) but when you consider the offensive levels of the 60’s vs. the the early 21st century…

            Pedro’s K/BB: 8.875, Koufax’s: 5.380
            Pedro’s K/9: 11.8; Koufax’s: 10.24
            Pedro’s BB/9: 1.33, Koufax’s: 1.90
            Pedro’s H/9: 5.31, Koufax’s: 5.79

            I’m going Pedro. And, again, the offensive era tips the scales even more in Pedro’s favor.

            • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

              Yep, context.

            • Thomas

              And Pedro pitched half his innings in Fenway, Koufax in Dodger Stadium.

        • Mike Pop

          Ya but then again, who the hell are you?

          ;) jk

        • Thomas

          Pedro was fantastic, though his legacy will end up slightly tainted because of the end of his career. Luckily his career mark won’t be changed that much because he will end up hurt and not pitching many innings.

          It is just so ridiculous Pedro’s numbers in the AL East, during the steroid era, and in Fenway. Good lord.

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            Let me ask you something. Do you think any less of Babe Ruth because of the awful 1935 season he had with the Boston Braves?

            Pedro’s place in history is secure.

            • Thomas

              Pedro’s is future is secure. He is a HOFer. I was just saying by hanging on he is hurting his career stats. His last 3 years have been lousy and injury plagued. And his next one will be too.

              Also, Ruth had a batting ave of .181 and still had an OPS+ of 118. Crazy!

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

                Well, that’s ’cause his OBP was .359 and his SLG was .431.

    • teixburnathia

      Koufax, no questions

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        There is rarely ever “no question” in baseball and this is not one of those cases.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        As good as Kofax was, he was a 2 pitch pitcher (4 seamer/curve). That was all you needed back then. In today’s game, he would need a 3rd pitch or else he would most likely wind up in the bullpen. He dabbled with a forkball and change, so maybe he would have worked on those.

        I’m not saying he would/would not have developed another pitch, but just making a point about how much the game has changed in favor of the hitters since he pitched.

        • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=43434432275 Ace

          Disagree. Ben Sheets domiantes with 2 pitches. Fastball/curveball. Randy Johnson fastball/slider absolutely dominated for all those years. If you have 2 pitches that are ridiculous you can dominate.

          • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

            Sheets throws a changeup.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sheets

            Randy Johnson is a freak of nature. If anything, he PROVES my point, because you have to be such an unusual physical specimen to pull it off in today’s game.

    • http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/group.php?gid=43434432275 Ace

      Satchel Paige

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Oooooo Mike A, you little joke stealer you.

    “Mike A. (RAB): Kieth, I disagree with your ranking of the Yanks farm system. Their affiliates in Milwaukee and Orange County just produced CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira!

    SportsNation Keith Law: Hah. ”

    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/open-thread-klaws-farm-system-rankings-7160/

    “pat says:
    January 21st, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Klaw doesnt know what he’s talking about. Our minor league affiliates in milwaukee and anaheim (Or is it LA?) just produced cc sabathia and mark teixeira.”

    I just hope our buddy Pat gets a writers credit for that or something. If not, the Freelancer’s Union will be hearing about it.

    • Thomas

      Mike A. gave him his props in the message boards for top 100 prospects.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        20 lashes for Mike and a night in the cold, dark dungeon.

        GUILTY!

    • pat

      Hahah thanks for looking out steve. Michael you will be hearing from my attorney shortly. A lawsuit will be forthcoming

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Anytime buddy. Outrageously funny, charming and witty comedians like us have to watch out for each other.

        • steve (different one)

          don’t forget well hung and incredibly handsome.

          you were referring to all steves, i presume?

          • Steve H

            Yup

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        I gave you props right here:

        http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/klaws-top-100-prospects-7179/#comment-264394

        And remember, I own this place! Anything that’s written here is mine for the taking!!! Bwahahahaha

        • pat

          Someone left that in a comment in the open thread last night. Give them the credit, I just brought it to a greater audience.

          Thanks for that very specific shoutout, guy who authors website (jk). Anyway you guys provide me with about 18 hours of entertainment each day I’m glad I could return the favor if only for a second.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    So what’s everyone’s favorite plays?

    I like the Crucible and MacBeth.

    Also, I can’t believe it’s the NHL all star game….

    • Mike Pop

      It’s the what?

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      “Equus” is definitely one of my favorites.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

        Have you seen it with DanRad?

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

          Yeah, I thought it was a lot of needless attention. I actually think it’s done a disservice to him, he was great in the role but people all want to talk about the nudity.

          • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

            guess it’s par for the course if you’re an 18 yo sex symbol!

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      “Macbeth,” “A Raisin in the Sun,” and “Death of a Salesman.”

      Real original.

  • andrew

    1) Mussina pitched in front of that horrific defense and won 20 games without a fastball. AP did not pitch well last year…no excuses.

    some guy posted that ap pitched badly last season because of the horrible defense we had. and the above comment is a reply by another guy. a reasonable logical mets fan…….who knew?

    • whozat

      some guy posted that ap pitched badly last season because of the horrible defense we had. and the above comment is a reply by another guy. a reasonable logical mets fan…….who knew?

      Exceeeeept he’s not. The Yanks had a poor defense. Just because it bit one pitcher in the ass and not another doesn’t say much. What are their relative ground-ball tendencies? Moose had a GREAT year…Could Andy not still have had a decent one, with a league-average defense? What of Andy pitching through pain in the second half? Might that have had anything to do with his dropoff in performance?

      As an aside “no excuses” is possibly my least-favorite sports aphorism. It’s not about “making excuses” for poor performance…it’s about explaining and understanding them so that we can make a more informed prediction for the future. If a guy sucked because he was nursing an injury, and there’s reason to believe that he can avoid said injury in the future — greater depth leading to the possibility of taking off a start or two from time to time, more offseason workout time, fixing mechanics, etc — then there’s reason to believe that better results are likely to occur in the future. That’s the whole point of looking for the cause of poor results.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime
    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      I guess Mo decided it was his time.

  • A.D.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/mets-finalize-o.html

    Another big FA signed…can’t believe Cash missed out on this one….HE WINS BALLGAMES

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    Cubbies have a new owner

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/tribune-selects.html

    and apparently, the family that bought the team doesn’t get enough Vitamin C.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Nothing, huh?

      And I thought that was my line of the night. Shows you what I know.

      • Nigel Bangs

        it’s funny. just not remarkably so.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal
    • pat

      hahaha nice comment over there

  • A.D.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/mets-to-sign-fr.html

    Makes the most sense, Garcia to the Mets

    • 27 this year

      i was about to post that. I want to know whether it is a minor league deal or ML. Hopefully ML because I do not want to see the Yankees passing on a minor league deal for someone who has some possibility of being a fifth starter.

      • A.D.

        true, though he could still just favor the Mets because of the better chance of winning a job

      • Steve H

        What if Garcia, you know, preferred to go to the Mets? How do you know Cash didn’t offer him a contract? Nonsense.

        • Mike Pop

          No there is no way that could of happened. Cash just fucked up that simple.

  • http://nyfaninboston.blogspot.com/ Manimal

    The Office tonight, Michael and Dwight go spying on a comepeting paper company hahaha

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      I’m SO pumped for that.

  • Jake H

    For those people out there who network for their jobs. Do you network through your family?

    • pat

      Dude you network through EVERYBODY. Mom, dad, siblings, mailman, gas station guy, friend’s parents, errbody.

      • Jake H

        Thank you. My mom couldn’t get this concept through her head.

        • Mike Pop

          How’s she look?

        • Mike Pop

          Maybe we could understand the situation a little better if you like, ya know, posted a picture of her or something.

          • pat

            hahaha pops u silly bastard

            • Mike Pop

              I’m a silly man that I am.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      If it comes to it, I can go “hey, dad, get me a job stocking shelves.”

      However, I prefer not to go down that road. Only problem is, the medievalist industry in the US isn’t exactly, uh, spurious.

  • Januz

    I guess the El Cheapo Mets are not going after Manny, and probably not Andy or Oliver Perez. I hupe Manny and Perez stay in the NL.

    • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

      Perez walked 100 guys last year. Who cares where he goes.

      I know he killed the Yanks, but so did every other lefty last year. We have a more balanced lineup now.

      • Januz

        Oliver Perez is very inconsistant, but he looks like Cy Young against the Yankees. The game or 2 difference that the Yanks could pick up by NOT facing Perez, could be the difference between playoffs or not.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    “But one thing we know for sure is that Rocco is one classy dude. My buddy Marc Topkin of the St. Pete Times notes in his blog that Baldelli took out an ad in their paper thanking Rays fans. Hopefully they both read it.”

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/01/22/baldelli-bids-a-classy-farewell-to-the-rays/

    Oh come on, Pete. That’s not fair to pick on the Rays fan base like that.

    Plus, we all know those two can’t read.

    • Mike Pop

      Heh

  • Mike Pop
  • Drew

    Sorry to change the subject here but after reading the Mets have agreed to a deal with Garcia I am mad!! It’s a minor league deal(according to MLBTR) that is incentive laden. Why didn’t we get him? I hate losing out to the Mets in anything. Anyone else agree?

    • Mike Pop

      No because we don’t know what happened. With the Mets he has a better shot at the Rotation. I would of liked the deal but it’s not anything to get worked up about.

    • Steve H

      Are the Yankees somehow entitled to get “dibs” on all free agents? Do they all need to see if the Yankees want them first before shopping themselves to the other 31 teams? Unreal.

      • 27 this year

        29 teams.

      • Drew

        No Steve H, but when it is down to two teams, one being NYY and the other NYM, I’d like to win out. A minor league deal strictly incentive laden is exactly what we’ve wanted since he began throwing again.

        • Mike Pop

          How do you know the NYY didn’t offer him a deal like it but he simply favored the Mets? Due to the better chance t ostart there and maybe pitch better in order to get a better contract after this year.

  • pat

    Oh my mo, Space Buds a movie not about intergalactic stoners but Air Bud’s astronaut puppies.

    • Mike Pop

      That is a good idea…………..NOT!

      • pat

        surprisingly it went straight to dvd

  • Mike Pop

    Lol, Owings PH Home Run. The announcer went off.

  • ryan

    mets just got freddy

  • Mike Pop

    I can’t wait for A-Rod to send bombs right into the Restaraunt in CF, lol.

    • Mike R.

      Gives all new meaning to “Waiter! There’s a fly in my soup!”

      • Mike Pop

        hehehe

  • pat

    Holy shit WTF is up with va tech? Some grad student beheaded another student in the middle of the cafeteria with a kitchen knife, damn.

    • Mike Pop

      Jesus, that’s fucked up.

      Link?

      • Mike Pop

        Nevermind

        • pat

          yea i just saw it on teh newz

  • Shamus

    Saw poor Bobby Abreu is taking a beating today…

    I say if he’s unemployed by ST, offer him $8M as a bench role.

    Then trade Nady, Melky and a prospect for some sort of pitching depth.

    http://johnsterling.blogspot.com/2009/01/bobby-abreu-is-getting-desperate.html

    • steve (different one)

      wait, it’s ST and he’s still unemployed, and you’d give him $8M?

  • Dave

    One would have to assume that damon in left, gardner/melky in center and swisher/nady in right will be a very solid, above average outfield defense on any given day. The best combo defensively would probably be damon, melky and swish but the best offense with those three positions may very well be damon, gardner and swisher but maybe not. Unfortunately, the best offense with any of the combo above would be damon, nady and swisher but one of the worst defenses of that same combo would be nady in left, damon in center and swish in right. Its too bad that damon can no longer play center effectively.

    This is the end of the line for this outfield after this season with nady, damon and matsui all probably gone and swisher the only one left on the major league roster this year. Holliday, AJax and Swisher could make for a good defense and very good offensive production as well as long as Holliday’s numbers were not completely carved out of the coor’s stadium design. The other option would possibly be crawford, ajax and swisher but crawford has a team option left. If ajax is not ready which he probably will not be out of spring training next season, we may be looking at another partial season of whomever of gardner and melky do better this season.

  • Jim M.

    What is the status of partial season ticket plan holders transition to the new stadium? I have not heard anything.