Comments on: Park replacement costs skyrocket http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/ A New York Yankees Blog Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:59:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-270380 Eric Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:18:57 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-270380 Get your facts straight? What about you? (By the way, according to Forbes, the Redskins are the most valuable, Cowboys 2nd, Yankees #1 baseball team). You didn't read the UNITY Plan too closely; its goal is 60% affordable housing, probably not doable, but a goal. Your use of the word "projects" is pejorative. As for your "free-market bias," what about the huge subsidies to the Yankees and Ratner is free market? Not even close. Free market would be if they paid for their buildings, rather than relying on massive handouts. And praising the Yankees for remaining in New York? Are you kidding? Do you think the team would be as valuable outside of New York City? Not a chance. A free-marketeer like you ought to know that. There's no comparison between a team playing eight home games a year on Sunday afternoons vs. one playing 81 home games, the majority at night. And if you're worried about the old frieze, I'm not sure how you can support tearing down the whole stadium for a new one. Get your facts straight? What about you? (By the way, according to Forbes, the Redskins are the most valuable, Cowboys 2nd, Yankees #1 baseball team).

You didn’t read the UNITY Plan too closely; its goal is 60% affordable housing, probably not doable, but a goal. Your use of the word “projects” is pejorative.

As for your “free-market bias,” what about the huge subsidies to the Yankees and Ratner is free market? Not even close. Free market would be if they paid for their buildings, rather than relying on massive handouts.

And praising the Yankees for remaining in New York? Are you kidding? Do you think the team would be as valuable outside of New York City? Not a chance. A free-marketeer like you ought to know that. There’s no comparison between a team playing eight home games a year on Sunday afternoons vs. one playing 81 home games, the majority at night.

And if you’re worried about the old frieze, I’m not sure how you can support tearing down the whole stadium for a new one.

]]> By: Januz http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269896 Januz Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:50:56 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269896 I know that I am the number one cheerleader on this board for the New Yankee Stadium, and my pro-Yankee/free market bias is not exactly well hidden. That said, I have to say that this new argument that the Yankees have been bad neighbors for 80 years is disgusting (I would expect that from Lupica (Even Gammons does not go that far)). First off, what is overlooked, is they stayed , instead of moving to Jersey (Unlike the Giants). Perhaps critics would have enjoyed the Yankee PROJECTS (Like that wonderful complex on the other side of the Macons Dam Bridge, also known as the Polo Grounds?) Next, the most valuable franchise is the Dallas Cowboys, not the Yankees (You need to get facts right). Next, when they moved to Shea for two years, the results were not good (Including stripping the frieze, and changing the dimensions of the stadium). Finally, I wonder where the Bronx would resonate throughout the other 49 States, without this team (Not to mention the loss of tax revenue and investment)? I say it would not be positive. I know that I am the number one cheerleader on this board for the New Yankee Stadium, and my pro-Yankee/free market bias is not exactly well hidden. That said, I have to say that this new argument that the Yankees have been bad neighbors for 80 years is disgusting (I would expect that from Lupica (Even Gammons does not go that far)). First off, what is overlooked, is they stayed , instead of moving to Jersey (Unlike the Giants). Perhaps critics would have enjoyed the Yankee PROJECTS (Like that wonderful complex on the other side of the Macons Dam Bridge, also known as the Polo Grounds?) Next, the most valuable franchise is the Dallas Cowboys, not the Yankees (You need to get facts right). Next, when they moved to Shea for two years, the results were not good (Including stripping the frieze, and changing the dimensions of the stadium). Finally, I wonder where the Bronx would resonate throughout the other 49 States, without this team (Not to mention the loss of tax revenue and investment)? I say it would not be positive.

]]> By: Januz http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269826 Januz Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:44:03 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269826 I read the unity plan and it consisted of 100% public housing. That was put out for propaganda purposes, not for a serious alternative. No matter what anyone thinks of Ratner, he should not be forced to turn his property into projects. I wonder if Daniel Goldstein wants his condo turned into projects (Like they did with Ebbets Field and the Polo Grounds (Come to think of it, why don't they tear down those projects and create parkland?)). I am willing to trust in Steinbrenner and Ratner to come up with a decent project, before politicians and interest groups who gave us the above mentiomed projects and mega-waste. I read the unity plan and it consisted of 100% public housing. That was put out for propaganda purposes, not for a serious alternative. No matter what anyone thinks of Ratner, he should not be forced to turn his property into projects. I wonder if Daniel Goldstein wants his condo turned into projects (Like they did with Ebbets Field and the Polo Grounds (Come to think of it, why don’t they tear down those projects and create parkland?)).
I am willing to trust in Steinbrenner and Ratner to come up with a decent project, before politicians and interest groups who gave us the above mentiomed projects and mega-waste.

]]> By: Eric http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269784 Eric Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:51:21 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269784 Januz, That's the most absurd argument I've ever heard. No alternatives? How about: a) let the Yankees keep playing in the original Yankee Stadium, where they were drawing 4 million+ a year while remaining the most valuable sports franchise in the U.S. b) let the Yankees rebuild Yankee Stadium on the same site, at their cost, while they played their home games Shea/Citi Field, as they did last time they renovated the Stadium. Why shouldn't they pay for it themselves? This argument that the new Stadium will benefit the people of the Bronx is belied by the fact that the Yankees presence in the Bronx has done nothing for the community around the Stadium for 80 years. c) the UNITY Plan (unityplan.org), a community-created alternative for developing Brooklyn's Vanderbilt Railyard (and not using eminent domain) which served as the basis for Extell Development's bid for the Yard (which was higher than Ratner's by $50 million even after Ratner was given 45 extra days to negotiate with the MTA. I'm sure we'd be happy to see the railyard platformed for an eight-acre park, too, but our ruling class would rather help the Ratners of the world than the working people of New York City. To say that folks like Joyce Hogi or DDDB are keeping parks from being created is just plain ignorant. What's keeping parks from being created is that far too much money goes to entities like the Yankees and Ratner and the Mets, with little or no return to the taxpayers. Januz,

That’s the most absurd argument I’ve ever heard.

No alternatives? How about:

a) let the Yankees keep playing in the original Yankee Stadium, where they were drawing 4 million+ a year while remaining the most valuable sports franchise in the U.S.

b) let the Yankees rebuild Yankee Stadium on the same site, at their cost, while they played their home games Shea/Citi Field, as they did last time they renovated the Stadium. Why shouldn’t they pay for it themselves? This argument that the new Stadium will benefit the people of the Bronx is belied by the fact that the Yankees presence in the Bronx has done nothing for the community around the Stadium for 80 years.

c) the UNITY Plan (unityplan.org), a community-created alternative for developing Brooklyn’s Vanderbilt Railyard (and not using eminent domain) which served as the basis for Extell Development’s bid for the Yard (which was higher than Ratner’s by $50 million even after Ratner was given 45 extra days to negotiate with the MTA.

I’m sure we’d be happy to see the railyard platformed for an eight-acre park, too, but our ruling class would rather help the Ratners of the world than the working people of New York City.

To say that folks like Joyce Hogi or DDDB are keeping parks from being created is just plain ignorant. What’s keeping parks from being created is that far too much money goes to entities like the Yankees and Ratner and the Mets, with little or no return to the taxpayers.

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269763 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:32:22 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269763 I'm like a billion percent positive that Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn would not object to a park being built in Brooklyn. I’m like a billion percent positive that Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn would not object to a park being built in Brooklyn.

]]> By: Januz http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269734 Januz Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:05:05 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269734 There is little doubt that all phases of goverment are broken. And all parties are to blame (From Bush to Congress to Albany to Bloomberg, and it has been that way for decades). Another example of total waste is the costs involved in the Brooklyn Bridge Park (A $189,000 per acre subsidy). People complain about Yankee Stadium and to a lesser degree Citi Field, but at least they are being completed (Unlike the previously mentioned projects, and many others which fell off the drawing board (Remember the BILLION DOLLAR Police Academy for Queens?)). I am tired of the Joyce Hogi's, and Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn's of this world, who complain about the Yankees, and Nets and offer no alternatives (Except the status quo) to offer to the discussion. There is so much discussion about parks, yet, there has not been a major one built in Brooklyn in a Century. Why is that? It could not have anything to do with NIMBY's Like Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn could it? There is little doubt that all phases of goverment are broken. And all parties are to blame (From Bush to Congress to Albany to Bloomberg, and it has been that way for decades). Another example of total waste is the costs involved in the Brooklyn Bridge Park (A $189,000 per acre subsidy).
People complain about Yankee Stadium and to a lesser degree Citi Field, but at least they are being completed (Unlike the previously mentioned projects, and many others which fell off the drawing board (Remember the BILLION DOLLAR Police Academy for Queens?)).
I am tired of the Joyce Hogi’s, and Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn’s of this world, who complain about the Yankees, and Nets and offer no alternatives (Except the status quo) to offer to the discussion. There is so much discussion about parks, yet, there has not been a major one built in Brooklyn in a Century. Why is that? It could not have anything to do with NIMBY’s Like Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn could it?

]]> By: tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269659 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:05:16 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269659 It's lurking in the tall grass like a mighty predator, ready to pounce on any unsuspecting gazelle at the watering hole at any moment. It’s lurking in the tall grass like a mighty predator, ready to pounce on any unsuspecting gazelle at the watering hole at any moment.

]]> By: Mike Pop http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269615 Mike Pop Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:26:52 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269615 While saving 24 mensas' from a burning building with one arm tied behind his back. While saving 24 mensas’ from a burning building with one arm tied behind his back.

]]> By: pat http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269606 pat Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:20:14 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269606 Theo would have gotte the parks done last year and at a hometown discount. Theo would have gotte the parks done last year and at a hometown discount.

]]> By: Chris http://riveraveblues.com/2009/01/park-replacement-costs-skyrocket-7367/#comment-269602 Chris Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:14:57 +0000 http://riveraveblues.com/?p=7367#comment-269602 I'd rather have the soccer field on top of the garage than underneath it. I’d rather have the soccer field on top of the garage than underneath it.

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