Yanks battling Mets for Garcia

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Via Ken Rosenthal (via MLBTR), free agent righty Freddy Garcia has narrowed down his list of suitors down to the two New York teams. Garcia wants a Major League deal because it’ll guarantee him termination pay if he’s released in Spring Training, but it’s unlikely either team would offer that. The Mets do have six open spots on their 40 man roster, so they could go the extra mile. The former Rookie of the Year runner up has thrown just 73 innings to the tune of a 5.55 ERA over the last three two years, with major should surgery mixed in for good measure. He’s nothing more than a nice lightning in a bottle guy at this point in his career, but if it’s only a minor league deal, who cares? See what happens.

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  • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

    Last two years*

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      My bad, thanks.

  • Lanny

    No downside at all here. I’d much rather have Garcia as the 6-7 starter than Igawa or Sid Ponson.

    • whozat

      If he takes a minor-league deal, sure.

      Who does one take off the 40-man? Danny Giese? He at least posted solid numbers in the bigs last year.

      Well, the Sox just traded Aardsma for something after DFAing him. The Yanks could probably make a deal to avoid having to just dump some kid.

      • TurnTwo

        yeah, actually Dan Giese is expendable.

        • Chris C.

          Right……..let’s take Dan Giese off the roster so we can bogart a roster spot for Garcia, who has been injured/stunk over the past few years. Makes great sense. That’s what winning teams do.

          Sorry, pal. Dan Giese is not expendable if it means opening up a spot for Freddy Garcia.
          Any contract Garcia gets should be a minor league one. He is past being guarenteed anything.
          The Yankees barely even want Pettitte back, so why would they give Garcia a 40 man spot?

          • jsbrendog

            i think that since whozat started with as long as he takes a minor league deal then his next point about being expendable off the 40 man was if garcia proves he can pitch in spring training. i agree geise isnt expendable right now, but if a healthy garcia throwing 90-95 and with control and movement shows up in spring training he then becomes much mroe expendble.

  • The Evil Empire

    Didn’t he win 17 games like a year ago?

  • Drew

    Why not go minor league and guarantee compensation if he’s cut. Obviously he wouldn’t be if it is a minor league deal.

  • thisisthedavid

    Doesn’t this “interest” strike you as odd when this team is backing away from Sheets for “health reasons” honestly this is all a bit wacky. Sounds like someones name is being tossed around to make the white sox or mets bite.

    • greg

      No, because they are on a budget and Sheets won’t fit into that.

    • whozat

      No…because a cheap minor league deal and a major league deal with a base salary of 7MM are VERY different. In one case, you’re paying very little to probably still have Phil Hughes be the 5th starter. In the other case…you’re paying a decent chunk of money and cutting someone from the 40-man so that Phil Hughes can be the 5th starter.

  • Justin

    Sidney Ponson part 2

    • http://www.myspace.com/bayside Thirty5Thirty6

      Wrong.

    • jsbrendog

      analogy fail

  • JeffG

    C’mon Andy get off your ass and sign… please.

    • Chris C.

      Stop sweating over the 5th spot in the rotation. Let the Yankee rookies battle it out for that rotation slot. The guy who wins will probably end up being better than Pettitte would anyway……..and for about 10-12 million dollars less!

      “Innings Eater”. I love it. Who would want a bad pitcher eating up their innings??

      • Jay CT… Ben Sheets biggest fan

        Do you EVER make a productive post? So, Pettitte wouldn’t fit nicely in this rotation? Wang and CC each 200 innings, who else comes up with 200 inning seasons? All you do is fuckin cut up on everyones posts. “Innings eater”. I love it. Andy would not put up “bad innings” in the 5th spot. The dude had a very solid first half, broke down second half on a bad elbow. He is not the Andy of old, nor does he deserve 16 million, but your arguement’s are retarded.

  • Mark B.

    Sweaty Freddy? Pass!

  • http://rsaM301522 raysam

    we sould sign sheets and manny

    • Yank Crank 20

      You should lay off the crazy pills

      • NY Yankee Fan

        I do not believe we can sign both because we are left with the ability to sign only one more Type A FA (this is what I’ve been told). Either it is Andy or one other person. If someone knows for sure, please correct me on this one, because I cannot stand reading suggestions about signing multiple Type A FAs if it cannot be done under any circumstance this year.

        • jsbrendog

          we’ve bene over this a million times. we can sign 9 N-I-N-E type a’s this yr

  • TurnTwo

    question…

    say the yankees sign Pettitte to his $12 million deal, couldnt they still bring in Garcia on a minor league deal?

    if Garcia is healthy and throwing well in Spring Training, maybe they start Joba in Scranton to throw some controlled 5 inning games so he doesnt go over his limits for the year when September rolls around?

    then when Joba is ready to join the big league squad, they can swing Garcia to long duty in the pen or even release him, or if he’s healthy, trade him in May/June.

    seems feasible, no?

    • pat

      You might as well have him throw those games for the big team. He still has alot of learning to do to become an elite pitcher in addition to the physical stuff. He’s not gonna learn very much by completely dominating guys at AAA.

      • Stryker

        i agree. i also have the same mentality about hughes, though. people are calling for him to be sent down to AAA – but to do what? if he’s got it all together, he’ll just be wasting his potential rather than harnessing it against big league hitting.

        • Stryker

          i’ve been thinking it over – in the event pettitte re-signs or the yankees sign someone else for the starting rotation, why not have hughes and joba on the same schedule and have them both pitch in the same game?

          obviously joba will be on an innings limit, but i’d say hughes can give the team more than 150 IP. so have them each on the same days rest and rotate them. when joba starts, phil relieves. when phil starts, joba relieves. it gives the bullpen a rest every 5 days and still allows both these guys to get some time in against major league hitting.

          • pat

            I hear what you’re saying but I think it’s preferable to have them both get into the routine of starting a game and getting more accustomed to flipping a batting order over a few times. Joba has proved he can handle major league hitters because he has at least three plus pitches. Right now it looks like phil only has a handle on the one pitch his curve. It is debatable if the broken rib was messsing with his fastball command which was supposed to be one of his greatest attributes. Looking back on his couple starts last year though it is pretty obvious he was no match for the big guys. A couple months in scranton fine tuning the change cutter and fb command should set him right.

      • TurnTwo

        there is a difference between the purpose of Hughes at AAA and Joba.

        Joba wouldnt go to Scranton for work, but to get work in while limiting innings for the first month or two so that when Sept rolls around, he’s fresh and has innings left to give.

        Hughes needs to work on his stuff, and get his command in the strike zone back.

        • pat

          I understand what you’re saying about the diff. between joba in scranton and phil. I like the idea of trying to limit him to a few 5 inning starts so we can have him in late september early october (hopefully).It basically just boils down to which bullpen you want to pick up the slack, scranton or nyy. I’d prefer him to be in ny pitching against ml hitters with the ml bullpen eating the few extra innings. Presumably the next guy in the rotation is cc who most of the time will be giving you 7 innings affording a little break to the pen.
          The more I think about it the more I think they’re just gonna play it by ear. If we’re winning 8-0 in the 5th inning they’ll take him out. I think if they can take a few innings off his total here and there while skipping him on off days he should be alright.

          • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

            i think there is something to be said for getting him in a consistent groove of taking the ball every 5 days in a more comfortable setting first… getting into a rhythm.

            but, i gues that is where we differ.

            im not saying he should start in Scranton no matter what, just that it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world to have it end up that way.

            • pat

              Word. As long as the end product is an unrestricted joba throwing fastballs past* the evan longorias and dustin pedroias of the world in september I don’t care how he gets there.

              *In some cases throwing the 4 seamer through the kevin youkilii and jason variteks of the world is also acceptable.

              • jsbrendog

                the kevin youkilii

                icwudt

          • pat

            * obviously 8-0 isnt the magical “remove joba from the game” point. You know what I mean though. If its a blowout or something and u have to sacrifice getting him a W to take him out early and save a few innings I think they’d do that.

    • Chris C.

      “say the yankees sign Pettitte to his $12 million deal”

      Pettitte is the Brett Favre of MLB. He’s finished, but his name just won’t go away.

      “if Garcia is healthy and throwing well in Spring Training, maybe they start Joba in Scranton to throw some controlled 5 inning games so he doesnt go over his limits for the year when September rolls around?”

      HOLY MOSES! Can you imagine the Yankees actually doing this? Sitting here today, can anyone envision a scenario where Freddy Garcia opens the season in the rotation, while Joba opens it up in Scranton?

      • TurnTwo

        i wouldnt have mentioned it if i didnt think there was a slight possibility.

  • ryan

    I just don’t wanna see this guy cruz through the minors and give us similar help pavano gave in 08 some 5+ ERA and tons of hits.

  • Okula67

    Who has more upside, Garcia or Sheets? Garcia is an overstuffed Taco Bell Gordita with more mileage on him than Ann Margret’s face. Sheets would probably take a highly incentive laden contract with a club option.

    • steve (different one)

      you’re asking a question that no one is disputing.

      of course Sheets has more upside.

      the key here is whether or not Garcia takes a minor league deal.

      apples and oranges.

      • jsbrendog

        squirrels and zebras

      • Should be working

        Bush and Obama

      • http://barackobama.com TurnTwo

        yankees and mets.

      • Okula67

        I just don’t think the good people of Scranton should be forced to watch (and feed) Garcia. For Christ sakes, someone think of the children!

  • A.D.

    Again its one of those situations, if they sign him you can’t really hate the move.

    • jsbrendog

      as long as its minor league. but watch the mets give him an ml deal.

      where oh where are victor zambrano and eric milton…why did the yankees sign them last yr again?

      • steve (different one)

        i’m not sure they ever did sign Milton to anything. they just let him rehab in Tampa.

  • D.B.H.O.F. p.k.a The Last Don

    Do I remember correctly that Garcia also had his ear drums burst on a plane (twice?!?!?!)

    Either way his medical history is frightening. ONLY way I want this guy if it is a minor league deal for minor league money. If he goes to the Mets and wins 20 games, oh well. I do not see it. No way waste a roster spot on this guy at this stage of his career.

  • http://www.supertangas.com The man with 33 fingers

    Just sign Sheets and stop the nonsense already.

    Sheets is better than any other choice or option available to the Yankees.

  • jdubz 2

    if the yankees are gunna take a chance on a pitcher with injury problems why aint it ben sheets. the guy would be an ace asking for a big contract dispite the injuries. you can get him cheap and when he does pitch hes good… u want good starts from ur injury prone pitchers when they pitch not bad whens on top of the fact that they barely ever pitch!!!! just sign sheets