Feb
12

2009 Preseason Not Top 30 Prospects

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karstens_melkyOne of the most difficult parts of putting together a prospect list of any size is sorting out the back end. There always seems to be about ten or twelve players worthy of those last three or four spots, and in the end it comes down to personal preference. Do you go with the high upside youngster with little to no professional experience, or the older and more polished player on the cusp of the big leagues despite a lower ceiling? No matter which way you go there will always be someone left on the outside looking in.

Last year I prefaced my Top 30 by profiling the five players who fell just short of making the list, but I wanted to change things up this year. Instead of posting a feature on prospects 31-35, I’m going to highlight some players that didn’t make the list this year, but could very well make it next year. One or two of these players were in that 31-35 range, but the rest are still too raw for me to seriously consider them for a Top 30 spot. If they develop and improve the weaker parts of their games in 2009, there’s a good chance all of them will make the big boy list next year.

The good stuff starts after the jump.

a_almonteAbe Almonte, CF, 19
One of the most exciting players in the system, Almonte is a freak athlete and has one of the highest ceilings in the organization. Originally a second baseman, the Yankees shifted Almonte to center field midway through the 2007 Rookie level Gulf Coast League season and he took to the position well. A true switch hitter, Almonte struggles mightily against offspeed pitches but can punish even quality fastballs. He wore down as the season went on and failed to adjust to the league’s pitchers after they adjusted to him, something experience should help correct. At this point Almonte is just a raw athlete trying to turn his physical gifts into baseball skills. He’ll again be manning center for Low-A Charleston to start the season.

Dan Brewer, RF, 21
brewerAn unheralded eighth round pick out of Bradley in 2008, nothing in Brewer’s skill set screams premium prospect. He’s a well rounded player who’s just about average in all aspects of the game, even more so offensively. At the plate he has an excellent approach and has shown the ability to spray line drives to all fields. Richmond County Bank Ballpark in Staten Island suppressed his offensive output, as he hit .381-.466-.504 on the road but just .214-.277-.350 at home. Brewer has seen time at second, short, third and the corner outfield spots in the past, so he also offers versatility. Defensively he’s best suited for the outfield corners, but he can handle all four infield spots in an emergency situation. While he doesn’t have a high ceiling, Brewer has value as a utlity player that puts together quality at-bats off the bench. He’ll likely begin the year flanking Almonte in the Low-A Charleston outfield.

deleonKelvin DeLeon, CF, 18
DeLeon received a $1.1M signing bonus as the Yanks’ prized pick up during the 2007 international signing period, although he won’t make his stateside debut until 2009 at the earliest. He’s an offense first player with his best tool being his right-handed power bat. Although he currently mans center field, DeLeon will have to slide over to a corner as his 6’2″, 180 lb frame fills out. Unlike most of the toolsy Latin American bonus babies, he’s not a great athlete and it shows in his subpar defensive skills. DeLeon also needs to work on his plate approach, as he can be prone to expanding his zone and chasing pitches off the plate. The Yankees will give DeLeon as much time as he needs to develop, and he should make his U.S. debut in Extended Spring Training followed by an assignment to the Rookie level Gulf Coast League squad.

Kyle Higashioka, C, 19
higashiokaOne of the better prep catchers available in the 2008 draft, the Yanks landed Higashioka in the seventh round and signed him to an above slot $500,000 bonus after giving him the grand tour of the Yankee Stadium. His calling card is his premium defense behind the plate, but he also offers plenty of upside offensively thanks specifically to his raw power. Higashioka rivals Frankie Cervelli as the best defensive catcher in the system, and he might have the best all-around potential of any backstop in the system. Also an excellent student, he turned down a scholarship to Berkeley to turn pro and has drawn raves for his leadership qualities. The Yankees love Higashioka’s potential and could challenge him with an assignment to Low-A Charleston to start the year. It’s more likely that he’ll start in Extended Spring Training followed by a trip to Short Season Staten Island.

obrienMikey O’Brien, RHSP, 19
An undersized righthander (listed at 5’11″, 185 lbs), O’Brien was thought to be headed to Winthrop until the Yanks reeled him in with a $200,000 signing bonus in the tenth round last year. Although he’s not a prototypical super-projectable high school pitcher, O’Brien’s strength lies in his strong command and advanced feel for pitching. He works in the low-90′s with his fastball and backs it up with a good changeup, and he’s shown the ability to spin a breaking ball. O’Brien’s upside isn’t sky high, but he could quickly develop into a mid-rotation workhorse that succeeds because of his ability to set-up and outsmart hitters rather than sheer stuff. Because he’s polished the Yankees could push him to Low-A Charleston, although an assignment to Extended Spring Training with a Short Season Staten Island chaser is more likely.

Nik Turley, LHSP, 19
turleyUnlike O’Brien, Turley is that prototypical super-projectable high school arm. One of the very last players drafted in 2008 (1,502nd overall out of 1,504 total picks) because teams figured he was heading to BYU, but the Yanks took the latest of late round gambles and bought him out of his commitment with a $125,000 signing bonus. Standing 6’7″, 195 lbs, Turley already touches the low-90′s with his fastball and has shown a feel for a breaking ball and changeup. If he is able to develop consistent mechanics while adding to his stuff as he fills out, it’s easy to envision him becoming a top notch pitching prospect. Because he’s raw, Turley will start the year in Extended Spring Training and could return to the Rookie level Gulf Coast League rather than jump up to Short Season Staten Island.

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It’s pretty crazy that five of the six players I picked out for this post will be teenagers on Opening Day. That wasn’t by design, trust me. It’s also encouraging that four of the six are position players, since the Yanks could definitely use some help in that department. While none of them were able to crack this year’s Top 30 list, there’s a good chance they will next year if they made some adjustments and continue to develop and improve their game.

Make sure you keep an eye on them this year, and definitely make sure you check back in tomorrow for the full blown Top 30.

Photo Credits: Melky Cabrera/Jeff Karstens via TheRosinBag.com, Abe Almonte via Tyrone Walker (The Post and Courier), Dan Brewer via Baby-Bombers.com, Kelvin DeLeon via Andres Montana (Associated Press), Kyle Higashioka va Flickr user quakesbaseballoc, Mikey O’Brien via Josh Meltzer (The Roanoke Times), Nik Turley via Hardvard-Westlake School

Categories : Minors
  • Spaceman.Spiff

    Wow, so young but there’s a lot to like about most of these kids.

  • A.D.

    Turley looks 13 in that picture

  • Tom Zig

    Sick picture of Karstens and Melky lol

  • pat

    De Leon looks like he could put on about 25 lbs of muscle and be an absolute beast. I also like me some nik turley. Our frickin 50th round pick was a gigantic beanpole highschool lefty who already sits low 90′s with the fb and the beginnings of a good offspeed arsenal. Me gusta. This past draft might look a little thin but in a year or two if a few of these guys step up I think it could end up looking like quite a substantial haul.

  • Arin

    “Stouffer (DC): Keith, if you had to redo your top 100 prospects list right now, are there any changes you would make?

    Keith Law: (1:08 PM ET ) I think I was too hard on Jesus Montero’s positional question. He should have been 15-20 spots higher. ”

    Thank you, Keith.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      “tommiesmithjohncarlos (RAB): Keith, if you had to redo the redo of your top 100 prospects list that you just did two minutes ago one more time, are there any more changes you would make?

      Keith Law: (1:10 PM ET ) You remember how I just moved Montero up 15-20 spots in my rankings? I gave it some thought; it’s still not high enough. Let’s just go ahead and move him right into the top 20.”
      Thank you, again, Keith Law-in-my-head.

  • http://statspeak.net dan

    I’m pretty sure that’s the last time anybody called Jeff Karstens “dynamic.”

  • Thomas

    With the title of “2009 Preseason Not Top 30 Prospects” and a picture of Melky and Karstens, I assumed this would be a post on your 30 least favorite prospects.

    • Tom Zig

      On that note, can you guys come up with a list of like maybe your 5-10 least favorite prospects? 30 would take too long and serve little purpose, but 5-10 could be fun.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Sam Militello
        Bam Bam Meulens
        Brad Halsey
        Carl Everett
        The Duncan Twins

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          WTF is wrong with Brad Halsey? What were you expecting from an 8th round pick.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            MIRACLES, DAMNIT!!!

            (Truth be told, I like all our prospects. I’ll never fault a guy for not making the majors whether he’s a 1st round pick or a 50th; it’s hard to make the show.

            That’s not really a list of 5/6 guys I hate, just guys who are frequently my whipping boys. For the record, I almost put Gerald “Ice” Williams on there even through he’s one of my favorite Yankees.

      • A.D.

        Ben Ford
        John Ford-Griffin
        Andy Morales
        Adrian Hernandez
        Randy Kiestler

  • Jacob

    That WAS a bold prediction you made on Eric Duncan last year. Bold indeed…

    • A.D.

      Yeah… yikes

    • Mike Pop

      Wow. Picked him over Adam Jones…..Ouch.

      • Reggie C.

        Don’t remember what the scouting report was on Eric Duncan coming out of high school… but you gotta wonder if that wasn’t a bad over-draft at the time.

        • Thomas

          No, he was a top high school hitter entering the draft in the mold of Josh Vitters. However, the Yankees pushed him up the system too quickly in order to showcase him, I believe.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      In Mike’s defense, he did say the prediction was both bold AND stupid…

  • A.D.

    It would be pretty sweet if DeLeon didn’t bust right away

    • dan

      that’s what she said

      • barry

        gig gig giggitty goo

  • A.D.

    So little Tex, Corban Joseph, Eduardo Sosa, and David Phelps all don’t make Mike’s top 35, despite making the O’s blog top 20.

    • Thomas

      This wasn’t a list of players 31-35. It was a list players that could make a huge leap into the top 30 prospects next year. For example Joseph could rank 31 on Mike’s list and next year move up to 26, but Almonte could rank 41 this year and jump to 13 next year.

      • A.D.

        Yeah my bad I was confusing reading this year’s and last years

        • Mike Pop

          Yea, it is your bad, A.D.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Yeah, you got mental problems, man.

            • Mike Pop

              Where’d you get those clothes……the toilet store?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Right. Texeira and Higashioka were in the 31-35 range.

  • Mike Pop

    Still think a package headed by Suttle should be traded for an impact hitter?

    • Reggie C.

      And Suttle has proven what exactly?

      • Mike Pop

        I was just asking if Mike still thinks he should be traded like he stated in the post linked.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Heh.

      One year later:
      31 – Patterson: gone
      32- Duncan: a fairly useless AAAA player (that may be generous)
      33- White: gone
      34- Vechionacci: see Duncan
      35 – Suttle: still in the mix, no doubt higher than 35

      • A.D.

        Duncan needs to hit in AAA to be considered AAAA

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    One of the very last players drafted in 2008 (1,502nd overall out of 1,504 total picks) because teams figured he was heading to BYU, but the Yanks took the latest of late round gambles and bought him out of his commitment with a $125,000 signing bonus.

    Us to the rest of the league: CashMoney, bitches. Deal with it.

    • pat

      Love when haters try and point out we’re not gonna have any picks next year bc we signed so many free agents. Even if we didn’t have the comp picks in the 1st and 2nd round we are still willing to go ridiculously overslot in any round to get what we want. As our friends in Degeneration X would say- suck it

      • TheLastClown

        Just taste the mid-late 90′s wrestling analogy…I had to jump off the bandwagon when the courts decided that conservationism was more hardcore than pro wrestling. Tongue is cheeky.

        • Mike Pop

          The Stone Cold Stunner!!!

  • Mike Pop

    Abe Almonte should be fun to follow this year. Hopefully he doesn’t dissapoint.

  • Mike Pop

    I dream of the day the Yankees have 3 young starting caliber catchers in Romine, Montero, and Higashioka.

    • Mike Pop

      Them with Ajax, Cano, Joba, Phil, Dellin, and Brackman performing well. I call it Shangri-La.

      • TheLastClown

        Brigadoon for me.

    • whozat

      Thing is, if things are going THAT well for those guys in AA/AAA…one of them will have been shipped out, probably. Especially if Montero has managed to stick behind the plate.

      • Mike Pop

        Exactly. Then we can use the depth to bring in other quality players.

      • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

        Romine projects as a better catcher, Montero is the better all around hitter (power) but, not as good defensively. What do they do? Use both of them? Do they trade one of them, if so…which one?
        Now we have Higashioka projected high also…Cash hasn’t done to bad a job, has he?
        With Montero, Romine, Cervelli and Higashioka, things are looking up. Catcher is probably the hardest (not a pitcher) position to fill with quality players.
        Texas and the Yankees got it covered well.

  • Tom Zig

    Sorry to get off topic, but SI reports that Selig has no plans to punish A-rod.

    • Mike Pop

      Next person who starts their post with “off topic but” or “sorry to get off topic” is getting pistol-whipped.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        Hey, Mike Pop, what’s that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the wall and the mozzarella sticks?

  • JC in NC

    It would have been nice to see O’Brien pitching for Winthrop this year, we haven’t had much to talk about since Kevin Slowey (now in Twins rotation)…but always good to see the Yanks bringing in solid young talent.

  • http://www.bronxbaseballdaily.com Rob Abruzzese

    Dan Brewer played mostly outfield in college and has only played outfield in the pros. So I’m not so sure that the infield is in his future. Last season I asked his manager if there was any plans of ever using him in the infield and he was surprised I would even ask such a question.

    I’m also a little bit surprised that Kyle Higashioka wasn’t in the top 30.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’m also a little bit surprised that Kyle Higashioka wasn’t in the top 30.

      It’s because we’re THAT STACKED, BABY!!!

    • K.B.D.

      He’s a defense first catcher who only has 50 ABs in the Gulf Coast League. Maybe next year, but I couldn’t see him cracking the top 20 at all and I think it’d be a stretch for the top 30.

  • Dave

    I doubt anyone is reading the last post so I am posting my comment in the new one:

    “Say what you will about Ms. Roberts’ opining during the Duke Lacrosse debacle, but this story was uncovered through some good old investigative journalism. Whether or not it needed to or should have been published is a debate I will leave up to you.”

    Ben,

    I am shocked that you are so naive about this. Usually you guys are so sharp and ready to diverge from the common media perception but this is right along the mainstream media’s stance this week. However, there is a lot of evidence around here that suggests that Selena’s methods had to have been more than ethically questionable.

    Think about this – this test was taken under a promise of anonymity from the players associations. Then, the list was confiscated by a federal warrant issued to take all PED related materials from the MLBPA. This list along with other information went to the court system where I judge sealed this information. So by a judge’s decree, the media nor anyone else was supposed to have access to this info. And then, selena somehow pops up with it and refuses to reveal her sources. One, this investigation into arod’s privacy directly resulted in the violation of a federal court order. Therefore, the poor, innocent, I was just doing my job, selena roberts could easily be subpeonad and forced to reveal her sources or face obstruction of justice/contempt of court.

    Furthermore, only government/legal people could have possibly had access to the content of this list and were breaking the law by giving selena this info. Not only that, but that were really putting themselves out on a limb by allowing selena to publish the info she received from their meetings in SI under the promise that they would remain confidential. But they likely knew if threatened with prison, selena would divulge her source.

    So what exactly was the motivation for the source? They wanted arod that badly or they just could not take the guilt anymore of knowing and not telling. Im pretty sure they got something a little more valuable back for all this as the best result for them is that no one in this world outside of selena and co ever know they were involved. So no recognition, the concept that they are likely in government somewhere and they broke the law all for advancing selena’s career. Im pretty sure there was something else in it for them.

    Finally, isnt it somewhat ironic that this whole thing completely violated arod’s privacy rights as he did take this test under the assumption that it would remain anonymous and the person who violated this along with selena are choosing to remain anonymous because they have that right. very funny that way. You say this story was clean without a thing to back it up except for roberts word to another journalist but i THINK everything points to a crime being committed to get this info and not only that but it was likely greater in severity than the actual crime the reporters were trying to uncover about arod. Sometimes, the ends certainly do not justify the means and this is IMO one of those times.

    • JC in NC

      I completely agree Dave, she is esentially in posession of stolen material and should be held accountable for her actions.

      • Mike Pop

        Two things are needed, bars of soap and pillow cases. Revenge willl be sweet.

      • K.B.D.

        “… she is essentially in possession of stolen material.” How? If she was given the information by someone who had a right to access it, in no way whatsoever is she stealing. The person who opted to give her the information is the one in the wrong here. It is their duty to not divulge that material. The fact that they gave it to her doesn’t mean she stole it.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          Wrong. If someone gives you stolen property, you are in possession of stolen property, and subject to prosecution, even you you didn’t steal it.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

            Yep. Geeze, I mean, hasn’t anyone seen Cable Guy?

            • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

              Good one!

    • kSturnz

      boob.

    • K.B.D.

      Conjecture of a crime being committed is just that: conjecture. I think you’re making a bunch of logical jumps to get the point where a crime has definitely been committed, one you call “greater in severity than the actual crime the reporters were trying to uncover”. This is all theory. Maybe the New York Times also committed a crime because they conferred with 2 of their sources? Are they guilty of this as well? Please.

      • kSturnz

        if it isn’t a crime, it is certainly immoral.

        PROSPECT TALK!!!

        • K.B.D.

          Zach McAllister is currently my favorite prospect.

          I hate hype about Dellin Betances because I believe he will eventually let us all down.

          I wish our best positional prospects, outside of A-Jax, weren’t 2-3 years away.

          • Mike Pop

            I think Z-Mac is a good candidate to be traded. Both him and IPK.

            • K.B.D.

              IPK definitely has more value and I hope he would get moved before Zach Attack.

              • Mike Pop

                Oh of course.

      • Dave

        KBD,

        These are NOT huge jumps here. These are very reasonable assumptions. I am not saying these crimes were definitely committed and selena and her source she be marched off to prison. What I am saying is that their should be enough evidence here to initiate an investigation into the legitimacy of this reporting. And I am wondering where the media is with their comments about all this. I mean everyone knows this information but it seems like most of the media are completely avoiding the fact that there seems to be a lot of questions and very few answers. If anything, that judge who issues the court-ordered sealing of those documents to prevent exactly what selena did should be VERY pissed right about now. I know I would be as this seems to be the very thing that court decision was trying to avoid.

        • K.B.D.

          What evidence is there? You’ve provided a number of theories, which I agree are plausible. But there is no such evidence. The only evidence that exists is that Selena Roberts has information which a number of other media outlets corroborate. If you seriously want to pursue her for illegal activities, you’d have to launch an investigation into major entities, like the NY Times.

    • TheLastClown

      I have a few things to say. Predominantly, if no one is reading such & such post, it usually means no one is interested in talking about said subject for the time being. The admins of this site receive separate emails for every comment posted, so posts from previous threads, which, as you said, no one is reading, are unneeded clutter. Just some thoughts on that, I noticed you posted into off-topic threads a few times before. It doesn’t bother me, but that’s their reasoning for wanting threads on topic.

      Personally, I’m pretty tired of talking about A-Rod. But that’s just me.

      Now, to actually respond to you.

      The test was indeed taken under the auspices of anonymity. It never should even have survived to the date at which the MLBPA’s records were subpoenaed. But, things being as they are, it did make it there, so the fault up to this point lies with the Players Union.

      If of course there’s any fault at all. I mean, everyone wanted to know who took what, right?

      Now, the fact that you don’t like the protection of anonymous sources doesn’t compel anyone anywhere from disbarring them from their journalistic practices. I don’t think Selena Roberts was trying to do anything to make her look “poor” or “innoncent.”
      She was compiling an expose on A-Rod, and any dirt could dig up on him would be to her profit. Obviously. It has nothing to do with her story to press for additional information.

      Now to the sources. What was their motivation? We don’t know currently, and we may never know. Maybe they had a personal vendetta against A-Rod, maybe they were compensated somehow by Mrs. Roberts. Maybe she provided sexual favors as some of our more intuitive readers have hypothesized. Again, not only do we not know, but we have no way of finding out. And that is OK.

      The reason SR quoted four sources is it spreads the possibility of any one of them being found out, around. One source may have come up with the corroborating three, maybe she contacted and sussed them all independently. Again, we can’t know, and that’s OK. I won’t get into the freedom of the press arguments, they’ve been well traversed on these boards.

      A-Rods privacy was indeed violated. So was the privacy of 103 other MLB players. But this was violated not by Selena, not by the anonymous sources, but by the MLBPA itself, who thought that by holding onto certain sensitive material rather than destroying it, they could skew the existing facts into something of an occluded conclusion; namely, that the positive tests weren’t real positives at all, or at least a significant portion of them were false.

      Finally, I don’t care whether A-Rod did roids or not. It wasn’t tested for, with specific punitive measures in place. This is a tacit acquiescence to cheating on the part of the people that sign the checks. I expect players to try & gain every competitve edge within and around the boundaries of the rules, as I don’t expect MLB players to be paragons of virtue, independent-mindedness, or intelligence.. I expect them to hit, catch, and throw baseballs for my amusement. And they’ve done this with regularity.

      • Dave

        Thelastcrown,

        I dont mind anonymous sources. I just dont like how arod was supposed to be anonymous in this test and his anonymity was violated supposedly for a greater cause and at the same time, the sources who exposed him wanted to remain anonymous. It just rubs me the wrong way.

        The players union may be partially at fault but when a warrant was placed on them and all the testing materials was supposed to be confiscated, it is impossible to blame them for not destroying the test materials. This warrant was also sprung on them and hotly contested in the courts so it is difficult to say they failed to protect their players when they were basically ambushed by the US government and everything was seized.

        And i think we could find out what went down in this investigation if this report is followed out. I think Mrs. Roberts should be called into court and forced to give up her sources. I think it is very clear that the release of this material violated a federal judges opinion and it was most likely the source but perhaps both of them that committed this crime. because a crime was committed, I dont think selena has any right to maintain her sources anonymity in a court proceeding,

        I dont know how the MLBAPA are the ONLY ones at fault for the violation of privacy. i MEAN certainly they are to blame but isnt any one connected with leaking the materials?

        I just dont think the press should get a free pass just because there is freedom of the press. There should be freedom of the press up until the point when someone elses rights are being violated and crimes are being committed to get the story. This is not acceptable to me and i hope this is followed up on.

        I also find it interesting that the media is not discussing these matters at all while spening every waking second talking about arod. They dont see that there was most definitely some crime committed by a party involved? Usually this is when the press screams that they are outraged. Wheres the outrage in this case?

        I just said selena was poor and innocent because thats how she came across in her interviews – like she could do no wrong. When she has yet to apologize for her duke lacrosse stories when she basically convicted them of the crime in the papers. That seemed morally wrong and crossing the line and now again, the same reported seems to be walking a very thin line between finding the truth and breaking the law while making sure the target of her writing suffers in the process. I also dont like people that go out of their way to make others look bad – and her book, is basically kicking arod in the face when he is already don on the ground.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Last warning. Post off-topic one more time and I’m going to be pissed.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      That’s it. Dave, stop posting off-topic on new posts. If you don’t think anyone’s reading the old threads, save it for the nightly open thread.

      • Dave

        I see the convos that go on in this blog and they are NEVER all related to the post. And you guys have a reply button to have multiple covos go on at once so there is no reason to continue a convo in a previous thread. I dont get why it matters that I start a new topic in the post even if it is based on a previous threads topic because EVERYBODY IN HERE seems to do that.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Seems to me that all but 1 (2 if you count pat’s gibberish) thread-starting comments on this thread are about prospects or the Mike’s post. You’re talking about a topic from a previous thread. Take it to that thread, or save it for the open thread.

          • pat

            The mole people understand my gibberish Joseph P. Tomorrow Joba and AJ Burnett are going to be playing catch with superprospects Jesus Montero and Austin Romine.

        • steve (different one)

          here’s the difference:

          when other people do it, they keep their posts under 2000 words.

          • Dave

            So I cant discuss anything except that specific topics thread in each thread and i HAVE TO respond to a single persons comment when i Post. It seems like the rules in here are a bit difficult to have a convo with everyone in the blog at the same time but I Guess those are the rules.

            My comments in here have been on a lot of different topics – prospects, trades, news, the team in general. I talk about whatever on here is posted and i love what the guys on here write but the commenting is unnecessarily tedious IMO.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Life’s a bitch, ain’t it?

        • Jack
        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          No, Dave, we don’t. When I have something to say that’s related to a post three or four posts ago, I go back and post it in the thread three or four posts ago, or I wait for the open thread.

          And yes, Dave, some of us do actually go back and read the posts three or four posts ago.

          When I’m posting off topic, it’s WAY off topic, like posting about the Jets. That’s a more “allowable” off topic, generally speaking, because it’s not going to come up at all in any of the posts. It’s an off topic that isn’t going to elicit a lengthy series of comments or reopen an existing debate, because it’s so far outside the bounds of the discussion that calling it “off-topic” is a misnomer; it’s not a topic at all, it’s just an aside, a diversion.

          What is annoying is when you comment about ARod in a post about prospects when there’s a post about ARod TODAY three posts ago. Some people only want to comment and read about ARod, some people only want to comment and read about prospects, some people want to do both. All of us want to confine the discussions to the organized, logical, threaded stream of commentary that Mike, Joe, and Ben have set up. We like it here because there’s an order to it and an intelligence to it. Stop undermining it.

          • Dave

            I dont understand that the rule about replying to the comment and the rule about only posting to specific threads seem to make one of them unnecessary. If I start an off-topic or diversion convo or someone else does, then everyone can hit reply to one of those posts and then, there is a whole discussion in a specific part of the thread. So it seems reasonable to have off-topic or diversion convos without disrupting the main topic. So why do I need to also go into a whole new thread and then, reply to a specific persons comment?

            The reason I hate doing this is because iT Feels like the comment I post is not only in an old thread that few people go back and look at after four new ones are above it but also, somewhere in the middle of 50 comments in an old thread. Who is ever going to see that? Whats the point of posting if Im just going to be talking to myself? I might as welll write an essay on word. I will reply to another persons comment and i will go back a thread but I am not posting my comment in a spot where no one will ever see it.

            • TheLastClown

              Mmmmmmk, dude, the second option was to wait for the nightly open thread.

              You could draw up your argument in your local word processor, save it, and copy it the second Mike, Ben or Joe start up the open thread.

              No need to worry about becoming lost in the past.

              No need to fear them not putting up an open thread. They’re pretty consistent.

              That’s all.

              • Dave

                OK, I will save them and post them in the open thread I guess. It is a change from the other sites but i guess you gotta do what works.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  Dave, I’m not asking this to be snarky: What other sites? We get dozens if not hundreds of comments on every thread. It’s not easy to keep everything in order. We don’t want the comments section to turn into a free-for-all. So we created our guidelines, and we try to be as consistent as possible enforcing them. 100% consistency is impossible, which is why we also appreciate people tipping us off to infractions.

                  Dave, this is not ‘Nam, this is baseball blogging. There are rules.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Man, this escalated quickly, didn’t it? I mean, this really got out of hand…

                • usty

                  It jumped up a notch. Dave killed a guy.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                “They’re pretty consistent.”

                Joe Morgan loves us.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I dont understand that the rule about replying to the comment and the rule about only posting to specific threads seem to make one of them unnecessary.

              I don’t understand the rules of the Congressional conference committee where two separate versions of a stimulus bill passed by the House and the Senate can result in a finalized stimulus bill of $789B when the House version was $819B and the Senate version was $832B…

              … but you know what? THOSE ARE THE F#$%KING RULES. If you have a suggestion as to a better, more effective way of organizing the commentary at RAB, I suggest you email it to Mike, Ben, and Joe. In the meantime, all of us are telling you that your behavior is annoying, so cut it out already.

              You didn’t invent this wheel, Dave.

              • barry

                you are a tool let them handle it

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Yeah. Between me an my useful and topical explanation, and you with your “you are a tool” masterpiece of rhetorical prose, I’m the tool. Sure.

    • barry

      I say, gather the mob and the noose.

  • Dave

    KBD,

    But my second point after I said that the source was wrong and has no right to be protected, was that i DONT quite see where the motivation is for the source to put themselves in harms way to help advance selena’s career. The worst thing that happens to this source as a result of revealing sealed information is that they go to jail and the best thing that happens to them as a result of this is that no one ever knows they had any involvement in this matter whatsoever. Where is the upside of them revealing this and breaking the law in the process? Thus, selena must have provided them with some sort of compensation at the very least in exchange for this. And that means she could be charged with bribing a government agent for sealed government documentation. I mean she clearly wanted this story and it is almost impossible to think that she just stumbled on this stuff so then, the question becomes how did she get the source to give up the information?

    Could she really have done that without doing something illegal herself in the process? I cant really see it but I guess it could have happened. Point is, this whole thing is NOT even close to being clean, good ‘ol fashion journalism. I think it was illegal and dirty and it reeks bad enough that there should be an investgation into the matter started off by forcing selena to come to court and reveal her sources. Why should arod not get a free pass by being granted anonymity but the sources get a free pass for being granted anonymity while committing a federal offense.

    • K.B.D.

      You know nothing of the source whatsoever to make such a judgment. You go “Thus, selena must have provided them with some sort of compensation…” Who the hell knows what the person providing Selena with information is motivated by?

      Lots of people divulge secrets to make themselves feel important. And if you really wanted to get into it, if they were committing this crime, it’s best for them NOT to take a bribe as that is a far worse offense than simply leaking information.

      • Dave

        KBD,

        I am not a judge handing down an opinion right now. I am thinking of why people should be a little interested in calling for an investigation. I am not trying to write things down passing them off as facts – i prefaced these scenarios by saying that they were. I never pretended to know what actually happened. But its pretty clear that a crime may have been committed and the violation of a federal judges court order almost certainly occurred. HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY DENY THAT??

        How will that course ever feel important? He will gain no recognition unless he goes to prison for this. The only person that stands to gain from this report is selena and SI.

        Leaking information is not the concern here – it is violating a federal court-order to seal anonymous documents. I may be jumping to conclusions but you are being very naive if you think nothing illegal happened in this investigation.

        • TheLastClown

          Final tidbit for you Dave. Scooter Libby leaked information on a much higher level, with much farther-reaching consequences. Peoples lives, intelligence security, etc. were on the line.

          Long story short, he got off with probation & fines.

          • Dave

            So because they did it and got away with it, everybody should. Two wrongs doesnt make a right. People break the law – they should be punished for it whether they are doing it for a story in a newspaper or not.

          • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

            Scooter Libby leaked information on a much higher level, with much farther-reaching consequences. Peoples lives, intelligence security, etc. were on the line.
            Long story short, he got off with probation & fines.
            =================
            No, that is wrong.
            He was not the one that leaked the information on a woman that was under cover (she wasn’t undercover at all) and it wasn’t against the law. The asst. Sec. of State (i think that was his job) admitted to outing her, before the investigation was a day old.
            Libby got caught up in the D.C.,—got ya! He was convicted of making a wrongful statement to the grand jury…see, Bill Clinton.

            • http://ranger2709.blogspot.com Old Ranger

              Sorry, not the place for politics!

              • TheLastClown

                Seriously! It was an admittedly poor analogy.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Dave, for the billionth time, use the Reply button. It used to be small, now it’s friggin huge and dark blue. There is no excuse for not clicking on the damn button.

      Your frequent off-topic commenting is annoying enough; don’t compound the annoyance by refusing the most basic of civilities.

      • Mike Pop

        I have to agree. People ask him to use it all the time but I think he neglects to use it on purpose.

        • Dave

          I dont know what you guys are talking about. I have been using it. I posted on this site like 10 times and I forgot to push it once. I am not used to it because this is the only site I know that has it but I try to remember to push it. i REALLY dont know why it is a huge deal but I will respect the rules of the blog when i can/

          • Mike Pop
          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Thank you.

            And for the record, no, you haven’t forgotten to push it “once”. You do this daily. I appreciate your intention to stop.

            • Dave

              I meant once today – and i think it was twice after my original comment. i will pay more attention to it.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Thank you.

      • Jack

        Tommie – I made a new one.

        http://i435.photobucket.com/al.....tton-1.jpg

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Thank you, sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

          • steve (different one)

            i was calling you “phony” like how “bad” used to mean bad, but now it means good.

            like, that guy is sooo phony.

            • Jack

              I enjoyed this thoroughly.

            • steve

              that michael jordan … hes such a phony.

              WHY’D YOU TELL HIM !

  • pat

    JOBA2JESUS AJ2AUSTIN JOBA2JESUS AJ2AUSTIN TOMORROW TOMORROW YAAAAAAYYY

  • Jack

    “Although he currently mans center field, DeLeon will have to slide over to a corner as his 6?2?, 180 lb frame fills out. ”

    DeLeon did not play one game in CF last year.

    • A.D.

      Well that transition has already begun

  • K.B.D.

    Who was that Latin prospect the Yankees talked about bringing stateside mid-year? He had a weird name.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Arodys Vizcaino?

      • Mike Pop

        Yulieski Gourriel? Pay Arod 260 million and tell him to leave NY. He is too much of a distraction. Bring Yulieski in.

        • UWS

          Bill Madden, is that you?

      • steve (different one)

        Arodys

        this dude is screwed already.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          There’s no “I” in Arodys, though… he’s good.

          • UWS

            There’s a “Y” and an “O”, though. Which add up to “yo”, which means “I” in Spanish.

            Yep, he’s screwed.

            • kSturnz

              o en la orden crono’logica misma, “oy” exige el doler o graba para atencio’n

          • Tom Zig

            yeah but his last name is Vizcaino, and the last Vizcaino we had on the Yankees had a nice blow up in the playoffs.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Yeah, but the one before that (Jose Vizcaino) was on the 2000 title team, thus making him a “True Yankee” into perpituity.

              Jose Vizcaino’s awesomeness totally outweighs Luis Vizcaino’s suckitude and ARod’s sexual perversions.

              • Tom Zig

                Touché. He also has more RBIs in the World Series than A-rod.

  • LC

    Great post! Turley sounds like a beast. I thought Higgy might have been in the Top 30.

    Is there going to be a live chat today? Also, when does the real top 30 come out?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Tomorrow, around noon. Not sure on the exact time.

  • kSturnz

    i don’t have teh book, but i’d bet that Deleon made ba’s top31, probably midteens, too.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      DeLeon was #27 in BA’s Handbook.

      • Jack

        Dude, spoiler alert.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Did I say 27? I meant 14. Or 19. Or 6. Or 72.

          There. Now you don’t know where he is.

        • Mike Pop

          Jack if I gave you some money out of my wallet, would that help ease the pain?

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  • pete

    this is why I love river ave blues. While peteabe is still talking about a-rod, we get to get excited about prospects (admittedly more than we probably should) that pete’s probably never even bothered to read up on. I presonally have a feeling that Jesus will end up in RF, but it looks like we may have another reasonable in-house alternative for the future. Sweet.

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  • Conan the Barack O’Brian

    excellent writeup.
    o’brien was a 9th rounder though, just to say.

  • hw

    haha nik turley at 6’7″. i played with him and he’s no taller than 6’4″.

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