Open Thread: That sounds freaking painful
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After the saga of this off-season, most people know the story of Mark Teixeira. I’m not sure how accurate this part is, but apparently before the 1998 draft the Red Sox circulated some rumors about Tex, saying he wouldn’t sign. They then used their ninth-round pick to snatch him. Not pleased with how the team handled matters, Teixeira opted to attend Georgia Tech.
He thrived in college, winning the Dick Howser Trophy for baseball player of the year. Strange, though, that he won the award in 2001. Teixeira didn’t play much that year. I first read about this injury in an old copy of Men’s Health which, thanks to the Internet, is archived here:
In the sixth game of the season during his junior year at Georgia Tech, Mark Teixeira’s cleat got stuck in the turf as he chased a fly ball. The broken ankle that resulted required surgery and 3 months of rest.
Actually, according to Georgia Tech’s 2001 game logs, it was the seventh game of the season. That was in February. He didn’t return until May 11, but he did it with a bang: 3 for 4 with a double and 2 RBI. He played out the rest of the season as a DH before the Texas Rangers selected him with the fifth overall pick.
Teixeira on the injury:
“My whole right leg basically lost its muscle. I couldn’t walk, I felt lethargic, I gained 10 pounds. You go from being on top of the world one minute to not knowing if you’ll ever be the same the next.”
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“I tried to keep the big picture in mind, and that was to be a big-league baseball player. So you have to mentally break through the pain, the fatigue, the frustration,” Teixeira says. “From the time I knew I had a chance to be a big leaguer as a teenager, my motto has been, ‘If someone is better than me, fine. But no one is going to outwork me.’”
According to the MH article, Tex recovered by implementing the following training regimen: “an hour of ankle-only rehab moves, 90 minutes of total-body conditioning, and batting and fielding sessions to get back into baseball shape.” Of course, it goes onto say that it took “almost two years to return to his pre-injury form.” Considering he OPS’d .995 between A+ and AA in 2002, I’d say that’s a bit of an overstatement — and that’s just one year.
You can discuss this, but you don’t have to because this is the open thread for the evening. I’m guessing you’re going to want to talk about Florida vs. Oklahoma. The Knicks are in Dallas, the Islanders are in Calgary, and the Devils have Atlanta at home.
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Just to provide some Cowboy hate for the evening.
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I’m actually rooting for Jones on that one
Pacman Jones: Dumb idiot, or Dumbest idiot?
Discuss.
I wish he would just smoke his weed and go chill with his boys in his mom’s basement.
And stop ordering people to be shot at. That might be a good idea as well.
I’m just saying…
Not sure if this was posted on the last thread – but the Astros GM said Pettitte to Astros is unlikely.
I can’t see how Pettitte could retire instead of just swallowing his pride and taking the offer. After the Yankees backed him after the PED stuff, I can’t believe a 108 million dollar man is really being so stingy about 2 million dollars..
Keep Nady and Swisher!!
Now thats what we need. Grit. It’s unfortunate that on the yankees the grit beard is banned.
Funny, I didn’t see Gammons mention any supposed rift between the Red Sox and Texiera.
“I’m not sure how accurate this part is, but apparently before the 1998 draft the Red Sox circulated some rumors about Tex, saying he wouldn’t sign. They then used their ninth-round pick to snatch him. Not pleased with how the team handled matters, Teixeira opted to attend Georgia Tech.”
Yeah, you think a hard hitting, straight shooting, full of journalistic integrity guy like Gammons would have totally broken and ridden this story till the cows came home, constantly bringing up and pointing out that the Sox all but fucked Texy by trying to artificially deflate his value to sign him to a below market deal. You’d think a juicy story like that would be so totally up Gammons alley.
That is funny. Strange and weird. I can’t think of any reason why Gammons wouldn’t totally pimp that story out. That is bizarre and inexplicable. Oh, well, probably just an oversight.
I’m getting more and more impressed by Teixeira with what I’ve learned about him since he signed with us!
Tex will be a good example for the younger guys, anyone that works that hard just has to put some of those guys to shame.
Just got over a badly broken ankle, took me almost 2 years (of course, I am a little older then he was).
It seams like we will have 4 guys that work out and keep in playing shape all the time; A-Rod, Tex, Posada and Brett, I don’t know about Nady and Swisher. Anyone know how much Jeter works out, I know he works with the weights?
Tex could be one of the better moves this team has made in a long time, he changes this line-up tremendously. Now we have two game changers (Tex, A-Rod) with the bat, one (Brett) with his legs, 4 more (CC, CMW, AJ, Joba) with their arms, plus we have our injured people back. Can’t do much better then that , can we?
yea pretty much we just added a heck of lot but only three FAs. Like you said, we added Tex, Posada, and Matsui along with a catalyst in Gardner plus rebounds from Cano and we also added Swish. ON the pitching side we added four guys we did not have last year for the entire year and in the bullpen we get the full year of the lefty Marte along with Bruney adn Albaladejo back. Our team is really revamped with only three FAs
“with a catalyst in Gardner”
It’s stuff like this that paradoxically lends credence to both the idea that the Yankees over-hype their prospects AND the idea (among some fans) that every prospect is a bust waiting to happen.
Brett Gardner is NOT a catalyst. He’s a prospect, and a kinda fringy one. He MIGHT be able to parley his speed into league-average production in CF, and I suppose if everything falls into place perfectly for him, he could even be a starter in the bigs for a while. But looking at him as some kind of future elite-leadoff-man is really just setting unrealistic expectations.
Yea, calling him a “game changer” might also be a little much at this point.
A game changer is not always a starter. You get a hit late in a game and insert Brett into the game at first base, that is a game changer. The next batter will most likely see fast balls and still a guy such as Brett can change the game with a stolen base or score on a hit.
Now…is that a game changer or not? Sometimes…..!?!
You only have to win by one run, and look at our record last year in low scoring, 1 run games. It was hideous, before Gardner got going in Aug-September. Anyone who didn’t give up watching the team (most Yankee fans did) saw him be a difference maker in at least 3-4 games with both his speed and his fielding. Girardi himself credits the Sept surge the Yanks had with Gardner as item #1.
The OPS types will never appreciate the type of player he is. Look at how many times he got on base (37) and how many runs he scored (18). His job is to score runs, not drive them in. If he keeps scoring runs half the time he is credited with being on base, he will be a very useful player and possibly a future tablesetter.
You can’t have a lineup of all chiefs, you need a few indians. We tried bludgeoning the league since 2004 and saw our biggest post season collapse in history and a string of first round exits, ending with missing the playoffs altogether last year. Time to go back to the drawing board, especially in the post-steroid era.
Damm Steve, right on Q with that!
Thanks buddy, we have to stick together since about 3/4 of this place disagrees with us on this one. That’s OK, we’ll see how this plays out. Maybe were right, maybe wrong, but I give him a shot.
Each game is an individual event with it’s own variables. pitching matchup, how well the bullpen is rested etc. I want guys that can consistently contribute to winning every game. That sounds like an obvious statement however in the age of statistics out the wazoo I believe we are often misled as to what and who helps you win every game. Defense and speed are things that are there every day. The ability to put the bat on the ball is very important, good things happen when the ball is put in play. Hitters go hot and cold, the thing is can they still contribute when they are not hitting. Can they do the little things that are not controlled by the other teams pitcher? I think Gardner is one of these players. Cano is an example of a guy that when not hitting doesn’t have a lot to offer. His defense is spotty, he doesn;t make anything happen on the basepads, he doesn’ t work counts, he can’t move runners over. When he’s hot great, when he’s not there is no contribution. There are 162 games in a year, they are all equally important. We need Gardner types.
Amen celerino!
Amen brotha. Praise be to Mo for your insight.
Herb Washington scored 29 runs in 1974 without a single plate appearance. He was not a game changer. You have to consider Gardner’s pinch running as part of his runs score, it’s shortsighted not too. I want to see Gardner get a shot, but if his obp is <.330, he’s useless, and due to his lack of power, he really needs an obp much higher to be anything of an average player. In general, stolen bases do not lead to an increase in runs, the stats back it up.
Stats are the end all to some of you guys.
Try this out; Johnny’s avg. OBP is .354…Bretts Last year in AAA was OBP .414 if we subtract 10% he still out does Johnny @ .373. Now, he may or may not post those numbers but his job (as posted above) is to get on base and score runs, @ OBP .373 I’ll take it any-day.
One thing you were right on though, stealing bases doesn’t lead to an increase in runs. It is the one stat some guys have twisted to fit.
A base is stolen in a game when leading (or losing) by five runs, 3/4 of the time the guy dies there on 2nd…no incentive to score.
Another day; bottom of the ninth nobody out speed on 1st, tie score…how many times have you seen the winning run score, one way (pitcher pays to much attention to runner…HR) or another…runner steals 2nd and two SF later they win. There are many reasons why they don’t score too. But, I have seen to many games won because of speed.
If Brett’s obp is .373, we’ve found our CF. I hope you’re right, but he’s more susceptible to MLB pitching because they have better control and command, and won’t walk Gardner as much as AAA pitchers do. If Gardner faces Daniel Cabrera all the time his OBP will be .500, but MLB pitchers will do a better job of throwing him strikes and keeping him off the bases by virtue of a walk.
Steve H, you may be right about that but, one thing I have seen over the years is; pitchers are nervous (sometimes) when pitching to a speedster. They try so hard not to walk him, they end up giving him a fat pitch or walking him anyhow. I think it will be his to prove he can play effectively at this level…we will see come ST.
“Yea, calling him a “game changer” might also be a little much at this point.”
Melky Cabrera, Jose Molina, Andruw Jones, and Jason Varitek are all technically “game changers”.
Also, stepping on your brakes is technically considered “acceleration”.
I knew we could leave it to you tsjc, to brighten our night of conflict and adversity. Thank you, it was getting a bit testy but, good…still and all, it was fun.
FWIW, I’m with you, I’m pro-giving CF to Gardner. I think we’re stacked enough at the other 8 spots in the order to gamble on Gardner’s upside, speed, and superior defense.
I admit that he has a long way to go to be a proven commodity, but it’s worth a shot.
Agree.
Agree.
One thing I’ve ment to ask (being I ‘m new to this) what does FWIW mean anyhow?
One thing I’ve ment to ask (being I ‘m new to this) what does FWIW mean anyhow?
DBHOF, is that you?
FWIW = For What It’s Worth
I don’t think anyone here is under the impression Brett is anything more then what he is…the question is; Is he as bad as some think, or is he as good as others think? The answer is in the future but, as of this day…he is the most logical choice for CF.
I have never said he is going to be a star, I have said, “he will be a good player”. If his hitting comes around, he could be our lead-off hitter for a few years, if not…what have we lost? Even if he ends up as a good fourth OF player, that is more then can be said for a lot of so called “can’t miss players”, wouldn’t you agree? I think he can help the team this year, you don’t and that’s fine. I think before we drop him off at the corner dumpster, we just may want to give him a fair chance to make the team, don’t you?
Gardner’s career minor league line is .290/.389 OBP. He scored 297 runs in 381 Games played, which over a 162 game season averages out to 126 runs scored.
Now those are minor league numbers. Will he repeat them in the majors? None knows for sure, not his critics and not his supporters. But its reasonable to expect about a 10-15% drop off for position players going from AAA to the majors. I’ll take 85% of those stats, which would be .247/.330 with 107 Runs scored out of the #9 hole.
If he scores 90-100 runs and plays a stellar CF, I’m happy.
If he gets on base 33% of the time hitting in front of damon and jeets he will be a weapon to behold.
Get on base, score runs, catch everything in CF. That’s his job.
I don’t care about his OPS or SLG, he’s a #9 hitter and possibly a future a table setter.
That is how I look at it too.
Well, I am glad someone with more gravitas then I, has spoken up. I can’t seem to get across to some.
Brett can make a difference in the way the Yankees play this year, if he can do as he always has…slow start good finish. Where ever he has played it’s the same, he has never been the star player on any of his teams. He has been the guy that make the wheels go around…just as Johnny has had the reputation, so has Brett.
I don’t remember who said it (Cash or Joe) but, “If he batted right handed he would be going North with us.” That was said in ST 2008 by one of them. So, I don’t think I am the only one out there that likes what he brings to the table.
Obviously some of us posters like his play…but we are not the ones that count, Cash/Joe do.
Now the problem is going to be…keep everyone healthy.
Those that keep criticizing Cash, may want to take a look at your post. He (Cash) didn’t all of sudden get smart, it was progression…as he was given more of the power needed to do his job, he implemented his ideas.
BUT THE RED SOX ADDED BALDELLI AND SMOLTZ, WE’RE RUINED!1!11!!111!111!!11!!!
its funny to go to redsox websites and be all like GODDAMN REDSOX TRYIN TO BUY A WORLDSERIES!!!!!!
I hope you’re kidding…. haha!
I was talking to a buddy today in school, he expected Smoltz to be ready opening day (which I think it will be about 2 months into the season for him to rehab) and he thinks that he will be a top of the line starter. I just laughed.
They put in an incentive if he’s ready to go by June 1. Which probably means they don’t think he will be
He’s slated for the end of May. He was complete toast at the end of last season; it’d be quite the comeback for him to make it back to his former dominance. He’ll take the mound for them at some point, I’m sure.
Anyone know how much Jeter works out,
He works out with the ladies quite often, if that counts.
He does push ups on bitches.
and then refuses to pay for their parking, the bastard.
haha i remember that story.
MLB 09 The show Boxart (guess what gritty player is on the cover)
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Pop out to right-center field.
But Pedroia has so much hustle that he’d be standing on thrid when the ball was caught.
I’ll just steal the CD in that case…
Its not just a “CD”. ITS BLU-RAY!
I’ll just steal the CD in that case…
Clay Buchholz, is that you?
Gammons was right, you are improving!
Dammit, I gotta see that prick everytime I open the game
I think I’ll throw out the insert and spraypaint the disc Yankee blue.
Anybody else kinda wanna see Paul Blort; Mall cop?Looks like one of the stupidest premises ever but, I dunno what it is but kevin james makes me laugh.
that movie is Kevin James looking for a paycheck
Nah I understand that. There will probably be a buttload of played out unoriginal jokes but still looks like it could have funny moments. Eh whatever.
yea right, that movie looks awesome! kevin james is hilarious. i wouldnt watch it at the movies, but im def gonna rent that one!
I saw Kevin James do a stand-up act about seven years ago. Dude’s hysterical.
I just saw Jim Gaffigan at school a few months ago. Ridiculous.
You guys gotta see Stephen Lynch. That is a funny man to watch. My favorite though..Bill Burr
My friend saw Steven Lynch at his school our freshman year. I was mad. But my sophomore year, UConn somehow landed Jon Stewart. That was badass.
Lewis Black is real good, too.
Used to like Black but I feel like he just yells to make things funny. Lynch was awesome. Would love to see Jon Stewart.
please tell me he did the hot pockets routine
Go Gators!
Screw the Gators. OU wins by default.
Is there some clause that the US anthem must be botched horribly at all major sporting events? God, this was painful.
Hey Mike. I shot you an email. Can you check it out?
Joe*
I just got home, sent a reply.
K thanks. We’ll work this out.
What a ridiculous advantage for UF having this game in Miami.
wow that kid just got sploded
What kind of NFL system could Tebow succeed in as QB? He’s got moves, guts, a strong arm … what is he missing?
I don’t think his running style would scare many NFL defenses. As a result he would have to become a much better pocket passer. He hasn’t really shown that in college simply because he doesn’t have to. College defenses are all geeked up trying to stop him from running he has wide open lanes to throw the ball. I’m not saying he couldn’t be more of a pure QB but so far in his college career he has not demonstrated it.
The old Minn. Vikings…see, Fran Tarkenton! Same type of player except bigger and a stronger arm.
I was expecting you to say Red Grange.
No-way, a little before my time but back a few years they use to have a show that played some of the clips of the greatest players.
I remember the first time I saw him as an announcer sitting in the cold press box with snow blowing all around him.
I do remember Spats Lenny Moore, I copied the way he taped his shoes (on the outside), Y.A Tittle, Johnny U, Bobby Layne even Slingin Sammy Baugh. You want to know tough, those guys were the very toughest. Most of the guys from that era had less equipment and most played both ways.
Just messin with ya.
I know…
By the way, thanks for telling me what FWIW meant. Now, I guess I’ll have to learn how to Text on the damn cell phone.
How the heck does the U still churn out NFL stars galore and championship clubs like Florida and Oklahoma can’t?
Is there a school that’s produced more stars than the U ?
The U has great talent all the time it seems like. Problem is they don’t play as a team!
Maybe USC?
Herbstriet said they’re gonna have 10 players on defense ALONE drafted.
FSU, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State………….
College football isn’t my game. But the U does seem to have the most prestigious alumni list in the NFL right now. is there anyone on their current roster worth a look in the draft?
IDK. I haven’t watched many games of the U. This might be the first year in a while that they don’t have a U player getting drafted in first round. They are very young team right now and talented too. I think there is running back by the name of Geathers. I can’t remember his first name. Suppose to be really fast with ok agility. I think he ran track in high school and for the Hurricanes. I’m just guessing here.
As a Hurricane fan, no. Miami is loaded with talent but they’re all freshmen and sophomores.
Basically, the last two years of Coker’s administration, he mailed it in and we stopped getting good recruits. Shannon has restocked the cupboard, but there’s like a good 2-3 year massive talent drop in the middle. Last year, we didn’t send any good talent to the league, this year figures to be the same, but come the 2010/2011 drafts, Miami will be back to its normal pipeline status.
KENNY PHILLIPS SON!!!!!
True, Phillips is a beast. That’s part of the natural advantage; Dade county is so stacked that you’ll always get some freakish athletes who commit to The U no matter what state the team is in, just because it’s close to home.
FSU, Texas, Penn State, Ohio State………….
Too bad all the Ohio State players are sucktastic busts.
Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the Pirates have had trade talks with the Yankees regarding outfielders Nick Swisher and Xavier Nady.
Kovacevic, however, goes on to say that there is “little cause to expect a deal involving either coming to Pittsburgh,” noting that Swisher is due $22 million over the next three years and hit just .219 last season. A Nady deal is even less likely because the Yankees will demand top young talent and the Pirates are in full rebuilding mode. It sounds like a rumor without much substance.
MLBTR
Nady for Tabata, Ohlendorf, Karsten, and McCutchen?
Don’t be ridiculous.
Tabata and Ohlie should be plenty.
Throw in Marte and you have a deal.
BTW-If anyone posted Tabata/Ohlendorf/Karstens/McCutchen for Nady+Marte last July before the trade deadline, half the people who post here would have told them they were nuts, that it would take double that, if not more. Because most of them are so paranoid about being accused of making a pro-Yank deal that they feel safer making some absurdly high package. Yet if you look at what players actually go for (Not what GMs ask for) its far less than most think. Plus, everyone looks at these things as Baseball trades, and the contracts involved are just as important as the players involved.
Don’t you think the Pirates mgmt would be alittle skittish dealing with the Yanks? They got killed by national media for taking a “light” package of prospects for nady/marte.
Pirates have nobody on their roster who’s remotely interesting OR who they’d be willing to give up. What a putrid 40 man roster. The best player in that 40 man roster hasn’t even played a pro game yet.
Why McCutchen is not considered for their rotation is beyond me.
My name is whozat, and I approve this thread.
Nady is going to Cincy for Harang. Joe wants it and Mo said it shall be done.
If that happens, I won’t be happy. I like Harang a lot but he’s going to cost over 20 million for the next two years and it blocks a spot for Hughes to come into the rotation. What’s the point of having great pitching prospects if we’re not going to use them?
I hear you….but.We can’t turn that trade down.
Yes we can. I’m okay with where the Yankees are in terms of pitching–three front line guys, one front-line-type-guy who just has an innings limit, and someone else.
I’m not exactly okay with the outfield as it is. I like that there’s a surplus, and I’d like to keep it that way the more I think of it.
I’d rather trade Nady for something that could help us in the future, since we’ll need more help then than now.
But Harang does do that. If he has a good season and Hughes does well when he pitches you can trade Harang. His contract is not THAT bad. Especially for a pitcher of his caliber. You can never have to much pitching. IF the deal was Nady plus a lesser prospect for Harang. You have to pull that trigger, no question.
IF the deal was Nady plus a lesser prospect for Harang. You have to pull that trigger, no question.
Agree 100%.
Is Hughes still a “great” pitching prospect? I think if you polled it, you’d find that most posters think of him as a quality middle of the order guy.
I still think he could be a top of the rotation guy. He’s definitely got the stuff for that and just needs a shot to work out the kinks.
Agreed, he’s still so young, he hasn’t suffered any major arm injuries, and he hasn’t lost his stuff from when he was considered a top prospect. I’m sure some of the luster wore off of Halladay when his era was over 10 at the age of 23, despite already having over 150 big league innings. Did people say about Halladay that he no longer has ace potential? Probably, and of course they were wrong.
They were VERY VERY wrong.
But posters don’t run the team do we…damn shame sometimes.
Just being sarcastic! Still can’t get the hang on smiley faces, damn.
Lol,
Is Hughes still a “great” pitching prospect?
How does a hamstring injury and a cracked rib change his potential? To quote a prolific poster on this site, he still has “ridiculous upside.”
Speaking of quoting a prolific poster on this site, did you hear that I won the Inaugural RAB Fantasy Football Championship? it’s true.
Just like my voluminous portfolio of posts, I also racked up an equally impressive array of soul-crushing defeats of my many inferior foes all season log, men who fit the definition of the word “man” only barely. Sadly, Mike, Joe, Jamal, jsbrendog, Punk in Drublic, Rafi, and SAMIAMSPORTS couldn’t quite measure up in either between the ears nor below the belt to pose much of a threat to me, so I took their title and then took their wives and girlfriends out to a victory party. That was a hell of a week.
I almost ran out of lubricant. I may be able to please all of their women longer and better than they can, but I can’t afford to chafe… that wouldn’t be the move of a Champion. Which I am.
[ Fantasy Football Championship Bragging Rights Name Drop #27 of 1000 ]
Let’s ask Anahiem.
if the good mo approves i shall follow
Tim Tebow….FAIL.
Bob Stoops FAIL. Should’ve kicked the field goal.
OU offense FAIL.
Again! but u gotta give credit to the Gators D on that play too. There was really good coverage on that play. Bad decision by Bradford.
There was very little chance of a reception on that throw and no chance to score. However, it wasn’t really Bradford’s fault on the interception. He hit the receiver and it was unrealistic to think that throw could get picked (especially, in the fashion that it was).
The receiver wasn’t going to score anyway. Yes, it was unrealistic to think that it was going to picked but the pass shouldn’t be thrown. The coverage was too great on the play. Always throw the ball in the endzone or out of bounds with that much time on the clock.
All good points. Sorry, didn’t realize what part of his jugdement you were attacking. My bad
It’s cool.
*judgment
I love 4th n goal stops.
you know what i like even more 4th and goal interceptions returned for touchdowns
Wow, Florida’s D coming up huge twice
I’m impressed.
I thought it was funny when both Florida guys wanted the ball, and then both guys get wiped.
For anybody with MLB Network tomorrow night they will be showing the 1996 World Series highlights film.
I luckily have 2 different DVD’s with this video (1996-2001 Fall Classic Collectors Edition plus the DVD set with the last 17 Yankees championship WS films!!!!), but I know alot of you guys actually were too young to remember that season (amazing at 28 yo and i feel old typing this!!) so check it out if you can!!!!
My dad brought up a good point. Why don’t we trade Nady and Swisher and sign abreu. You now your going to get a good amount of walks, .300 BA and 100RBI’s
thats what i was thinking but then i said we wouldnt get much in return for swisher, considering he hasnt played yet
His defense is way too bad at this point, and we don’t need more DH’s.
Noooooooo, we are getting younger and we value defense now. Abreu does not fit either category.
He also gives you horrendous defense. Not to mention his offense seems to be slipping and he wants a multi-year deal at over 10M per.
If your going to do all that trading (no reason to), then just sign Manny. He’s better.
You now your going to get a good amount of walks, .300 BA and 100RBI’s and the shittiest defense in the AL.
Fixed
Ya man.. With all due respect to your pop’s… Just a bad idea….lol
The Bobby Abreu ship has sailed, with good reason. We shoved it out into the ocean and then burned the docks, killed all the longshoremen, and dropped a flotilla of sea mines.
Make sure you get every detail in there.
We also stocked Bobby’s ship with intentionally misleading maps that would direct him further away from port, shot the clouds with gunpowder to bring on unfavorable rain and winds, and supplied him with a crew of gypsies paid to ignore all his requests to turn around.
Hah
The ship they put bobby on was the Kahana
Don’t forget about the sirens we hired.
And we told him that if he sailed straight forward without turning or looking back for a week, he’d reach an island made of candy.
No no, an island of hookers and blow.
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Bobby’s nickname is “El Comedulce“.
He would go nuts for an island made of candy.
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Barry Switzer and Jimmy Johnson !!!! My boys !
I got a question, why are you a Cowboys fan/how you became a cowboys fan?
I have answered this many times. When I was growing up, I was never crazy into football but my brother was a boys fan. Looked up to my brother, yada yada yada. Started following it more seriously when I grew a little older. Been a fan and just loved the Cowboys ever since. I never liked the Giants at all though for some reason, always wanted to see them lose(like the 2000 SB, I was hoping the Ravens would own that game). What bout you with the Eagles?
Quick question Pop. You say you wanted the Giants to lose the 2000 SB, but what about last year’s against the Patriots? Did you want the NY Giants to beat the undefeated NE (Boston) Patriots?
Have to admit I cheered for the Giants. For reasons beyond football, haha.. Also I wanted to see my brother-in-law tear a bit.
Like you, Football wasn’t my fav sport or I wasn’t as interested in it as Baseball and Basketball. Then when you got the fusion of black QB’s in the game and I was a BIG Donovan McNabb fan and rooted for the Eagles cuz of him and then when I got older and understand the game, I liked the Eagles more and etc. McNabb was really the guy that got me interested in not only the Eagles but football in general.
Ya. Donovan was/is awesome when healthy. I’lll admit that even though I hate the bastard. I really thought you guys were going to trade him to either the Bears or Vikings..ZOMG what would you have done? Gone with him or stayed with the iggles?
IDK.
Not really a fan of Kolb. It depends on how the Eagles doin the postseason and etc.
I wouldn’t be surprise if the Eagles win the SB and McNabb still leaves.
So who does everyone like this weekend? I’m leaning towards all the home teams right now with the exception of the Titans – still torn on that game.
Giants. everyone else I don’t give a fuck.
Honestly though, I think Carolina is SO much better than the Cards. SD won’t do shit without LT and the freezing weather in Pittsburg. Giants is a toss up, and I think Collins chokes and throws like 5 INT to Ed reed.
Reed picking off 5 passes isn’t a QB choking.
Ed Reed is good, but Ed Reed is about 25% of why those balls were intercepted and Chad Pennington is about 75% of why those balls were intercepted.
Pennington is craptastic. Most overrated player in the league.
As a Jets fan,
Who do you want as QB for the Jets in 09-10?
I was prepared to bench Chad and hand over 2008 to Kellen Clemens before the Brett opportunity arose.
I’ll go with Clemens for 2009. Might as well see what’s there.
I’d add a QB through FA or the draft, though, to compete with him. And Brett Ratliff is in the camp competition as well.
Oooh.. Im hoping the Cowboys can get Pat White sometime in the second day but I don’t think he will fall that far.
For what? Not to play QB… That won’t end well.
He did get drafted as an OF three times. Maybe he actually can throw.
No? Okay cool.
Just to be a backup. He can run the ball well, I don’t know maybe run some wildcat formations. We need better than Brad Johnson to backup as we saw this year. His numbers in college got better every year and he really is a gamechanger.
I would take Percy Harvin also.
. I like gamechangers.
I wouldn’t draft a player to run the wildcat. By the end of 2009, the wildcat will be totally schemed by defenses and utterly ineffective.
Eh, I think he can make a good QB. That is the main reason I wwould draft him if I could get him that late. He’s a gamechanger, done nothing but put up better numbers each year he was in college. Plus if you get a guy like that in that late of the draft, I feel it is a good pick-up.
Sorry, but presently Brett Favre is the most overrated player in any sport.
Two words: Dustin Pedroia
Dude just won an mvp and a gold glove. Hate to say it but hes pretty damn good.
hes pretty good but didnt deserve either award, hes not an elite player
Francisco Rodriguez says “What’s up?’
No. Favre is currently portrayed in the media as a bad quarterback, based on the end of his season. Pennington is portrayed as a good quarterback, irrespective of the end of his season.
I do not regret dumping Chad for Brett in the least, even though they made the playoffs and we didn’t. Brett may not have been the QB to lead us to the promised land. Chad most certainly was not. Good riddance.
What ya think of Mangini going to Cleveland?
Fine with me. I thought he should have been fired (not happy with our offensive/defensive playcalling), but I bear no ill will to the man. May he be successful in Cleveland. He’s not a horrid coach, just not a notably good one IMO.
You will hear all the love for Favre during the Pro-Bowl that he has no right in attending. You will hear about how great he is when he thinks about retiring.
No one will mention that Pennington isn’t at the Pro-Bowl. If he were for some reason to retire, the media wouldn’t talk about it nearly as much.
Quite simply all the media surrounding Favre right now shows how overrated he is. The media feel people should care about him, because “Favre is the greatest.” He is essentially a negative player on any team, but the media treats him as Peyton Manning. That is why he is overrated.
And yet, Brett Favre deserves to go to the ProBowl more than Chad Pennington and deserves more media attention than Chad Pennington because he’s a better quarterback than Chad Pennington.
I think it’s foolishly laughable to hear pundits say that the Jets would have had a better season by eschewing the trade and keeping Pennington. As if Thomas Jones would have been an effective runner had opposing defenses still been stacking 8 and 9 in the box against a Pennington-lead Jets offense.
Brett played like crap down the stretch, but we never would have gotten to 8-3 without him in the first place.
The Dolphins didn’t go 11-5 because of Pennington, they did it in spite of him. They asked him to do as little as possible and put the ball in the hands of Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, and trick plays.
“Quite simply all the media surrounding Favre right now shows how overrated he is. The media feel people should care about him, because “Favre is the greatest.” He is essentially a negative player on any team, but the media treats him as Peyton Manning. That is why he is overrated”
I think that about sums it up. I really have no problem with Brett Favre–aside from his inability to make a fucking decision–but it’s the media attention that he gets that pisses me off and makes me dislike him.
Pennington had a better QB rating, more yards on fewer attempts, a better completion percentage, a better TD-INT ratio, and a better YPA. Favre had more TD (with many more INT).
This was all while Favre had, in my opinion, a better RB, better WRs, and a team that was superior the year before.
I will say Pennington’s lack of arm strength made him ineffective with the Jets and probably for many teams, but I would take him over Favre this year and next year.
QB Rating is such a horrible statistic.(thank you Steve H)
QB Rating is such a horrible statistic.(thank you Steve H)
Q.E.D.
Although, it is fun to point out to Giants fans (like Max Kellerman) who think that Eli Manning is the shiznit that Shaun Hill and Seneca Wallace both had higher QB ratings than Eli did.
It doesn’t mean shit, but it’s fun to point out…
I think SD beats Pitts
Titans beat Ravens
Panthers beat Cardinals
I ain’t gonna comment on the Giants/Eagles game.
THE U!
Yeah Mike. We’ll email back and forth. I actually just got an idea. I’ll let you know when you reply.
Yo how funny are those Sun Jet commercials.
That’s the ultimate FAIL commercial.
Have you seen the Oreo one? Manning’s vs the Williams’ sisters?
Note to Peyton and Eli: becoming pitchmen for a “lick race” is not helping your street cred.
Not that you had street cred anyway…
Hey hey hey, Peyton killed a snitch
Hey, he never said he has or hasn’t.
If Tebow enters the draft, where is he projected to be picked?
I’ve seen mocks with him in the first round… I don’t see it. Second round, probably.
Depends on what he does in the combine/pro day. He needs to show enough arm strength to convince some crazy offensive coordinator that he can turn him into a real NFL QB. If he impresses, he can sneak into the bottom of the first… but I doubt he can pull it off.
Kids got intangibles out the wazoo but as a pocket passer he leaves much to be desired.
I do like him alot, now I don’t know if he can make it in the NFL but we will see. I love his attitude and he’s just a real good guy. Does some crazy shit.
You can say all the same things about Pat White.
Or, for that matter, Vince Young.
Fuck Vince Young.
Did he steal your lunch money? Borrow your car and leave it in another city full of parking tickets?
Take your mother Dorothy Matthew out for a lovely seafood dinner and never call her again?
I just think he’s horribly overrated. And Colston should’ve won ROY over him.
And it was my sister, not my mother.
HEY! Lets leave the mothers out of this!
You play jazz flute?
I dabble.
Really, I am not prepared for this…(pulls flute out of his sleeve)
Everyone I watch that with misses this part in the movie. I find it so fucken funny, I cant believe people miss that.
Mmmmmm… little ham and eggs comin at ya, people, hope you got your griddles ready…
No wait, I’m not hearing it…….oh wait there it is
That’s baby making music.
Best movie to quote from IMO.
Dorothy MANTOOTH(not Matthews) is a saint
Yes sirrr, you are right about that.
So if not QB, where does he play? RB? TE/FB like Kiper suggests?
He’ll play QB. He wants to, someone will give him a shot. He’s got just enough athletic ability and just enough potential to have a shot (but not enough to cash in on it, IMO.
For people like Kiper who think there’s no shot he stays at QB, I have two words: Seneca Wallace.
I agree with the Seneca Wallace comparison. I think Tebow’ll be a good QB, but I could be wrong. Time will tell.
The problem with Tebow is his footwork. He has the arm but the footwork just isn’t right.
Also, much of his value in college is from his running, which will be ineffective in the NFL, where the holes are smaller and the defense will be faster and stronger than he is.
I wouldn’t draft him before the end of the third or beginning of the fourth round.
Additionally, I wouldn’t draft him early with the thought of moving him, since there will probably be better players at his future position available.
I’m not saying I’d draft him in the second round. I’m just saying, someone will take him in the second round.
Jim Drunkenmiller was the 23rd pick, if you recall. Quincy Carter was gone before 50.
Quincy Carter was gone before 50.
Not to nitpick but he was the 53rd pick.
Touche.
My mental rolodex of Cowboys draft fuckups apparently is inflation adjusted.
Ugh…Bobby Carp lol
Ugh… Anthony Spencer lol
Nah, that one still has time to work itself out. He was good in college. Plus he was injured earlier in the season. Bradie outplayed him in the defensive package he was suppose to be in but he still has a shot.
Yeah, he would have lasted until the 4th or 5th round if Jones didn’t have a hard on for him.
Jerry felt something!
Failure
I know you didn’t say that, but I was just saying I think it is dumb that someone would draft him that early. But you are right someone probably will (assuming a good combine).
Heh, I thought this thing was supposed to be a 63-63 barn-burning offensive slugfest?
14-14 defensive struggle… wierd.
People who took the over: fail.
Wonder if this will get Utah some more votes in the polls.
It reminds me of the Giants-Ravens SB. That was supposed to be a battle of the defenses.
Joba needs to shave that beard.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/1584023.....038;play=1
Damn Percy is nice..
Joba looks slightly mentally insane.
Or gritty
I-N-T-I-M-I-D-A-T-I-O-N
That’s a terribly unflattering shirt too.
Mike A. = Mr. Blackwell
On the bright side, Ortiz is looking fatter than usual as well.
It’s the offseason, he hasn’t started cycling back on yet.
They couldn’t get Youk and Joba together?
If I were on the Yankees, I’d grow that shit out all winter knowing I couldn’t have it come April.
Same here. Half the reason I rock a beard til this day is because I went to Catholic School and couldn’t have one then lol.
You rebel
Is Bradford hurting his draft stock here fellas?
Probably a little bit.
Like Tebow, I always thought it was nuckin futs that Bradford was in mocks as high as he was (top 5), he’s bound to come down.
Neither of these guys play a pro-style offense. It’s all projection and speculation of what they can be like as NFL starters. Being under center is very different than being in a shotgun spread.
Stafford is the only QB I’d touch in the first 15 picks, personally.
I’m so glad the Skins’ don’t need a QB (yet lol).
I’m so glad the
Skins’Racial Slurs don’t need a QB (yet lol).I hate the slurs!!!!
Every Cowboys-Redskins game should be called “Battle of the Stereotypes”.
Except the Redskins stereotypes aren’t true.
Heh
Bradford’s the real deal though. He is very similar to Phillip Rivers. He plays in a pro-style system.
…
Are you talking about the Oklahoma Sooners offense?
That produced Josh Heupel and Josh White?
Surely you jest. Going 4 and 5 wide 40 snaps in a row and throwing 48 times a game is not a “pro-style” system.
The run/pass ratio will always be favored in passing. Go check the Arizona Cardinals run/pass ratio. Oklahoma runs a pro style system because of the formations they used.
Those QBs you’ve mentioned aren’t nearly as talented at Bradford. It’s not even close.
Arizona is a TERRIBLE comparison. MOST teams are close to the 50/50 ratio.
Yes, it’s true that most teams are close to 50/50. Why is Arizona terrible comparison? Because they are a pro-team?
Also, Oklahoma has ran the football more than they passed.
Also, Oklahoma has ran the football more than they passed.
Yes, they did. They ran more shotgun inside draws from a four WR spread formation than you can shake a stick at.
And they ran out of the power I formation, singleback formation with the QB under center, and split back formation too.
I agree that Bradford is more accurate than many of the other spread QB’s mentioned.
But you are seriously smoking crack if you think that Oklahoma runs a “pro-style” offense or even “pro-style” formations. The formations you speak of make up about 10-15% of an NFL playbook. Oklahoma runs them 80% of the time.
This is why guys like Vince Young struggle… they’re used to analyzing simplistic college defenses by standing 7 yards deep and running the same spread formation over and over. There’s little change or variation there; they’re just reading safety depth and hot blitzers and basic crap like that.
When they get to the NFL and have to master an offense with 8-10 different sets, most of them NOT in the shotgun spread, and also have to read NFL defenses that run pass coverage from a 4-3 and run protection from a nickel, they’re out of their depth.
The reason Rivers and Manning (unlike Bradford) succeeded is significant pro-style experience (and pro-style defenses) faced in college.
The Big 12 is a gimmick conference, both offensively and defensively.
Color me skeptical.
How do you explain Joe Flacco?
Heavy doses of Willis McGahee, Ray Rice, and LeRon McClain. Flacco was kept in a cocoon all year. He’s still raw putty in Harbaugh’s hands.
But, Bradford isn’t Flacco. Flacco has a cannon.
Hahaha, I was referring to him not being in a pro-style system, yet picked up the playbook pretty well for a guy from a small school.
Troy Smith has done well in his short time in the NFL even though he is a backup.
I also think Colt Brennan is better than some think.
I guess it’s just a difference of opinion.
He is probably dropped a little, but it has been his decision making and pressing more than his actual throws.
Also, this could oddly be good for him, if he leads his team to a late game winning rally. With a good final drive, he shoot up the draft board, like Vince Young.
Ugh, stupid announcers…
“There’s doubts about Tebow’s accuracy, but when he needs to make a play, he makes it…”
That’s the same thing Shaq says about his freethrows. What about all the other times when you don’t “need” him to make a play, but it would help monumentally? Is Tebow all “Fuck naw, I don’t want to be accurate here, that would be showing off.”
STFU.
Did they just say he used to live in a leper colony? I could have sworn that’s what I heard.
Yes, you heard that.
Is there some class in journalism college that instructs broadcasters to metaphorically fellate the winning quarterback? Because they never miss a chance, do they?
Turn on MLB Network and listen to Harold Reynolds say Astros. It is coming soon
Game… Blouses.
Any chance Percy Harvin serves Chad Bradford pancakes after the game?
SAM
LOL
Tebow should just go back to school. His draft stock isn’t going to be affected by what he does next year, unlees he suffers a serious injury. Barring a major collapse in this game, he’ll have a chance at a third National Title, plus another top three Heisman finish, if not a second award. The dude’s got a chance to go down as the greatest college QB ever, if not great college player, period.
You have a point.
Why not win another title, maybe a second heisman, enter the discussion for greatest college player ever? It’s likely more acclaim than you’ll ever get during your eventual drab and non-noteworthy 7 year NFL career…
Agreed.
unless he suffers a serious injury
Which is exactly why he’ll go pro.
The man lived in a leper colony.
He may be bulletproof.
Kevin Millar. That guy mashed against us with the O’s. Hope he goes to the NL
History Channel. Nostradamus 12-21-2012
We all gonna die?
Shit man, should I be scared?
Irrelevant, but does anyone remember a Jim Beam Black commercial from this year or last (’07-’08) that featured some neat effects making it look like it was from the 1800s? It features a guy rolling a barrel, some good tunes and the slogan, “The Stuff Inside Matters Most”. I’m pretty sure I saw it on some combination of YES and ESPN. If you have a link to it somewhere – well, I might just be your best friend.
-Joe